>> yeah. >> i don't know. i reserve the right. you're innocent until proven guilty. we still let you be innocent in prison until proven guilty, sometimes. we'll be back. >> okay. >> he still got bad opinions of me, man. you can't change it, you know what i mean. i've got to get away from here. >> i really thought wallace was hot. i really did. i really thought wallace was hot. ty, who knows. ty may have had a chance to beat the test. i don't know. >> true to his word, ty ryan did beat the drug test and has no intention of changing his behavior. >> drug test results. >> i'm clean. >> how do you know? >> they done locked folks up

dirty. >> what? >> they lock the folks up dirty. >> you want to tell us how you pulled that one off? >> no. [ bleep ] you've got to stay on your ps and qs. >> straight up. >> you pass. >> there's a way to get by anything. you got, be on it. you all know what happened. >> coming to terms with the consequences of his crime, horace has a change of heart and agrees to be on camera and discuss the stabbing. >> it's something that shouldn't have happened. we're all grown men in this prison. we should have worked our problems out, talked them out, instead of resorting to something like that

. greed is not good. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. leading off tonight, wall street showdown. wall street reform is a fight president obama and the democrats are happy to have and figure to win. senate democrats are putting the squeeze on republicans bringing wall street reform to the floor on monday and betting that the gop won't want to be seen as wall street's protector. this isn't like health care reform where the democrats had to convince people they were on the public's side. in fact, i think president obama is right where he needs to be on this one.

one fight the president may be smart to avoid is immigration. the arizona governor has just signed a new bill that would require state law enforcement officials to ask anyone suspected of being an illegal -- in the country illegally for identification. it sparked outrage and may force the president's hand that could prove divisive in the midterm elections in november. get a load of the latest from dick cheney. he said his gross remark to senator lay hey in his vice president days was sort of the best thing i ever did. is he serious? i'm kidding. he's been endorsing candidates all over the place, all these republican primaries. it's time to ask, does anybody really care who gets dick cheney's betty crocker seal of approval. if you're wondering why the s.e.c. employees didn't have their eyes on the ball while wall street crippled the economy, wait until you see what they did with those eyes. here is a hint, it's x-rated.

triple x rated. finish on tricky issue of immigration reform. let's start with the political fight over wall street reform. chairman of the democratic congressional campaign committee, it's his job to get democrats elected this fall. this is a winner for you, isn't it? they are the bad guys. >> it's a winner because it's a winner for the american people. we need to hold wall street accountable. never again should people be held accountable. they made bad decisions. we shouldn't ask taxpayers to bail them out. next time we need to make sure they take responsibility and we don't bail them out. >> are you going to get this rammed through or get republicans to slow this down. looks like people like richard shelby are saying, give us a couple weeks to work it out. do they want to cooperate on a strong bill with triet in it? >> what was clear, mitch

mcconnell, the republican leader went up to wall street about two weeks ago, a week ago, huddled in the back room with wall street bankers, came back and opposed the bill. it was clear they wanted the brakes on this legislation. >> you think the meeting and what position mitch mcconnell -- >> i think he wanted to kill the bill. >> you and some of the viewers may think this is obvious but i'd like to hear it spelled out. both parties take money from wall street. you probably have money in wall street, most have friends on wall street. they are educated guys up there. like them or not, they are very smart people. they are very social. got a lot of money and political. a lot of money as chairman of the party, the others do, too. why are the democrats the ones that go against wall street and republicans seeming to play defense when you're both in the till. explain that to me. >> the the fact of the matter is

both parties get money from different groups. >> around the country. you go where the money is. >> but the fact of the matter is, chris, this is obviously in the public interest and nobody wants the taxpayers left on the hook. it's very difficult to explain why the republicans have dug in so hard on this issue other than to say they are happy with business as usual on wall street. that is the only explanation. >> stupidity on their part? could this be a dumb move? how about this idea, if it's so smart to say no to this president, it's helped them. look at the polls. they are very competitive with you guys now by saying, no, no, no, socialist, nazi, whatever they are saying this week. it's worked for them. do you think they got into a rut. >> no doubt about it. the same mantra. we know it was a calculated strategy to oppose obama at every turn. hey, this will work on wall street. the house republicans to a person voted no on wall street

accountability when we voted in december. >> will they in a week or two on the final vote. >> in the senate i think they will get some republicans on board. what happens when it goes back to the house is anybody's guess. again, i think a lot of us were very surprised to see every republican house member say no. >> why is that? you're in the business. why would they say no to something, everybody wants to be teddy roosevelt, the trust busting reformer that kicks butt and cleans up the place. it's always good politics. why wouldn't a republican want to do that. >> look, to listen to them, you're going to have to do that. i know we're going to hear from somebody. the fact of the matter is what it demonstrates is now cozy they have gotten with big banks and special interests. the president has been clear we need rules for the road. >> let's talk teeth. will this bill out of the senate, will it prevent what

