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next on m isn't permit s nbc sunday, it is miles an hour the world believed, but does it mean an a bomb. firefight in afghanistan. a deadly day for u.s. forces as president obama considers changing course in the war. also ahead, giving it a shot. what will happen when the first h1n1 flu vaccine arrives this week? who will get it first and why? good morning. i'm alex whitt. welcome to msnbc sunday where it's 11:00 a.m. on the east coast, 8:00 a.m. out west.
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we'll get you up to speed what's happening. sobering news on iran's nuclear weapons program. the types oig reports that the united nations thinks iran has required sufficient information to produce an atom bomb. good morning. it is your report. let's get some of the details from you. >> what we reported this morning is that in an internal document that the iaea staff has composed but what the overall structure is not issued or approved, the experts working on on the staff there have concluded that rap has gathered all the information it needs, all the designs it needs to be able to actually design a weapon. as we've discussed here before, designing it is just one part. another part is learning how it make the fuel, they've learned
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how to do that. and of course delivering it on a missile on the other part. this are caveats in the report, including the fact that they've gotten some information from intelligence agencies in the west that they haven't fully confirmed, but they seem pretty confident in their understanding of what the iranians now know how to do. >> so that is why there is not unanimous agreements. and how much does that muddy the next step and what the u.s. decides to do in reaction to this? >> it doesn't muddy the next step as much as it makes it agent longer and more complicated. it's no longer enough to go in and simply inspect the main enrichment site and the site that was just revealed two weeks ago by the obama administration. instead what needs to be done now is that the iaea, the world's international inspector, need to be able to get in and
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interview the scientists, the engineer, some of whom it appears work for the military who have actually worked on weapons design. and that's going to be very hard for the iranians because they've always declared that this is a completely civilian program. so if they're interviewing military engineers on what they've done in the nuclear sphere, kld call into question the central argument. >> so does this give us a clear sense? >> the estimate that came out in 2007 gave a range of when they could actually produce a bomb of between 2010 and 2015, bias toward the latter end of that. and that could still be the case because of course they would have to get the basic fuel and enrich it up it a bomb-grade level. but the critical question here is we frequently don't know what their level of progress is or necessarily where all of their facilities are and of course the
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u.s. intelligence agency has been very cautious on this as they should be after iraq when, of course, they overestimated how close saddam hussein was. in past cases they've underestimated and in that most recent one, they wildly overestimated. >> let's listen to what happened on "meet the press" today. >> the onus is now squarely on iran to adhere to the commitment it is has made. if it doesn't, time is short, we're not interested in talking for talking sake, we're not interested in indeterminable negotiations. they have to demonstrate conclusively that their program is for peaceful purposes. >> time is short. what if time runs out, what does the u.s. do some. >> well, there are two clocks here that are running. one is could the -- would the u.s. and it allies move to the next step, which has been what they've described as crip blink
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sancti crippling sanctions. they don't want to go that route because they still are not convince that had russia and china will be with the u.s. on that issue. the second clock is the israeli clock. they've said by the end of the year, maybe a little bit i don't understand, they will give for diplomacy to work. and after that, they've left the big question mark of when or not they would seek to strike the nuke cheer sites. >> so out of this report, what is the biggest thing you take away from it? >> the biggest thing i take away from it is this. we already know that the iranians know how to produce nuclear fuel. the only question is what would it take for them to get up to enriched to bomb-grade level. if you believe the iaea experts, and some are quite good, they believe iran has the knowledge and the design, some of which provided from the outside, to produce a weapon. and of course we know that
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they've got missile technology. the question is could they integrate all that and would they get caught integrating it. and of course integrating it is not easy. that's a lengthy process. >> david sanger, thank you so much. appreciate it. developing now in afghanistan, a taliban attack has killed eight u.s. soldiers, two afghan forces were also killed in one of the deadliest days for u.s. troops in p kim. jim miklaszewski has the latest. >> reporter: by all accounts this is a vicious account. 75 to 80 enemies launched the attack. a battle that raged on for more than six hours. the enemy from protected positions in the mountain sides that overlooked the camp with rocket grenades. they also fired from a nearby police station in a town right next to the camp. according to u.s. officials, there were also enemy on the ground that breached the wire, entered the camp and held part
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of the camp for several hours before they were beaten back and retreated. in the end, u.s. military estimates that as many as 50 enemy were killed, but in the process, eight americans and two afghan nationals also killed. the tragedy here is that those soldiers that were manning that outpost in the bottom of that valley surrounded by mountains were prepare to go abandon that base and leave it just two days from now. jinl pim jim miklaszewski, nbc news. a 2-year-old disappears while riding her by psych dell. family members say she had gone out for a bike ride and when she did not return be she called police. officers found her bike the next afternoon about a quarter mile or so away from the teen's home. police also say they are following up on hundreds of secret witness calls and other potential leads. >> there was a case about a week, week and a half ago up in cold springs where it's a.
