mill, cheese and butter in the world. if you wanted to explore wisconsin, you would go straight to the wtf. wtf. this was a personally harmless acronym, and now wtf, omg, rotflmao. caving in to overwhelming cybersnark, the tourism conversation will be now known as the tourism federation of wisconsin. we didn't want it to distrakt from our mission. what about the william town theatre festival or the wild turkey federation. should these and countless other organizations have to jump through hoops just because some wise acre on a block think they mean something dirty? serio

seriously, wtf? >> will you do the wild turkey sound for me? >> i will, just for you. [ turkey calling ] >> we've known each other for a long time. i don't take any anti-prozacs or anti-depressants in lashlg part because i know i can call you up at anytime and you can make that news for me. "countdown" with keith olbermann starts right now. which of these stories will

you be talking about tomorrow? 122 more americans died today because they don't have health insurance. on the way to 44,000 more americans dying this year because they don't have health insurance. and democratic congressman alan grayson gets criticized for saying this. >> remember, the republican plan, don't get sick, and if you do get sick, die quickly. >> asked for an apology, grayson says stick it. >> i apologize to them and their families that we haven't voted sooner to end this holocaust in america. >> otherwise he is 100% correct, the republican plan is don't get sick. and republicans and milquetoast democrats in the pockets of the insurance agencies might as well be killing people right now. ariana huffington on the latest politics. and senator jay rockefeller reveals exclusively on

you'll never believe who threw the birthers and the lonesome roads back under the bus. >> i want to talk to you about copenhagen. warning, this product may be cancerous. may can cancerous. see, he was pulling up a tin of koegen haguen snuff and obama went to the city of copen hag again so that was intellectual. beck is a sin nick a nation made great by believers. so says lindsey graham. >> only in america can you make that much money crying. >> that's czar lindsey graham to you.

good evening from new york. the senate finance committee, fop lated with the majority not only crafted the bills of the insurance mon nollys but added that touch of medieval punishment, so familiar to the customers of the insurance monopolies. debating not only making health insurance by threat of fine, but by criminal penalties. buy their health insurance or go to jail, courtesy max baucus. to parody my grandma, i suppose i have no choice but to shove the umbrella up my backside but you're going to have a fight on your hands when you try to open it. states can form their own public options but it will be limited to people with incomes of 133% and 200% of the federal poverty level who do not get insurance at work.

speaker pelosi says a federal plan will be sent to the floor. and boehner proved he knows next to nothing about anything. >> i'm still trying the first american to talk to who's in favor of the public option, other than a member of congress or the administration. i have not talked to one. i get to a lot of places. i have not had anyone come up to me and lobby for the public option. this is about as unpopular as a garlic milk shake. >> mr. boehner needs to get out

of the tanning salon more often. a recent pole shows that voters in his own state, that's ohio, sir, in case you've forgotten. buying from a public plan or private health insurers, that's what's called an option? 73% of those surveyed considered the choice important. a member of congress walked in and was generally walked back into a positions office. we're not there to put on band-aids. we were there to make sure everything possible could be done to preserve that member of congress. that staff position of what is called the office of the attend physici physician. the hospital on site at the capitol including x-rays, lab

work, nurses, pharmacy as well as access brought to the capitol. lots to talk about howard fineman, senior correspondent from "newsweek" magazine. good evening. >> hi, keith. >> so any americans who might end up in jail because they didn't buy private insurance under the baucus bill if it becomes law? would they then get public health care in jail. does that make them the only americans under this plan who get free pibl health care or subsidized health sdmier. >> yes, and they would get all the garlic milk shakes they could drink. the thing about what's -- the care that they get on the hill, it's interesting. it's the result of competition. it's the result of choice, which is the key word in that -- in those polls you were just showing. >> i don't suppose it needed pointing out that this idea that