happened in 2008 that almost brought down the american economy? >> yes. >> prevent the need for giant bailouts? >> yes. >> how? >> just like we have the fdic that can do into banks when they fail, restructure, essentially clean out the stockholders and restructure it, we're going to create a mechanism that allows us to do that with the biggest banks. that wasn't there in the past. in addition, there are a lots of early morning mechanisms. this is the whole question of derivatives at these exotic financial -- >> would you ban derivatives? >> no, there is a useful place for derivatives. it needs to be transparent so you don't have an aig situation. nobody knew aig had these huge amounts -- was exposed with these credit default swaps. that needs to be brought in the light so people know when banks are building up the huge risk. >> got to be fair. thank you. we may not get back to you. we've got to go. let's bring in republican scott jarrett of new jersey. a member of the finance

committee. congressman, looks like your party, the party championed by one of my heroes and i think yours, too, went up and busted the truths, cleaned it up. didn't know what hit him when he was president. why more like teddy roosevelt unless taft. >> the republicans are galg out. maybe it's no surprise goldman sachs endorsed the plan, bailed out by the administration will be swamping the street in washington with their ceo and execs saying they support the legislation. why is that? president obama, legislation chris dodd has and their administration, continuing bailouts, continuing to say to the big banks on wall street, the very same ones that provided campaign cash to them in the past, banks, don't worry, american taxpayers will be there in the future if you need it. that's what this perpetuates. republicans are saying no to that. we have to go back to a system where we don't bail out these

systems anymore. >> wait a minute. who started the bailouts? no. no. you used the word bailout like it's your common word for every third word, bailout, bailout, fine, useful politically. who started bailouts? wasn't it president bush and the republican administration? now you say the trouble with the democrats they are perpetuating bushism? in other words, the worst thing you can say about a democrat is he or she is doing what your party did to start this ball rolling. >> right, exactly. >> of bailouts. >> we talked about this in the past. i was opposed to those bail outside in the past. i believe what we need to do now. what the american public says, if you haven't passed the legislation, do something that reforms the system. make sure we never find ourselves in the situation we have right now. how do you do that? craft legislation in a bipartisan manner, much the way barney frank did, i give him credit where credit is due. we had over 100 committee

hearings last year on this breaking it down piece by piece, bipartisan matter. i didn't like the final product. we spent the energy to get it done as best we could in the senate. as you know, we're pushing that along with bad failed policies of the past. i will agree with you there. those policies of the bush administration were bad and failed policies and we should not perpetuate them into the future. >> thank you, congressmen. you all took money from the industry but he took less he says. i'm not sure. coming up, will president obama be forced to on immigration reform because of a new law in arizona? this is interesting. we might have a situation with that law so bad both sides have to do something. first, both on "hardball," arlen specter. joe biden endorsed one of them. you know who it will be. you'll find out during the commercial. coming up. you're watching "hardball" on msnbc. announcer: trying to be good to your heart? so is campbell's healthy request soup.

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>> this bill, the support law enforcement and safe neighborhoods act strengthens the laws of our state. it protects all of us, every arizona citizen and everyone here in our state lawfully. it does so while ensuring that the constitutional rights of all in arizona remain solid, stable, and steadfast. i will now sign senate bill 1070. >> wow, welcome back to "hardball." that was january brewer late this afternoon signing into law that makes it a state crime to be in the u.s. illegally and allows local police to question about immigration status.

critics say it will lead to profiling. congressman, thanks for joining us on this heated issue. what should be the means by which we deal with illegal immigration properly? what is the proper american way, as you see it, of maintaining border control or immigration control properly? >> well the proper route is the one that's before us. and that is to deal with the comprehensive approach to immigration law. and immigration reform. to deal with the fact that the preeminence of this law is federal. that it is a national law. and that's how to approach it. congress has either run away from this or exploited this issue. i think this law that the governor just signed, if it doesn't provide an impetus and an urgency to congress to do something, i think we're missing the whole point. this law opens up a harbinger of very, very bad things that could happen to constitutionally, to

the american people regardless. >> well maybe you never know with these things of unintended consequence. i want to talk about that. but here's the president today, let's listen, on this issue. >> indeed, our failure to act responsibly at the federal level will only open the door to irresponsibility by others. and that includes for example the recent efforts in arizona, which threaten to undermine basic notions of fairness that we cherish as americans. as well as the trust between police and their communities that is so crucial to keeping us safe. in fact, i've instructed members of my administration to closely monitor the situation and examine the civil rights and other implications of their legislation. but if we continue to fail to act at a federal level, we will continue to see misguided efforts opening up around the country. >> well i guess i have to ask you about the president said lead to irresponsible acts. i'm hoping as an american like you, that maybe the

irresponsible you could argue actions of arizona as will lead to the right actions. let me read to you what senator schumer and lindsay graham have in mind. this is apparently what the president is thinking about. includes the following. immigration action this summer. to do what, require biometric social security cards to insure that illegal workers cannot get jobs. fulfilling and strengthening our commitments on border security and interior enforcement. creating a process for admitting temporary workers and implementing a tough by fair path to legalization for those already here. are there any elements there you don't like? >> well, i think the issue is that we have to deal with the reality that there are people in this country and that are law-abiding and that for some reason need to have a path to legalization. and that should be open to them. we have to talk about family unification. which is critical. we have to talk about the dream act. agricultural jobs. it's a myriad of things that need to be reformed in this law.

