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good morning, everyone, i'm alex whit. welcome to "msnbc saturday." president obama's now weighing in on those controversial plans to build a mosque just blocks from ground zero in lower manhattan. the project has led to protests around the country. and veronica de la cruz joins me live with the details. and good morning, veronica. this is the first time, really, the president has addressed this issue publicly, right? >> that's absolutely right, alex. and good morning to you, as well. the president spoke out in support of building this mosque last night at this annual white house dinner celebrating the holy month of ramadan. the president said the muslims have the right to practice their religion like anyone else and that includes the right to build a place of worship on private property. >> this is america. and our commitment to religious freedom must be unshakable. the principle that people of all faiths are welcome in this country. and that they will not be treated differently by their

government is essential to who we are. >> before speaking at last night's dinner, the president had not publicly addressed the issue like you're just saying. with the white house, instead, calling this a local issue. michael bloomberg was quick to react to the president's comments saying "this proposed mosque and community center in lower manhattan is as important a test of the separation of church and state as we may see in our lifetime. and i applaud president obama's clarion defense of the freedom of religion." in terms of the actual building, alex, it won't be just a mosque, more like a muslim community center. plans include a swimming pool, culinary school, art studio, and so on and so forth. developers envision it as interfaith. >> we are seeing support from the president. but what ant all the critics of this project? what are they saying? >> well, alex, critics are

saying building this mosque so close to where the 9/11 attacks took place is insensitive. those critics include some of the relatives of those killed in the attacks. and leading republicans like sarah palin, newt gingrich. they want approval from local planning boards, but it's still facing legal challenges. and new york's conservative party is preparing a tv ad campaign to pressure a utility company to use its power to block this project. there's still a ways to go here. >> indeed. lots to talk about. well, in flood-ravaged ames, iowa, crews are working to restore tap water to residents. forcing the city to shut down the water system. and now officials are demanding that people conserve water or face legal action. nbc's ron allen has the story for us from ames, iowa. >> reporter: city crews worked feverishly to repair flood damage. officials say strict water conservation measures and a boil

water alert will likely remain in place well into next week. >> ames is now a town virtually cut off by flood waters. >> reporter: several consecutive days of heavy downpours brought ames the worst flooding here ever. hundreds of homes evacuated, businesses shut down, roads closed by rising water. in some cases, with deadly consequences. police released the 911 calls from a group of local teens trapped in several cars. swept off a rural road into a flood-swollen creek. >> we're going under water right now. and there's nowhere to go. >> get out. >> 16-year-old jessica webb did not survive. >> you got your water? >> reporter: volunteers handed out free bottled water to every ames resident who needs it. a gallon a day each. the traffic steady at makeshift pickup sites. the flood drained the proud-looking water towers. the saturated ground so heavy, the grounds cracked under the

weight. >> it is a big inconvenience, but it's the least i can do to help out with the community. >> reporter: ames is home to iowa state university. what might look like a pretty lake on campus are actually football practice fields covered with water. the residents of this mobile home park say flood waters rose several feet. they tried to salvage what they could. >> just laid this down. >> caller: like everyone here, joshua drake keeps his eyes on the skies. >> you could see it. the clouds are coming right now. they're talking about another 1 1/2 inches to 2 inches. >> that's not good. >> that was ron allen reporting from ames, iowa. investigators have talked to two survivors from the plane that went down in alaska this week. one said they were flying along and they just stopped flying. the national transportation safety board also just released these new pictures showing the crash site's remote location. the accident killed five people, including former u.s. senator ted stevens. and nbc's michelle kosinski live

for us with the latest information on this investigation. good saturday morning to you, michelle. >> good morning, alex. because there were no flight data recorders on that plane, talking to the survivors has really been crucial to the investigation. so finally, they've been able to talk to two of them. and so far, evidence seems to indicate that the engine was running normally on impact. but despite reports that they've tentatively ruled out mechanical failure, publicly investigators say at this point they have not ruled out anything in their search for why. we just stopped flying, those words from one of the survivors of this devastating crash as the investigators moved the wreckage away. >> he detected no changes in pitch or engine noise. and that they were flying along and then they just stopped flying. >> new photos show more of that scene. the unforgiving landscape, the unnamed survivor said that weather was too rough to fly that morning.

