faisal shahzad is a registered democrat. >> i hope that we're holding him in our arms right now and cradling him and asking him why. why? what don't we understand about you? >> mr. obama has made things much, much worse, because he promised the muslim world things that he will never do. he recognized that our relationship with the israelis was a problem. he's never going to change that. he accepted the courtesy and even hugged one of the most brutal dictators in the muslim world. he bowed to the saudi king when he was out there in saudi arabia showing his object servians. >> who are these people rooting for? do their people have to be in power all the time? elections don't matter? or they'll turn against the country? t the war monger had to get in on the action, too. of john mccain said, quote, don't give this guy miranda rights until we find out what

he's all about. justice, huh? the obama haters can't handle the fact that president obama is getting the job done when it comes to fighting terrorism. they missed the bush/cheney leadership and diplomacy, right? the president missed his proverbial 3:00 a.m. call and responded like a real leader. here's how you're supposed to do it, and he did. >> as americans, and as a nation, we will not be terrorized. we will not cower in fear, we will not be intimidated. we will be vigilant, and we will work together, and we will protect and defendant the country we love to ensure a safe and prosperous country for our people. that's what i intend to do as president and that's what we will do as a nation. >> such a difference in the demeanor from the last guy and the smart guy. president obama doesn't need to run down the field and spike the ball in front of the cameras. you know, his policies have got all died on the run in the middle east. aren't you rightees out there, aren't you excited about the fact that he has beefed up

troops in afghanistan? and he's putting suspected terrorists behind bars right here in the united states. the world appreciates the fact that america elected the smart guy, and then put an end to all this cowboy diplomacy. we actually talk to people now. the conservatives want you to believe that they are the only ones that can keep this country safe. and it just kills them every time a democrat looks tough and effective on trerrorism. the republican party and their psycho talkers have been on a long-time mission to see president obama fail ever since day one, even on national security. and do you remember early in 2009 when this pair was coming out just ripping on the president? dick cheney and his arrogant daughter have run around this country for the last 18 months, screaming about how president obama is making us less safe. the cheneys, i think, don't have the character to give this president the credit that he deserves, or this country, when we get a victory on fighting terrorism. and if you're thinking about

voting in the mid terms, let's just get it on. because you can go with the republicans who side with wall street, who side with big oil, who protect big insurance, and claim to have a lock on the market when it comes to protecting the country. and their silence is absolutely deafening. i bet it just tore up mitch mcconnell today to go to the floor of the senate and just make a couple of words for the record. but the sound chamber is what counts. that's who is leading the republican party, and they can't stand the fact that the due diligence, the cross checking of the agencies, which we didn't have during the bush administration, got the job done. and they paid attention to what people were saying. tell me what you think about this in our television survey tonight, folks. number to dial is 1-877-ed-msnbc. our question tonight is, do you feel safer under the obama administration's watch? press 1 for yes, press 2 for no.

and i'll bring you the results later on in the show. joining me now is vermont senator, patrick leahy, chairman of the senate judiciary committee. senator, good to have you with us tonight. it's been too long. how have you been? >> i've been very well, ed, and it's good to be with you. >> good to be with you, my friend. all right. we read miranda rights, we didn't torture, and we're getting information. this is kind of a textbook case on how it's supposed to work, isn't it? >> listen, i spent eight years in law enforcement, and this has been perfect all the way through. you had ray kelly, commissioner of police in new york city, his people did a textbook fashion. bob mueller from the fbi. eric holder from the justice department. they all worked together. and they got the person. they got the person, apparently, from what we have read, they've gotten cooperation. the president even reported -- i don't know if it's true or not,

but we're even getting cooperation from pakistan. but the most important thing, we got the person who did this. they crossed all the ts, dotted all the is. but what i find frustrating are the people, mr. limbaugh, of course, says he wants the president to fail, even though the country would fail. and this really bothers me, because after 9/11, even though the ball had been dropped, even though 9/11 could have been avoided if everybody had done what they should have, democrats and republicans came together and said, okay, that happened. let's make it better so this doesn't happen again. we have steadily improved the law enforcement and the intelligence agency's, working the best today they have worked in my 35 years here in the senate under either democrats or republicans. we are taking out al qaeda leaders all over the world. we have -- i wish we could talk. we can't, but i wish we could

