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"countdown" with keith olbermann starts right now. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? o'donnell's phony claim she went to oxford university? she blamed it on a website. tonight, a conservative institute says the application she sent to it includes her resume reading, oxford university, oxford, uk, certificate, awarded summer 2001. when you do that, what's that called again? >> a lie. whether it be a lie or an exaggeration is sdis respect to whoever you're exaggerating or lying to you. >> perhaps this will refresh your memory. the house keeper for the republican candidate for governor in california has the smoking gun. >> it's going to get nastier. >> carl. >> did you say that? >> republican candidate for governor in new york. >> the tea party self destructing. in reality, don't they want to be seen shoving the media? the democrats inexplikably agree no recess appointments by the president. >> and a path to citizenship.

he's in favor of it. funny asks the congresswoman. isn't your network anti-immigrant. then he pulls a freud. >> we're very happy to welcome any democrats on fox news. >> no, i didn't say anti-democrat. i said anti-immigrant. >> still living in the rubble nine months later in haiti. we found a new planet, not too hot, not too cold. >> it could be marshmallow cream or a liquid center. >> all the news and commentary now on "countdown." >> good evening from new york. the tea party is about real people speaking the truth about restoring honor to government. it's about openness and transparency. in the fifth story, keep those attributes in mind as you hear about carl paladino that has been playing all day and the tape that has been been playing all day. keep those attributes in mind as you peruse the tattered shreds of the transcript of christine o'donnell.

a conservative think tank puts what she herself put on the resume to them. it has been reported widely o'donnell claimed for years she had graduated from dickinson university in 1993. but because she failed to pay them $4,000 she owed and to finish coursework, she did not graduate until 2010. we knew a lawsuit of hers falsely claimed she was going to princeton grad school, a claim she blamed on her lawyer despite the fact she filed the suit herself. she went to a conservative think tank called the clairmont institute. then they turned up her web page with the bogus claim. five days later, o'donnell issued a statement. there have been reports i have released false information on a linkedin page under my name.

this is untrue. i completed a summer program run by the phoenix institute at the oxford university location. i completed a lincoln fellowship at the clairmont institute. linkedin took down the claim. as of today, that is small potatoes. linkedin is not the only personal profile website. turns out this christine o'donnell also claims she went to the university of oxford, except this this website says that o'donnell herself verified it. even though it was last updated months before o'donnell got her degree, it also said she had her degree, quoting a zoom info spokesperson, we scanned the web to pull most of our info. it is pulled from a variety of sources. the profile was claimed in 2008, which means she has verified the information and updated it. if it's not clear that o'donnell

verified the lie, there is this from the talking points memo. the conservative claire mont institute has her application that she submitted in 2002. here's what they say it says. oxford university, oxford, uk. certificate awarded, summer 2001. back to carl paladino on in a minute. first, here's david koryn. a second website that said she verified the info. it is one thing to get caught in a lie with such a wonderful academic record to get your various degrees confused. in a lie denying the first lie? >> you know, politicians tend to get the scandals they deserve. she's not a very serious candidate, so we have a not very serious scandal.

linkedin gate and zoom info gate. she has a pattern, that she doesn't get it right. in washington, the old saying, it's not the wrongdoing, it's the cover-up. we seem to have a cover-up of a cover-up. i wonder how much more is going to come out on her background. >> the associated press walks on tiptoes when implying a candidate's dishonesty in the weeks before a campaign. it has written, quote, o'donnell has made incorrect statements about her education before. there was a time in our distant past, four, six years ago when somebody running for the senate might be expected to bow out of a race based on just a statement by the associated press, an assessment like that. what does a 2010 tea party candidate do on when faced with such damning evidence? >> that's easy. you blame the media. why worry about facts at this point?

she's already said this week she believes her campaign is inspired and guided by god. so if you actually believe that, why would you let a little thing like lying on your resume? if god's brought you to this point, god's not too worried about your resume. >> apparently god has lower journalistic standards than he thought. this is the party that's supposed to bring -- as i said before, some nobility in this concept of honesty and transparency to washington. but if lying is okay with the voters who support this group, is that because there's a feeling that anything is okay in the service of the cause because they know the cause is righteous? >> you know, you'd like to think that voters of all stripes care about competency and intelligence in their candidates. so therefore we end up with competent and intelligent government. but i think at this stage, you have a slice of the electorate. we don't know how big it is. that really cares about one thing, anger.