you could make it -- instead of just making it a fine, you make it actual jail time, even nominal jail time that that has been lobbied for by the health care industry in this whole process, correct? >> well, yes. and keith, the amazing thing here is that if this goes according to the baucus plan as it now stands, the federal government will require and force the health insurance companies to get tens of millions of new customers, and the pharmaceutical companies to get a lot more business, in exchange for some federal regulation, let's say that, because there technically isn't any right now. but not the one thing that they fear, which is competition. it won't be required, really by restructuring the way markets in many regions work where there's little private competition and it won't require the public plan, the public option, which would be the other main way to

force competition, so the way things are going right now, the industry gets just about everything it wants with minimal pain. >> how does any lawmaker in his right mind believe they get any kind of public support for a pro-situation that puts people in jail for not buying slightly regulated and still not financially regulated in terms of what you're getting back? how are you going to sell this and how is there going to be a signing ceremony. doesn't the president of the united states have to write it down and run to avoid the citizens who have voted for him. >> well, i talked to a couple of members this evening about this. they were shaking their heads. unless it's a mack kevian plot to raise the birthers and the tea baggers, because it plays right into the argument and it's

resonated some out into the country, into the argument of people who are saying this is a massive government plot to take over your whole life. i mean, if you were going to try to feed that paranoia among people who oppose this, there's no better way to do it than this. it's crazy. >> who brought this up? who was the idiot who brought this up? >> i wish i knew the answer, and i -- i'll put it on the internet as soon as i figure it out. >> we know the state public option idea is from senator cantwell of washington state. is it window dressing? it seems qualified and caveated to death. >> well, i think qualified to death is what a public option is going to be in the end. i think there will be some whiff of public option, soeasoning of public option. in the final legislation if it's going to pass. whatever comes out of conference won't pass the housing of

representatives on final passage unless there's some not in the direction of a public option, and the cantwell proposal is one of the first ever to try to get to that. it will be some murky language like that, other wise they won't pass anything. >> it's beginning to look like a viable option. our own howard fineman of "newsweek" magazine. if this happens i will lead the t.e.a. baggers. and the latest of what is in the health care bill is amusing if it was not so insidious. michelle bacmann ugh ndurs both facts and logic to back it up. she focused on a health care bill that provided for school-based health clinics. a key element in fear mongering is effective name calling. >> these have been more accurately called school sex clinic ps. >> by her. >> she routinely referred to

them as sex clinics. now to the rest of her spiel. >> the bill orders that the clinics protect patient privacy and student records. what does that mean? it means parents will never know what kind of council and treatment their children are receiving. and as a matter of fact, the bill goes on to say what's going to go on. comprehensive primary health services. physicals, treatment of minor, acute, chronic, medical conditions, referrals to follow up for specialty care. is that abortion? does that mean someone's 13-year-old daughter could walk into a sex clinic, have a pregnancy test done, be taken away to the local planned parenthood abortion clinic, have their abortion, be back and go home on the school bus that night and mom and dad are never the wiser. they don't know the difference. >> in the very sup section of the very bill in which bachman speaks there's this.

sex clinics, often known as health clinics, obtain parental or guardian consent, and two, patient privacy and bachmann focused on the patient privacy. >> good evening of life counseling, which you can bill your doctor for if he joins you and your relatives became death panels. and school-based health clinics with mandatory parental information becomes sex clinics? >> according to michelle's definition, the house clinic that you were talking about earlier would be the congressional sex clinic where she and other female members of congress can g and get abortion and be home with dinner, no one knowing the difference. she imagined what it would be

like for children to go get abortions and go home on the school bus and don't know it. >> why are democrais she bother democrats in the senate doing so much for her? somewhere in the mark-up from the gang of six. that could be any one of those turkeys. >> in '9, i was working for senator moynihan moving the health care bill in the finance committee, at the last minute, he came up with a strategic notion that he shared only with me, why don't we put a death penalty, then we'll get republican votes. that won't see the loigt of day. >> death penalty won't see the light of day or jail time? i don't know anymore. >> jail time. the individual mandate was it was raised by republican john