talk publicly about all of the plots that we have disrupted that we stopped before they even got to our soil. it's been one success after another. >> one of the things, senator, that we have seen is the conversation in law enforcement community actually complaints the previous eight years about how there was not the proper communication that took place. and one former law enforcement official told me today, he is now a private investigator, there were no star seekers in this. there wasn't anybody doing any headline grabbing. it was just the due diligence of these agencies working together and following up and getting it done. how much -- >> they were working. go ahead. >> how much credit does the president get? how much credit does his administration get when this happens? i mean, obviously, the people in law enforcement certainly love the country as much as the last crowd. >> they all deserve credit, because they worked so well

together. the president was getting briefing almost hourly, sometimes more than that, by mr. brennan. he was on top of all this. but he trusted the professionals to go out and do the work they had to do. they did the professionals in new york city worked well, the federal authorities, the state authorities and local. as one who spent eight years in law enforcement, i cannot think of a case where they have worked so well together. and they ought to be praised for this. not these nit-picking people who sit back and have nothing to do with it. tried to second guess it. they have done very well. and as we know, they're getting a lot of cooperation from this person. >> here's attorney general eric holder talking about the situation today and what came down. >> we anticipate charging him with an act of terrorism transcending national borders, attempted use of a weapon of mass destruction, use of a destructive device during the commission of another crime, as

well as assorted explosives charges. >> so senator, are we going to have a big debate and discussion in this country now about where we try him? are we going to try him in manhatt manhattan, new york, or are we going to try him in manhattan, kansas? what do you think? >> i hope we try him in a court that knows how to handle this. we have tried a lot of these major cases in new york city, and we have gotten the convictions there. i'll leave it to the prosecutors to pick the venue. but i -- i would rather be the prosecutor than the defense attorney on this one. >> after the confessions, absolutely. >> well, they've got a really good case. and it shows what happens. you have the people do all the rhetoric. oh, we've got to pass up this, we've got to short change this. no. they're not the we understand who are doing the work. the ones who are doing the work did it right. >> and finally, senator, doesn't the silence of dick cheney -- doesn't that -- don't you think that's really interesting at this point? >> well, he knows they've done better job than he ever saw when

he was -- when he was there. and he realizes if -- tries to criticize this, people will point out they did a better job than they did under his watch. >> senator, great to have you with us tonight. thank you so much. senator of the judiciary committee, pat leahy. let's go to joan walsh, editor in chief, "salon.com." the discussion out there by the right wing is almost as if they were anti success when it comes to fighting terrorism. or am i overreacting to this? what do you think, joan? >> no, i don't think you're overreacting, ed. i was listening to msnbc this morning, and republican congressman mike rodgers was calling this a success for terrorism. just because the guy got the suv into times square. and let me say, i was born in new york, my daughter goes to school in new york. your show is in new york. none of us want there to be any threat of terrorism in new york. but we're also grown-ups and we're new yorkers at heart, and we know, it's going to happen from time to time. and then what happened was

textbook new york. you had some really street-savvy vendors who did the right thing. they found a cop, the cop investigated. the rest of the cops came. and then the federal government got involved. and then they found this guy within 48 hours. how awesome is that? i mean, we can't say we're safe. we can't say it's completely over. but so far, as the senator said, it has worked wonderfully. we should all be applauding it to this point. and instead, these jackals are braying and making politics out of it. it's -- you know, it's just what they do. >> i want to bring up the point, because you were recently in a discussion on a number of different media levels about the left versus right, and who is saying what. and how it's being said. how would you characterize the sound cuts that i played earlier in had this segment of both limbaugh and beck? the demeanor. it sounded as if they were -- they didn't want the president to win the aany level. >> well, they don't.