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>> reporter: where a male tried to tell a couple girls on bicycles to come talk to them in the car and they're following up on that. >> police believe foul play was involved. police and volunteers are now going door to door for information and looking at at foreclosed homes for any clues. knew details this morning in the case of a man secretly videotaping a sports reporter. investigators say the videos were taken through a modified peep hole while erin andrews dressed. >> reporter: the suspect is behind bars this morning after making his first court appearance this weekend. in a chicago courtroom, 48-year-old michael barrett, an insurance executive, was dressed in an orange jump suit. the court ordered the illinois residents to be returned to california to face several
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interstate tastalking charges. >> i've gotten calls from 30 of his friends in the last ten hours, all willing to give their support to him. >> reporter: barrett is accused of secretly taking nude videos of erin andrews while she was a alone in at least two hotel rooms. according to the criminal complaint, barrett traveled to cities where andrews was working, called hotels to find out where she was staying, and when he made his reservation, barrett asked specifically for a room next to andrews identified in the complaint as individual a. authorities allege barrett then rigged her door's peep hole so he could take individual quos of her. officials say he posted the videos on the internet after trying to sell them to california based celebrity websites tmz. tmz declined and even instead
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handed the information it an drusz' attorney who contacted authorities. in the community where he lives outside of chicago, neighbors are shocked. >> i couldn't believe it because how nice he had always been and very gentle. >> reporter: bear vet due back in court monday for a hearing to determine whether he'll be released on bond. mean time, erin andrews has thanked fbi agents and prosecutors. she says she'll work to strengthen laws to help protect victims of criminal stalking. >> thank you very much. coming up, why the upcoming christmas holiday season may tell us how quickly the economy will recover. ♪ %. >> lard to turn away, right is this well that's going gaga on saturday night live. whether i'm at the batting cages... down by the lake or...
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president and michelle obama as they mark their 17th wedding anniversary with a low key night out in washington. the pair went to the blue duck tavern near georgetown. they wed in 1992. >>. the full senate will soon be debating a single health care bill for the very first time. i'm joined by associate editor with the hill newspaper. good morning. >> good morning. >> so this health reform bill, how large a hurdle does it face overall? how much time is going to be expended with debate and discussion by the full senate? >> when the senate finance committee finishes up early this week and comes to a voting committee and passes the bill
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out, you will feel that there's some momentum coming out of congress, but there's long very tho thorny road ahead. the senate finance committee bill now has to be merged with this other bill from the is that the health education, labor and pensions committee, a much more liberal bill. there's lots of differences to paper over. i think it's going to be a very tough couple of week. these negotiations whether not be out in public. they will be in private. but there's a lot of tensions between, again, the liberal wing of the democratic party and the conservative wing of the democratic party and that's where the real work has to be done. before we get to any kind of bill that can get to the senate floor for debate, i think once a bill gets to the senate floor, it will be one that can pass. but it's these negotiations in private where all the differenceses have to be ironed out. >> and the "chicago tribune" reporting the president is working pretty hard behind the
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scenes to include a public option in the health reform bill. if the president feels that this measure is so important, why not lobby for it in a more public way? why not try to get american support behind him and then take that to the legislators? >> i don't think that president obama is going to take this argument public because i think he's already said in public that it is not necessary for health care reform, that it takes good way to inject choice and competition into the system, but it is not the only way. but every indication that we have on capitol hill, there are not the votes for what is known as a robust or strong government health care program. if president obama is feeling pressure from liberal interest groups, and he is because they're facing a tough landscape in next year's elections, and need all the liberal groups on board, if they feel pressure from them to continue this fight for the public option, i