they'll vote for anybody, regardless of their background, regardless of whether they are telling the truth or not. if it expresses their anger. you know, they don't want competent, intelligent government. they want angry government, which is not going to end up giving them anything except they think they need or the country requires. >> is there anything instructive in this about the rest of the republican tea party? does this affect other candidates' approach based on the o'donnell candidacy? she has to convince delaware voters, joe miller has to convince alaskan voters. sharron angle the same in nevada. while o'donnell may be making the tea party look bad. they're rushing to give her lots of money nationally. i doubt it will have an impact

on the other races. when we're looking at the results on november 3rd, we'll look at the it individual result and try to draw national results out of that. they all take place within their own horizons. >> just because it is a bunch of people who have never been out of their homes don't know they all know each other already. thanks for your time tonight. >> the tea party candidate restoring honor to government, standing by his lack of evidence for it and threatening to take out a reporter on camera. and not even a member of the lame stream media. they can't get a fair shake from rupert murdoch. carl paladino was already in the headlines this week for his family values, specifically he likes families so much he started a second family outside his own, furthering a daughter ten years ago with a woman who was not his wife. on tuesday, he was asked about the tone of the campaign.

>> the campaign is being characterized as being nasty. >> it's going to get nastier. sheldon silver and andrew cuomo should get ready, strap in. because this is your life, andrew cuomo. >> okay. if it gets nasty and stuff, as it gets nastier and stuff, is that something that some people -- when you first -- >> i don't mind being nasty. >> that same day, it got a lot nastier. paladino told politico, that cuomo has had paramours, whose marriage ended in divorce after report of infidelity by his wife. and one man dared to ask mr. paladino for evidence. the bleeped word as you shall note is the "f" word. >> do you have any evidence of that? and if you don't, isn't that going into the gutter?

>> a guy who spent a guy part of his life in the gutter should think twice about trying to characterize me. you're a lawyer. you've heard the term. i'm also a lawyer that -- >> what evidence do you have for something that most people on would consider a smear? >> i want to know why you sent your goons after my daughter? i want to know, fred. >> your charge about cuomo, do you have the evidence or not? >> at the appropriate time, i -- >> do you have it? >> yes. >> you have three daughters. >> i have a daughter too, fred! >> you brought it out. >> that's it. >> stay away from me. >> [ bleep ]. >> what evidence do you have? >> say that one more time. >> guys, easy. >> no, come on. >> don't touch me. who are you? who the hell are you? i'm asking a question.

do you have any evidence to the charge you made? >> at the appropriate time, you'll get it. >> this guy is the attorney general of new york. >> and you're his stalking horse. >> what's the evidence? >> you sent another goon to my daughter's house and they'll take you out, buddy. >> how are you going to do that? >> watch. >> are you threatening me? >> with us is the news editor of the talking points website. >> the only words i made out of that are "i've got to go to the bathroom." like something out of a movie. >> like "goodfellas." >> how do you run a right wing campaign in new york state when you've just royally ticked off the new york post? >> it's tough. as a republican, certainly as a conservative republican, you've got the candidate, the campaign manager, and the new york post.

so they're going into it with, you know, a big resource. calling, threatening to rub out, kill, i don't know, a new york post -- one of their top reporters and calling them liars, that's not good. >> what is the choice here? the new york post editor-in-chief made a statement in which he said the claim of sending photographers, the post did not send photographers to follow paladino's daughter. either the candidate or the new york post is lying. >> there might be a credibility on either side. but carl paladino going backs six months or a year has the racist e-mails and the threats. this guy came into this incident with credibility on the red line on empty. you know, once you're threatening to take out reporters, that doesn't give anybody a good feeling. i think this sounds like it's on him for the moment.