>> you believe that. >> well, i mean, rush has said it. i take him at his word. he wants the president to fail, which i do agree with senator leahy. that means he wants the country to fail. glenn beck, you know -- he's got serious problems that i'm not equipped to diagnose. i don't really know what he thinks. he's really a puzzle to me. but they clearly -- they're getting wealthy off betting against this president, riling people up, making people think this president is making us less safer, rather than more safer. again, as senator leahy said, they have foiled many plots. but, you know, they can't ever give him credit for anything. they never will. and it's just up to the rest of us to call them out on it and focus the country on the things that matter, which is, you know, we're fighting this, we're never going to be completely safe. but they are apparently doing a very good job to this point. >> joan walsh, editor and chief, salon.com. thanks for your time tonight. >> thanks, ed. >> coming up, the whack owes across the street are playing

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welcome back to "the ed show." and thanks for watching tonight. the harsh anti immigration law in arizona has taken a lot of heat for allegedly encouraging legal racial profiling. but even as arizona republicans are trying to soften the law with changes, a new poll shows the majority of americans are pretty much okay with it. in a "new york times" cbs news poll, 51% say the current arizona law is about right. 36% say it goes too far. 9% say it doesn't go far enough. in arizona, phoenix mayor phil gordon has hit a road block in his efforts to challenge a new state law which he calls embarrassing. but the city attorney says the mayor can't sue the state without the city council's

authorization. mayor gordon is now asking the united states' justice department to take a stand. for more, let me bring in california congressman brian bill bray. he is the chairman of the immigration reform caucus. congressman, good to have you with us tonight. we have some agreement and some errors areas on this. but specifically on this law in arizona, the fight that's going on, do you really think that we're making headway when it comes to securing our borders, making sure everybody is paying their taxes? i mean, where are we going with this whole conversation in this country, in your opinion? >> ed, we ought to be finding those things we do agree on. look, i grew up on the border. i'm probably the only member of congress to have rescued illegals when they were drowning. i was a lifeguard and recovered their bodies. i saw them slaughtered on the freeways. we always talk about securing the borders when you and i know, the problem is not at the border. that's a symptom. the real problem is that

washington, d.c. has to have clear and precise procedures to stop employers from hiring people illegally. and then you wouldn't have people going through the neighborhoods of arizona and creating the problems and the crisis that arizonans are trying to address. and people may not agree with the way they're addressing it. but i think everybody agrees that there is real justification for arizona and a lot of people along the border be frustrated that the rest of the country isn't requiring employers to stop the problem. >> so congressman, there's ten states out there that pretty much want to emulate what arizona is doing. there's a poll out there that says 51% of americans are in favor of what's happening here. does this mean that the country is behind arizona? >> well, i think it's that arizona was behind the federal government's program. of and ed, the 287-g, which is a federal program, what they have done is they have implemented as a statewide program. cities and counties around this country have implemented 287-g,

which is a federal program that even president obama has been pushing very strongly on. and so the real problem here is that it outlaws amnesty cities, and i think a lot of people really resent the state telling the cities that they can't put a gag order on their law enforcement on this issue. you know, there are federal issues that law enforcement gets involved with all of the time. bank robbery is a federal issue. drug smuggling is a federal law. but we don't tell local law enforcement they can't participate. but, again, i think the one thing is here is, you've got to do it within the constitution, you've got to set very clear guidelines that you cannot use racial profiling. >> that's the fear in all of this. that's the fear in this arizona law, that that's what it's going to lead to. there's a lot of room for human error in all of this. but the fact that ten states have gone on to it, and there's probably going to be more, i think is very telling. one more point i want to make with you. if we're headed towards immigration reform in this country, wouldn't this be a good

political stand for the republicans to take to reach out to the president? wouldn't this be one issue? because let's face it. votes do count! >> well, i think the one issue you get into is arizona two years ago implemented e-verify, and everybody thought that was going to be the end of the world. >> but e-verify, i have to challenge you on that. e-verify is a program and not every employer goes by it. there is a lot of cheating going on out there. >> and that is why what you do with the schulerville, which is a democrat bill, you also require that you've got to e-verify and check if you want irs write-offs. and you want to crack down on the employers. you have irs auditing for tax evasion when they hire an illegal. and you know that will put the fear of god in them and be able to really make the point that we need to focus on the fact that the legal employers start getting nailed, they will be too frightened to continue the problem. >> i'm all for going after people that hire illegals.

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yesterday he was doing a mother's day theme spot for a vermont teddy bear company, but the guy just couldn't hold back. he stopped to rail against mother's day. >> vermont teddy bear is getting ready for mother's day weekend. mother's day, it's a scam. it's a big business scam. mother's day? started, 1914. woodrow wilson. hate that guy. love my mom. hate the holiday. now, go to hallmark, because hallmark and woodrow wilson would like you to do that. there's something new from vermont teddy bear. three hand-made teddy bears in pink, green and white. the bears are scented, each with a different scent, strawberry, watermelon and cup cake. it's like flowers, only something for life. to let her know you're thinking about her. don't forget, guys, it's sunday.

