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running away from sarah palin? why won't two powerful republican candidates share a stage with the former alaska governor? tea party rising. a new poll shows sharron angle pulling ahead of harry reid. tensions boiling over while the government stands by. is pakistan an honest partner in the war on terror? and move over speaker pelosi, lady gaga is more powerful and who is "forbes" most powerful women in the world? good morning, i'm chris jansing. this is "jansing & company." pat buchanan and joy-ann reid and evan kohlmann and vera gibbons on how cash-strapped americans are cashing in on their goals. first, are the two women at the top of the ticket avoiding sarah palin? palin travels to anaheim next week and stomping for republicans but carly fiorina

who is running for the senate and meg whitman who wants the government's job won't be attending. well, maybe a new field poll has something to do with that. palin has a 58% unfavorable rating among registered california voters. just one in three give her the thumbs up. joy-ann reid is back with me and i'm also joined by political analyst pat buchanan. okay, pat, on one hand you look at that poll and you say, of course, they're not going to share a stage with her and on the other hand, they need to get some enthusiasm from the people who love sarah palin, the conservative republicans. are they doing the right thing here? >> i think they are as a cold political decision, chris. sarah palin is a very controversial figure. california is a very moderate to liberal state. they've got the base fired up, both fiorina do and meg whitman. their problem is, quite frankly, getting the moderate and some more liberal votes who are sort of antiwhat's going on in washington. so, they have the palin vote and

they're after other votes and they don't want a controversy or be involved in a controversy which distracts from their fundamental message which they would get if they were there with sarah palin? >> is sarah palin's power that she can really raise money? >> good sort of national figure for the republican party. she can fire up the base and go into another state and get money raised for them. again, as pat just said, she's not popular with moderate and not popular with anybody but the core base of the republican party. i think it's a hail mary to raise more money to get fiorina and whitman in. this is a blue state. it's california. there are not enough palinites there. they have to try to get moderate women and she's the opposite of that. i don't think it's a good idea for her to be in california today. >> all right, sarah palin is -- >> she is more important in raising money. she is divisive in republican

primaries. nicky haly, i think, was no where and then she came back to beat three republicans with superior credentials. she's going to be the next governor. sarah palin was in for rand paul who won. sarah palin, when she endorses in primaries, it is enormously powerful but once you won that primary very often you're going after centrist votes and that's not where her strength is. >> let me look at the two women we were talking about because these, if you look at the margin of error, these are two extremely tight races. california's governor race. meg whitman, 42%, jerry brown 47%. that's almost within the margin of error and then if you go to the california senate race, this is likely voters, by the way. carly fiorina and barbara boxer. only a four-point difference there and that is, again, within the margin of error. are these races anybody races to win or lose, joy-ann?

>> i think the democrats have the advantage there. for whitman, the issue she's have withing her former housekeeper and her nanny she's going to have a problem with hispanics. electable in primaries only. the republican party has moved so far to the right, that even when they're putting up women candidates, they're putting up women who are anti-abortion rights, they're putting up women who are so far to the right of average women that it's difficult even to elect them even when you have a candidate on paper seems like a good fit. so, i think sarah palins as pat buchanan was saying, yeah, she's great in a primary, but if you have the palin stamp, you're almost by default too far to the right of the average moderate voting women. >> let me go on to another topic here for both of you. obviously, we've got the balance of power at stake in washington right now. president obama is trying to get excited about voting in blue states. last night he raised a million bucks and this afternoon he is going to maryland at a rally for the governor there, later

tonight, he's going to be campaigning for the senate candidate in chicago. it's a two-part objective. first, you give support to democratic candidates, try to narrow the enthusiasm gap between democrats and republicans. the president told democrats last night to stop sulking and focus on the long game. is that the right approach, pat? is this going to work for them? >> the president is doing the right thing for democratic candidates. but note where he's going. he's going to chicago and going to maryland, which is one of the six states which put jimmy carter over ronald reagan. president obama has the same problem as sarah palin. he has a governor out there in virginia who's at 66% approval but is losing the senate race to a republican in a deep blue state in a general election or a blue state. president obama is at 29% there. i bet west virginia won't let him fly over the state on the way to chicago.