>> this isn't the los angeles take-out, in which you take somebody on a date. this is the other kind. >> the empty parking space. >> we shake our heads because we grew up in this country and have a certain premise of what the lines are. they may be broad between the most able and honest politician and the least. isn't this here what tea partiers in their souls want to see? the threat of physical violence, particularly against reporters, isn't this the logical end from the premise that they're the fighters of pure evil in this country? >> you know, there is this question, which tea party candidate is going to lose it and beat the crap out of someone before november 2nd. you've got a situation with the governor candidate in maine where something similar happened a few days ago. i think you're right. the problem is that especially in a state like new york, tea partiers make up, like, maybe 15% of the electorate, 10%, depending on how you want to

define them. a tea party's candidate got to be able to make some pivot toward sanity in the general election. so i think that even though there's a lot of discontent in the country right now, people don't want to hear the person who's going to be running the state government saying he's going to take you out. that doesn't -- people don't feel very good. >> governor, you're going to be sleeping with the fishes. we the new york post calling paladino out for dishonesty. >> you know, i don't think truth matters a great deal in this cycle. that's pretty clear. i think you have that -- the republicans came out with their pledge a few days ago. basically what it says is that debt is the biggest problem facing the nation.

to solve it, we are going to increase the national debt by $4 trillion. that gives you a sense that there are bigger forces in play than the facts. having said that, i don't think christine o'donnell is going to win in delaware. i don't think it's looking much better for carl paladino. you've got this case in california with meg whitman which is different. i don't think people are saying that meg whitman is crazy. she got herself in a tight spot. i think this cycle, truth is not a big factor, but it's not no factor. even for 2010, you get into trouble. i think christine o'donnell and carl paladino and someone else over the next month will cross that line. >> charles marshall, thanks for coming in. as he fights off another say anything tea partier in nevada, harry reid inexplicably cuts a deal with the republicans to preclude any recess appointments

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why did he make a deal guaranteeing the republicans that the president would make no recess appointments? the bag of magic beans. he testifies his network is not anti-immigrant and anti-democrats. of course nobody asked him about being anti-democrats. she's still running for governor of california. after today's revelation, i'm not sure how. it is impossible to believe one senator from oklahoma could be responsible for haitian relief victims still living in rubble but it's true.

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in november 2007 senate majority leader harry reid kept the senate in session so president bush could not make any recess appointments. last night, harry reid kept the senate in session so his own party could not pass any bills. senate democrats slink out the door on their way home. senator reid has to agree to schedule proforma sessions during the next six weeks. in a deal struck with mitch mcdonnell, the 110 nominees were confirmed. the vast majority of the stalled nominees would have been confirmed by a simple up or down vote, except such votes have been blocked as these nominees

have been held up under a variety of senate rules abused for maximum effect. republicans have slowed president obama's agenda. where's the so-called deal? mcconnell had threatened the democrats with this. he would have sent obama's more obscure nominees back to the house. they would have to be resubmitted, slowing the process down even further. mcconnell did this in august with five of the president's nominees. if this seems lopsided, it may be because of democrats. most persons in a recent poll said they admired no-comprise politicians. while republicans in strong numbers were against compromise, democrats were generally in favor of it. the noncomprisers draw the greatest concessions from the

compromisers, not the other way around. let's turn to "newsweek" columnist ezra klein. i thought we had the parameters understood about how broken the senate actually is. explain why this indicates we were narrow minded in our thinking. >> the rule about the senate is as broke as you think it is, wait a week. this is what we're doing. the deal is pretty much as you described it. there is going to be essentially fake sessions of congress in the senate for six weeks. there will be fake sessions of the senate because if these judicial nominees go 30 days without a vote, he can send them back. the committee hearings all over again. in order to do that, no recess appointments. the old director can't be put in, who is being held up by mary landrieu. and larry diamond can't be

recess appointed. it's really giving up quite a lot for it. reid's people say they're very happy from the deal. from the outside, it looks like a strange bargain. >> did they make it because mcconnell was saying, if you think this confirmation progress is stalled, just wait? >> mcconnell and the republicans have been enormously effective in holding up obama's nominees. they are waiting five times longer on average than under george bush. they struck a deal it seems to everybody else to get a bunch of the nominees out. 50 were confirmed last night. in return, the controversial nominees are held. they're not necessarily all that controversial. of the 59 nominees who were passed with a unanimous consent, they were held up too. supposedly they were so controversial. but they have weren't

