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>> well, we'll see. even after losing a hard fought fight in the house republicans are refusing to give in. now they're vowing to do all they can to prevent the senate from giving final approval to health care reform before it comes law. meantime, president obama is getting ready to hit the road to sell the reform bill to a nation divided on the issue. president obama travels to iowa city, iowa on thursday to sell the public on health care reform, the bill that passed last night. when the bill becomes law, immediate changes include insurance companies can no longer drop patients who get sick, providers must offer free preventative care. there are no caps on lifetime benefits. that is huge. and this, too. young adults can stay on their parents' policies until the age of 26. then by 2014 all americans must have health insurance or pay a

fine. also by 2014 insurance companies will no longer be able to deny adults coverage for pre-existing conditions. the medicare payroll tax for individuals making more than $200,000 a year goes up, a percentage point, a 30% increase. nbc's kelly o'donnell joins us from capitol hill this afternoon. i'm ed schultz filling in for -- who hosts this hour? we've got so many hosts in this hour. tamron hall. tamron hall has taken a day off. i was only on the air 11 hours yesterday. >> reporter: yes. you get a freebie. >> please bear with me if i'm not the sharpest knife in the drawer today. okay? kelly o'donnell, we've got a lot of things developing, a lot of people on capitol hill saying it's great. others saying the war has just started. what's happening? >> reporter: boy, that exactly describes it. democrats are enjoying a day where they think they've accomplished something huge but also bracing for what comes next. that brings it all over here to the senate side. we expect this will get going

big time tomorrow but even now this hour with the senate back in session we'll begin to hear some of the outlines of how this will go. here's what needs to take place. the house last night passed two bills. one was the senate health care version, which originally passed the senate on christmas eve. that's what they said yes to. and they also passed a 153-page package of fixes to that bill, things they didn't like in it that they wanted to adjust. that fix-it bill now comes over to the senate and they must deal with it. here's what we expect. there will be lots of challenges on procedural matters. do all the things within that bill fit the rules? then we expect there will be amendments offered, lots of them especially by republicans, who will try to get democrats on the record and maybe some tough votes. and by that i mean they can offer things that democrats would typically want to vote for. that puts them in a tough spot because the democratic leadership will definitely want to have all of its members

saying, vote no, vote no, vote no. why? because any change would require it to go back to the house side for another vote. so there's a lot to watch this week. it should get interesting and exciting. there will be lots of amendments and a zillion votes as we go forward probably wednesday, thursday will be big days on the senate side, ed. >> looking at this, kelly, as it stands from the republicans' standpoint, it sounds like they're not giving any ground at all. they are going to fight the democrats tooth and nail on this health care reform and they're just stuck in concrete. that's all dried up. they're not going to move. >> reporter: well, there are some tactical things republicans stand to gain from their perspective. we know they didn't have the votes to stop it so they can use the rules of the senate to try to pin democrats down on what might be unpopular votes that could be used against them in elections this november and beyond. for example when i said there might be issues that they would typically want to vote for, well if they vote no that can become the making of an ad somewhere down the line.

they also think there are things they can strike from the bill that might be helpful from their perspective so then the house would be asked to say, okay. we lost this and we lost that. let's vote for it and get it done. so it is a chess game. there are principles behind it. there's also lots of politics behind it. and it really requires lots of study of the rules and we'll begin to see a whole lot more of a very important civil servant, a man named ail and frewman who is the parliamentarian of the senate. he will in effect be a referee judging whether things do meet the rules, don't meet the rules. he'll play a very important role and he is someone on the senate we almost never see in public. he is certainly on camera when you see the big wide shot when members are voting. he'll play a key role this week. ed? >> thank you, kelly o'donnell on capitol hill today. tomorrow the president is expected to sign the health care bill. it will usher in near universal health care coverage in this country for the first time in the nation's history.