that fellow is such a problem for them. so, i think the president is basically the mirror image of sarah palin. he's much stronger than she is generally but he has that same problem. a huge number of americans are turned on by him, but turn against him. >> well, you know, he does have, his approval rating is so low, below 50%. republicans are using new attack ads that feature him, is barack of the democratic party. >> this is the idea. we're really seeing the resetting of the map. what barack obama was able to do in 2008 was he expanded the democratic map. he expanded it into north carolina. he expanded it into formally red states and made a lot of states purple. what the republicans have done this term, they put the map back where it was, say in 2004. extend the map in california or maryland aren't working and they have sort of reset it in ohio. they have come back in the

heartland states. both states are getting base player. obama is the best player the democrats have got. the senate seats they need to hold. it's a hold election for democrats. you send obama where the base is strong y the base loves him and you just get out the vote. barack obama does not turn off moderates the way sarah palin turns off moderates. she's isolated to her base, it's a different situation. >> take a look here. here's barack obama -- >> really quick, pat. they're really going to give it to me in the control room. >> barack obama is going to his home state to try to save his home senator in a deep blue state and he's going where? he's going to chicago. he's not going down state. that tells you that he has a mirror image problem. as you said, he's the sarah palin of the democratic party. >> i don't want to be quoted on that. i said is he? thank you, pat. thank you, joy-ann. state and local governments across the country are being

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so we know voters are caring about right now. jobs and the economy, front and center. this morning, at least one piece of good news, first-time claims for jobless benefits fell to their lowest level in three months. the labor department says that 445,000 new applications were filed last week. tomorrow's big unemployment report. >> that's a really important

question, actually, chris. the bottom line for the claims is that it's great to see them fall back below and hopefully the moderate pace of firings will continue. that is extended benefits. if you look at that number, they rose a net 257 k and that's evidence that the pays of hiring remains less than desired. what does it mean for tomorrow? the consensus at the moment is that there is no change for the september nonfund payrolls and that is because you have an offset. further unwinding and also layoffs at state and local governments and i'm sure you have been talking about a lot and that may offset the slight pick up that we're expected to see in private hiring. the unemployment rate seen unchanged at 9.47%. i'm sure you're aware the market labor weakness is holding it hostage. tomorrow's number could really determine whether or not the fed will ease monetary policy further quantitative easing

number two on november 3rd. >> we also have another sign of improvement today. many are reporting stronger september sales. what can you tell us about that? >> they were up by 2.8%. the apparel retailers that led the same-store sales and that's because of the back to school season. what we really saw here was a boost in the late part of the back to school season. people were holding off for those discounts to kick in. we all do it. the department stores and luxury chains also posted better than expected results. hang on, though, people are saying the gains can be short lived as consumers might now hold out for the next holiday shopping season in the lead up to thanksgiving and christmas, et cetera. >> amanda drury, thank you so much. >> no worries. fat paychecks for politicians and government workers. check out this report from nbc's george lewis. >> reporter: he is perhaps the poster boy for public servants with hefty paychecks.

robert risso former city manager had been earning $800,000 a year. now, he's in jail as part of a public corruption case. since the arrest of rizzo and four members of the city council, communities all over the country are looking that pay of their public officials. >> i think it is surprising that at the time when these cities and local and state governments are crying poor that the people, you know, in many of the top positions are being paid very, very well. >> when the msnbc.com website invited the public to send in examples of super-sized government paychecks, over 1,000 people responded with tips that unverified. in phoenix, police chief jack harris retired three years ago receiving a one-time payment of $562,000 and an annual pension of $90,000. but then the city rehired him as public safety manager at a base salary of $193,000 a year.

