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smackdown in connecticut. show starts right now. we're coming to you from washington where lawmakers are hard at work getting americans back to work. kidding. they're back in their districts getting re-elected. latest round of poll numbers republicans more fired up, but the outlook not rosy for any party. approval of democrats, record there. the only people that can beat it, the republicans at 67%. one day, the democrats are down. next day, the republicans. the american public is not happy with either party and what happens on november 2nd is still to be determined.
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let's bring in chuck todd. chuck, we are talking about this yesterday. how big is the gap between the understanding of the anger in this country and the ability to actually address it in washington? >> what's interesting is that that seems to be the gap. on the campaign trail, you're seeing candidates channel it. but what seems to be where there seems to be a disconnect is what is it they're frustrated about because different voters, you have an angry set on one side. you have a frustrated set. you have a very frankly, a pessimistic set of voters and the whole stew is created in antiwashington sentiment out there, so you're even seeing democrats trying to capture that and channel it where they can. if they're not an incumbent specifically and since they have an opportunity to hat, but it's mostly benefitting the republicans because they're not the other guys.
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that's what the mandate is going to be clear on election day which was we're upset at washington, figure it out, make it work. the question is, how that mandate gets interpreted. from. >> joining the conversation with us, former representative tom davis. how does this in your view compare to what was going on in 1994? >> you have a political system that has delivered no good news in ten years. in '94, the republicans had been out 40 years. people wanted a change. suspicious of the whole system. republicans will benefit, but not because people are hoisting on to our agenda. it's because we're the opposition. >> to that end, there's a quote in the most recent gallup,
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polled voters asked why they support the republican candidate, more than a third cite a negative reason. either to stop democrats, oust an incumbent or oppose obama, which obviously none of that is to be for something. >> i'm not surprised that's the way they are say thag in a poll because all of the tv advertising is negative. whether it's democrats at republicans, the republican message in all of these campaigns, whether it's west virginia senate, whether it's colorado senate, or anywhere in between is stop the obama agenda or put a check on the obama agenda or stop this one party spending this. that, to me, is not surprising that's the response. that's the message they're getting from the voters. it is a pessimistic ad camepaig you're seeing on both sides. somebody said a couple of months
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ago, if 2008 was the hope election, this was the fear election. republicans are running on this idea they're trying to tell voters, you have the fear the obama agenda going unchecked. democrats are now running on their own version. that republican is going to take away your medicare, your social security. both messages are creating this fear in the entire electorate. >> you and i know it's useless as policy before and after election day if we don't create investment in this country, if we don't create jobs, they'll keep tossing politicians. do you think this will deliver that message or will it be misinterpreted by this town? >> i'm afraid it's going to be misinterpreted. the 2012 election starts the next day and you'll go through more gridlock. you may have a gridlocked congress with the senate
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controlled by one party, you may have a senate controlled by nobody. one party would preside. hard to get anything. >> why is it, tom, when i come down here, i'm lucky to be able to go around and meet are dlimpbt politicians and staffers and it is so clear there's lo h low-hanging fruit that either party could attack to restore is smallest bit of confidence. or any of the money in politics legislation, whether you get it in or out, at least creating the transparency for the flow and neither party seems to be willing to go near it. >> they're looking at how does this position them via the other party. >> i feel either party could come in and say, listen, i know you don't trust us. you shouldn't. >> it can happen. it happened with us.