joining me now is one man who has been waiting for this day for a long time. democratic congressman john dingle of michigan, chairman of the house energy and commerce committee. he is the longest serving member in the house and has made a career of fighting for universal health care reform. he is a man after my own heart. he loves to fish. congressman, are you going to go fishing now that you got this bill passed through? >> i'm going to be doing that and a lot of other good things but mostly we in the house have still got to finish the task and then we've got to see to it that this gets off to a proper start. included in that we'll be seeing to it we explain to people the great advantages and benefits of this and its necessity and how it is going to be good for this country. >> well, what is the biggest thing that in your opinion, congressman, after all these years of battling to get health care reform started in this country, what jumps out as

something that the american people can grab on to as the most important thing in your opinion? >> first of all we cover everybody. second of all we see to it that every american is going to know he has or she has health insurance that will be of high quality. health care is not going to be a privilege anymore. it's going to be a right. on top of that we're going to see to it that the abuses of the insurance companies like not covering people with pre-existing conditions or canceling the policy because you get sick will be stomped. in addition we'll benefit and protect medicare. nine more years of medicare. we're going to begin to close the doughnut holes for our retirees and recipients of benefits under the part "d" of medicare and we're going to see to it that the -- everybody in medicare is protected in their

medicare. >> well, how big a deal of this? i understand the historical moment of it all. president obama campaigned on it. it had its peaks and valleys over the last several months. speaker pelosi obviously was involved in getting all of these votes. but from your perspective, you have the decades of experience in washington. put this in perspective, congressman dingle, on what this really means to the american people and also how big an opening is there for us to go even further? >> well, i think we've got to first be able to assimilate what it is we have done. but beyond that, what does it do? first of all, it covers every american, 95% of our population. second of all, it is not only a humanitarian triumph in terms of what it does to helping people, but it is going to solve a massive economic problem. this country is not competitive

because of the fact we don't have programs of this kind. and for the first time our industry is going to be able to compete. small business will receive subsidies and discrimination against small business will be ended. companies like the auto companies putting $1600 into auto -- rather into health care into the autos that they sell while only putting $750 worth of steel are going to see to it that they for the first time are able to begin to compete fairly with our foreign competitors who do not bear this kind of burden. >> congressman, great work. good to have you with us. >> ed, it's always a pleasure to be here. i'm an admirer of yours and thank you for what you do. >> thank you, sir. congressman dingle here with us. more on health care in a moment but first to another story that has made many headlines. reporters finally got to ask tiger woods some tough questions four months after the sex scandal that forced the superstar golfer off the golf

cour course. it was actually just two reporters. one from the golf channel and one from espn. they each got five minutes to ask whatever they wanted and tiger woods did his best to explain what sent him in such a tail spin. >> it was disgusting behavior and, you know, that's a person -- it's hard to believe that was me looking back on it now. >> nbc's peter alexander joins us for more on this from new york. peter, is this just part of him getting mentally ready to come back to play golf? it seems strange that he would give just two short interviews. what's this all about? >> ed, i think this was his first opportunity to show if anything has changed in his life before of course this whole scandal broke he was carefully crafted about his well manicured image as the ultimate family man/athlete. if that was the case i don't think he did that much in that he gave two reporters five minutes total to do this. i think his goal is leading into

the masters the first couple weeks of april, the 8th through the 11th he will now say during the conversations and questioning, hey, i talked about my private stuff. if you want to ask me about golf, if you want to ask me about the birdie on 17 i'll talk to you but i'm not going to talk about elin. i'm not going to talk about the past. i think that was clearly his goal. a lot of people will say that he appeared cordial. he was certainly comfortable but also guarded. didn't give very many new details about certainly not the car crash that thanksgiving night crash or early the next morning. he did, though, have a lot of things to say that a lot of people will be reacting to today including the following. take a listen. >> the truth is very painful at times and to stare at yourself and look at the person you have become, you become disgusted. >> were there moments you thought you should stop but didn't? >> yeah. i tried to stop and i couldn't stop. and it was just horrific. >> among the other interesting facts that are coming out today we're learning more about how this all went down yesterday.