chaffey in 1994, condemned as the worst possible thing we can do. then hillary rodham clinton was in favor of an individual mandate. this individual mandate has traveled a long road from republicanism now over to the democratic party it has horrible enforcement implications. it's on your tax return. it's enforced through the tax code, so if you don't pay it, you are up for tax evasion here, which does theoretically, not in cases like this, carry a jail term. so the individual mandate carries a lot of serious problems in enforcement terms with it. >> so if the democrats have moved into that end of the twilight zone, we have that in the hatch business to pass an abortion amendment yesterday. onerous, unnecessary, but it does sort of signal their hand for the next round of this. they're going to wind up repealing the idea of insurance to begin with. now we're going to pay the

insurance companies money? >> they're definitely going to come back on abortion. that's not over. it was a particular pleasure for me. when i was in the finance committee, there were no women on the committee. to see olympia snowe adding their votes against this hatch amendment, which was unnecessary, they're going to come on taxes, keith. that's the next level. the truth is, there are a lot of taxes in this bill. new taxes that no one has ever seen before and were not part of the obama presidential campaign about how to pay for this. taxes is the weak spot. as long as michelle obama is out there giving video like that, the tax argument isn't being heard. so michelle bachmann is helping by drowning out the tax argument going on in the senate finance committee right now. >> we've had a canceled october recess so there's no second round of town halls with democratic congressmen and senators present. it's left with throwing as many wrenches into the work as possible. what is the most they can get

within the framework of not having the wild-eyed protestors out there? >> the most they can get is killing the bill completely. they did it before. when i look at boehner, i have to say boy, i wish we had been up against him in 1994. we were up against newt gingrich and bob dole. these were sharp players who knew exactly what the policies were. they came at us with the policies in the bill. this time around, these people are lost, between boehner and michelle bachmann he doesn't know what to say. he has that fake tan because if he didn't you would be able to see right through him to the board behind him. buy this insurance policy or go to jail. this is the end game of what we gan as single payer and public option. but tonight, there's a glimmer of hope. bipartisan support for a public

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the argument is the government is unincapable of running an insurance plan, that socialized insurance would have unfair advantages. but as pulitzer prize winning journalist david k. johnston recently reported, these arguments do not stop some of the biggest opponents from voting for socialized insurance. when that insurance is not for the well being of people, but of property. >> it's clear, the american people want health care reform,

but they want their elected leaders to get it right. most americans wanted to hear the president tell speaker pelosi, majority speaker reid and congress that it's time to start over on a common sense bipartisan plan, lowering the cost of health care while improving quality. that's what i've heard in talking to thousands of my constituents. replacing your family's current health care with government-run health care is not the answer. >> some blue doghouse democrats also opposed a public option. republicans were joined bay handful of democrats incluing the committee chair max baucus who crafted the bill after conferring for weeks with the so-called gang of six. republicans chuck grassley, mike enzi and olympia snowe. each of them voted just last

year in up support of government run insurance. that insurance, however, protects property. it is the national flood insurance prom. the free market decided it could not make money on that unpredictable risk called flooding. it is backed by the government and the government assumes all ri risk. government flood insurance gets a subsidy, also known as a handout from the government. it is mandatory to some people. so give it all to chute shouting over a public option, who could vote for an anti-free market socialized flood insurance run by government bureaucrats. every single politician i just named. and most of congress. charles boustany and other republicans voted aye on the flood insurance reform and

modernization act. carl marx applauded. they voted yay on the same act to restore the solvency of the national flood insurance program but also to expand socialized insurance to other property damage to make available multiperil coverage from damage resulting from wind storms, floods and other purposeses. in the senate where the public option is less popular than the house, 92 senators voted to expand socialized property insurance. north carolina, mississippi, wisconsin, florida, illinois, missouri, indiana, iowa, louisiana and the top socialized property insurance welfare state in the nation, the people's republic of texas. people's republic? where 6682,000 property owners have their handout for socialized property insurance. more than 36,000 scooping up $1.5 billion in claims last year