in las vegas, a place well known for its high rollers, some of the cities firefighters make between $181,000 and $500,000 a year. the mayor is demanding pay cuts, but hasn't gotten very far. >> we have a budget, but the budget is a disastrous one, as far as i'm concerned. >> reporter: in los angeles the "l.a. times" published a list of 199 county workers who make at least $250,000 a year. this at a time when state and local governments can ill-afford lavish salaries. >> states have seen a collapse in revenues that is unprecedented. they have never seen a decline in revenues as large as what they're facing now. >> reporter: states and cities are also facing angry taxpayer backlashes over how the money is being spent. george lewis, nbc news, los angeles. we have some breaking news, there is a major evacuation going on in downtown south bend,

indiana. richard lui is looking into it. >> we are looking at that area in south bend, indiana and many buildings have been evacuated so far. from our affiliate, they evacuated businesses such as wells fargo, county city building and also st. joseph's county courthouse and this happened about three hours ago, about 8:15 local time. as we zoom in on this area of south bend, indiana. three hours ago and the 100 block of wells fargo there. this includes a high-pressure natural gas line. it has forced the evacuation of some of the areas. what we're also hearing is that the contractors were in the area doing some digging and, as we know, before contractors, before anybody digs into the ground they are to reach out to local utilities to find out what might be underneath the ground there. what we're hearing at this mome at 11:17 local time. three hours ago some sort of breakage in a high pressure gas line and, chris, they're saying

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victory over the reds. this was halladay's first ever appearance in the post-season but his second no-hitter this season. he pitched a perfect game back on may 29th. this year is on record to break records for campaign spending. "the new york times" prorting that political candidates are on pace to spend $3 billion by november. that is the most ever in any campaign, even a presidential campaign. one of the reasons you're going to see more ads is a supreme court ruling knocked down corporate spending limits and political action committees are taking in millions of dollars for anonymous donors. here's what veteran republican ed gillespie said here about the ad here on "jansing & company." >> they're perfectly free to do that. conservative groups are free to do it, as well. what you're seeing now, chris, an orchestrated effort by the organized left to try to intimidate these groups from

participating in the democratic process, even though they have been doing it themselves. >> linda kaplan is an expert on political ads and she's ceo and chief creative officer and joy-ann reid and pat buchanan joins us, as well. joy-ann, good to time to be you. >> media spending is up record levels. the perfect storm of these wealthy business people who want to do good and participate and become famous spendinged tol eof money and you have the incumbents who just can't sit there any more. i mean, it was a long time ago. >> long-time races. >> very. >> so, obviously a lot of people interested in this, pat. they are pouring millions and millions of their own dollars into these campaigns and a lot of folks we don't know who they are. did you ever think we'd see in an off season, an off-year election a $3 billion campaign?

>> i guess it was inevitable. but, chris, look at the bright side, who gets the money? those of us in the media. it all goes for tv and newspapers and ads and things like that. >> it's the political pundit full employment act. >> we watch them trickle down. >> a lot of young people there, they haven't been through that many campaigns and they're saying to me, why are these people spending all this money and why does it take all this money? who are they, pat, the folks that we don't know who they are and why are they spending all this money? >> i think, one of the main reasons they're spending money, especially businesses and corporations and executives is they are terrified. i mean, they had thought that barack obama was a centrist. he got an awful lot of votes that normally go republican and you got an awful lot of money that go republican and a big

winner on wall street and they see the democrats now as having moved dramatically to the left and they're shocked and stunned. i think this is one of the mistakes of the obama administration. it has allowed this perception to take hold that is, "socialest." and that's why this money is coming in and, of course, the traditional conservatives who didn't care much about mccain are now deeply upset where the country is going. so, i can understand 100% why the right and why corporations are pouring money in and if my guess is it is the liberals who are not given the way they did in 2008. >> is there a gap for them? is there a problem for them, joy-ann? >> you know what, i think it's interesting that the do good portion of the spending is where i have a problem. this is just an extravagant purchase towards direct self-interest. these are corporations that want their own taxes cut. they want their own industries deregulated. they see this as an investment in getting a return.