we are hearing from kelly tilghman the reporter from the golf channel that elin was not present during the interviews. it is still unclear whether she will be there next month at the masters. i also spoke with ari fleischer the former white house press secretary's office. he had been working as tiger woods' crisis communications adviser but has withdrawn from working with tiger. he said simply that he was taking away the attention that should have been on tiger and it was being focused on his involvement there and he thought tiger really is the one about whom people should be speaking at this time. finally, ed, cbs had an opportunity to speak to tiger woods as well. they declined and said they wouldn't do an interview with the restrictions they were provided. they say they want an interview in its entirety later but suffice it to say we may have heard the last from tiger woods on these topics. i guess as they go forward according to most sports writers and others tiger is going to say, been there, done that, let's talk golf. >> thanks, peter. if he makes the cut at the mast ersberg i think it will be

amazing. great to have you with us. coming up prom scored a victory when the house passed the health care reform bill last night but it may come at a hefty cost. we'll talk to "the washington post" jonathan capehart about just how much political capital the president has left. and we'll talk to a passenger who was forced to land a small plane after the pilot died in flight. the air traffic controller who helped him will be here as well. >> my pilot's deceased and i need help. unlock a supreme seafood experience with yellowfin

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we have breaking news. an apology from a texas congressman who now admits he called michigan congressman bart stupak a baby killer. during the health care debate

last night on the floor here's what happened. >> those who are shouting out are out of order. >> baby killer. >> nbc's luke russert joins us from capitol hill with the details. luke, do we know who this member is now? >> we do. we do, ed. breaking news we just got. the member is randy neugebauer. i may be mispronouncing the last name but from texas, a three-term congressman, has now admitted to being the guy who yelled out, quote, it's a baby killer. in his apology last night he said last night was the climax of weeks and months on a health care bill my constituents fear and do not support and in the heat of the moment i exclaimed the phrase quote it's a baby killer in reference to the agreement reached by the democratic leadership. while i remain heart broken over the bill and the tragic consequences for the unborn i deeply regret the actions mistakenly interpreted as a direct reference to congressman

stupak himself. i have apologized to mr. stupak and also my colleagues for the manner in which i expressed my disappointment. the house chamber is a place of decorum and respect. the timing and tone of my comment was inappropriate. there you have it, an apology from the congressman, ed, looking back at his record he is very, a fairly conservative congressman from texas. one of ten cosponsors of a bill in june of 2009 that would have required anyone running for the presidency of the united states to disclose their birth certificate at the beginning of the race. so that is something right there. this story actually just broke. i just hustled over from his office. earlier this morning there is a conversation amongst reporters it could possibly be congressman neugebauer. "the washington post", nbc news called his office. we didn't get a response right away. that was a little fishy considering a three-term congressman from texas didn't want to talk to a major news organization right off the bat especially after the health care bill was passed. we waited. we waited. we just got this breaking news. he was the one who yelled, it's

a baby killer. ed? >> luke russert on capitol hill. thanks so much, luke, for that report. >> thank you, sir. >> there is no doubt the president owns this new health care reform legislation even though the republicans will fight to repeal it. i think he has done a tremendous job in getting this reform passed and it has to show a tremendous amount of strength from a leader. he took everything he had to get this thing passed. joining me now live from washington, "the washington post" editorial writer and msnbc contributor jonathan capehart with us today and "new york times" congressional correspondent david herzenhorn. your thoughts on just how big the legislation and how much political capital the president used to get this done. >> there is no question it's a huge victory for president obama. this has been a year-long fight along with the congressional democrats but it's come at a cost. there is no question the country is divided politically and it also showed how hard it is to carry forward legislation like this. so on the one hand there are people who say, this is a

reminder that congress can do big things. the other question, though, is can congress do big things in a collaborative, nonpartisan way? >> jonathan capehart, i found senior adviser david axelrod's comment to politico very interesting. he says as a sub line, as election night was, it wasn't particularly meaningful other than it gave us the opportunity to do meaningful things so to me, this was a much more, in some ways, impactful thing than election night. that says an awful lot. that tells me they put everything they had into getting this deal done. >> absolutely. this is a paramount achievement for the president. it was something he had to get done. remember, the evening that scott brown won the senate seat in massachusetts, everyone was talking about how the democrats were going to have to either start over or slim the bill down to get the more popular, manageable pieces through the congress and the president decided after initially signaling that he would approve