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that probably bill clinton and the republican congress woke up and said, we're not getting anything done. they're going to fry both of us. we got together and balanced the budget for four years. the alignments in the parties and groups that control them make it hard to compromise. look at what happens to members who compromise. they get in primaries in both parties. >> do you get any sense to tom davis's point? people in d.c. that feel they want to fry both of us so to speak? >> well, what i get frustrated at frankly, you'll hear and i know that tom hears this, too, you'll talk to members individually. both democrats or republicans and in an off the record moment, they'll say talk about this idea, that individually, they want to do this or glad they were able to do that or couldn't vote for it, but had to vote against it because that's just what the party caucus called for. they couldn't get mad at this
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interest group. you wonder where there's a breaking point where you start seeing folks that are members of this institution not retiring. what i'm amazed at, you hear evan bayh talks about how broken the senate is after he announces he's not running again. will somebody who gets in there who is running and putting their own, do they have a bull worth moment and say, you know what, this system is broken and i'm going to stay here and try to fix it. >> is that what tom coburn's doing? if you were to look at the out of touch criticism and data, 85,000 is the average salary. in this town, $49,000. the unemployment rate is low. 6%. the national rate is 9.5%. the case for d.c. being out of touch is easy to make statusically, but to chuck's point, in private, alone,
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people, policy advisers, serving politicians, executives, seem more in touch than they let on and yet when they go into the arena, the behavior is as dysfunctional as it appears. it's too easy to say they're out of touch. when you walk into the room, you behave like your out of touch. >> i think the members know it's a broken system, but you have a system who rewards and punishments by the coalitions and parties that make it unforgiving to buck the party line within that party coalition. >> am i too nieve to not understand why one political party or the other doesn't go on a campaign of common sense having to do with some of the process aspects like i said, earmarks, transparency.
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>> obama hit that theme during the campaign. bush tried the same thing. >> what happened? >> they came to washington. >> what does that mean? >> when it goes to tom's point about this, which is the idea that the system sort of punishes those that do try to go across the aisle because you will get primaried on left or signed some pledge that you cannot support any type of tax or something like that and it locks you, handcuffs you in. if you violate it, boom. s irk siu is going to sponsor some pri prior. when i read a statistic, in a "vanity fair" piece, there were something like 1100 lobbyists per member of congress. that's an issue here that doesn't get a lot of attention.
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and you know, that frankly is also by the way, what is boosting the average salary in washington, d.c. there is a whole sort of non-government, government connected industry that is able to prop up the economy. it's going to take some sort of bull worth moment that neither party is that comfortable with. >> thank you so much for the analysis. coming up here on a special edition of "the dylan ratigan show" from d.c., how do we channel all our anger, that sense of wrong and powerlessness? into action and solution. how do we build bridges and not motes? three people, all heroes in their own way, fighting to help keep america great by eliminating the concept of us and them and restoring the concept of us. arianna huffington, susy buffett
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and seth reams talking solutions to the problems they see in their communities and how we can apply that way to be throughout the country. back after this. pleasure. don't worry, lucky, these new wheat thins crunch stix will save us. [ crunch ] look! [ helicopter noise ] [ grunting ] [ male announcer ] introducing new wheat thins crunch stix.
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it is that promise that's always set this country apart. that through hard work and sacrifice, each of us can pursue our individual dreams, but still come together as one american family to ensure that the next generation can pursue their dreams as well. >> that of course then senator
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obama's acceptance speech in '08. a message full of hope and optimism for restoring the american dream, but as my next guest points out, we have strayed from that path. we all find ourself in danger of becoming a third world america. and joining us now, arianna huffington, editor in chief of the "huffington post" and author of "third world america" how are politicians are abandening the middle class and american dream. also, suzy buffett and -- back with us, seth reams, a man who also made a choice to found an organization entitled, we've got time to help.
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you may be familiar with seth from his appearance here in the past or with arriarir arianna. >> the risk is that the middle class the crumbling. we are being divided as a country and without the middle class, the mobility at the heart of the american dream and education starting earlier, without all that, then we're at risk of becoming a third world country. i'm excited about being here with suzy and seth. instead of complaining about what's happening like i do in my writing, my book and the "huffington post," we need to actually act. there's nothing that is better to turn the anger and despair into hope and opt mimism than
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action. and those two are acting from a very different perspective. suzy from her previous background is using what she has. and seth from having lost his job, he turns that into something, which is helping thousands of people and potentially even more. thanks to what you're doing to promote. >> but what do you think is the common value system that bonds anybody? that leads to somebody behaving in a way that contributes as opposed to a way that consumes. >> i think that everybody has said that we have the better angles of our nature as well as our basic instincts. so either one to the other and in a since, suzy and seth epitomize what life is like when we operate from our better angels.
