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there, who, with all the noise, got concerned because of the misinformation that has marred this debate. i just repeat, don't take my word for it. go to our website, go to the websites of major news outlets out there. find out how reform will affect you and i'm confident you will like what you see. a common sense approach that maintains the insurance system, but makes it work for everybody. not just for the insurance companies, but for you. that's what health reform is all about. now, as long as a road as this has been, we all know our journey's far from over. there's still the work to do to rebuild this economy. there's still work to do to spur on hiring. there's work to do to improve our schools and make sure every child has a decent education. there's still work to do to reduce our dependence on foreign
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oil, to provide economic security. so this victory does not erase the many serious challenges we face as a nation. those challenges have been allowed to linger for years, even decades. we're not going to solve them all overnight, but as we talk l all these other challenges, we can take our next steps with new confidence. with a new wind at our backs. because we know it's still possible to do big things in america. because we know it's still possible to rise above the skepticism, the fear, because we know it's still possible to fulfill our duty to one another and the future generations, so yes, this has been a difficult two years. there will be difficult days ahead, but let us always remember the lesson of this day and the lesson of history, that we as a people do not shrink
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from a challenge. we overcome it. we don't shrink from our responsibleties, we embrace it. we don't fear the future, we shape the future. that's what we do, that's who we are. that makes us the united states of america! god bless you and god bless the united states of america! thank you. >> a rousing campaign wrap-up there as the president hugs the vice president. he's at the interior department, hugging vicki kennedy. reprising what he had done earlier at the east room of the white house. this has been a day of great moment for democrats. but in a break from most historic bill signings, there was not a single republican in the white house east room when that measure was signed. another bit of evidence of just how partisan is divide is.
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melody barnes is going to join us from the white house to talk about a moe mentous day from everybody on the president's team. there was so many overtones of teddy kennedy. not only vicki's presence, but caroline kennedy and her son, jack, in the room today. patrick kennedy, teddy's son. this was one for teddy kennedy and you worked with him on the hill. i want to begin with that and the legacy that was teddy kennedy's that was achieved by this president. >> absolutely, first, thank you for having me. all of us, certainly the president, was thinking about senator kennedy today. as vicki said, the senator always believed that this president working with this speaker, majority leader and
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speaker, could bring this to fru fruition. we had to do this for american families that have been struggling with the high costs of health care. we have to do it for businesses that were buckling under the high cost of health care and for the country. it's a proud moment and i know senator kennedy is smiling on us today. >> and this was a moment for women in political power because not only you and your colleagues in the white house working around this president, but first of all, let me show you a picture of hillary clinton in the situation room on sunday. it was released by the white house. this is hillary clinton reacting to the word with president obama that they were in the final stages and health care was finally going to be passed. a lot has changed since those very bitter campaign days and she seemed to be really reveling in a joint victory for something she and her husband failed to
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accomplish more than a decade ago. >> this has been a team effort. you talk about the wonderful women that have been working with the president. secretary kathleen sebelius, the head of the human services department, nancy-ann deparle, all of us working together, working with this president because we know how important this is for the american people. now that this bill has been signed into law, we know that children with preexisting conditions are going to have health care. we know that young people can stay on their parents' health care insurance policy up until they're 26. we know that small business owners are going to be able to provide health care for themselves and their employees and that seniors are going to be able to afford prescription drugs. these are things that are going to happen this year. going to happen because the president used the stroke of a pen and signed this into law today. >> now, there are still some big
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challenges. in mentioning women, no one more so than nancy pelosi muscling this through. let's talk about the challenges because now that it is out of the house, the senate is going to be picking this up today. democrats won a big one last night according to lawrence o'donnell, who broke the story last night. he reported that the senate had voted with the drats on whether or not the social security piece had to be stripped out. with that said, there are going to be more challenges down the road. are you confident that you can hold on to that 219? >> we are very, very confident. we know, as you were saying, speaker pelosi did a good job of bringing these two bills out of the house. we feel confident that we have the votes to get this done and you know, what people would be pushing back on are the things that we were just talking about.