of the go slow approach, just decided to put all of the chips in the middle and go for it big and he did. and he succeeded. but it's going to come at a cost, probably, in november, for democrats in the house. >> well, it's interesting you say that because the president is not going to be wasting any time. he's going to iowa city, iowa later this week. david, your thoughts. has the campaign started? >> there's no question the campaign started probably even before scott brown was elected. everybody is mindful of what a high stakes mid-term election year this is. certainly some democrats were worried about what this vote would mean for them in november. but in the end what you saw is some politically vulnerable folks coming forward and saying, you know what? even if i lose my job, betsy markey of colorado for instance, i want to be able to say i did something big here in congress, so the republicans have already started those attacks and will continue throughout the year. democrats are going to start building a case for why this legislation is good for the country but a lot more skirmishing ahead. >> jonathan capehart, i find it absolutely amazing that the

republicans are going to try to repeal this. when this covers people who could not get insurance before. now, you know, putting it in historical perspective, has any political party -- i can't recall any political party having to go out and making it a central theme of their campaign to win an election and to shift the majority by saying, you know what? we want to take something away from you. >> we want to take a benefit away from you. yeah. i don't get it. maybe, you know, i'm not as much of a political junkie as i thought i was, but the idea that the republican party would run on taking away parents' ability to keep their children on their health insurance until they're 26, keeping people from being dumped from their health insurance policies after they get sick, to me, i don't know how that's a winning strategy for november or 2012. >> david, your thoughts on the

supreme court ruling now? we've got unlimited funds that can go in from corporations. obviously the republicans connected to corporations, they're going to be throwing a lot of weight into this mid term. what do you think we'll see in the coming months? it's going to be a long, hot summer. what do you think? >> it will be a long, hot summer. there is no question we already see an unprecedented amount of advertising and lots of folks are bracing for what that court decision might mean, some legislation in the works on capitol hill to try and set some parameters there for slowing the flow of corporate money into campaigns. but look. the republicans really do believe that this is a dangerous piece of legislation, that the government is reaching too far into the lives of individual citizens and their personal decisions about health care and so i think they feel that they can run confidently on opposing this bill even though it does contain as you said a number of many popular provisions. >> and president obama has said that he wants that fight on the campaign trail. gentlemen, thanks for joining us. jonathan capehart and david

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tomorrow. the president is hoping that will ease tensions between the two nations. there have been rough times recently because of israel's plans for more jewish housing settlements in east jerusalem. here at home residents along the banks of the red river finally getting a little relief. the river crested 19 feet above flood stage but well below the records set last year, just devastated communities then. thousands of volunteers helped fill and stack more than a million sand bags. remember they even had the little kids on their spring break out helping to fill those sand bags and place them. >> you're asking me if i remember? >> you know what? you probably have a long history of sand bagging don't you? >> i have officially retired as a sand bagger. in fact, i threw so many sand bags in fargo i can't even go to the beach anymore. >> beats the gym. >> i tell you what. that community was absolutely phenomenal the way they have pulled together and the volunteer effort was terrific. >> yeah, it was. nice to see. >> nice to see you, contessa. thank you. coming up, white house press secretary robert gibbs the day after the big health care vote took place. he will hold his daily briefing

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it's been quite an experience and of course he's going to iowa city in iowa where this whole thing started where he started talking about health care reform and iowa is such a symbolic place, obviously not just for where the first votes were but there was a long, long period through 2007 where people weren't just saying he didn't have the experience they were saying he wouldn't get the nomination. his numbers were flat lining. there is a closing of the circle here by going back to where it started. >> what does this do to the president politically? does this just bounce him right up to a position where he can take on any issue right now, now that they've gotten this through? >> i think that may be a little bit too much audacity of hope right there. look, there has to be some reality in terms of what republicans are prepared to do. you cannot drive everything through the way health care went through, not every fight is

going to be to the death like this. and republicans have clearly said not only have they not cooperated so far but the well has been poisoned is the phrase coming out of senate republicans, so there's going to be limited areas i think where they can move together. there were a number of republican senators in the white house before the health care vote talking about energy and climate change. there are going to be discreet things for instance jobs bills i would expect them to work together but some of the big stuff, immigration, a big protest on saturday. i don't think you'll see significant movement there. so no the president can't do what he wants. >> will we get the back story on the executive order and how that all came down and what it really means and how the white house feels about it? >> i think the back story is what you're seeing up front here, which is that they had to get this last block over the finishing line, the stupak voters, and the folks with him, and the executive order in the white house's view doesn't