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it's the "the battleground issue." thanks for watching tonight. the party of big oil is trying to play politics with the disaster in the gulf coast. first up, former fema director, and alleged hero, michael brown. you know, the guy who did a heck of a job responding to hurricane katrina? i mean, such a heck of a job that fox decided to have him on yesterday and give his expert opinion on how president obama is handling the crisis. >> only now is the president appearing to be engaged, and i think the delay was this. it's pure politics. this president has never supported big oil. he has never supported offshore drilling and now2g? he has an excuse to shut it back down. this is exactly what they want.

because now he can pander to the environmentalists and say i'm going to shut it down because it's too dangerous. >> well, stay tuned, because brownie is coming up with chris matthews on "hardball" following brownie thinks president obama was not engaged. now, this is the same guy back on august 31st, 2005, that was told that the situation in new orleans was, quote, past critical, and that, quote, many will die within hours. and his press secretary e-mail that, you know, they should, you know, schedule more time for dinner. there was an e-mail exchange that says all of that. brownie, you were doing a heck of a job. sean hannity also brought up katrina on his show last night, whining, just whining, about a double standard. he said that president bush was, quote, what! fumbling the katrina response. while no one is criticizing president obama. >> they were there and on it from day one, and it's 1,000

barrels a day. they would have burned this thing off, and it could have been far less the catastrophic. ten days, the government did nothing. but they claim they were there from day one. i want them to be honest with the american people. >> honest? honest with the american people? let's see, early on, we were told by the oil experts -- it's not really leaking, not really that bad. don't worry about it. of how are you supposed to respond to that. now, i don't want to minimize what's happening in the gulf right now, but let's be serious. hurricane katrina was the worst natural disaster -- natural disaster in this country's history. and more than 1,300 people died. americans. died. drowned. waiting for the bush administration to get its act together instead of strumming the guitar. unlike the oil rig explosion, the hurricane wasn't a surprise. the bush people had plenty of advance warning. now, brownie, didn't you have some satellite pictures of this big thing in the gulf that was heading towards the coast?

and you did what? they chose to do nothing but sit and watch the news. now, there is room for criticism that the federal government, for allowi allowing offshore drilling in the first place. why do we even have that? if and not requiring oil companies for emergency shutoff involves. let's bring in mike papantonio, the firm leading the class action lawsuit against bp. if i have to, i'm going have you on every night! i'm not getting off this story. >> ed, i can listen to you every night, my friend. you are delivering the message. i've got -- i'll assure you of that. the country knows that, and we appreciate it. >> go ahead. have at it. >> there is a formula for corporate response. when corporate america creates a catastrophe like this. the first thing we see is, we see a misdirect anger. change the direction of anger, take it to somebody else. so we have these corporate shields from the oil industry that are focusing on the obama government saying obama didn't

do this, didn't do that. they ignore -- they ask you to ignore and look away at the fact that you have these companies that intentionally brought about a failure that is catastrophic. now, look, it's very popular to misdirect. and one way you do that is, you scare the hell out of people. scare tactic we're seeing right now, the american petroleum institute. look what they're saying. let me distell what they're saying. they're saying be very, very afraid if you don't have our fossil fuel. be very afraid if we close down, because it will mean a horrible death for all americans. that's the first scare we see. sarah palin drilling. here's what sarah palin -- here's her message. that drilling is going to make us secure. it's going to make us prosperous and more peaceful. and with if we don't have drilling, we don't have those things. and then it gets crazy, the crazy bumkin talk. the people you talk about all of the time. you have the tom knockoff, rick

perry saying god caused this, you have rush limbaugh saying that -- blame it on kreezed eco maniacs who caused this disaster. but you know what? here's what's ugly, ed. there is an audience -- the tea bag mentality audience want to hear this. we can't believe it. we can't believe people would buy this. but there is a tea bagger mentality that wants to hear this crazy talk. and corporate america knows that. you could go back in every one of these catastrophic disasters and hear the flying monkeys like we're seeing today being unleashed by corporate america. you're going to see the clown car every time, unload, next to the curb, and have the glenn becks and the rush limbaughs and the mic browns, you name it, all the crazy talk we're going to hear. and there is a part of america that buys that and corporate america knows it. >> this is just the rationalization that's taking place, is border line comic. rick perry, governor of texas. from time to time, there are going to be things that occur that are acts of god that cannot