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do you know want to say to people that the improvements we are making to this bill to make it more affordable, to assure consumer protections are now things we're going to deny the american people? people aren't going to want to do that. >> i've got to ask you about something that happened in the white house. in the enthusiasm of the moment, the vice president, joe biden, was introducing the president. let me show you, we've cleaned it up a little bit, of how excited he was about passage of health care. [ bleep ]. >> what can you say? >> i couldn't hear it that well. >> it's a good thing because your mother would have blushed. >> but i can tell you from being in that room, it was warm and happy.
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people were thrilled because we know we've been trying to do this for decade after decade. being there with people like john dingle, who has been in the house for over 40 years trying to move these issues forward. being there with the kennedy family. so many people trying so hard. it was a moment of exuberance and excitement for all. >> i can understand that. it's that old open mike syndrome. congratulations to you. i know you've got a lot of hard work. it's been a very big day. thanks. as we pointed out, the senate does still have its say on this reconciliation bill designed to fix reform. that debate will get underway this afternoon. luke russert is live on capitol hill as he has been day and night all weekend for every, every stretch of the way.
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luke, what next in the senate as they approach this debate? harry reid's got to keep his team in tact. >> he does, andrea. i thought it was interesting today when president obama said to harry reid, we have to pass these fixes. it got a loud, standing ovation. the only reason why there is this ceremony today is that house democrats feel confident enough they will alter the bill. so what happens, at 2:15, the senate takes up debate on this bill, 20 hours of debate and within these 20 hours, republicans will try and mount challenges to this bill on whether or not it fits within the realm of reconciliation. republicans are confident they will be able to cut out a few of these things. that would then send the bill back to the house. now, house democrats are confident that this 219 they've
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had, 220 with the fix bill, will still be there. that being said, it drags out the process another week. they leave for passover and easter on monday. they want to get this done beforehand so they can use the two-week recess to sell the bill and put to rest all the republican opposition against it. republicans want to drag it out because the longer this bill is in the news, the longer before it is passed 110% completely the way democrats want it, the longer they can say that democrats can't get it done and the longer the nebraska co cornhusker kickbacks stay there. >> and luke, what is it about religious holidays and holidays like this christmas eve vote in the senate and now you're going to have an easter deadline here in the house, i guarantee you. >> our good friend, kelly o'donnell, calls it the holiday
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health care bill. we seem to have hit almost every type of holiday. it was supposed to be done in august. then halloween. then thanksgiving. then christmas. then st. patrick's day. now, it's easter. let's hope it's now finally over. i think that's what democrats and most of a lot of republicans would want. they're pretty much exhausted up here. >> and the reporters, too, i should suspect. thank you very much. meanwhile, israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu remains defiant on what he calls israel's right to keep building in arab east jerusalem. >> the jewish people built 3,000 years ago and are building today. jerusalem is not a settlement.
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it's our capital. >> ahead of his meeting later today, about 5:30 this afternoon with president obama. chuck todd is nbc's correspondent. we've seen netanyahu on the hill where he has a lot of support, but so far, hillary clinton and he met yesterday in private. they canceled the photo opportunity. he met earlier today, as i say, with boehner and pelosi on the hill, but when he seeing the president for a second time in a row, he's going to be without cameras. this indicates this breach has not been healed. >> i've talked to senior officials who say, yes, we should read something into this. that if things were going swimmingly, we would see them. there would be a camera, some sort of formal reception of some
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form of another, sitting in these yellow captain's chairs when a president hosts a head of state from another country. look, there is some friction going on. i'm told it's going to be a pretty tough conversation that the two are going to have. it may, at times, but only the two of them. staff last night, he had dinner with the vice president and we got a very, very, i would say, cryptic readout of that where you read between lines and it was not everybody appeared to be on the same page. >> indeed, they're not. a big day at the white house. obama's -- president obama's probably lucky in another way that health care is going to overwhelm the story of the israeli problems with the prime minister, who is not backing down. >> remember, he was coming here any way. the original schedule just a week ago, we were going to be in jakarta today, so you know, it's not as if this is a snub.