change anything from the current position of the senate legislation, so i don't know that there's a huge amount beyond what we've heard already from people like chuck todd, that the white house lawyer was intimately involved with this. obviously this was a card the white house could have played at any stage. they timed it really very well. >> thank you, richard. msnbc analyst richard wolffe at the white house with us here on msnbc. a number of state attorneys general plan to sue the federal government on the grounds that the health care bill is unconstitutional. henry mcmaster is one of those attorneys general. he will join me now live from the state of south carolina. mr. mcmaster, great to have you with us on msnbc. why are you going down this road of suing the federal government if this becomes law? >> well, that's the only way we can stop it. we think it's unconstitutional. it's a great stretch of the commerce clause of the

constitution to believe that this is even remotely allowed by the constitution. we see it as a threat to the sovereignty of the states and the liberty of the people and the only way we have now to stop it is by bringing this lawsuit so that's what we plan to do tomorrow in florida with the attorney general bill mcconnell and others. >> how many other attorneys general across the country are going to do this? >> we don't know for sure. we had over a dozen on a conference call last night and we understand that there are others as well that are required by law to bring a case under circumstances like this so we think there will probably be a lot of them all based on the same thing, unconstitutionality of the law, but we know we will be filing with attorney general bill mcconnell in florida in u.s. district court probably tomorrow. >> what's unconstitutional in your opinion? is it the mandate? >> yes. it's the individual mandate. of course with the cornhusker kickback, there's a group of 15

of us who asserted that that was unconstitutional. we see now that may finally not be in the final law when it is passed, but the individual mandate to have the federal government telling somebody, telling every citizen, that they can't do nothing, that is they have to do something, if they do nothing they're penalized with a fine, or they have to go out and buy health insurance, is something we believe is nowhere allowed by the constitution. in fact, it's prohibited by the tenth amendment. again, it's a threat to state sovereignty, individual liberty, and we have no choice but to file suit to stop it because if the congress can do this then they can do anything. that is, there's no limit. the constitution was not set up that way. the country is not supposed to work that way. the states are supposed to have a major role to play and this is contrary to all of that. >> so federal law in this case based on the amendment you cited does not supersede state law? >> that's right. well, the congress can only do things allowed by the

constitution. there have been hundreds of federal statutes passed since the country was founded that violated the constitution and the u.s. supreme court or other courts have said so. that's what we're asking to happen this time. >> and you are seeking the gop nomination to run for governor. how much does that have to do with this action? >> well, this is the right thing to do and we have a lot of attorneys general who are not seeking anything, some i don't know if they are even seeking re-election. but this is the right thing to do. the politics in this are -- >> do you think you can defeat health care reform going down this road? >> i think that this bill if it -- when it becomes law will be found unconstitutional by a court because it is nowhere allowed in the u.s. constitution for the congress to tell somebody they've got to buy health insurance. >> mr. mcmaster, appreciate your time today. thanks so much. >> thank you, sir. >> you bet. let the ad wars begin. both parties looking now to spin health care reform to their

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one group is already launching a million dollar ad campaign, thanking 14 potentially vulnerable house democrats for voting yes to the health bill. >> to influence members of congress the insurance companies hired 2,049 lobbyists to try and get their way. but the insurance companies didn't win. because congressman allen boyd said no to big insurance and yes to standing up for us. >> karen finney is a democratic strategist and msnbc analyst and john feury is a republican strategist. good to have you both here. it seems to me the state of south carolina is shaking everything up. we just had the attorney general on saying he's going to constitutionally challenge it. now we've got senator jim demint saying that he wants to repeal the bill. this bill is unconstitutional, he says, and it cannot be fixed. it must be repealed. the battle for health care freedom is not over and i will introduce legislation this week

to repeal this health takeover. john, do you stand on that line? >> well, ed, i think it's going to be awfully hard to repeal this bill as long as president obama is president. i think if republicans want to do something along those lines they'll have to come up with a very good strategy to get to different parts of that bill and repeal the most onerous parts. i think you said earlier in the program, that's awfully hard to repeal things that are politically popular. i give you a perfect example. nancy pelosi promised to repeal the prescription drug benefit and, you know, didn't and couldn't. and i think that you have to be very clever in how you strategize on these types of things. now, there's a lot of anger out there especially among republicans and independent voters thch voters. they do not want to see these big taxes go into effect. i think you'll see republicans continue to harp on this and mobilize their voters and i think it's going to have an effect on the elections. >> karen, what do you think?