be prevented. now, here's the thing. it was no act of god for them to go down and seek out profit at a place where they had never been before with an exploratory rig that they didn't have the safety measures on or enacted. and now for bp to come out and say it's really not our fault, the hell it wasn't, they were going to be the ones getting the money off this thing, on the heels of record profits. what are you hearing from the people? what are they saying to you about this class action lawsuit and going after? do you have the people behind you? >> they are behind this. there is not enough money bp is able to throw at it at this point. they have put together a virtual army of reptiliaian lobbyists tt have converged on this coast. we have a lobby that's been paid $16 million last year. this year, the projection is the same bp lobby will be paid $80 million. so what they're doing, ed, they're talking not to the people. the people are just the first --

this lobby money is going to washington. and we have characters like jeff miller, who is our local congressman that says, gee whiz, we need to drill anyway. >> we also have -- this really is a time, mike, and i'm short on time here. this really is a time for liberals and environment giists this country to push back. if we don't do in now, i don't know when it's going to happen. you have the supreme court ruling that corporations can give as much money as they want to an issue or candidate. that's the scary thing behind this. mike papantonio, keep up the fight. let's get some rapid response from our panel. less than 72 hours after police stopped a bomb in times square, the suspect is in custody, and he's talking. that's how the fight against terrorism is going on president obama's watch, and the rightees, this he just can't stand it. republican whip john kyle of arizona thinks it's appropriate to joke about drowning the president, the democratic leaders in the congress. well, he got a big laugh at the

republican retreat when he joked, "if barack obama, nancy pelosi and harry reid are in a row boat and it springs a leak and starts to sink, who gets saved? the american people." with us tonight, sam steen, political reporter, "huffing ton post," and author of the book, boy, am i giving you a plug, "that's no angry mom, that's my mom." team obama's assault on right party americans. all right, michael, is your friend john kyle over the top talking about the death of the president and also, the democratic leaders? where does this go? >> when i was a kid i wanted to grow up to be a liberal, because they partied, had luck with chicks, smoked pot and had a sense of humor. every time someone gets in trouble for a joke, whether it's john kyle or the union hack in new jersey who wrote the internet joke going around about

god, governor christie is my favorite governor, it's a joke! have a sense of humor. when did the left become a bunch of humorless stooges? you're no fun anymore. >> no, we're plenty of fun. the president did a great job the other night, and you folks were taking him apart for his routine. by the way, i don't smoke pot and i never have smoked pot. that is a fact. i'm just a boring guy, i like to hunt and fish and i drink cold beer every senator and then. stan stein, is senator kyle over the top on this? >> how do i interject in this debate? i don't think so. i mean, humor is humor. i have to say. we should all line up a little bit. the president made a joke during a speech about drone attacks on the jonas brothers. i thought it was poor taste, but whatever, it's funny. i can't get myself worked up. >> let's talk about some good law enforcement. it didn't take very long for the obama terrorism team, mike, to get it done. how about a pat on the back tonight? can you do that? >> okay. i want you to look in the camera

and tell us again you haven't smoked pot. >> first of all, we're not going to turn this around, but i will tell you -- >> no, not because of that. >> god as my witness, i have never smoked pot in my life. you can blog that. you can -- youtube it, do whatever you want. i am taking it -- i have never. you cannot produce anybody on the face of this earth that has ever smoked pot -- it hasn't happened! >> well, ed, we want you to. trust me. because you sound high right now. >> okay. >> only reason there aren't dead people in new york is because the machine didn't work. the only reason the airplane didn't blow up in detroit is because the underwear didn't explode. this has been a dismal failure. and is my sources on this are those right wing media outlets, the "new york times," and msnbc, which reported late today with jim mitch la she have ski said he should not have gotten on the

plane. >> we were extremely fortunate there was a no fly zone. >> we were a failure. >> hold on one second. >> there was a no fly list. >> what did obama do? >> even after the plane was leaving, mike, i know i can always count on you taking a cheap shot. sam stein, go ahead. >> we need to look at the broader picture here. we have done things overseas that have crippled al qaeda's recruiting efforts. the fact they're turning to practitioners who are probably not the best -- i say this without expertise, but the fact they're turning to practitioners who are is a success story. and we are lucky in some respects the bomb diplomat go off in this man's underwear or in times square. but the fact of the matter is, you are going to have to live or we are going to have to learn to live with an element of terrorism in our lives. this will happen under the obama administration. >> michael graham, can you tell our audience tonight that you have never smoked pot, because i can. >> sadly, i have never smoked pot. >> well, you ought to be behind bars.