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the president did at least add this meeting on his schedule when he knew he was going to be in town. >> well, i'm sure the independe not happy about the president not being there. join chuck and savannah everybody morning at 9:00 a.m. and the health care fight moves to the senate now, setting up one big battle. we'll speak with tom daschle. also today, tim geithner calling for an overhaul of the nation's mortgage system. time to end the ambiguity over the government's involvement fannie and freddie. a car & driver 10best for the third year in a row. ♪
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the president signed health reform into law today capping one of the wildest congressional battles in recent memory. with us now, former senate majority leader, tom daschle. thank you so much. it's great to see you. you were one of the leaders who made this a prime part of barack obama's campaign. now you've seen it come to fruition. i have to ask you how you feel. >> this is such an historic moment, andrea. this is something many of us live for for an entire lifetime. i've been struggling on this for 20 years. some people longer. john dingle, 40 years. it's a moment we'll remember the rest of our lives and will impact america for the rest of our lives. >> you're facing what's going to happen this afternoon in the senate, just how hairy is it
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going to be for harry reid with all these challenges? the amendment attempts and par lamentry challenges? >> first of all, he wants to be sure he knows where he is and i know he's been working to do that. secondly, he's going to need a lot of good, caucus discipline. as they go through the votes, they're going to have to do that. third, he's going to have to play the schedule against the recess. he'll want to be sure by saturday, we've played this out, so that people can keep their schedules and move on to other things. >> well, by playing the schedule against the recess, it's to his advantage that there is a natural deadline of passover and easter, but what if it looks like it's going to have to go back to the house? >> well, i think if that happens, there's plenty of opportunities for us to take a second vote. i don't think that's going to
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happen, but if it does, it's simply an up and down vote in the house. my guess is that it's something minor. when that happens, i'm sure we'll have the votes. when and if we'd have to have them. >> now, 13 state attorneys general, and you're a lawyer, you know the implications of this, are going to take challenges against the bill assuming it gets through the senate, that they say that the individual mandate is uninstitutiu unconstitutional. how does that face down? >> i will say this. i think over the course of the last 40 years, we've faced many of these very same issues and on virtually every single occasion, the courts have ruled in favor of the federal government. there's a great deal of authority within the constitution to take actions of this kind. we've done it before and i'm sure this will stand as well.
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>> there's going to be a rally with sarah palin in search light, nevada, his hometown, this saturday. he's facing tea party opposition and the latest poll from cbs news today shows he has a favorable rating of only 8%. unfavorable of 23%. that's pretty tough going into a re-election campaign back home. >> well, he's been through tough elections in the past. he won one by fewer than 500 votes. the opposition is very splintered. you've got a third party, the democrats are going to be there very, very cohesively. it's highly unlikely eight months from now, you'll see harry reid re-elected to another term. >> do you think that health care is going to be a net plus or minus?