>> you know, last night before the gavel even hit the block we saw e-mails going out from both sides, republicans talking about repeals and betrails ayals and s what you'll see. democrats are framing this as making good on a promise they made to the american people and it gives them something concrete to run on in that "yes we can" message. republicans are going to continue to pursue this strategy of we need to repeal it. we need to attack it. the thing, ed, i think we saw in the context of this debate is the republicans seem to be appealing more and more to that far right fringe of their base and the base of their party is shrinking. are they going to continue to try and, you know, bring in that tea party base, which i think does not come without political consequences? because moderates don't like the kind of talk and kind of chicanery we saw over the weekend. for the republicans i'm not sure it is going to be a winning strategy to just attack and have the message be "no reform." >> john feehery how many house seats do you think will be lost over last night's vote by the

democrats? >> boy, ed, i don't know. i think that it's not going to be just this vote. i think it's going to be spending at large. i think it's going to be the slowing economy. i think it's going to be disgust with the politicians in general. >> as things stand right now do you think the republicans will pick up a lot of seats? >> i do. i think they'll pick up between 45 and 50 seats because of the variety of things i just mentioned. but that's my prediction, yes. >> john, what message -- i mean, how are republicans going to pick up seats with a message that says we blocked this. we said no to that with no fresh ideas? we saw, that did not work in the last election. people said wait a second. we want to hear some fresh ideas. democrats can now go back with some ideas. >> i think they're going to say we need to be a check -- we will be a check on president obama's large spending ways. we need someone to be a check on the democrats. they've gone too far too fast and are spending too much and we are facing bankruptcy as a nation. >> and only time will tell if the tea party has a bad effect on the gop. this is rahm emanuel and his response to all of that.

>> i think the republicans have a level of energy but inside that energy is their own problem and fissures and they are basically at the behest of a fringe group taking kroefl the party and their leaders are scared of it. >> do you agree, karen? >> absolutely. the tea partiers are pulling the republican party farther and farther to the right more and more to the fringe so moderate republicans, we're already seeing this play itself out in a number of races across the country. i can think of one in missouri 8 where the republicans, the challenger is pushing the republican farther and farther to the right and she is trying to keep her support on the right because she has a tea party challenger. >> john, are the tea partiers baggage for republicans? >> you know, ed, i don't think so. i think tea partiers and the main stream conservatives and others, there are a lot of disagreements among the group. no doubt about it. the one thing they agree on is that the president has overreached and we need to check on his overreaching because the

country is at stake. >> john, how can your candidates align themselves with that kind of hate speech and have any kind of positive message? >> karen, you know better than anybody the democrat party is a big coalition and they all came together because they disliked george bush so much. >> we came together frankly to pass health care reform, john. >> you didn't actually come together. you had about 35 democrats who voted -- >> thank you, karen and john. it's still a hot topic, folks. >> thank you. >> coming up, a pilot dies while in flight forcing a passenger to take the controls and try to land the aircraft. well, up next, we'll talk to the passenger and one of the hero air traffic controllers who helped save his life. if you're taking 8 extra-strength tylenol...

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six air traffic controllers will be honored tonight for working together to avert an aviation disaster. this is an incredible story. it's a great story about americans working together to

get a successful outcome. doug white and his family were passengers in a private plane last april when the pilot suddenly passed away, died. white grabbed the radio and begged for help. as the plane climbed higher and higher. >> i've already busted 10,000. i'm steady climbing. i need to stop the climb. all right. >> disengage the auto pilot. we're going to have you hand fly the plane. >> you find me the longest, widest runway you can, ma'am. >> i am joined now by the pair of voices you just heard on that aviation call, that call for help, and it's air traffic controller lisa grimm in orlando, florida with us and the man at the controls of that plane, doug white, joins me on the phone. first of all, mr. white, thanks for joining us. what did you -- what happened in the cockpit? >> you talking about at the beginning of the emergency? >> right at the beginning of the