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>> i'd love to learn more about what you're doing. >> i see omaha as the whole country, if we can do it, it can be maybe tweaked for other places. our main focus, child care for the poorest children. we started thinking we would stay in omaha and it sort of mushroomed into this giant thing, which is great. it started because our superintende superintendent, we have over 100 languages. when i went to him and said i i have this money, he could have gotten all the money. he said don't give me any of it. go out and find out who's doing the best work in early childhood and if the kids came in to kindergarten prepared, we could teach them. >> explain to everybody and we're showing people the
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statistics, how many are in low income. 42%. how much money is available for birth to 5. 6% is funded. an embarrassment. explain how determined it is, what happens between birth and 5 and 5 how the resources between that point in time are costly. >> brain development is fascinating. really mostly the same. >> i was the same. it's all about opportunity and the poorest kids do not have the same opportunities and when they go to school, they start failing. they haven't had books, all the stuff that kids living in the upper middle class households have. they start off the bat going downhill. i've learned in my brain
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development, which sounds boring, but it's not, 700 sin apss per second are connecting between the ages of 0 and 3. 700 per second. >> literally, the development of the human brain. >> it is. and i don't think people -- people need to pay more attention to that. >> it's interesting because we invest a lot in k-12, but we don't think as a society about the 42% of u.s. children under the age of 6 living in low income at a time when their brains are developing where we are devoting no resources. you gave me a good line the other night about who's going to change my iv bag. >> i get frustrated because i feel some people think, oh, it doesn't matter, my kids are out of school, it's not my problem. but i friend of mine said to me, when you're lying in the icu and they come in to change the bag,
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you better hope they can read. >> the 4-year-olds of people you don't know are as important as your own. >> what suzy's demonstrating is that the place where we live matters to us and very often, we stop seeing because let's say we're living a safe home and our kids are maybe going to a private school, we stop seeing what's around us. there is a lot of what suzy is doing under the title, find your own calcutta because that's what mothers used to tell her when she went to volunteer in calcutta. find your own calcutta and see where the needs are. that's what suzy's doing. trying to help teenage girls not to get pregnant. whatever the problem is, like you would do in a family. where ever the family is, that's
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where you offer your care and resources, your attention. >> seth, it's one thing for somebody with a lot of resources, it's another for an unemployed concierge to do the same thing suzy buffett would do. give us a little bit of how you decided to think the same she's thinking and how it has impacted your life. >> yeah. i mean, it was the same recognition. it was for me, at the beginning, it was personal recognition. that i just was no longer contributing to society in any form. i just withdrew completely from society. and so that was the what started it. and then it moved on from there and opened our eyes to the communities and neighborhoods. that people just were not
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contributing anymore. >> people were building mote and not bridges around their own houses and lives. you decided to start a bridge building business. >> sure. >> the past couple of months. >> the past couple of months have been phenomenal and thanks a lot of our team and obviously, arianna. >> think of us just gas on the fire. you're the fire. we're a can of gasoline. >> speak for yourself. >> we have grown expo nen in our ability to reach out to people not just in portland, oregon. we're getting calls and e-mails and text messages from all around the country. in fact, we received e-mails from poland and ireland that are going to start similar organizations there. it's just phenomenal.
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the need is great. >> if you were to look at the scale of what you're doing, the rapid scaling of what we're seeing with seth, how can people watching, people reading arianna's book, duplicate or help you with the efforts you've undertaken so that you're not responsible for the 4-year-olds more than anyone else. >> everyone needs to get involved. even if you have an hour a week, a month, do something. >> in a sense, last night when you were talking with suzy's dad, warren buffett, he says that we have an overabundance of time and talent in this country, so why are we focusing on our deficits. let's see what we can do. seth lost his job and he had a lot of time on his hands. he created time to help.
