relationship was the chicago politics aside and daly and obama aside, these guys are not particularly close, there is not any great reservoir of gratitude on the part of obama toward the mayor. >> there was a big dinner tonight, and i asked the simple question, did the mayor call the president and an e-mail from copenhagen just before this guy was going to bed was that yes, the mayor called personally to make the case. >> i like the mayor of chicago, is it possible we can get the olympic bid, we can win it? can we win it by tomorrow night? can we? is it worth a try? >> we came from way back, rio and madrid were clearly the front-runners and now it's exceedingly close, it's a wacky voting system. key to this is two thing. and the african block, what will they do, because they're basically the independent voters

in this, they don't have any real skin in the game, they don't have a candidate, and where will the losers on the first round go? >> i think we are going to get it? >> i think we are going to get it. >> obama's thinking is if we don't go we won't get it. >> i think they're something wrong with rio, they know it, and they're going to exploit it. join us tomorrow at 5:00 and 7:00 eastern on "hardball" and catch me tonight on jay leno show on nbc. "countdown" is keith olbermann starts right now. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow, mad max and the baucus caucus, prepare their final stages of their betrayal, the finance committee will finish debate intimately but not vote until next week to give republicans time to study the bill. that should give them all free

trips to time shares, too. the truth of democratic sellouts to the health care industries is not enough for michele bachmann, she is back to telling the guys god told her to tell. >> now the federal government is going the final step and they're saying, let's put sex clinics in our schools, can you believe this? >> well, you said it, of course i can't believe it. republicans for the public option, including dr. charles who gave the public option for flood insurance, socialism that helps people, bad, socialism that helps property, good. sarah palin has a winner at bookstores, one problem, her co-author, her last project is defending his god which is better than a muslim's god and she called the democrats the party of treason and subversion.

newt gingrich real eyes he gave an award to a strip club and a california porn mega store. and you'll never believe who just drew the birthers and loathsome rules. >> warning this product. may be cancerous. may be cancerous. >> see, he was holding up on ten of copenhagen's snuff and went to the city of copenhagen, so that comparison was intellectual. the birthers are crazy. and he is a cynic. and a nation made great by believers, so says republican senator lindsay graham. >> only in america can you make that much money crying. >> that's czar lindsay graham to you. all that and more on "countdown." >> when will it end?

the finance committee shared by democrats, populated with a majority consisting of democrats has not only crafted a bill that carefully improves the conditions of the insurance monopolies, but a little touch of medieval punishment. so familiar to the customers of the insurance monopolies. in our fifth story, the financial committee debating not merely making buying insurance under threat of a fine, but making it manner to under threat of criminal penalties. go to jail. courtesy max baucus, to paraphrase my grandmother, i'm not going to let you -- but you're going to have a fight on your hands when you try to open the umbrella. the senate finance committee, passes a token that would enable states to form their own public options but it would be limited to people between 133% of the federal poverty level who do not get insurance at work.

chairman baucus claiming to have the vote out of committee when it come to a vote sometime next week. senator majority leader reid decided to include a real public option in the final legislation, saying tonight he favors a public option, that he's going to do his best to add a public option, but to remember a public option is a relative term. as is the phrase, chance of re-election. speaker pelosi says a public option will be in the final bill that goes to the senate. boehner says he knows nothing about anything. >> i'm still trying to find the first american to talk to who's in favor of the public option, other than a member of congress or the administration. i have not talked to one. and i get to a lot of places. and i have not had anyone come up to me, i know i'm inviting it. but i haven't had anyone come to me and lobby for the public option. this is about as unpopular as a garlic milk shake. >> mr. boehner needs to get out

of the tanning salon more often. a recent poll of the quinnipiac association miss the own state, that's ohio, support it for a government-run plan or private insurers. that's what is called an option. when people were asked how important it was to give people a choice between a public plan and a private plan, 73% of those surveyed considered that choice important. and there's this postscript, quote, a member of congress walked in and was generally walked right back into a physician's office. we're not there to put on band aids. we're there to make sure everything possible can be done to preserve that member of the congress. that from a former staff physician. it is called the office of attending physician, to nbc news, those who continue to -- threaten the reform have high-tech low cost modern community hospital on site at the capitol, examinations including x-rays and lab work, physical therapists, nurses and a pharmacy, as well as access to the best specialists in the