alone. it's not that some politicians don't care about the health of all americans as much as they care about the wealth of those meshes who can afford waterfront property. and perhaps a less callous explanation -- greed. can't with principle because mandatory socialized subsidized property insurance is even more socialist than public health insurance. you can get insurance even if you've already flooded, even if you've chose b to live in a high-risk area. even if you know there's a big rainfall or hurricane coming. but what really matters to congress is that insurance companies oppose the public option but they love mandatory socialized government-run property insurance. according to the new york times, americans pay about $2.3 billion in flood premiums every year. insurance companies get $1 billion out of that, almost half of it just for selling their policies. without a single dollar at risk. private insurance companies make $ 27 million a year above their

expenses. so thanks to the politicians who oppose the public option for people, we already have a plan for the help of the insurance companies. sarah palin's book is number one. the bad news is she may have to do some unscripted news with some of those newspapers she reads. you know, katie, all of them. as washington continues the debate

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general liso francisco was named head of state in spain. he would rule as dictator until 1975 and until then he's been still dead. let's play "odd ball." we begin in berlin. artists from around the world made simulated section of the wall that once split soviet berlin from western berlin. as this trial run demonstrates, the giant dominos will be set up in the true spirit of tutonic whimsy in a perfectly engineered straight line. don't get too close to that, mr. photographer. yikes.

when the every region is -- every religion is silly except your own category comes this story of a yearly ritual hindus observe in southern india, during the festival, the temple priest tells women who have thought bad thoughts that they must be freed from the evil by getting whips. men don't get whipped. once it all over, the women can rest easy knowing nothing bad will happen to them, like, say, getting whipped. morning news anchors, whose names i won't mention, the sights and sounds of hard core animal pornography today, one of them actually beckons for a handler to bring two pooches on stage and into america's living rooms. >> let's go back this way. let's walk back this way. okay. that's a whole other show. >> that's today on nbc.

>> after which the temple priest came to town and whipped all of them. health care organizations are buying sarah palin's book in volume. senator lindsay graham calls birthers crazy. these stories ahead. number three, best renaming. that would be the wisconsin tourism lobbying coalition. after 30 years has operated under the same name and acronym, but just changed it. the new name tourism federation of wisconsin. the old nay, wisconsin tourism federation, wtf. date line washington. former bush speech writer, another gem from his former colleague matt latimer's new book, when ted kennedy was diagnosed with a brain tumor, i

suggested that the president might at least consider awarding him with the presidential medal of freedom. marc objected with the genteel diplomacy. that's crazy, he thundered. kennedy was a liberal. you couldn't sneak anything past those bushies. and second, what a nice job of reaching across the aisle. newt gingrich has now retracted two of his newt gingrich business defense and advisory council entrepreneur awards, the lodge of dallas, joining pink visual of california in learning it was all a mistake. the lodge turns out not to be a printing company in virginia, but a strip joint in dallas and pink visual turns out to be a porn dvd superstore in california and not a -- well, we don't know what pink visual might have been. maybe he thought his film wife switch volume 7 was, i don't know, a documentary about the speaker and his previous marriages.

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47 more days until sarah palin's 400 page word salad hits bookstores, but "going rogue" has already gone to the top of the best seller list. and while the unemployed alaska blogger proves she can finish something, the problem now is her co--author whose targets including the separation of church and state and whose faults have included separating what she writes from reality. 6 meet palin's co-author lynne vincent. the body of work is the william boykin who said his god was bigger than a muslim terrorist's god. comments from which even president bush distanced himself. and in a book called donkey kong which describes the democratic party as the party of treasure

on. president obama as a minority survivor of the black genocide, that is abortion. meanwhile the palin memoir is currently number one on the barnes & noble website as well as amazon, but not all booed enthusiasts are preordering. >> the part of the book i'm looking forward to least is some of the disagreements that took place within the campaign. >> wow. the senator has company. the owner of anchorage bookstore remarking that not a single customer has asked about it. i don't know what that means, maybe we're all going rogue, going all mavericky. richard, good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> what does palin's selection of the co-author, lynn vincent suggest what kind of book this is or will be, just in case she