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suzy has a lot of resources. without caring, doesn't get us anywhere and she's employing them in her background. 26 million people out of work. imagine contributing and what it would do to them. seth is -- different levels himself as well as contributing to others. >> i want to thank you for putting together your merry band of -- and i want to thank you two for being brave enough to come into public and share your stories so that others get the opportunity, to not only understand, but the opportunity to help. >> thank you. >> thank you. i look forward to talking to all three of you soon. forget republicans and democrats. i've said that before, i'll say it again. the big victory may be the university of michigan. and their computer hackers. we'll explain after this. gecko: good news sir, i just got an email from the office
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we're back with a folks who want us to vote on the internet. the d.c. board of elections tested a new system last week. they invited computer experts, hackers, to test the system on it. one michigan professor gave his homework to his students. they did crack the code after a couple of days. the hacking was made known through the following indication. that of course the university of michigan's fight song. the victors in this case being the hackers who managed to get in after a couple of days to a system that would theoretically be used to elect our president. not yet. to do this means they had access to change anything on the website. they were nice enough to give you a song, which if there were
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real could mean anything from altering voter registration to changing votes. the glitch has been been fixed. still more ahead from washington at this hour. putting an end to the nation's job wars is the answer. then republican candidate picking up steam in democratic-leaning connecticut, but we're asking again, are voters turning out to the right for all the wrong reasons? none of the above. the against line? anyone know? plus, the outside finding its way in. the unprecedented amount of money going to this year's candidates. no transparency on either side. the e-team along to discuss. was gathered together in one place. [ printer whirs ] done.
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community colleges aren't just the keys to the students,
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also for the country. >> president obama promoting his plan for community colleges today hoping to increase the number of grad yats by 5 million over the next ten years. a wlower cost way to learn new skills. more and more people entering the economy with a bleak job outlook. is community college the answer or maybe an overall reform of the entire educational system. joining us now, zeb goldstein. thanks for joining us to share your experience, particularly because you appear to have solved it so to speak, or found a path. take us through a little bit of how you found yourself without
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work, then you made the decision to choose the path you're on. >> sure. well, i graduated from the university of south carolina in 2007 in the field of biological sciences and really just could not find an area to work in around here. living in columbus, there's little opportunity for biology students. i continued working in the restaurant industry and after graduation, found myself are a problem. the answer came by way of a local community technical school and i got introduced to the nuclear engineering technology program there and it, you know, seems to be very luck rative and expanding field, et peswith the energy crisis. >> i was looking at the notes coming into this, how did you choose an energy field as opposed to health care that also may have demand? >> well, i just did a little bit
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of research on the internet. specifically around careers that were basically recession proof. health care being one. however, there is an eight-year schooling period to go back to medical school and mounting educational costs associated with that, where as the community schools, a two and a half year program, i'm about finished with it and i've only amounted about $8,000 in debt. also, with the 6% interest rate for student loans, it's really not much of a choice. now that you're going to be a nuclear engineer, are you going to be able to get us off of foreign oil? >> that's the hope. the nuclear industry is a very safe and very practical solution to our current energy crisis and you know, in the future, with our reactor here locally
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producing 1,000 megawatts of power r it's not much of an issue. we wut in just a couple of tons of uranium pellets and it can run for 18 months with no problem as opposed to coal, which is producing greenhouse emissions and taking up thousands of tons of coal. not much of a question to that. >> not only do i compliment your adaptability and willingness to go where the action is, but i thank you for helping get this country off foreign oil one day at a time. zeb graduated from south carolina in '07. went to the action, now about to graduate from a community college and work as a nuclear engineer.
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one of many stories of success in a difficult market for job wars. thank you for the time. still ahead, the e-team. nate silver with the idea of why the third party is not as farfetched. some models look so mad.