country who are brought to the capitol and the cost to the senators and congressmen is $502. not that any who got paid were turn away. hour fineman from news week magazine. howard, good evening. >> hi, keith. >> so any americans who might end up in jail because they didn't buy private insurance under the baucus bill should it become law, i suppose they would then get public health care in jail, does that make them the only americans under this plan who get free public health care or even subsidized public health care? >> and they would get all the garlic milk shakes they could drink. the thing about the care that they get on the hill, it's interesting, it's the result of competition, it's the result of choice, which is the keyword in those polls you were just showing. >> i don't suppose it needs pointing out that you won't just

get a fine, you will get jail time, even nominal jail time that has been lobbied for by the health care industry, correct? >> keith, the amazing thing here is that if this goes according to the baucus plan, as it now stands, the federal government will require and force the health insurance companies to get tens of millions of new customers, and the pharmaceutical companies to get a lot more business, in exchange for some federal regulation, let's say that, because there technically isn't any right now. but not the one thing that they fear which is competition. it won't be required really by restructuring the way markets in many cities and regions work where there's very little private competition and it won't require the public plan, the public option which would be the other main way to force

competition. so the way things are going right now, the industry gets just about everything it wants with minimal pain, that's basically what the baucus plan is. >> but one aspect to this, howard, how does any lawmaker believe that they would get any kind of public support for a provision that puts people in jail for not buying slightly regulated and even financially regulated -- how are you going to sell this and how is there going to be a signing ceremony? isn't it just going to be -- wouldn't the president of the united states basically have to write it down and then run to avoid citizens who had voted for him? >> well, i talked to a couple of members this evening about this, and they were shaking their heads, because unless it's a plot to further raise the visibility of the birthers and the tea baggers because it plays right into the argument and it's resonated some out into thereto

country, into the argument of people who are saying that this is a massive government plot to take over your whole life. if you were going to try to feed that paranoia among people who oppose this, there's no better way to do it than this, it's crazy. >> who was the idiot who brought this up, do you know. >> i wish i knew the answer, and i'll put it on the internet as soon as i figure it out. >> send me an e-mail. the cantwell, is there window dressing, it seems awfully qualified and caveated to death. >> qualified and caveated to death is what a public option is going to be in the end. i think there'll be some whiff of public option, some seasoning of public option, a garlic smell of public option in the final legislation if it's going to pass because whatever comes out of conference, if it comes out of conference, won't pass the house of representatives in the

final passage and the cantwell proposal will try to get to that. it will be some murky language like that otherwise they won't pass anything. >> our own howard fineman, and if this passes i will leave the tea baggers. great thanks. the latest big lie from the gop regarding what is in the rest of that health care bill would be amusing if not so insidious, and to ignore both facts and logic to back it up. speaking from the house floor last night she spoke on one of the house bills is health care clinics. remember a key element in fear mongering is effective name calling. >> these have been more accurately called school sex clinics. >> by her. after that sleight of hand,

she refer to the clinics as sex clinics. >> protect student privacy, what does that mean? it means that parents will never know what kind of counsel and treatment that their children are receiving, and as a matter of fact, the bill goes on to say what's going to go on, comprehensive primary health services, physicals, treatment of minor, accuse chronic med conditions. does that mean that someone's 13-year-old daughter could walk into a sex clinic, have a pregnancy test done, be taken away to the local planned parenthood clinic. have her abortion and come back to the school and go home on the bus that night and the parents are none the wiser. >> very subsection of the bill which she speaks there is this. >> school based health clinics also known as health clinics

will be provided in accordance with federal state and local law governing one obtaining parental or guardian consent. baucus plans to focus on the patient privacy language while ignoring the mandate language. let's turn to the former choef of staff "huffington post" contributor. lawrence o'donnell. school based health clinics with mandatory parental information. >> according to michelle's definition, the house clinic that you were talking about earlier would be the congressional sex clinic where she and other female members of congress can go and get abortions in the afternoon, and then as she put it, be home for dinner with no one ng the difference. she went on imagining what it would be lake for these kids to

come home from school with an abortion and the parents don't know it. so she is off the deep end once again. >> why is she boston wherg they are doing such a good job for her as we discussed? the nearest we've been able to narrow it down, who brought up the idea of putting people in jail for not buying this worst health care plan we have currently, is that it came in the mark-up from the gang of six. so it could be any one of those turkeys. >> when i was working for senator moynihan in the finance committee, at the last minute he came up with a strategic motion that he shared only with me, why don't we put a death panel in it and then we'll surely get republicans vote for it. but that won't see the light of day. >> the death penalty won't see the light of day? or the jail time. i don't know anymore. >> the jail thing is not going to make it. but it all grows out of the problem with the individual mandate and the history of individual mandate is it was raised by republican john chaffy