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looking at how the republicans are ganging up on nancy pelosi, fire pelosi, is this going to defeat the democrats in november? >> i think david frum, the republican speech writer, had it right. the other day, he said the republicans do this at their own per peril, that this could be their own waterloo. we've been is republicans run against a caricature. now, they're going to have to run against the real thing. the president, this morning, laid this out in detail on what this means. i think this is going to be a big political plus. >> speaking of big political plus, we've got a tweet from robert gibbs, who is saying that joe biden is right. that it is a big blank deal. let me show you how joe biden introduced the president in the east room. this was the enthusiasm of the moment, but in front of an open
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microphone. [ bleep ]. >> so, that was the vice president. wore blue bracelets similar to lance armstrong's given to him by vicki. live strong, rather. that lance armstrong wore, given to him by vicki, but in fact, gibbs has also tweeted that joe biden was right. this is a big blank deal. >> it is. there's a tremendous amount of exuberance and relief. that has been a 14-month struggle and has been very, very hard. it was on life support several times, but the president did it. the congress did it. the american people did it. you've got to forgive those who may be a little more exuberant. we'll say and do things in that
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spirit that we may not otherwise do. we can all be forgiven. this is an extraordinary moment for our country and i'm as pleased as could be. >> and as gibbs tweeted, yes, mr. vice president, you are right and so be it. thanks very much. great to see you. what is the republican strategy now that the bill has actually passed? politico's eamon javers will join us. and nothing can keep newt gingrich from voicing his plan. here's what he told a camera crew yesterday. >> this is a big bureaucracy, high tax, high litigation bill that will further weaken the economy. this is a ruthlessly chicago machine kind of approach that is fund mentally wrong. [ female announcer ] the latest athletic fabrics
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republican strategy to oppose health care reform failed and now, they're rallying behind a new mantra. repeal and replace. eamon, thanks so much. they are targeting nancy pelosi. let's listen to michael steele this morning on "morning joe." >> this is her bill. she crafted it. she's the one who pulled this out of the fire for the president after the scott brown election, not the white house. so, nancy pelosi owns this as much as anyone else. >> that was the "today" show. the republican website today says fire pelosi. they've nearly reached their goal, they claim, of the money they've been trying to raise to raise money against her. how is this going to work? >> look, this is what you do when you're trying to energize
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your base. you take on the speaker of the house. it reminds me of what democrats did to newt gingrich in the late 1990s. you personalize them as somebody who stands against everything you stand for. you rally your base by saying, if we get enough victories in the fall, we can remove this person and get another. republicans think john boehner should be the speaker of the house next year. >> how about the fact that senator mccain says he won't work with the democrats, the house, the president on anything. not even immigration reform. he's basically saying any kind of agreement with the democrats is over. >> he faces a difficult situation in arizona. he's got a primary challenge from j.d. heyworth. he's ralrely compromises with te
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obama administration, which is extremely unpopular. the danger for republicans, the balance to have to walk, is to look as if they're being responsible at the same time they say they're not going to cooperate. how you can legislate and refuse to cooperate is a tricky balance. >> and they, of course, have the 13 attorneys general, 13 states like virginia where you've got very conservative lawyers arguing that this is an individual mandate that is unconstitutional. so you're going to see these lawsuits in various states and that's going to get a lot of play. >> it is. and that's going to take a long time to play out, but the question here is whether the u.s. constitution allows the government -- car insurance, because you don't have to buy a car, but to mandate people buy health insurance is a different thing because everybody's got a
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body, everybody's got health. we'll see where that goes, but that's going to go through the the courts over a long period of time and will provide republicans an opportunity to keep hitting the legislation. the democrats have -- plays bet r for them. they're going to stake the house on it. >> and that is going to be the debate we have all summer and fall. thank you. meanwhile, a busy day in washington, but across the border, secretary of state hillary clinton, bob gates, janet napolitano, a host of other top administration officials, cabinet members, all addressing the escalating drug wars in meetings today. plus, as benjamin netanyahu heads to the white house for talks with the president, we'll be talking with the former u.s. ambassador to israel. ♪ but i am holding half an acre ♪
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mexico with a contingent of top u.s. cabinet officials to discuss that country's increasing drug violence along the border. google the drawing the wrath of the chinese government. china's citizens are being redistricted to the hong kong service where there is no requirement to sensor services. hong kong could be targeted next. and the united kingdom will expel an israeli diplomat over the use of forged british passpopas passports in the assassination of a leader. they have asked the agency of the killing. just moments ago, benjamin netanyahu said peace talks could be delayed for another year unless palestinians draft their demand that all settlements be frozen. despite obss, he has refused to
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bend on that issue. >> everyone knows that these neighborhoods will be part of israel in any peace settlement. and therefore, building in them in no way precludes the possibility of a two-state solution. >> former ambassador, martin indyk, is now director of foreign policy at brookings. we welcome you to talk about this very difficult time in israeli-u.s. relations. right now, netanyahu has refused to yield. he's getting support in meetings on the hill from nancy pelosi, boehner. but certainly not from hillary clinton. in her speech to the pro-israel group last night and you can expect that the meeting with the president will be tense at best. why is netanyahu being as tough as he is being and not giving a
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little bit more courtesy to american objections and to the diplomacy? >> well, i think you actually have to read between the lines here. when he beats his chest and says we're going to build in these suburbs that are going to be part of israel in any solution, he's talk about building in the jewish suburbs of east jerusalem. he's making a distinction between those and the arab suburbs of east jerusalem. >> but he's not willing to say they're giving up the right to this. he's not giving the palestinians enough cover to come back to negotiations, at least right now. >> well, that's not clear. it's not clear that the palestinians are not willing to engage in the proximity talks. i think it depends on what happens when he leaves washington and goes back home.