the pilot was worried people would get sick, but it cleared some. ted stevens here one day before the disaster set out after lunch for the remote fishing camp. another survivor who fell asleep in a seat next to the pilot remembers waking up after the crash. >> it's still very early. we have to examine a lot of things before we can determine the cause. >> reporter: the single engine otter had terrain awareness technology, but not the latest type of safety equipment that stevens himself had pushed for. was it the weather that got the best of this legendary alaskan pilot? the company that hosted the group spoke for the first time since the accident. >> the weather on monday was better than it had been for most of the previous week although it was very windy, very turbulent. and the weather conditions in the area were quite volatile. >> terry smith had just been hired to fly this plane in july, had about 45 total hours experience on that model, but nearly 10,000 hours in other

amphibious aircraft. he also knew the route and area well. in smith's three-decade career, ntsb documented one accident. in 1997 he nosed over a cessna on landing. no injuries. investigators found he failed to maintain directional control. now they look for what happened here in the hands of such skill. >> terry smith the pilot was my neighbor. my estimation, one of the best pilots in alaska. a guy i've flown personally with on and off for the last 25 years. >> reporter: investigators still want to talk to the two other survivors, as well. and they've all been recovering. the most seriously injured, sean o'keeffe was in critical condition now upgraded to serious. and the youngest survivor, a 13-year-old is now in good condition, alex. >> michelle, for those people who say, gosh, you know, small planes that you always take a risk in those -- for alaskans, it's almost like getting in a car, right? they really use these that

commonly. >> it really is, yeah. it's so surprising. there was a lake near the main airport, the international airport here, but this lake is sort of where all the small planes can fly in and fly out of because they can land on water. and it seems like one takes off and lands every few seconds. people coming into anchorage to do shopping because so few communities in this state are linked by roads. and the numbers are surprising. 1 in about 60 people in alaska owns their own small plane. and the rest of the country it's 1 in 820. and since 1990, this one state has been responsible for about 1/3 of all u.s. commuter and air taxi crashes. that is just because of the frequency of flight here. it's a necessity as common as people taking a bus in another state might be. >> yeah. okay. well, thank you for that perspective and for the report. michelle kosinski. some new details are emerging about the fugitive that helped her fiancee escape from

jail. police say that casslyn welch was acting as a drug mule for a white supremacy group. and weeks before she helped mccluskey and others escape, police say she agreed to become a police informant. meanwhile the search has expanded for welch and mccluskey. an israeli citizen suspected of being a serial stabber will head back to michigan to face charges at a hearing in atlanta. elias abuelazam won't fight extradition. well, the first family is bound for florida today for a first brief weekend vacation in the gulf coast state. including a round table with small business owners. later this month, the first family will spend ten days on martha's vineyard. the battle to permanently seal that ruptured well at the bottom of the gulf of mexico is not over yet. let's go live to nbc's charles hadlock in venice, louisiana, for us. good morning to you, charles.

>> reporter: good morning, alex. >> a bit of talk earlier this week that the crews possibly would not have to finish drilling that relief well because the current cap was so successful when it stopped the oil from leaking. is that still the case? >> well, remember the cap on top that was placed there july 15th was only temporary. last week, bp at the direction of the coast guard began what they call a static kill where they pour thousands of pounds of heavy mud and cement into the top of the well. it's thought some of that cement made it all the way down 13,000 feet down to the bottom of the well and then up the sides of the casing. well, that's exactly where the relief wells we've been hearing about are supposed to intersect. the theory is that maybe there's enough cement there that the relief wells would not be needed. but thad allen has said he's looked at the readings, and they just are not confident that there's enough cement there to permanently kill the well at the bottom. so the relief well operation will go forward.

the question is when? we expect to have a time line later today when the admiral addresses the media once again around 1:00 today. >> okay. but are they thinking at least august? >> yes. in fact, if the go ahead is given today to resume the relief well, it would take about four days to gear up and hook everything back up and get into place. so we're looking at probably tuesday/wednesday when the relief well would be in a position to intersect the well and it would take a couple of days to fill it with mud and cement and test it to be sure it's permanently killed. we're looking possibly at the end of next week when this thing will be permanently sealed. >> charles hadlock, many thanks. straight ahead, the great escape. nbc obtained video of the jetblue flight attendant's dramatic job walk-off. plus, will next year be the year for prince william's wedding? one bookie is so sure about it, he stopped taking bets.