in 1994, condemned by bill clinton as the worst possible thing that we could do, then when hillary clinton was running for president, she was in favor of an individual mandate. her health plan was written by john chafee. so it has traveled the long road from republicanism now over to the democratic party. it has horrible enforcement implications, that it's on your tax return, it's enforced through the tax code, so if you don't pay it, you are up for tax evasion here, which does theoretically, not in cases like this, carry a jail term. so the individual mandate carries a lot of serious problems in enforcement terms with it. >> if the democrats have moved into that end of the twilight zone, clearly that has pushed the republicans further back in the hatch business to pass on abortion amendment yesterday, onerous, unnecessary, but it does signal their hand for the next round of it. so they're going do wind up repealing the insurance, now we're going to pay the insurance companies money and they don't have to provide any coverage at

all? >> they will definitely come back on abortion. i was in the room when they vote on that. when i was in the finance committee there were no women on the committee, and to see not just the women on the democratic side, but also olympia snowe, adding their votes against the hatch amendment, which is necessary, they're going to come on taxes, keith, that's the next level is taxes. there are a lot of taxes in this bill, there are new taxes that no one has ever seen before and that were not part of the obama presidential campaign about how to pay for this. taxes is the weak spot. as long as michelle obama is out there giving video like that, the tax argument isn't being heard. so michelle bachman is helping by drowning out the tax argument that's going on in the senate finance committee right now. >> we have canceled the october recess, so there's no second round of town halls with democratic congressmen, it's left with throwing as many

wrenches into the work as possible. what is the most they can get within the framework of not having the wild-eyed protesters out here? >> the worst they can get is killing the bill completely. they did it before. now when i look at boehner, i have to say, boy, i wish we had been up against him in '94, we were up against bob dole, they were very -- they came at us on the policies that were in the bill. that's how they won. this time around these people are lost, between boehner and michele bachmann they have no idea what to say about this. >> you know why he got that fake tan, because otherwise he would be so transparent you could see the board behind him. good to see you, sir. by this unimproved overpriced rigged insurance policy or go to jail. this is the end game of what began with single payer and the public option. and tonight there's a glimmer of hope, evidence of a by partisan bill with a public option, pro public insurance option.

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the republicans try to sink the public option, the democrats . that socialized insurance would have unfair advantages. as the pulitzer prize winner recently record, these arguments do not stop some of the biggest opponents of socialized insurance from voting for socialized insurance. when that insurance is not for the well being of people but of property. he call government run health care. >> it's clear. the american people want health care reform but they want their

elected laerds to get it right. most americans wanted to their president tell speaker pelosi marks jort leader reid and the rest of the congress that it is time to start over on a common sense bipartisan plan focused on lowering the cost of health care while improving quality. that's what i've heard over the past several months in talking to thousands of my constituents. replacing your family's current health care with government-run health care is not the answer. in fact, it will make health care much more expensive. >> some blue dog house democrats also oppose a public option. when the senate finance committee voted against including it in its version of health care reform, republicans were joined by a handful of democrats including the committee chair max baucus who conferred with the gang of six. republicans chuck grassley, mike enzi and olympia snowe.

they cast their votes on tuesday. each of them voted just last year in support of government-run insurance, that insurance protects property. it is the national flood insurance program because the free market decided it could not make money on that unpredictable risk called flooding. government run insurance is sold through private insurance companies but it is backed by the government and the government assumes all risk. unlike the public option that relies on customer premiums, government flood insurance gets a subsidy also known as a handout from the government and it is mandatory for some people. so given all the shouting over a public option, who could vote for mandatory taxpayer subsided anti- free market socialized flood insurance run by bureaucrats? every single politician i just named. charles boustany, who voted yea on the flood insurance reform

and nod earnization act. carl marx applauded. the entire gang of six voting yea on the same acts to quote, restore the solvency of the national flood insurance program, but also to expand socialized insurance to make available multiperil coverage for damage resulting from -- wind storms and floods and for other purposes. in the senate where it is less popular than in the house noorks senators voted to expand socialized property insurance. consider the communist states that get the biggest handouts from socialized property insurance. north carolina, mississippi, wisconsin, florida, illinois, missouri, indiana, iowa, louisiana, and the top socialized property insurance welfare state in the nation, the people's republic of texas. people's republic? where 682,000 property owners have their hand out for socialized property insurance, more than 36,000, scooping up