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understand why they're going to continue to do so. i don't think he's going to take it public and press for it. there are not the votes in the senate for a robust public option. they might be working behind the scenes on something that could be pilot programmed, triggered, some kind of watered down option, but the traditional liberal public option doesn't have the votes at this point and i still don't see how it ends up in the final bill. >> what about unemployment? 26% -- i mean 26 year high. what about the administration, do they need to think about changing their game plan on that? >> i do. you still think in polling that the public is worried that the stimulus just didn't deliver, it has not changed the unemployment scenario that we're face which go is a stubborn unemployment. obviously the rate of drop loss has slowed and that's good news, but, still, it's going in the wrong direction. look it looks
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for the foreseeable situation. so the obama administration under very much fire from their opposition and republican party and from their critics and obviously nervous democrats facing rehaeks next year. i think it would be good for them to pivot in the coming months if they can get this health care bill off the table, get it passed and move on to try to focus on jobs. it is the main number one concern and i think even though job loss has slowed, i think those numbers are not going to turn around for a while, they need to convince the public they're doing all they can to reverse it. >> okay, have a great sunday. thank you. in a moment, zombies rules the movie box office, but why? you're watching msnbc sunday. we'll take a look.
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movie fans prefer zombies. the new movie has done what no other film has been able to do for weeks, which is knock meat b balls from the top spot. >> they've really let themselves go. >> the top movies this week are zombie land, meatballs and toy story. amy palmer with in-touch weekly magazine joins us. two animated family friendly high profile movies out this weekend, yet zombie land beats both of them? i know. why. i think it has to do with escapism. what better way to relieve your stress and forget your troubles and to get see zombie, woody harrell son's first film in years, so audiences are excited to see him again an what better
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way to see him. and it's not your straight slasher films. it has that comedic element to it and i think audiences really gravitate towards it. >> for those families that take their kids to see toy story and toy story 2, we have this reconfigured in to 3d format and the inclusion of enter mission. >> you can believe it? >> go out to get more popcorn, take kids to the bathroom. >> why y >> yes, but this fille rm runs e hours long, so this is a great marketing tool in terms of the enter missi inter-mission. >> and then there's toy story 3 coming out, on so the tease for
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that. >> yep, great marketing move. so it's introducing toy story to a whole new generation. >> a couple movies that are coming out other than the obvious, there's a movie called precious with mariah carey. >> this is getting so much buzz. it's a really raw movie about a girl who is leading a life p just absolute strive and she's going through such a hard time. the film was directed by lee daniels who directed monsters ball. it's getting so much buzz. oprah winfrey's behind it. monique is in it, she really plays an incredibly powerful role in it. and then there's a newcomer playing precious. and this is kind of the slum dog millionaire of the new awards season. >> nine, the all-star cast musical. >> and you see daniel day-lewis kind of in a new light. who is this guy? and then you have nicole kidman, she's obviously amazing. and so fee a lore ren, when you see her, you're like i have got to see this. so that's absolutely a must.
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>> that could j take oefrtd box office. the first week obviously it will win. >> staying power, these girls are twilight obsessed. they'll go sue new moon over and over again. i don't know if you've ever seen this movie with a bimpg of girls in the audience, they're screaming at the screen. so, yes, big, big, big franchise there. >> i'm looking forward to going. it's going to be another experience about. amy palmer, thank you so much. a star-studded show on "saturday night live" for you. but as always one of the highlightses, a political spoof poking fun at president obama. >> last year i was elected with a mandate to bring this country change we could believe in. and as time as passed, it has become clear that this promise is trouble to go some people. when you will look at my record, it's very clear what i've done so far.