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we're going now to an nbc exclusive. new video of the flight attendant deploying the emergency chute on the jetblue aircraft. it's turned steven slater into an overnight celebrity. another celebrity here is joining me live with all the details. what does this video show? >> it shows the hatch opening. it shows the actual chute being deployed and inflating. and then you see slater jumping down. and you're going to see it in just a second. the good thing is that there's surveillance video rolling at jfk for the entire incident. steven slater as i mentioned,

you see him pretty clearly as we zoom in on this. take a look. >> jetblue flight 1052 had just pulled up to the gate in this exclusive video in new york's wnbc. watch the door on the front of the plane. we're highlighting it. it swings over. the emergency chute inflates and shoots out. wait a couple more seconds. and there's steven slater jumping out. that pole blocks the shot of it, but in slow motion, you can see the jump right there. and with that, steven slater made history. a radio producer was in seat 20-b. >> it was nice actually to finally look at it and kind of put a little closure on it from my perspective having been actually on the plane. >> reporter: but even with this video outside, there were conflicting stories about what really happened inside the plane. steven slater says a rude passenger hit him with a bag and cursed him out leading to his jump out of the plane and folk hero status. >> what do you want to say to all of the people out there who

are calling you sort of a working class hero. >> i'm a little overwhelmed. that was something i had no idea was going out there. >> reporter: some passengers say slater himself was the problem calling him rude and disgruntled the entire flight. >> his behavior throughout the whole flight was a little bit errat erratic. he was walking up and down the aisles slamming the overhead bins. he was slamming the refrigerator door and the ice and whatever they have up there. he was slamming that, as well. >> reporter: on the new video, you can see ground crews working near the plane. prosecutors say the chute could've hurt them, which is why slater is now charged with felonies. he's pled not guilty. >> any regrets? >> that face says it all, huh? >> i wish the camera shot was a little closer so we could see his expression as he jumped out of the plane. was he smiling? was he laughing? >> probably. steven slater hasn't been fired yet. he's still suspended. he says he still wants to be a flight attendant, alex, for

jetblue. but that's not likely. airline executives say there's no excuse for what he did no matter what happened on the plane. he still deployed the chute. that's breaking the law. >> if he's back in the cabin, he's become so famous now. can you imagine jetblue passengers walking in -- good morning, welcome aboard. >> i was trying to think which way this would go, right? would people be scared to go on the plane? is he going to freak out again? or would he be a celebrity and people are looking to get on his flight? >> i don't know, either. you never know. thank you very much. to politics now. and the gop finally take control of the house this fall. the nbc's political unit has identified 64 seats that might switch the parties. all but nine of the most vulnerable seats held by democrats. i'm joined now by washington. good morning again. >> good morning again, alex. >> we should tell when the whole list can be read at firstread.com. but how did you make this list? >> well, over a few days to a week, you know, in watching these races for about a month or

so. you know, we really -- you start to take a look at some of the open seats that are out there, people who are running for other offices. and, you know, some of the freshmen and you start to get a sense -- you start to talk to some of the -- some of the people from both campaigns -- from both parties. and, you know, you really now start to see what other places have been competitive in the past. are there places that president obama, you know, maybe got less than 55% of the vote in the democratic district? are there places that in 2006 when democrats had their wave run -- are there places there? and in 2008 when democrats made gains that, you know, now republicans could perhaps make some pick-ups? >> and seven of the top ten most vulnerable seats on your list are these open seats and those are obviously more difficult to defend, right? >> of course. the open seats are very hard to defend because, you know, incumbents have a very high percentage of being able to win reelections.

over 80% generally. now, this year a lot has been made of antiincumbency. no doubt there's a lot of anger out there. but at the end of the day, either party would rather have a person who has been in office who knows how to raise money, who has an infrastructure to be able to run for re-election. our top seat tennessee 26 would not have even been, you know, probably near even the top half of this list if it weren't for bart gordon retiring. and boom it goes to the top because it's tennessee, tennessee six, right-leaning district, you have a conservative democrat, and now there you go. >> yeah. do the math here for us. because how many seats do the republicans need to pick up? and at this point, how many are likely to pick them up column? >> that's why we do this list. because the big question is will republicans take back the house? everyone wants to know if that's possible. and you get the chattering. let's go through the math. the math here is that the republicans need 39 seats to

take back the house. that's a large number. democrats only won 30 in 2006, now they've won 52 or 54 seats over the past two election cycles. so they're playing on republican ground. but you look through our top 20 to 25 and you say, okay, maybe that goes republican, that goes republican, that goes republican. but when you start getting to 25 to 40, 45, 50, it's not as clear. those are very, you know, those are basically pure toss-up races and you get beyond 50 and 55, and those are sort of lean republican seats. so for this -- for republicans to really take back the house, you start to see the math is somewhat difficult. but if it's a real wave, then, sure. even bad candidates can take it back. but we'll see. but again, it can be somewhat difficult just by looking at the numbers when you go all the way down that list. 25 to 35 is where a lot of