1.5 billion this claims last year alone. of course it's not that some politicians don't care about the health of all americans as much as they care about the wealth of those americans who can't afford water front property. there is perhaps a less callous explanation, greed. can't be principled because mandatory subsidized socialized property insurance is even more socialist than is the public option. preexisting conditions? no problem, you can get flood insurance even if you have already been flooded, even if you have chosen to live in a high risk area, you can even get flood insurance after the diagnose sis in, even if you know a big hurricane is coming. they love government run property insurance. according to the "new york times," americans pay about $2.3 billion in flood premiums every year. insurance companies get almost a billion out of that, without a single dollar of their own at risk. private insurance companies make $327 million a year above their

expenses. so thanks to the politicians who oppose the public option for people, we already have socialized government health care plans for the health of the insurance companies. good news and bad news tonight, meantime for sarah palin, even though it's still in the preorder stage, her book is number one, the bad news, she may have to do some unscripted interviews with some of those newspapers she reads. you know, katy, all of them.

a company called pink visual might make porn. first on this date in 1936, general francisco franco was named head of spain. he would rule until 1975. since then he has been still dead. let's play "oddball." >> we begin in berlin. preparations are underway for the celebration of the berlin wall. artists from around the world made simulated section of the wall that once split soviet berlin from western berlin. it will be knock down on the 9th of november, the anniversary. as this trial run demonstrates, the giant dominos will be set up in the true spirit of tutonic whimsy in a perfectly engineered straight line. don't get too close to that, mr. photographer. yikes. when the every region is --

every religion is silly except your own category comes this story of a yearly ritual hindus observe in southern india, during the festival, the temple priest tells women who have thought bad thoughts that they must be freed from the evil by getting whipped. oddly enough, the guys don't get whipped. mostly because their thoughts are pure. even the one doing the whipping. once it all over, the women can rest easy knowing nothing bad will happen to them, like, say, getting whipped. morning news anchors, whose names i won't mention, the pollute america's airwaves with sights and sounds of hard core animal pornography today, one of them actually beckons for a handler to bring two pooches on stage and into america's living rooms. >> let's go back this way. let's walk back this way. okay. that's a whole other show.

>> that's today on nbc. >> after which the temple priest came to town and whipped all of them. going rogue, going big. have they run up the score by buying? health care organizations are buying sarah palin's book in volume. senator lindsay graham calls birthers crazy. and dismisses glenn beck as a weepy cynic. these stories ahead. number three, best renaming. that would be the wisconsin tourism lobbying coalition. after 30 years has operated under the same name and acronym, but just changed it. the new name tourism federation of wisconsin. tfw. the old name, wisconsin tourism federation. wtf. date line washington. former bush speech writer, another gem from his former colleague matt latimer's new

book, when ted kennedy was diagnosed with a brain tumor, i suggested that the president might at least consider awarding him with the presidential medal of freedom. marc objected with the genteel diplomacy. that's crazy, he thundered. kennedy was a liberal. there is the bush administration in a nut shell. first, he was a liberal. you couldn't sneak anything past those bushies. and second, what a nice job of reaching across the aisle. and the best outreach suddenly abandoned. newt gingrich has now retracted two of his newt gingrich business defense and advisory council entrepreneur awards, the lodge of dallas, joining pink visual of california in learning it was all a mistake. the former speaker is not saluting their businesses. the lodge turns out not to be a printing company in virginia, but a strip joint in dallas and pink visual turns out to be a porn dvd superstore in california and not a -- well, we don't know what pink visual might have been. maybe he thought his film wife

switch volume 7 was, i don't know, a documentary about the speaker and his previous marriages.

47 more days until sarah palin's 400 page word salad hits bookstores, but "going rogue" has already gone to the top of the best seller list. and while the unemployed alaska blogger proves she can finish something, the problem now is her co--author whose targets including the separation of church and state and whose faults have included separating what she writes from reality. those expecting the book to be all sunshine, meat the co-author lynne vin send. the body of work is the william boykin who said his god was bigger than a muslim terrorist's god. comments from which even president bush distanced himself.

and in a book called donkey con which describes the democratic party as the party of treasure on. president obama as a minority survivor of the black genocide, that is abortion. meanwhile the palin memoir is currently number one on the barnes & noble website as well as amazon, but not all book enthusiasts are preordering. >> the part of the book i'm looking forward to least is some of the disagreements that took place within the campaign. >> wow. the senator has company. the owner of anchorage bookstore remarking that not a single customer has asked about it. i don't know what that means, maybe we're all going rogue, going all mavericky. joining me now, msnbc analyst, richard wolf. richard, good evening. >> good evening, keith. >> what does palin's selection of the co-author, lynn vincent suggest what kind of book this is or will be, just in case she hasn't finished it yet.