emergency. >> oh, we were in climb and had just gone through a cloud layer and you'll hear the whole tape, at the beginning you hear joe the pilot trying to call miami center. he just runs out of air. and i don't specifically remember hearing that because i'm just kind of looking out the window, you know, we hadn't been off the ground five minutes but i either heard that or i heard when nate, the first controller, tried to get ahold of us a couple times. something didn't sound right. but whatever it was, made me look directly at joe. >> you were in a twin engine king air. were you in the back as a passenger or were you right seating this aircraft? >> i was in the right front seat beside the pilot. >> okay. lisa grimm, this is a real story about team work with air traffic controllers acting quickly to avert a disaster. how did you handle this? what happened? >> well, there was quite a lot of controllers in the

surrounding sectors in the air space that worked together to try to move the planes away from where doug white was. we wanted to make sure that whatever happened with that airplane that we had plenty of room and air space to work with and then i was in a different area and they wanted to get me over there as quickly as i can since i had piloting experience to get on the radio and start talking to doug and see if we could get him to take control of the plane and the situation as much as possible. >> now, a twin engine king air is a sophisticated aircraft. did you have time in that aircraft? >> i had some minimal time in an actual king air. i've had a couple hundred hours in other complex turboprop airplanes as well as the learjet but totally different type of aircraft than this king air. >> mr. white, did you think you were going to be able to put that plane down? >> well, i never thought about it one way or the other. i just thought about trying. you know, i never did consider being successful, never even

considered failing. i just kind of got focused and kind of like the old saying, somebody's got to do something. so i was going to try. if we were going to die we were going to die trying not to. >> you got a successful conclusion. i appreciate your time. lisa grimm and the other five air traffic controllers involved, congratulations on your award and the great work that the air traffic controllers do. thanks so much for joining us. >> thank you. speaking right now is robert gibbs at the white house. let's join it. >> -- for a late morning bill signing, weather permitting, outside, probably on the south lawn. as of the last sort of update i got, it would be logistically tough to go off campus but also if the weather doesn't cooperate it might be logistically difficult. i think each and every member of

the house and senate that supported health care reform will be invited. i expect that many of them will attend. i also believe the president will have with him many of the stories that he's given attention to over the course of the past year to help demonstrate exactly why the president did what he did for so long and who this impacts the most. jeff? >> two questions. one on health care and one other. what's the white house's reaction to the states that have threatened to sue over this legislation? is that something that the president and the team are taking seriously? >> you know, i heard a little discussion about this this morning on television. my sense is that a lot of big pieces of legislation are challenged in some ways. we certainly have -- you've seen the intent of some to do -- to

challenge this legislation on grounds we don't think will be very successful. >> you don't think their suits will be very successful? >> we don't. >> is there any kind of a plan or reaction to deal with that? >> well, i assume there are many things we will deal with in the coming weeks, months, and years ahead as health care reform is implemented, but i think that, you know, some of the states and some of the players might end up being kind of curious but, again, i think that pretty long standing precedent on the constitutionality of this. my second question is on google in china. if google does decide to pull out of china what effect would that have on u.s./chinese relations? >> well, let me not get ahead of

somethi something -- we'll have a chance to maybe discuss that later on. look, i think you heard the president enunciate quite clearly china policy and a belief that open government and the ability to communicate among people without the censorship of government is tremendously important. so it may be, as there are in some issues, that we in a mature, diplomatic relationship, have disagreements. but i don't want to get ahead of something. we may have a chance to discuss that later. >> thursday you guys are going to iowa to the president's going to talk about health care reform and i know you recall 2007 when the president, then senator was there and introduced his health care proposal.

if you look at what he announced in 2007 and what is law or will be law as of tomorrow, there are a lot of similarities but also a lot of striking differences in terms of whether or not there is universal coverage, whether individual family premiums will be down $2500. is this just what happens when ideals meet the pragmatic politics? or why are such differences between what the president proposed two years ago and -- >> well, look. obviously, what you propose and what goes through the system sometimes changes. i think the promise the president played out in may of 2007 and talked about even before laying out a specific policy was that we should not, in a country like the