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her amazing performance has captivating the country, but it also has some asking, is it too good to be true? several blogs and online forums have questioned whether her singing ability is the real thing. this after the 10-year-old delivered an incredible performance on nbc's hit show "america's got talent." ♪

>> incredible, huh? and judge howie mandel was kind of thinking ahead. and so he brought up the lip syncing allegations this week. what kind of impact could all of that singing have on the voice of such a young girl? well, joining me live via skype is roger love. good morning, roger. >> good morning. >> this little girl has incredible talent. she was compared to susan boyle. before talking about this, one more time to listen to this performance and video of her singing. ♪

>> wow. okay. this little face, this little 10-year-old girl, what is your reaction, roger, when you hear this sound? this mature voice coming from her? >> my reaction is that she is the real deal. and that she is probably not only one in a million, she's probably one in 5 million or 10 million. but that what you're listening to when you hear a show like that or a record is everything that electronic science can also do. but it's acceptable. i mean, it has reverb and every little gizmo they can put on her voice to make it sound like she's in a giant cathedral they have. but it doesn't take a way from the fact that it's a beautiful

voice. and it would still be an incredible performance. >> are there any downsides down the road for this little girl? i mean having developed such a mature voice at such a young age? >> no downside. what happens with a lot of young people who want to sing or want to study singing, they hook up with bad lessons that put too much pressure on the voice. that allow a young person to kind of belt all the way up in what's called the chest voice, the low voice where she speaks higher and higher and higher. but there's a lot of pressure. that's not what she's doing. she's actually using mostly head voice, which is an area way above -- way above the speaking voice where there's not very much pressure. so it's almost impossible to strain a voice when you're singing high with no pressure. >> yeah, head voice as opposed to chest voice. and one would assume that power she would be belting out from her chest. but it has almost an ethereal

quality. can you compare these two voices? >> jackie is singing in a limited range right now. she's singing lower. so what you're listening to when she's doing the classical pieces is still a more limited range. as she gets older, she's going to get higher and lower. and i guess i would just say that she's singing in a more limited range than charlotte church. charlotte church was singing much higher. >> any advice you can give to jackie at this point in her career? >> to -- to really focus on what she's great at. because i listened to some of the clips of her singing more popular music. and although it sounds really good, there's something magical that happens when she sings classical music. i would say continue in that vain but also really work on developing a style that would make her a successful recording artist so that she leaves every door open. >> yeah. as you said, she's one in 5

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what you just heard there, give me your reaction. >> reporter: well, first of all, i think it's important to remind people that american combat troops are leaving, not all american troops. there are now somewhat less than 10,000 combat troops still in this country. they've already begun to leave. the plan is to have all american combat forces out of the country by the end of the month. after that, there'll be about 50,000 american troops still here for another year or so. and they'll be working as trainers trying to work with the iraqi security forces, make sure that they stay strong enough to maintain stability. what general petraeus was saying, and it's the same thing i heard from general odierno who is the commanding general of this war here in iraq is a note of caution saying that the final chapter hasn't been written. that it's still to be determined what will happen next in iraq. the key question as general petraeus said is the government. there is still no final

government in this country. there were elections here about five months ago. the horse trading between all of the different politicians is still going on, and there is no new prime minister here. that is a weak point, a significant weak point as iraq goes through this transformation with the end of an american combat presence. >> okay. so richard, then, the people, the business owners with whom you've spoken there in iraq, how do they see this departure of american combat troops affecting their daily life, their ability to make money? >> they are nervous about it. not just in their ability to make money, but in their ability to survive, their ability to turn on the lights. the lack of government here means there is almost no infrastructure. baghdad power only arrives -- now officials numbers say about five hours a day when you talk to people. i've heard people say they only have two hours a day and it only comes in 15-minute bursts.