>> you have to have a mind meld with your co-author and sarah palin has done something extraordinary again which is to find somebody just as irrational as she is. that's fine if you're selling books to the base, much tougher if you're trying to reach out to some independent votes or someone who may have voted progangster at some time in her life. but more than that, how does lynne vincent marry up with the writing style of sarah palin, the great writer from the tweeterland up north who said no rain, no rainbow. >> the mccain point we heard there about what part of the book he is anticipating will be his least favorite, how far do we expect palin to really throw him under the bus to sell this book and to sell herself for 2012 and is that -- is there a way of overdoing that where it winds up rebounding against her? >> well, i was talking to some,

we'll call them campaign operatives, veterans from the republican side who are fully expecting this to be all about the score settling, at least the headlines coming out of the book to be about the score settling, about how there's all those evil mccain handlers who stopped palin from showing her true genius, the great american voter and unleashing her even more than she was on the national press. so, you know, that's going to be a lot of headlines and it's not the best way to go at recruiting staff if she does indeed have that kind of ambition. it's also not the kind of politics and political leadership that voters respond to. >> this may be the biggest question of all, do we expect a book tour? and if there's a book tour, wouldn't she have to agree to a couple of interviews in order to promote that book. >> there is a danger. the real risk of a book tour having done them myself is that they're grueling, exhausting and sarah palin may find the best

way she can do a book tour and support the troops is to stay home. >> both amazon and harpercollins say they do not know who's preordering the book. we have seen this on -- right wing groups are buying it and are offering it for free, in part to put her and keep her at the top of the best seller list? >> let's put the "new york times" list to one side. but i'm going to reveal a little secret here, but those amazon lists especially are easily manipulatable, and that's not my statement being some twisted book author, there's a respected economist who works out of the white house by the name of austin goolsby who wrote an economic paper who found out that there was no feasible algorhythm about how these books are counted. we'll have to wait until the

actual publishers have done their tally. >> is there a chance that this is the fabled new career, or has that not yet been revealed to all of us? >> all will be revealed in a tweet and then she'll collect them all up and she'll put that in a book too. >> richard wolfe, author of "renegade" and also senior strategist at public strategies. great, thanks, richard. >> thank you, keith. what do you mean a republican senator doesn't like glenn beck when he has the intellectual capacity to equate the president's stop over in copenhagen to copenhagen stuff. why couldn't i be smart enough to do that? and if you're honoring hispanic heritage month, don't you have to mention supreme court justice sonya sotomayor. not if you're the republican national committee. and when rachel joins us at the top of the hour, senator cronies had to get him a job while he was having an affair with mrs. doug hampton.

howard fineman's sources now report to us that the senator that proposed the jail time if you do not buy the new crapola mandatory insurance is part of the max baucus committee. first the worst. the republicans celebrate hispanic heritage month by not mentioning sonia sotomayor. cesar chavez or even mel martinez. you're watching "countdown" on msnbc.

glenn beck is a cynic in the nation of believers. that's next. first, the number two story, a fun house view of the mirror in the world. obama's safe school czar is a guy promoting homosexuality in the schools and a 15-year-old kid to have a homosexual relationship with an older man, and even facilitated it. the the adviser is named kevin jennings. he wrote while he was a high school counselor he met a male student who had a relationship with an older man who was 16. past the legal age so he didn't call the cops.

for this limbaugh said he was promoting homosexuality in the schools. as to limbaugh's fascination with that topic, i refer you to the limbaugh comedy are you teen by the late bill hicks. the runner up. he has pleaded guilty to terrorism financing. he now faces up to 25 years in jail. he thought he was transferring $152,000 to buy night vision goggles and other equipment for a terrorist training camp. he was arrested in february 2007, but oddly the bush administration did not make a big deal about it. possibly because he also had transferred $15,000 to the national republican congressional committee and $20,000 to the national republican senatorial committee. that's one of the inner circle members for life. and our winner, michael steele, chairman of the national republican committee in the tone deaf way that's made him the idol of every democrat. the rnc released a video called

a tradition of firsts. hispanic accomplishments in america. however, they left out sonia sotomayor and labor leader cesar chavez and mel martinez who's on the outs with the party at the moment. and instead of writing a press release in spanish, steele's guy simply tried to translate the english one into spanish this led to 25 errors in five sentences. including getting the spanish translation wrong of the name of this country. michael steele chair of the rnc [ speaking spanish ] can you tell i tack seven years of french.