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whether there will be new announcements of tenders for building, whether there will be new building activity in arab suburbs of jerusalem or demolitions. what will count will be what happens on the ground. i think that netanyahu understands very clearly and i would assume you'll hear it from the president tonight, that if he takes both kinds of actions that produced this current crisis, he'll have another crisis in u.s.-israeli relations and i think all of his ministers understand that, too. that's why we've seen in the last few days, something which doesn't get any publicity here, but it is in the israeli press, that a lot of different meetings, zoning committee meetings, have been deferred. delayed. and i think on the one hand, as he thumps his chest to show to
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his right wing in israel that he's not making concessions in building in jewish suburbs, but on the other hand, we need to watch what happens elsewhere in jerusalem. i think that will be the real test. >> and what should the message be from the president when they meet today? >> i think that there should be two. number one, you know, i'm deadly serious about stopping iran from getting nuclear weapons. that's what you care about. that's what i care about. but in order for us to be successful with that common objective, we need you to do your part in your neighborhood, which means calming things down. it means getting serious about negotiations with the palestinians and syrians as well, so that we can, together, move forward on both fronts
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simultaneously. the more we can get something moving that's credible between the palestinians and syrians, the more we will help to pressure the rai iranians and t less chance they'll cause trouble in your neck of the woods, either through hamas and hezbollah. it's that that i think the president should emphasize to netanyahu. we're going to work on the thing that matters to both of us, but you've got to help us by getting serious about peace negotiations. >> thank you very much. as the next chapter in the health care saga begins, just how ugly will the tone get in washington? stay with us. so heading to the doctor
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here with us now, democratic strategist, bob shrum, and pat buchanan. let me show you joe biden introduce i introducing the president in the east room surrounded by microphones and cameras and this is what happened. [ bleep ]. >> shrum, i think i hear you laughing. >> he was right, but i suspect if he'd known the mike was on he wouldn't have said it that way. it is a very big day. it's a singular day in the progress toward social justice in this country. i think it's very much a turning point for the obama administration. republicans in the politics have peaked eight months too early and i think we're going to see more significant progress from president and the republicans are going to be in some trouble
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by november because people are going to know what's really in this health care bill and if they run around saying they're going to repeal things, they're going to be in big trouble. >> pat? >> i think this is the finest moment of joe biden -- he started mocking how the chief justice gave the oath and the president had to shut him down. it is a great victory for nancy pelosi, the democratic party, but there wasn't a single republican or conservative in that room. >> what does that tell us? >> that the nation the deeply divided. this president, on this issue, is disapproved of by 50% of the american people. the president went from 76% approval down to 46. i do agree that this idea of repeal -- >> what a victory, pat.