we've been talking only about enforcement and security now for eight years. the consequence of that funding, billions upon billions. the consequence of those legislative actions has not done anything to deal with the crisis and the broken system of immigration in this country. so it's time we made it comprehensive. it's time it became holistic. and what arizona has done is to narrow the focus once more. and quite potentially open up a pandora's box of unconstitutional civil rights violations that are going to be challenged judicially and legally, anyway. >> i heard you and you followed the pattern here of people who are concerned about the welfare of people in the country illegally. and i assume you are. offer up suggestions about how to improve their welfare by family unification. and legalization. but on your side of the argument, you don't hear people talking about ways to actually have fair american-style enforcement.

do you think one of the ways to create an enforcement system would be you can't work here illegally. you can't come to america to get a job if you're coming here illegally in the future by having a social security card system that can be checked. do you support that kind of enforcement vehicle? >> the enforcement vehicle, yes. because if we are, if we have a path to legalization, if we deal with the undocumented that are here that are law-abiding and working. and that employers, and employees know they have rights and that there's verification to their ability to work in this country, absolutely. the problem is that we've only talked about one end of the spectrum and not dealt with the comprehensive side. >> do you think that if you jammed this issue at the hardliners, the people like the governor and said, look, let's be honest, the people a here are going to stay here. nobody's going to go around this country, rounding up what, 10 million, 12 million people in this country and send them away. they have kids here, roots here.

overwhelmingly, they're law-abiding. nobody is really ever going to do that. that's just rhetoric. let's talk about the future and having a system of liberal but enforceable immigration policy. would they go along with that? or are they just too angry to think? what do you think? >> i think we've reached an interesting crucible here, chris. in that right now the issue of immigration is either elected officials, members of congress, run away from the issue or hide from it or they exploit it as governor brewer and the republican legislature of arizona have done. you demonized, profiled people. it's interesting. you can be fifth-generation american that happens to be of mexican descent in the state of arizona and you fall under the same discriminatory profiling requirements that's in this law. unbelievable. unbelievable. >> i understand that. by the way, i agree with the president, i'm not justifying what arizona did. i wouldn't vote out there. i wouldn't support it but i'll

tell you, it is what happens when you don't have reasonable people doing reasonable things. you get unreasonable people grabbing control of the situation. and i think we all probably agree on that. congressman grijava, thank you so much for joining us on this heated issue. >> thank you. up next, massachusetts senator scott brown wants a basketball duel with president obama. who wouldn't? the side show is next. this is "hardball" on msnbc. so heading to the doctor uh... yeah?

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back to "hardball" now for the "side show." he's scott brown and he drives a truck. the slogan that defined an improbable republican bid in the bluest of blue states. three months later, massachusetts senator scott brown sat down with nbc's jamie gangel and talked about his relationship with that other political star, president obama.

>> he made fun of your truck. >> he can make fun of my votes and policy, but when he makes fun of my truck, that's where i draw the line. i asked him if he wanted me to bring the truck by the white house and take him for a spin. and i also said, i know you play a lot of basketball. if you would like, my daughter and i would love to play. >> so far, no invitation. >> i made a couple of inquiries. i think i need to step back and not make it competitive. >> maybe when he needs a vote. >> maybe when he needs somebody who can shoot. >> when he makes fun of my truck that's where i draw the line? i think this romancing the truck number has gotten well past its fresh date. now over to the midwest, a '50s throw back. the republican party in medina county, ohio is getting heat from women's group about what they published in its newsletter about democratic congresswoman betty sutton. let's take betty sutton out of the house and put her back in the kitchen. the newsletter was quote an attention-getter that wasn't intended to be sexist. well congresswoman sutton put out a statement saying the

mailer devalues the breadth of talents of women and she's calling for the chairman to step down. i think the republican chairman out there will be hearing from a lot of people about this. finally, sarah palin on the stand, the ex-governor testified today about a 22-year-old accused of hacking into her, the governor's personal email account during the presidential campaign. palin told the jury that the breach caused a huge disruption if her family and friends' lives after personal details and contact information was posted online. palin also had some tough words outside the courtroom. >> anybody who thinks that this isn't disruptive or hurtful to have their mailbox broken into or an office broken into and documents stolen and disclosed for rest of the world should put theirselves in a person's shoes who has gone through this and believe me, it's quite disruptive. it's so extremely unnecessary and resource-consuming, such a sad state of affairs that we're

in that we even have to be here trying to teach somebody that it's wrong to do such a thing. >> sounds right except for the odd language about the hacking being extremely unnecessary and resource-consuming. what's that mean? time now for the big number tonight. what a number it is. over at the securities and exchange commission, turns out the watchdogs of wall street were watching something else entirely as the economy unravelled. the s.e.c.'s inspector-general is conducting a probe into the agency's employees who in the past five years were caught looking at pornography on their work computers. how many have been netted? 33. surprised? at least 33 s.e.c. employees were watching porn instead of outrage. "hardball's" big number. up next, "your business."