so even when it does come, it's effectively useless and sometimes it comes so strong it'll burn down their house or blow out all of their appliances. so the basic infrastructure in this country is not working very well. and today it's over 120 degrees, it's ramadan, so many people are fasting. so if you don't have power in your house, that means you can't pump fresh water into your house. it is something that affects you very immediately and makes people very, very agitated. so when you're living like this and you're frustrated at the lack of services, frustrated that the government can't provide anything. and then you watch as american combat troops are leaving, you can feel very nervous about that. hey, american troops are leaving, but we're still in a very difficult situation. that's how many iraqis feel. >> well, yeah. but that kind of heat, no food, no power relief there. that's a recipe for disaster. all right, richard engel, thank you very much. >> there is food. there's not a famine here. it's just the services. >> well, also, but if you're fasting.

if you're fasting for ramadan, you're not bringing in the caloric intake to bring your energy up. >> absolutely. >> thanks so much. you can watch david gregory's full interview with david petraeus tomorrow on nbc's "meet the press." let's go to a dramatic rescue in colombia where two young women were trapped in a taxi in rushing flood waters. shortly after the rescue, that car washed away. a leading bookie in england says next year there will be a wedding for prince william and kate middleton. william hill has stopped taking bets because that bookmaker is so sure it's going to happen. why do they think the two will definitely tie the knot next year? is this inside information? >> you know, alex, good morning. i don't think they have any inside information. william hill has basically decided not to take anymore bets on william and kate getting

married next year because they think it is so likely. what they're saying is almost every bet they've taken in the last six months suggests that a 2011 wedding -- everyone's been betting for a 2011 wedding. they decided the market is no longer viable. it doesn't make financial sense for them to continue taking bets. they're taking bets on the months and whether they'll be going on a honey moon. the months they're looking at is june. some are saying she's a summer bride. july is a second favorite because all the formal engagements like the queen's official birthday will be out of the way. and the problem with that month is it'll be 30 years next year since charles and diana got married. january to may are in third place and august is next. but the thing about august, you can't guarantee good weather in this country. it's raining today, for instance. september and december are least likely because it's autumn. and no bride wants to be wandering around when it's cold

and gray. >> what about honeymoon speculation? apparently the caribbean island, that's a leading destination? >> it is a leading destination because they've been there before together. and that's really a favorite as far as kate's concerned. she really likes that location. france is another location, a favorite for celebrities. that's in second place. but william hill is also taking bets on a resort like a down market holiday camp with cheesy entertainment. another one is on the spanish island. that would be like going to las vegas. i think we can safely say that both of those are very, very unlikely. but if you choose those, the odds are 500 to 1, and if they do pick one, you'll be laughing all the way to the bank. >> they don't actually bring the royal touch to them with your description. thank you so much. well, enjoy that tall, cold mug while you can, bar hoppers, because the price of brew is on the rise. beer prices have risen about 2% this year. but some european brewers

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murderers, and she's become friends with a lot of them. >> dr. jeff gardere is here, clinical psychologist. thanks for joining me. >> it's a pleasure. >> she says lindsay's great. what do you hear in all of this? >> what i hear is a mother who is in denial and who wants to protect her daughter and that's not so inappropriate. i think where it does become an issue is when you are so far in denial that it begins to hurt your daughter because you're not telling her what it is that she needs to hear. you're telling her what she wants to hear. yes, lindsay, you're a victim. yes, the judge was overzealous. and now the courts step in and say we're going to tell you what you need to know and that is that you need to get drug rehab. >> okay. so if you say denial, do you think that dina lohan thinks lindsay's fine? >> you know, i don't think she really does think that. i think this is a public forum. and i think matt did a great -- >> great job. >> great interview. >> coming right back at her.