controversial when it came down to it. >> what would have happened if the majority leader had stood up to the threat? >> it's not clear. you can try to change the rules and refuse to honor the agreements. you're seeing something new happen in not just additional but nominations recently. this attempt to take them off the table. now that both parties are doing this you have a process where you can't confirm nominees or recess-appoint nominees. what you'll end up having after that is that talented people won't go into government. they'll prefer to do what elizabeth warren did if they do go into government, which is give a temporary, nonsenate confirmed and less powerful position so they don't have to wait a year with no certainty of getting the job. in the long run, what we'll have is a much less effective government. >> if this were not all good enough news, democrats agreed to spending cuts to keep the

government running through december? >> republicans threatened a government shutdown. in order to get a continuing resolution, they had to agree with republicans that they would cut spending somewhat. it is interesting. it's the way the minority has a lot of power. it's hard to explain to americans why the majority has to give away so much. >> or doesn't have any sometimes. >> elsewhere in the senate, the staffer from georgia, senator sacksby chambliss' office, who posted a slur has been found and fired. he posted that the senator caused him personally to apologize and tell him about the slur. the original post said, all blank must die. the ip address was traced back

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they asked rupert about his network's anti-immigrant stance and he said, we're not anti-democrat. guilty conscience, rupe? that's ahead. all we've got on an i.d. here is killer tofu who writes,

how long do you think before we find out christine o'donnell pitched for the '93 orioles? we begin in anchorage, with the new station wagon models that are out. this retiree decided he needed something to do with his free time so he transformed his pickup truck into an old wagon. it took him over 11 months to complete the transformation. it's street legal and gets great gas mileage rolling downhill. to the internet. the perfect gift for all literalists. a kevin bacon made out of bacon. kevin bacon? looks more like conan o'brien. after deciding that cooked bacon

would pose a rot factor problem, the artist opted to go with bacon bits. it is being sold on ebay to help raise money for the nonprofit group ashley's team. the current bid is $353 plus shipping. looks like somebody really wants to bring home the bacon. to the windy city where the contest or the next governor of illinois is in full swing. bill brady has been hitting the incumbent hard about his promise not to live in the governor's mansion. mr. quinn used the saying, where i lay my hat is my home. then he decided to describe a differently article of clothing. >> it's very clear i live there. i have plenty of clothes there. even my underwear are there. that's important. >> wow. tmi. don't anybody ask him about the executive bathroom.

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today, to a house subcommittee. an immigrant testified on behalf of immigration reform, dismissing proposals to deport undocumented workers. one would expect fox news to be all over, considering it was the same panel that heard testimony from steve colbert last week and lobbying for amnesty for illegals. instead of hyperventilating as it did over colbert, the fox folks were fairly subdued, meaning they only mentioned it once, odd considering the testimony came from their boss, rupert murdoch. along side mayor bloomberg, testifying as part of a coalition of mayors and business owners, citing his own experience as an immigrant of this country. he affirmed that the policy would strengthen this country.

>> today the country is deeply divided over imgraigz policy. many are worried immigrants will take their jobs or change their community. >> whose bloody idea is that, sparky? i wonder why they got those ideas. >> we have many of people who have not respected american law and american sovereignty. >> deport them. >> mr. murdoch continuing his plea for reform. >> while supporting complete and pressure closure of all borders to future illegal immigrants, our partnership advocates reform to give a path to citizenship for responsible, law-abiding immigrants who are in the usa today without proper authority.

it is nonsense to talk of expelling 11 or 12 million people. not only is it impractical, it is cost prohibitive. >> democrat maxine waters pressing mr. murdoch on why those reasonable views don't seem to be reflected in any of his new outlets? >> why are you here with a basically decent proposal, talking about the advantage of immigrants to our economy, but i don't see that being promoted on fox? >> we have all views on fox. if you wish to come and state these views, we'd love to have you on fox news. >> no, i don't want to be on there. that's not what i'm talking about. i'm talking about -- >> we don't censor that. we are not anti-immigrant on fox news. >> what is the difference? why don't you use your power to help us to promote what you're talking about?