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and that is -- nothing. nada. almost one year and nothing to show for it. you don't believe me? you think i'm making it up? take a look at this checklist. now, on my first day in office, i said i'd close guantanamo bay. is it closed yet? no. i said we'd be out of iraq. are we? not the last time i checked. i even went personally to try to bring the olympics to chicago in 2016. it didn't work out. but in this case, there's some good news with the bad. for every person who buys an american car in the next six months, you're going to get one of these. >> he's so funny. and musical guest lady gaga
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the white house is feeling the pull on both sides. on one side, vice president biden who wants to preserve the current troop level and then general stanley mcchrystal who wants more troops. for more, i'm joined by scott wilson with the "washington post." good morning. give us both sides of the argument. >> well, basically what's playing out in the white house is an argument that has vice president biden representing one side which is preserve current combat troop levels, step up predator drone strikes against al qaeda operatives both this pakistan and in afghanistan, and increase -- expedite the troop training for afghan forces. in other words, do not increase the u.s. combat footprint in afghanistan which the vice president is arguing actually helps the taliban present the united states as an occupying force. the other side is the uniformed military which supports general mcchrystal's assessment. if accepted it would greatly
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expand the u.s. project in afghanistan. the general mi be accepting as many as 40,000 new combat forces in the coming weeks. and that is really a nation building project. had take a lot of time. and had lead to much more obviously u.s. combat casualties. >> but with regard to the attack we've just been mentioning, eight soldiers dead, which case does it better strengthen? >> i think both will be looking at this case. there was a very similar attack in 2008 in the same part of the country. it is now being used really as a lesson that both sides are looking at. one is why are we fighting in these remote places to preserve territory that we cannot hold. even with 40,000 new troop, it would be very difficult to hold some of this really rugged terrain. and so that's sort of the vice president biden position. the military position is you
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can't allow the taliban to fill in spaces particularly along the pakistan/afghanistan frontier, which can allow the taliban to attack the pakistan government, which of course has nuclear weapons, and allow the taliban in pakistan to infiltrate and destabilize the afghan government. therefore, send more forces to places like that and fight and preserve that territory for allied forces. >> so looking at congress overall, scott, how do the democrats feel about this? are they pretty uniform in their being against an expansion, and if that's the case, is it the president have to turn to republicans for added troops? >> the democratic consensus on capitol hill right now does appear to be against sending new combat forces. at least anytime soon. the position really very much is let's speed up the training of afghan forces which would require more u.s. trainers to go, which of course are soldiers
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themselves, but not necessarily soldiers out in some of these combat outposts we talked about. but the republican side is very much let's give general mcchrystal, just appointmented to ta couple months ago, what he's asking for. so if president decides more troops are needed, he may very well have to go to the republicans who are now of course critiquing his ghes it ticked a jep today harshly and get them to support his most important foreign policy initiatives. >> scott wilson with the "washington post," thank you so much. afghanistan will be topic today on "meet the press" at 2:00 eastern here on msnbc when david gregory will speak with the u.s. ambassador to the u.n., susan rice. let go from there to in-
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indonesia where there's growing concern about how to reach survivors in isolated areas. >> reporter: the task is so enormous, it spreads all the way all the way down the valley. the villages were spread out, they weren't very compact. there was a wedding service, a wedding party under way in one village just here. another row of houses miraculously escaped when the mud and the rock ended right at their back wall. it's going to be some time before we know just how many people were buried here, but the effort is continuing. and this does raise more concerns about what's happened in outlying areas. we know now what's happened in padang, but these more isolated communities where many people could remain trapped with the ones where rescue workers are now beginning to turn their attention. back to you. >> pretty incredible pictures. thanks for that. and for stories of survival and a slide show, you can go to msnbc.com. the first doses of the
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vaccine for the h1n1 virus too should be available late they are week. the government is planning to send 600,000 doses to 21 states in its first vaccine shipment. the doses should arrive at public health department, private hospitals, as well as doctors' offices on tuesday. joining me live is a representative with the united federation of teachers in new york. good morning. we checked in with you before the school year started. what is the situation thousand with the school year under way? lots of cases of h1n1, or not so much? >> yes, the flu is back this new york and back throughout the country and it seems to spread a little faster now that the schools are open again. now, even though it's not flu season and the flu is back in new york, the predominant flu is the h1n1. not alleghe not at alarming rates yet.
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>> so when this vaccination becomes available later this week, will they have access through the schools? >> yes, it will be offer order a voluntary basis to every student. in the event that we don't have enough vaccines for every student, the teachers union, we want to make sure that the children who are predisposed to other illnesses are the priority. and our staff members either pregnant or other underlying conditions, that they get taken care of first. obviously it will be made available if there's enough doses for everybody. >> you were asked back in the spring when the swine flu took just a disastrous effect on that school having to close it down, do you think having gone through that experience is why we are a bit better prepared now this time? >> yes, absolutely. we learned a lot from that last, the city did. we the teachers union, we learned a lot from it, too, so we want to be out ahead of this from the very beginning.