you are a law-breaking son of a gun. >> when i was a kid, i was in the garage one time, i snorted some midol. >> good to have you with us tonight. >> coming up, florida is on red alert. a current is sending oil from the gulf towards the keys, locals are saying that this would be an epic disaster. more on that in just a moment. stay with us. uy! you said you bought a digiorno. but the pizza came with cheesy breadsticks. new digiorno pizza & breadsticks. taste. believe. it's not delivery. it's digiorno. she found the box. maybe 'cause you left it right on the counter.

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in my playbook tonight, a strong current of the gulf of mexico could carry the massive oil slick clear down to the florida keys, and beyond within

a week. right now, the spill is close to being swept into the fast-moving loop current, which would carry the oil around the tip of florida, and into the gulf stream. from there, the oil could flow all the way up the east coast of the united states. joining me now is nick shea, a professor of the university of miami school of marine and atmospheric science. professor, good to have you with us tonight. justify put and capsulize for us how serious this is if that loop does, in fact, take place. >> well, thank you for inviting me on your show, ed. it is serious. the current is very strong. and it's notorious for pushing a lot of nutrients and toxins towards the south, towards the florida straits when we have -- when we have toxins entering water column, such as we're having with this oil slick. they get pushed away by the

current, and can enter into the florida straits, and it can affect the ecosystems, a very delicate and fragile ecosystem through the florida keys, and once it exits the florida straits, it is clear to go up the eastern seaboard, and create some problems for our neighbors towards the north. >> on the coral reefs, are we talking about irreversible damage in our lifetime? >> that's an -- that's unclear, whether it's irreversible, but it certainly isn't going to help the matter with those delicate ecosystems in the florida keys. and it's also going to depend on how much oil is actually getting in there. >> well, what would it do to the economy? i mean, would it be as devastating as we think it would be? >> well, if this -- if this well continues to spew oil into the gulf of mexico, and we can't cap it for another month or two, it

will be -- it will be a very difficult situation for a lot of folks in florida, and delicate ecosystems could be destroyed for a long time. >> professor, good to have you with us tonight. thank you so much. the oil spill is, of course, not only hurting the environment, it's wreaking havoc on local businesses across the region. let me bring in marian patty. her family owns joe patty's seafood, a mom and pop operation. mary ann is a local attorney who was involved in mike papantonio's class action suit against bp. can you put into words tonight what your family, business, community could be facing? >> it's absolutely horrendous. we're looking at catastrophic damages for what is happening. and when i say that, you've got to look at my family has had this seafood company, my grandparents started it back in

1935. all of our family is either off shot, they all have their own companies, we've got our company. but all of our companies have fishermen, oystermen, distributors, all of these people are going to be affected. we have already -- i was talking to one of my uncles today, he is already having to send his mullet fishermen down east, so they can mullet fish. the price of mullet has already gone up. that's something simple. but when you sit back and look at what it's doing to the economy, what it's doing to the local fishermen, you've got people that this has been their entire life. they don't know anything else, other than fishing. or oystering, or shrimping. and what are they going to do now? this is not something that's going to go away overnight. is something that we're going to feel for years to come. before they were even talking about, like, mr. shay, that it could possibly go up the east coast, my family was already talking about it, something they have lived and breathed for years. they have -- no one knows what's

going on. all of the other business owners are calling, because this is something that we rely upon. no one realizes the devastation that's going to happen from this. not only when you look at it ecologically, but economically. what are these families going to do when all of a sudden they can't make their mortgage payments? yeah, that's going to be happening. you're going to have people who aren't going to be able to make their mortgage payments, who aren't going to be able to make their car payments. why? because they can't go out, they can't fish, they can't shrimp, they can't oyster. they can't get the products, so that way they can come in and sell it. then what are we going to have to do as a business? the seafood company we own? well, we're going to have to get the product from elsewhere, from other countries. it's just absolutely devastating what's going to happen. and it's not going to end in the next day or so. >> mary ann patti, you have said it all and said so much. there will be a real emotional strain to all of this, as well. this is going to change a lot of lives if it continues to move forward. thanks, mary ann. all the best to you.