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>> you cannot say we're going to wipe it all out because as shrum says, there are some good aspects in here. i think repeal and reform is an excellent argument that republicans can reunit on in november. >> p sarah palin is a big factor this weekend. she's going to be in search light, nevada and going to arizona for mccain. this is her facebook posting today. we're going to reclaim the power of the people from those who disregarded the will of the people. we're going to fire them and send them back to the private sector. maybe when they join the millions of unemployed, they'll understand why americans wanted them to focus on job creation. come november, we're going to print pink slips for members of congress as fast as they've been printing money. shrum, does she have a
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responsive cord there? >> the republicans are going to make a very big mistake over the next few months if they stand there and sound like they have a know nothing opposition toward it. when you listen to what sarah palin is saying, the reason there was a massive shrinkage in the private sector was because george w. bush left us with a recession that almost became a depressi depression. we're entering into a period of recovery. we're going to see job growth in the next few months. when people see what's in this health care bill, when they see the economy recovering, when they see a republican party -- it didn't influence the vote number one and the content of the bill and number two, it's left itself politically exposed, i think republicans are going to have a much less happy night in november. >> what if harry reid, pat, is
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able to muscle this through the senate and with 52 votes, whatever, it doesn't have to go back to the house. >> i don't think this is very important, to be honest. i think the bill has been passed. about sarah palin, the interesting thing there, what is she doing going back to arizona? >> loyalty. >> i commend her for that. does he have more trouble with hayworth than the polls show? that's mccain saying they will fight everything obama does. this should tell you that mccain believes that conservatives and the middle of the road, even in arizona, is very hostile to barack obama and he better get on that side. >> bob, let me ask you a foreign
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policy question. great britain today asked an israeli diplomat to leave because of what we were told were very suspicious circumstances. 12 british passports involved in the alleged asassins in dubai. according to great britain, only mehs mehsud, the israeli spy agency could have done anything this expert. >> i assume the israelis will take this in stride. your previous guest was right. there's a need for the israelis to create a kind of conditions in which negotiations can move forward and the u.s. can do something about nuclear weapons. by the way, mccain in deep
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trouble and there's a good chance he's going to lose this primary. >> we're going to hold to that. >> doing that to the brits, for heaven's sakes? i think -- i think this thing has stopped the past week's battle. i think there's some new battles coming ahead. >> i think you're right. pat buchanan, bob shrum, thank you both very much. what political story will be making headlines in the last 24 hours? has legendary buzz aldrin finally met his match? his cha cha left the judges less than impressed. he finished in last place with one judge telling him it looked like he was still wearing his moon boots. so many arthritis pain relievers -- i just want fewer pills and relief that lasts all day. take 2 extra strength tylenol every 4 to 6 hours?!?
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so what political story will be making headlines in the next 24 hours? chris alyssa, "washington post" national politico reporter and author of "the fix" joins us now. chris, it's got to be the passage of health care. where do you take it now? to the senate? >> i think where we're taking it, i take it to the political sphere. i think what we're seeing in the next couple weeks, this is a very smart move frankly in retrospect by president obama to suspend his trip to asia. he signed the bill today. the clock starts picking politically. selling this bill is critically important to house and senate democrats. also important to president obama, but he has a little bit more time to sell it. they have six or so months before the election to convince the american public that this bill is going to do good things for them, not make their lives in terms of their health care more complicated. it's not an easy sell. a cnn poll came out in the midst of all this debate, so take it with a grain of salt. but it showed 38% or so supported, 50 plus percent opposed. my guess will be those numbers will bump up.
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i think the support will bump up. this is a good moment for president obama. he's getting a lot of positive press here, andrea. they need to turn this around as they get closer to the mid-terms. and that work starts today. >> and that work starts today, but he also has to -- he has to change the conversation to make it more of an economic argument. because he is subject to some concerns within the white house, that they have not addressed the overriding concerns of the american people. >> and you know, andrea, they've tried out the health care bill as a jobs bill line. but they haven't been able to sell it all that well to date. it doesn't mean they can't sell it. again, they have to package this as part of helping small businesses to hire, driving job creation in the economy. ultimately polls still suggest that's what the american people are most focused on. unemployment, the economy and jobs even more so than health care. >> indeed. read more from chris on his blog at voices.washingtonpost.com/thefix . in setting up the conversation
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between bob shrum and pat buchanan i talked about the nasty tone in washington that said they could be coming to square off. they were better than their introduction. thank you for that. that does it for this edition of "andrea mitchell reports." follow the show online and on twitter. this is msnbc, "the place for politics." to finish what you started today. for the aches and sleeplessness in between, there's new motrin pm. no other medicine, not even advil pm, is more effective for pain and sleeplessness. new motrin pm.
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