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we want to make sure that our students and our staff members are protected. there's a lot of things that need to be put this place. we have staff members in schools who are pregnant, we have to make sure that we take care of them. if their doctor advises them to stay home, those teachers can't lose day ares on can't lose time. >> what's interesting also as a lot of colleges, universities got pack in session, some of them as early as the end of august, there were huge outbreaks in places across this country. what would you advise them to do in terms of stemming the tied oig of h1n1 spread something. >> education is the most important part. we have to let people know how to take care of themselves. parents need to be involved in the conversation. all stakeholders need to be kept aware of everything that needs to be done. so obviously washing hands and covering your mouth when you sneeze or cough is important, but if it comes to closing a school that has to be done. it shouldn't be the first step. education is the first step.
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pay off credit card bills. we're not going see a lot of pick up in retail sales. people will spend a lot less. we saw a report earlier in the week, 84% say they'll spend as much as they spent last year, which was not a lot, or less. >> how much is that factored into things from the businesses in the malls and the small shop, even the big retailers. because we saw a lot of places shudder up in january. >> they haven't stopped shuddering. this could be another very bleak january. i'd love to shine some ray of hope, but unless unemployment getting better, which is really the lock and in hand with consumer spend, we're not going to see an uptick in saleses. but here's who's going to win. walmart, the usual suspect, mcdonald's, the place has have the deals where people want to go and not spend too much money, but still spend some money. >> how much do retailers back tore all this into things?
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and when they go this to their buying season, placing the orders where they think what's going to sell, all those sales after the holidays, they were literally giving things away. they don't want to do that this year. >> and we're not going to see that because last year, they didn't think things would be that bad and they didn't have time to stop the supply t. this year they've address jujusr inventory. because lot of sales sooner. 70% of americans will be buying holiday ghifts befo gifts befor. so they're planning it out more. >> so you're saying don't wait for those fire sales that came up in december. that's moot going to happen this year? >> not necessarily. you'll see a lot more deep discounts earlier in the season. and it's more about shopping strategically, not necessarily buying everything at the end because you're not going to get
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the best stuff. remember, inventory has been adjusted. so unlike last year, you're not going have the quality of goods that you had. >> any idea what retailers do to try to spur on the spend something. >> we've already seen some of it. here's where you'll see winning. $10 or less. that's where folks wanted to spend. walmart is doing it, toys "r" us. 100 toys for $10. so if you can do that, that's what you need to do. and also anything that has to do with a kitchen. people are nesting. they want to buy things for the home. so cooking supplies that's what will really sell. >> okay, at least it was from you this bad news somehow makes it more palatable. thank you. it is the comfort food of the times. potato chips. since the economy went into recession, sales have increased by 22%. but analysts see a 3% annual drop in sales other the next five years in the economy improves. so take note. we're learning new details about the cbs producer charged with trying to blackmail david
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letterman for $2 million. robert halderman was desperate and deep in debt. he's currently out on bond after pleading not guilty on friday to one count of attempted first degree grand larceny. the alleged plot led to letterman revealing that he had sexual relationships with some of the women who worked for him. joining me now lisa green. we hear all the scuttlebutt about possible sexual harassment lawsuits. on what would those be based? >> sexual harassment law requires that the purchase felt that their work environment was hostile. in addition to feeling that, and that would be whether you were someone who had had a sexual relationship at work or you were someone who has in order had a sexual relationship at work but felt that other people doing it had created an environment that was untenable. >> and you haven't been sexually harassed yourself, but because you couldn't get ahead?