>> but one of the opening zingers. he asked you, do you think your daughter deserved to be in jail? how many mothers, nine out of ten are not going to say, yes, matt, she really -- that little "b" needed to be in jail. >> i'll agree with you there. >> that puts her right on the defensive. >> let's get to the point that matt asked. how about rehab? the reports that lindsay may get out of rehab early. and that's what dina lohan said herself. should she get out of rehab early? doesn't this girl have an addiction problem? shouldn't she get this fixed up? >> absolutely. absolutely not. she should not get out of rehab early. that's what's happened in the past. she's been treated as a star. she's going to rehab under her own circumstances. she wants to dictate how it works. it doesn't work that way. you have to hit rock bottom when you're in rehab, and you have to follow the rules. you don't make up the rules. >> yeah. okay. dina lohan says that lindsay will be moving back to new york when she gets out of rehab.

and she blamed the acute glare of young stars in hollywood. does coming back to live with mom or near mom, does that help things? >> yeah, sure. mom partying with lindsay -- i think if the mom can break out of denial. i think if the mom takes responsibility for what she may not have done as a parent that needed to take lindsay where she needs to be as far as mental wellness. if she's able to acknowledge all of those things, then it may be a good place for her to be. if she doesn't, all that she's doing is being codependent. she's enabling, and lindsay's going to end up in more trouble. i don't think she's ready for that right now. she needs to be in a place, alex, where she is getting tough love. and she ain't going to get it from mama right now. >> i'm not a psychologist, but basted on past reports of what we have seen, but i think it's a really big if, if dina lohan's

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the so-called beauty bandit accused of receiving $3,300 in cosmetic treatments like botox and never paying for them is back behind bars. she surrendered at the ft. lauderdale police department

yesterday where she was charged with grand theft and identity theft. she's been arrested on two similar cases in miami and has since paid those doctors back. she won't admit wrong doing in this ft. lauderdale case where she's accused of repeating that scam. well, a new poll by "usa today" and nutrisystem shows what people are willing to give up for a flat stomach. half of the women said they'd rather go without sex than gain ten pounds. only 1/4 of men felt the same way. others said they'd give up watching tv, shopping, or using a cell phone in exchange for a slim waistline. and joining me now from nutrisystem. do you think, bruce, this shows people are more obsessed with losing weight? are they highly motivated? how are you interpreting this? >> i think the motivation is there, and it's actually very important. whether they're doing it for reasons of appearance and just feeling good about themselves or

they're doing it for health, the benefit's there either way. losing 5, 10, 15 pounds is enough to produce some health benefits. and we need that. for the last 20 to 25 years, this country's been headed in the wrong direction in terms of body weight. and it's starting to affect children now, as well. you know, and it's a global problem. >> well, the cdc backs up what you're saying right now that obesity rates inched up 2% from 2007 to 2009. they've got all these health professional warnings. what is going on here? why is it happening? >> i think there are multiple reasons. but two that are at the top of mine. we live in a candy store. flood is plentiful, it tastes good, it's convenient. and we have devices to be passive and entertained. it's great that people are willing to give up their cell phones or for that matter to give up sex to lose some weight. but we've got to be willing to give up some food to do some portion control, to get up, to do some more walking and make

those changes permanent, otherwise the weight keeps coming on. >> is there anything, bruce, that surprises you about this poll? >> i think the fact that people were so motivated over relatively low amounts of weight. there have been studies published that, you know, somebody who has lost 100 pounds, they'd rather lose a limb than put the weight back on. they'd rather lose an eye than put the weight back on. this is saying that the motivation is there even for relatively small amounts of weight. but again, that's important. if the motivation is the first step. >> before i let you go, are women the one who have more problems? because if you look at over the years, the average woman says she's tried the diet what 16 times? and guys half of that, like eight times. >> well, i think part of that, you saw the figure, men are less motivated to make the change. i think men, we're a little bit more passive. we look in the mirror, we see ourselves a little bit maybe better than we are. there's that rose-colored glasses. so, you know, i think that's -- men have the problem too.

and there are a lot of men who need to lose weight. even people in the field. it's interesting. i know a lot of people who have been working this field, myself included. i used to weigh 30 to 35 pounds more than i do now. having the knowledge is part of the answer. but you have to act. and i guess one of the disappointing things in the survey is there are a lot of people out there that know they want to lose weight, they need to lose weight and they're not doing anything. in the last year or two, they haven't tried. they got to try -- they've got the motivation. they've actually got to try. portion control, changing, making some personal changes. that's the answer. >> well, a vp with nutrisystem, thank you very much for joining me. that's it for this hour. there's a lot more coming up on "msnbc saturday." the airlines are adding fees for just about everything these days. we're going to take a look at what you need to watch out for to avoid those unnecessary charges. plus, we're going to take a look at wild weather from tornado touchdowns to serious flooding. we're going to find out what else is in store for all of us

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