hasn't finished it yet. >> you have to have a mind meld with your co-author and sarah palin has done something extraordinary again which is to find somebody just as irrational as she is. that's fine if you're selling books to the base, much tougher if you're trying to reach out to some independent votes or someone who may have voted progangster at some time in her life. but more than that, how does lynne vincent marry up with the writing style of sarah palin, the great writer from the tweeterland up north who said no rain, no rainbow. >> the mccain point we heard there about what part of the book he is anticipating will be his least favorite, how far do we expect palin to really throw him under the bus to sell this book and to sell herself for

2012 and is that -- is there a way of overdoing that where it winds up rebounding against her? >> well, i was talking to some, we'll call them campaign operatives, veterans from the republican side who are fully expecting this to be all about the score settling, at least the headlines coming out of the book to be about the score settling, about how there's all those evil mccain handlers who stopped palin from showing her true genius, the great american voter and unleashing her even more than she was on the national press. so, you know, that's going to be a lot of headlines and it's not the best way to go at recruiting staff if she does indeed have that kind of ambition. it's also not the kind of

politics and political leadership that voters respond to. >> this may be the biggest question of all, do we expect a book tour? and if there's a book tour, wouldn't she have to agree to a couple of interviews in order to promote that book. >> there is a danger. the real risk of a book tour having done them myself is that they're grueling, exhausting and sarah palin may find the best way she can do a book tour and support the troops is to stay home. >> both amazon and harpercollins say they do not know who's preordering the book. we have seen this on -- right wing groups are buying it and are offering it for free, in part to put her and keep her at the top of the best seller list? >> let's put the "new york times" list to one side. but i'm going to reveal a little secret here, but those amazon lists especially are easily manipulatable, and that's not my statement being some twisted book author, there's a respected economist who works out of the white house by the name of austin goolsby who wrote an economic paper who found out that there was no feasible al gore rhythm about how these books are counted. we'll have to wait until the actual publishers have done their tally.

>> is there a chance that this is the fabled new career, or has that not yet been revealed to all of us? >> all will be revealed in a tweet and then she'll collect them all up and she'll put that in a book too. >> richard wolfe, author of "renegade" and also senior strategist at public strategies. great, thanks, richard. >> thank you, keith. what do you mean a republican senator doesn't like glenn beck when he has the intellectual capacity to equate the president's stop over in copenhagen to copenhagen stuff. why couldn't i be smart enough to do that? and if you're honoring hispanic heritage month, don't you have to mention supreme court justice sonya sotomayor. and when rachel joins us at the top of the hour, senator cronies had to get him a job while he was having an affair with mrs. doug hampton.

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howard fineman's sources now report to us that the senator that proposed the jail time if you do not buy the new crapola mandatory insurance is part of the max baucus committee. first the worst. the republicans celebrate hispanic heritage month by not mentioning sonia sotomayor. you're watching "countdown" on msnbc.

glenn beck is a cynic in the nation of believers. first, the number two story, a fun house view of the mirror in the world. oba obama's safe school czar is a guy promoting homosexuality in the schools and a 15-year-old kid to have a homosexual relationship with an older man, and even facilitated it. the adviser is named kevin jennings. he wrote while he was a high school counselor he met a male student who had a relationship with an older man who was 16. past the legal age so he didn't

call the scotts. as to limbaugh's fascination with that topic, i refer you to the limbaugh comedy are you teen by the late bill hicks. a terrorist thought he was giving money to buy night goggles for a terrorist training camp. he was arrested in february 2007, but oddly the bush administration did not make a big deal about it. possibly because he also had transferred $15,000 to the national republican congressional committee and $20,000 to the national republican sen toll carry committee. that's one of the inner circle members for life. and our winner, michael steele, chairman of the national republican committee in the tone deaf way that's made him the idol of every democrat. the rnc released a video called