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>> that's exactly right. imagine being in an office where a boss has romantic relationships with subordinates and being people who feels i'm not getting proceed hoeted afrnt the reason i think that's the case is that this is a hostile work environment. now, alex, were to you tayou tot claim to court, you would also have to show that a reasonable person would agree with that assessment, so it's not enough to feel aggrieved, you have to show that pretty much anyone would feel the same feelings. >> let's talk about worldwide pants. they're saying he did not violate any company policies and no one has come forward to say sexually harassed charge, they don't feel that they've been harassed that way. would someone come forward now given the fact that somebody's out there, what is the likelihood in your mind that we are going to see something? >> a significant barrier that's now been breached is that typically in these claims someone will say, you know, what i've been sexually harassed and a classic defense is to say that
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never happened. there's been no sexual relationships in this office. it's he said/she said story. now that david letterman has disclose that had he's had sexual relationships with women in the workplace, that sort of claim, that sort of defense, seems less probable, but remember, these claims are actually really hard to prove. there's a lot of talk about how he may be bombarded with complaints, claims from women who worked for him, but the reality is there are time limits to those complaints and the standard of proof is significant. it's not enough to just say i feel uncomfortable here, i was forced to do something i didn't want to do. there's a lot more layers of proof that are required. and people vigorously defend these charges for obvious reasons. >> okay, lisa green, thank you. in a moment, she's a poll arrest ripoll rising figure for sure, but can she become a threat this 2012? ahead on msnbc sunday.
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let's go to politics now. 432 page of sarah palin. the former governor's new book "going rogue" is a huge best seller. it's not even out in stores yet. the flood of preorders have made it to the top of the amazon.com and barnsandnoble.com websites. i'm joined now live by republican strategist brad blakeman and democratic strategist peter marajanian. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> is this part of a 2012 presidential strategy. are you ready for her to be the standardbearer for your party? >> well, this is certainly an attempt by sarah palin to make a lot of money as quickly as she can. whether or not she uses that popularity from her books and speeches to run for the
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presidency. but whatever, she's making whatever hay she can as for the popularity she had from being a running mate for john mccain. you can't blame her for that. >> one of mccain's main advisers said it would be, quote, a catastrophic election if she were the 2012 republican candidate. there are over 180 reader ratings on barnsandnoble.com, many positive. doesn't this book prove there's still enormous interest in her. >> as brad said, there's the celebrity factor. the very accusation she made against obama in the presidential campaign about his celebrity status, she's now bought into that. i see a lot of platitudes and one-liners but not a lot of attempt to get down and drill down and get substantive. as brad said, she's going to try to make money. she has appeal among the right wing base of the republican party, no question. but there will be challenges to
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that mantle from huckabee and even romney if she decides to get in. time to make a prediction, a little too early. but i'm predicting she doesn't run in 2012 because i don't think she has the stomach for a primary. i really do think that she will enjoy and make the money that she wants to make. i think she likes her status where she is now. >> do you agree that it would be catastrophic for the republican party. >> i'd love for her to be the nominee of the republican party. >> i knew you were going to say it that way. what do you think? >> i don't speak for the party. but certainly we welcome a wide field of qualified candidates. sarah paleson certainly one of those and she has every right to run. >> here's my question to you, brad, would you like for her to be the standard bearer for the republican party. does that mean she translates into the best presidential candidate in 2012? >> i personally would not be for
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sarah palin for a number of reasons. i personally don't like a quitter. i think she quit her job to make money. i think you have to have more substance to run for president than she has had in governing and in running an election. she would not be my first choice. >> that's great. thank you for answering the question. another question to you, brad, here's some buzz around the president's decision to go to copenhagen to push for the chicago olympics. wouldn't there be more criticism had the president decided not to go? >> absolutely not. i can tell you from experience somebody who was the gatekeeper for george w. bush, this is something that's not presidential. you do your homework in figuring out where the votes were. he got bamboozled by the international olympic committee by figuring out they had more votes than they actually had. to lose in the fourth place tells you there was something terribly wrong in a decision that should nerve made. >> would the president go ahead had he not thought had were a
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lock. did he get some bad intel? >> no, i don't think the administration thought this was a lock. and i think setting up the bar that high and saying that, you know, he thought it was a lock and that's why he went over there, is inaccurate. they went over, he was literally out of pocket for hours, not days. they made the presentation and lost. they knew they were going to take some plits politically for it. what i find interesting is that some republicans and folks like rush limbaugh take glee out of the fact that we didn't get this. i don't know who should be happy about it. >> that has been an interesting point. that will be the final point. that is a wrap of our live msnbc sunday coverage. stay with us. headlines, breaking news as it happens. up next "the untouchable." as washington continues the debate
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