thanks for being with us tonight. final page from my playbook tonight. it seems as though the philadelphia police officer got a little taser-happy last night at the phillies' game. in what appears to be a completely unjustified use of force, a 17-year-old kid was tased as he ran around the outfield at citizens bank park. i'm pretty sure they could have caught him. the unruly fan, without using a taser. but i don't think he will run out on that field anymore. the philadelphia pd said it's opening an investigation into the incident to determine if the takesing was the proper use of equipment. also, we want to extend a warm welcome to some brand new msnbc viewers. we are now airing on south africa's top tv in kenya, tanzania, and south africa. thanks to all of you for joining us. we're excited about having you. watching us right here from new york, and washington on msnbc. coming up, the so-called father of arizona's immigration

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welcome back to "the ed show." finally tonight, one name will be missing when it comes to the gubernatorial race for the republicans in arizona. maricopa county sheriff joe arpaio says he's not going to be

running, and he may be emboldened by the most recent poll that 51% of the folks in arizona think that this law is okay. the sheriff joins us tonight from arizona. joe, good to have you with us tonight. what do you make of this poll, 51% of arizonans think that this law is about right? >> well, i thought it was 70%. i don't know what poll you're talking about. but most people here in arizona like this new law. you know, i've been enforcing these type of laws for three years. really haven't had any problems. so i don't know why everybody is -- >> well, actually, you have had some problems if you're being investigated for racial profiling, but -- >> well, wait a minute, let me answer that, ed. that's been a year-and-a-half that the justice department civil rights has been floating around this county, and nothing has happened. so they can investigate all they want. >> okay. so you're totally innocent of that. but to say that it -- that you've been enforcing the law in the eyes of some, you've been

somewhat overbearing, or is that an overstatement? >> no, i -- i'm not overbearing. i took an oath of office to enforce all the laws. so i'm aggressive against any type of crime, including illegal immigration. it's not overbearing. >> why aren't you going to run for office? why aren't you going to run for governor? >> well, i could be the governor. i don't want to brag, but everybody knows that. by the way, if i announced yesterday for governor, you wouldn't be talking to me as the sheriff, because i would have to resign in some county officials would not like -- >> that's not right, joe, you're good copy. i'll talk to you all the time. >> okay. but these county officials would not appoint a guy like me. i think they're having a bad day today, when i refused to resign. i'm going to continue on doing my job as sheriff. >> okay. and what do you say about all these states that are following arizona? there's ten of them. do you think there will be more? quickly. >> you know, at least -- let's hope that washington follows the

arizona law. >> okay. >> which is patterned after washington's federal law, anyway, ed. >> sheriff, good to have you with us tonight. telephone survey tonight, i asked you, do you feel safer under the obama administration's watch. 91% said of you said yes. that's "the ed show." i'm ed schultz. chris matthews will be talking to brownie coming up next. stop the plane. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews up in new york leading off. we got him. faisal shahzad was minutes away from taking off for dubai when federal authorities pulled him off the plane at jfk. shahzad is a naturalized american citizen. he was born in pakistan and was charged today with five counts in the times square incident. including trying to explode a weapon of mass destruction at the top of the show.

tonight, who is this man? who is he working with? and how close was he to getting away with it? and what we know is there was a pakistan connection, shahzad traveled there last year and trained at a terror camp. and today, pakistani police arrested as many as eight people suspected of helping him. what has u.s. officials worried, the fact that a lone wolf, an american may have somehow joined up with international terrorists bent on killing other americans. one thing you can be sure of, the right-wingers, the rush limbaughs, the ditto-head tea party crowd won't praise the government for catching faisal shahzad. the blame obama first gang will try to find some way to hold the president responsible for the fact that an act of terror was attempted. we'll talk to howard dean about that one. and remember this guy? >> i want to thank all -- and brownie, you're doing a heck of a job. >> brownie is now doing a heck of a job criticizing president obama about delaying action as he put it on thef