to date more than 60 companies have stopped advertising on glenn beck's news program because of his claim that the president is racist, with a deep seated hatred for white people or white culture. republican senator lindsay graham criticized beck's role and has become the first prominent gop member to repudiate him as a member of the republican party. did he first draft of history at washington' museum, south carolina senior senator took on several right wing fling issues on racism. he said he disagreed with president carter, but said, quote, there's people who are having a hard time reconciling the fact that we have a black president. he called the birther movement crazy. he decried what he called a lack of civility pervading our media. when he turned to old lonesome, the senator pulled no punches. >> what do you think of glenn

beck? >> only in america can you make that much money crying. glenn beck is not aligned with any party, as far as i can tell. he's aligned with cynicism. and there's always been a market for cynicism, but we became a great nation, not because we're a nation of cynics, we became a great nation because we're a nation of believers, that on the other side of the mountain is worth going to look at. >> cynicism was on full display yesterday with beck and his ongoing effort to -- decided to use a can of snuff to bring the point home. >> i want to talk to you tonight about copenhagen, two different kind of copenhagens, remember this, copenhagen, this is the first one. i'll tell you about that at the every end. >> tell me now. the second copenhagen is in denmark, the site of tomorrow's international olympic committee's vote to host the

2016 games. the president hopes to land there and bring the olympics back to chicago and then back. and glenn beck's chalk board knows better, the president only wants to bring the olympics to chicago so he can make his friends rich, his friends who love communists, cop killers, slum lords and probably tobacco, what about the tobacco, won't somebody think about the tobacco? >> know why the can of snuff, i told you i was going to talk about this in the very beginning. copenhagen, some people put this between their cheek and their gum, it gives you a good jolt, but the main thing you should knowings is about the little label here on the side, warning, this product may be cancerous. may be cancerous. >> clear and compelling argument if i ever i heard one. i'm joined by craig crawford, columnist with cqpolitics.com, msnbc political analyst and now author with helen thomas with the just-released "listen up,

mr. president -- everything you always wanted your president to know and do." just one volume? >> maybe there will be a sequel. >> listen, do you know what the analogy was there? is it obama is a cancer? is it that he's a snuff film? was he born in denmark? or do you have prince albert in a can? what was going on there? >> i haven't got a clue, keith, and i'm glad i don't, because if i understood that, i would really be worried. i don't know about this word snuff, you can't accuse him of inciting assassination attempts, but you got to wonder what goes through your mind using a word like that in the context of talking about the president. a charitable explanation is that he is a nut. but if he was a real nut, most squirrels wouldn't go near him. >> the lindsay graham criticism, is that he might be the first guy in the gop to go, i don't want anything to do with this.

he's not in my party. you take him. is that a rogue position, to borrow somebody else's phrase? >> it's a little push and pull, but they also get a lot out of glenn beck, in that he turns out voters to the polls, particularly in low voter turnout environments like a midterm election comes next year. so i think republicans would love to have it both ways, keep their distance from some of the craziness, but reap the benefits of those voters in terms of the conservatives that he turns out at the polls. >> is it possible -- john mccain would have been worst than obama since mccain and graham are so tight? >> that's a possibility. knowing lindsay graham a little bit. he's actually a very reasonable guy and i think he was speaking

from the heart there, i think there are a lot of republicans, i certainly talked to some, who are very concerned about, you know, the limbaugh, to the glenn becks and becomes the face of their party. but at the same time, like i say, they don't remind the voters to turn out. >> the larger part of the criticism is that the republican party is the point of view. somebody like me is that it's set by media figures in four ratings, not progress for the nation, but really progress for their own side. is there anything blowing back against that, is there any impetus for change in that party. >> if they got out there with some new faces that are more reasonable maybe, but the problem for republicans is that they're addicted to one's actually a shrinking universe of voters who are very vocal and used to be their mainstay, but as our society. a chunk of voters. they're still addicted to it. but as long as you've got the howard behl type characters like glenn beck out there.