>> i would say that we do. we certainly employ a lot of immigrants on fox. and in all arms of fox. you're talking about fox news. we have many immigrants there. we do not take any consistent anti-immigrant line. we have debates about it from both sides. >> we have over 4,000 australians named bruce working for the company. >> later congresswoman linda sanchez questioned him on this sentence, as is isn't your network anti-immigrant? >> i don't think we're anti-democrat. >> no, i didn't say anti-democrat. i said anti-immigrant. >> republican congressman lamar smith to the rescue. >> there was an independent study done that actually showed that fox was the most fair of all the television news programs. if you're coming from a liberal perspective, it might seem conservative.

to the objective observer, fox has both sides more often than the other three networks. >> oddly, mr. smith has a point about both sides. here's mr. murdoch back in june discussing immigration with somebody who looks like host steve deucy. >> you touched a moment ago, mr. murdoch, on the politics of this. this is a political hot potato. how do you get by the partisan so out there and so biting for a while? >> i don't know. but i think it can be done. i think the mayor has shown how you get past it in the city of new york. i think we can show to the public the benefits of having migrants and the jobs that go with that. >> perhaps sensing panic and/or betrayal from the fox viewer at home, after the boss left, the real steve deucy kicked out his more reasonable avatar and got everybody back on message. >> tell us about the threat of illegal amnesty by executives

where millions of illegals in this country. there's something going on where an executive order being make them legal? >> thousands of illegal immigrants are being urged to participate in the 2010 census. >> including illegals. and the more illegals in a district, the better for people in congress. >> there you are, congressman smith. both sides. out of the same guy's mouth. emperor testifies the same day a new world is discovered. coincidence? i think not. the judge was handing out acorns filled with condoms? he's from a pennsylvania town with a legendary name. when rachel joins you, the super pacts with their super secret money.

not only is there a copy of a letter that proves this candidate for governor to be a liar, but it's a big, giant-check sized letter.

derrick pitts with the announcement of planet glee. it's a planet orbiting around a star?h

. we found a new planet that might sustain life. we found it with taxpayer dollars. tea party, should we unfind it? that's next. get out your pitch forks and torches.

to judge, isaac stoltsfutz. he was discovered last month handing women acorns, inside the acorns was condoms. police said it was disorderly conduct. considerable confusion over how he did this, leading to this great quote. it is unclear how he concealed the condoms. capital police are holding several nuts as evidence. condoms, acorns, unopened nuts. what ties this all together? a little town outside lancaster in which the judge resides, intercourse, pennsylvania. our runner-up, meg whitman, running on a hold employers liable for illegal workers platform. when it was revealed she had

revealed an undocumented worker, whitman blamed it on an agency that sent the worker to her. then whitman's husband saying that the woman might be here illegally. she suggested the housekeeper had stolen the letter so whitman wouldn't see it. perhaps this will refresh your memory. gloria allred, the lawyer for the hourskeeper, released a giant copy of the letter, information partially filled out, along with a note that says, nicky, please check this. so a candidate for governor of california lied and suggested the victim was a liar and a thief. ms. whitman, just say oops and get out. our winner, senator tom coburn of oklahoma.

you and i sat here in horror last spring as haiti suffered through aftershocks and sat here as our government pledged 1.2 billion in aid. not a dime of the aid has gotten to haiti yet. the senate has not passed the authorization bill directing the money to be spent. the bill had a senatorial hold placed on it. the associated press reports that hold was placed by senator coburn. his objection? the creation of a senior haiti coordinator whose salary and staff would cost $1 million a year. he said it's unnecessary because we have an ambassador to haiti. 1,300,000 haitians are homeless so tom coburn can boast to his conservative buddies he prevented wasteful spending and they can clap him on the back and tell him what a big man he

is instead of telling him he is committing an atrocity in haiti. senator tom coburn, today's worst person in the world.