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time to dip into the political headlines with our a-team. every tuesday, we've been bringing together some of the best minds in the business. from the left, we're joined by democratic strategist, karen finney, brian donahue. jimmy williams and nate silver of "the new york times." each one looking more fe roegs than the next. let's begin with the senate smackdown. blumenthal versus mcmahon. >> the first thing let me say categorically that is wrong and false and incorrect in this ad is that i would consider redu reducing the minimum wage. that's a lie. i never said it and it's in your ad and boy, that's just wrong.
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let's take that off table. >> i'm proud of my military service. on a few occasions, i described it inaccurately and regret it. >> mr. donahue. >> it's funny. we're talking about connecticut. >> why? >> a place where most people said the northeast was hands off to republican, but we saw massachusetts, new jersey flip seats. this is incredible. back to this particular race, no one thought it was going to be such a big race, but everybody's been impressed with the kind of campaign that linda mcmahon has running. this piece of blumenthal in this kind of year where trust wwort y trustworthyness is important -- >> odd that a ceo -- >> there are plenty of honest
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ceos. >> this is the charge that blumenthal answered over the summer. early voting is started, it's like she's saying, hey, in case you forgot. released it right before the debate. >> brian really hit it out of the gate. what does it say about the state of politics in this country that a state that was thought to be off limits to the right is in play? >> i think this is a little overrated. you saw the quinnipiac poll. >> i don't like to go there either. >> about ten points ahead. this state is kind of a mirage, should focus on states where they are tied or leading. she got as much as they could buy. going to be a safe looking seven or eight-point win for
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blumenthal. >> 22 million bucks mcmahon. there's a current republican governor in the state of connecticut after january of next year, there will be a democrat that will be the governor of connecticut. the entire delegation will be made up of democrats. it is not a republican state. >> third party. nate silver out with a large set of data. making the case for the market being right for such a party. we hear this on and off, why is it any different this time? >> i think because you have low opinions of both parties. you have with this, with the internet, more ways for candidates to raise their profile and raise money in a hurry. you also have a weak set frankly of potential republican nominees. if you have obama with 40%, 38% approval and sarah palin is the republican nominee, mike bloomberg's going to be thinking
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about race. >> jimmy, how much does the wide open and sort of cowboyish nature of the way money can be spent politically right now actually help a third party? >> let's be honest. we finally have figured out that the tea party does not exist. it's the far right wing of the conservative party. there is no third party. let me ask this question of the panelists and maybe it's a rhetorical question. after they make these gains in november and the republican leadership then has to deal with these folks on the right, what's going to happen? will they be happy? no. then there might be a third party challenge in 2012 and that's going to make barack obama the next president of the united states and again, he will win with 60% of the vote. >> every six or ten year, you know, they're talking about a new kind of candidate and party. >> a candidate right there.
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the stars and stripes. carry on. you should think about running. >> i appreciate it. the -- these candidates, whether it's president obama or the republican candidates, do not pay attention to what voters are saying this year who are rejecting the policies of washington, it could very much open the door for a third party candidate. >> we always talk about this. here's the bare bones facts. you still need the infrastructure, the ground game. >> we're going to run brian as a third party candidate. you're going to run the campaign. >> we got to get him on the ballot. there's a whole process to do that. we don't have a state party infrastructure that we can rely on that they call their volunteers and you're on the ballot. we got to find those people and recruit these people. >> how much? >> it varies from state to state. >> thousands of signatures.
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you've got to get on t ballot. you need your field troops base cl. no candidate thus far, mike bloomberg or donald trump, the only two who could write the check. >> do you get the sense there's enough frustration that it could clear these hurdles? >> there are a lot of scenarios. you could have a spin-off candidacy. olympia snowe is going to have trouble in maine. i don't know. but i think people are going to be thinking about that. partisan becoming more narrow. you could have a populous in the motive of a ross perot. there are a lot of different ways and things could come to the front. it merits more attention this year and in the cent past.