a nation of firsts. however, they left out sonia sotomayor and labor leader cesar chavez and mel martinez who's on the outs with the party at the moment. and instead of writing a press release in spanish, steele's guy simply tried to translate the n english one into spanish this led to 25 errors in five sentences. michael steele chair of the rnc [ speaking spanish ]

to date more than 60 companies have stopped advertising on glenn beck's news program because of his claim that the president is racist, with a deep seeded hatred for white people or white culture. republican senator lindsay graham criticized beck's role and has become the first prominent gop member to repud yam hit repudiate him as a member of the republican party. south carolina senior senator took on several right wing fling issues on racism. he said he disagreed with president carter, but said, quote, there's people who are having a hard time reconciling the fact that we have a black president. he decried what he called a lack of civility pervading our media. when he turned to old lonesome, the senator pulled no punches. >> what do you think of glenn

beck? >> only in america can you make that much money crying. glenn beck is not aligned with any party, as far as i can tell. he's aligned with cynicism. and there's always been a market for cynicism, but we became a great nation, not because we're a nation of cynics, we became a great nation because we're a nation of believers, that on the other side of the mountain is worth going to look at. >> cynicism was on full display yesterday with beck and his ongoing effort to -- decided to use a can of snuff to bring the point home. >> i want to talk to you tonight about copenhagen, two different kind of copenhagens, remember this, copenhagen, this is the first one. i'll tell you about that at the every end. >> tell me now. the second copenhagen is in denmark, the site of tomorrow's international olympic committee's vote to host the

2016 game. the president hopes to land there and bring the olympics back to chicago and then back. and glenn beck's chalk board knows better, the president only wants to bring the olympics to chicago so he can make his friends rich, his friends who love communists, cop killers, slum lords and probably tobacco, what about the tobacco, won't somebody think about the tobacco? >> know why the can of snuff, i told you i was going to talk about this in the very beginning. copenhagen, some people puts this between their cheek and their grum, it gives you a good jolt, but the main thing you should knowings is about the little label here on the side, warning, this product may be cancerous. may be cancerous. >> clear and compelling argument if i ever i heard one. i'm joined by craig crawford, columnist with cqpolitics.com,

msnbc political analyst and now author with helen thomas with the just-released "listen up, mr. president -- everything you always wanted your president to know and do." just one volume? >> maybe there will be a sequel. >> listen, do you know what the analogy was there? is it obama is a cancer? is it that he's a snuff film? was he born in denmark? or do you have prince albert in a can? what was going on there? >> i haven't got a clue, keith, and i'm glad i don't, because if i understood that, i would really be worried. i don't know about this word snuff, you can't accuse him of inciting assassination attempts, but you got to wonder what goes through your mind using a word like that in the context of talking about the president. the terrible explanation is that he's a nut. but if he was a real nut, most squirrels wouldn't go near him. the lindsay graham criticism, is that he might be the first guy

in the gop to go, i don't want anything to do with this. he's not in my heart, you take him s that a rogue position , to borrow somebody else's phrase? >> it's a little push and pull, but they also get a lot out of glenn beck, in that he turns out voters to the polls, particularly in low voter turnout environments like a midterm election comes next year. so i think republicans would love to have it both ways, keep their distance from some of the craziness, but reap the benefits of those voters in terms of the conservatives that he turns out at the polls. >> is it possible -- john mccain would have been worst than obama since mccain and graham are so tight? >> that's a possibility. knowing lindsay graham a little bit. he's actually a very reasonable guy and i think he was speaking

from the heart there, i think there are a lot of republicans, i certainly talked to some, who are very concerned about, you know, the limbaugh, to the glenn becks and becomes the face of their party. but at the same time, like i say, they don't remind the voters to turn out. >> the larger part of the criticism is that the republican party is the point of view. somebody like me is that it's set by media figures in four ratings, not progress for the nation, but really progress for their own side. is there anything blowing back against that, is there any impetus for change in that party. >> if they got out there with some new faces that are more reasonable maybe, but the problem for republicans is that they're addicted to one's actually a shrinking universe of