20 light years from earth, there is a star called gliese 581 that has three planets circling it in what astronomers call a habitable zone. one is too hot for life to exist and the second is too cold. and the third is just right. scientists report the existence of a planet dubbed the goldilocks planet.

at some point, the three space bears will return and they will be pissed to find us there. the announcement coming in the form of a scientific foundation webcast and publication in the astro physical journal. the scientists led the teams that discovered gliese 581g. close enough to the red dwarf star to sustain liquid water on its planet. the other half the sun is always up. like a celestial mcblt. the line between the light and dark is called the terminator and believed to be the most habitable place for life. >> so you have on this planet over billions of years, very stable zones where the ecosystem stays the same temperature.

you have ecolongitude. if you like hot zones, if you're a creature that evolves to have hot things, you move toward the star side. if you're a polar bear or something that likes cold zones, you move toward the shadow side. you find your zone where you're the most comfortable. it stays like that basically forever. >> see? what'd i tell you? bears. the reason we know about gliese 581g is because of these two scientists and the hard work of their teams, teams supported by the national science foundation and nasa, each funded by you, the taxpayer at home. come up with a better name than gliese 581g. if these astronomers are proven correct, it could fly in the fact of long-standing arguments that earth's unique design implies a special purpose for humanity. not if you can do it over there too. what now? let's turn to gerald franklin,

the man i turn to when i have stupid questions about serious subjects. apart from the space bears, how important is this in your assessment? >> this will be an opportunity to invent space bear mace. it is a big thing. when we look around the universe, we found the most numerous stars are the red dwarf stars. by finding a system like this, it also means we'll find many, many more kinds of planets. >> i was going to ask you about this. i took two years of astronomy in high school. both times it was right before lunch. i sort of faded in and out of the class. because the room would get dark and it would be very quiet in the hum of the projector. i thought red dwarf stars were in terms of the prospect around them essentially inert and useless. >> it would seem that way.

what's going on is that the red dwarf stars radiate a small amount of energy. you pack the planets closer to the star and then they can get the radiation they need to create a liveable environment, if you will. the idea though is that it's now become apparent that the red dwarf stars are the most numerous throughout the entire universe. lots of possibilities for other places we might find some life. >> 1 out of every 500 planets could support life? are we going to get more goldilocks planets? did the statistical prospect just improve? >> i think it did improve. now we've been able to identify clearly there is a habitable zone around the stars. within that zone, it is possible to find planets that are getting closer to the size and mass of earth. that's the other important piece. >> there are people on this planet who believe as a species we're unique and alone in the universe and deliberately placed

here. the arguments begin over who, what, when and for what purpose. what discovery does that mean for those people? is it significant enough to say, we have more facts to throw at you? >> the people who choose to go in that direction of believing in a supreme being that created this one planet with this life as being unique may have to expand their thinking about what their supreme being is really capable of. imagine that as a supreme being, you create this entire universe. would you create just one planet alone out of the billions of stars and possible tens of billion of other planets? you could experiment with different life forces, life styles on all these other planets if you wanted to. >> if we were the first experiment, whoever it was might have just stopped while they were behind.

planet here. explain the importance of our tax dollars specifically in this kind of research. >> in this kind of research, what's happening here is that these tax dollars are driving research. that drives the education system that creates the astronomers to be able to do this work. it drives the technological capability to do this. we are making ourselves smarter and we are making ourselves more technologically capable. these technologies trickle down throughout the culture and provide improvements in all kinds of other ways we see further down the road. also, the most important thing is that it gives us the opportunity to train people to be quality thinkers. that's really important these days and will become more important in the future. >> not to get overly political

on you when this is a science segment. could do you get the feeling that science is under attack not merely philosophically, and not merely educationally but mon tearily, like somebody is trying to shut the tap off just when the good, clean water is coming out? >> it certainly seems we are not putting the dollars where we really need to put the dollars. science is a place that is extraordinarily important for that. we can't think about the possibility of shutting down science. science is what makes it possible for the billions of people on this planet to hopefully, at some pointed, improve their quality of life on the planet. as we get more and more people here, it is going to become more and more important for that technology to help us make it better for everybody. >> plus, we now have interstellar bears. derrick pitts, always a pleasure, sir. >> watch out for the bears, keith. >> that's september 30g9, the