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>> one thing we do know regardless of what party you're affiliated with is that money is flying into this town and our political process on an unprecedented level. a friend once said to me, a run away train and it's heading towards the wall, get out of the way. is this the train, jimmy? >> i got that from dick durbin from iillinois, so yeah, it's dwood advice. the outside money does bother me. the dnc just reported 16 million last month. that's a huge number considering democrats a hated. they raised $16 million. it's still going to be a drop in the bucket for the outside group. what concerns me the most was reported today and that is that foreign nationals, foreign corporations, have somehow figured out a way to break federal law and get money into
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the political system. that is not just okay. it is a gangster law for a foreign national to get any money into our u.s. political system on the federal, state or local level. >> what about jimmy -- you shouldn't even be obliged to argue that point. there's no debate on that. does anybody have insight as to how that came to be? karen? >> i think it's through the u.s. chamber of commerce. you have some companies that have offices here and in foreign countries and through their american affiliates, apparently this is what democrats were warning about when the decision first came down. i think it's going to make it a lot tougher for the republicans come january when democrats come back to this issue, to fight the idea that we need to know what's going on and who's giving what money. >> the supreme court opened up the ability for people to have free speech in america. it used to be just controlled by the unions an other groups.
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sciu -- teacher's union. i've got pages of all the states. >> i don't think anybody's any happier with that money -- i guess for me, what strikes me is listen. the unions are throwing money around. the oil companies are throwing money around. i don't care. they're not doing it in public. they're doing it in secret. and now, it's gotten so apparently easy that you can not only do it in secret, but in secret from china. we wonder why we don't want to respond to china, maybe it's because the chinese companies are sending money -- i'm making this up -- but my goodness. >> what the partisan attacks are not disclosing is the fact they
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have to file with a irs. some have to file immediately and disclose their donors. some have to wait for filing period. >> jimmy, is there disclosure here? >> disclosure is required by law, however, if you do not disclose, your penalty is -- u.s. subsidiaries of foreign owned corporations of foreign nationals are allowed to participate in the u.s. political system. that is legal under the law, but foreign company, foreign-owned companies that sometimes are owned by foreign governments, that is expressley against the law. 1966, we made that against the law. 1974, we confirmed that in congress. remember bill clinton's white house? johnny chung and johnny wong and the whole theory of the lincoln bedroom and all the money being funneled through and the fred
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thompson hearings in the senate and dan burton hearings in the house and the democrats were all terrible people and raising money from china? if it was so bad then, why isn't it bad now? >> because -- >> the republicans are doing it. >> i don't know. >> that's why you're here. listen, if you thought it couldn't get any more interesting, i wouldn't blame the republicans, or democrats. maybe the reason foreign money is sneaking in is because of the witches. >> a witch. i'm nothing you've heard. i'm you. none of us are perfect, but none of us can be happy with what we see all around us. >> karen, go ahead. >> why am i leading off on the witchy woman? not helping me here. >> a sexist and judge mental
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show and we give the girls witch questions. >> but i am not a witch. let me just get that out. >> okay, good. >> this is a silly -- the time when all the dirt comes out. clearly, christine o'donnell thought she needed to address this issue. ironic that she's in black with a dark black background saying she's not a witch. >> are you saying witches wear black? >> maybe. >> a new yorker. >> everything from this to ads to where the guy's behind the horton ads are back and making them on the mosque. we're going to see the full range. >> is it is witches letting the foreign money into this country? >> that's a trick question. you know, as a media consultant, i look at this, i was waiting for the punch line. in a serious tone, i'm not a
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witch, i don't know -- i really -- i was baffled. thought it was kind of -- >> you're just lobbying for a job. you're just trying to get hired. all right. jimmy, a pleasure. nate, always a pleasure. karen, brian, thank you both. coming up on "hardball," chris matthews talking to chris van holland about the money gap in this election. maybe they'll fill it with foreign money. but first, final thoughts from us down here at our nation's capitol. we're back right after this. introducing bayer am, an extra strength pain reliever with alertness aid to fight fatigue. so get up and get goin'! with new bayer am. the morning pain reliever.
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