if you think for a moment let's say social security private zashz could happen you talk about giving wall street access to a $2.2 trillion bounty of public money to invest. this is seen as an investment. they're looking to cut their own taxes, deregulate their own businesses and investing in the candidates they think will do it. >> if i accept that, then i think a lot of people are saying what about somebody like meg whitman who is spending 120, who knows, how many millions of dollars. >> she's spending more than any other candidate ever. this is her private money and, yet, this is the power of the web. something gets on there about hiring an illegal worker and, suddenly, she goes down in the polls. you can't put a price tag on, there is no delete in cyberspace. that's priceless. but the fact is, i don't know if the negative ads work any more. we could talk much more about this, but we're out of time. thank you. convoy attacks in pakistan. what this means for the larger war in afghanistan.

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for using them on soda and sugary drinks. we're getting a fresh look at a historic moment for the united states. a restored image of the apollo moon walk has just been released. it took six years to digitally update that footage. we have some breaking news for you coming to us now just out of karachi, pakistan, where they were two explosions and they rocked a shrine in the southern pakistani city. at least seven people killed, 65 others wounded. it is, of course, a stark reminder of the threat posed by islamic militants to pakistan, which is ally to the united states. security officials responding to the blast say they found some suspicious packages that they have been evacuating people as quickly as possible. all this comes amid some other brand-new developments this morning in pakistan. the taliban taking credit for an attack on a nato supply line in a valley there. today, hundreds of trucks remain stuck at the border after the pakistani government shut down a key crossing.

those tankers meant for nato troops in afghanistan are being blown up by the dozens. nbc tom aspell is live in kabul, afghanstone and here in our studio evan kohlmann. let me just ask you first, tom, whether you have any other inform agation about the blast pakistan or this region in general. >> the blast in karachi killed, as you mentioned, seven people inju killed and 65 injured. two suicide bombers may have carried out the attack. this is not the first time that pakistani militants attacked shrines. they killed 35 people back in july at a shrine there. they don't have much tolerance for the hardline pakistanis. they have attacked their shrines before. also, it's an indication, i think, of the determination of these hardline militants to put the government on the back foot there with the pakistani is

trying to deal with all kind of problems, the last thing they really need is these interreligious feuds that are going on. today the militants demonstrated that they can reach into the major pakistani cities, karachi, the second most important shrine in the country. chris? >> is that what's going on here, evan? putting the government on its heels and so much pressure coming from so many places including the united states and what's going on as you see it? >> the pakistan and taliban are claiming credit for this attack on the shrine and what they're saying is that they allegedly murdered a protaliban sunni cleric in karachi, a guy named raman. there is no other real entity in pakistan which is capable or willing to carry out these kind of attacks. the pakistani taliban have been carrying them out week after week. some attacks don't make the headlines because they occur so frequently now and it's dangerous to see pakistani religious minorities attacking

each other in this way, it's disturbing. >> we have questions being asked now with everything that is going on in pakistan about whether we're at a breaking point. you have all this anti-american sentiment and the americans and many, several at least american officials apologizing for the deaths of three pakistanis and the hostility of militants there. how would you define where we are? are we nearing the breaking point? >> the attacks that took place yesterday and today these attacks were taking place in deep, deep inside of pakistan. some of these attacks are taking place right outside of pakistan military bases. where is the pakistani army? where is the pakistani military? why aren't they guarding these convoys? it is leading some to ask is the pakistany military deliberately turning a blind eye to the attacks on the convoys in order to deflect criticism of the government for being too proamerican? look, i have to admit, it's very suspicious what is going on

there right now. i certainly for one couldn't say that's not the case. >> evan, you'll stay with us. tom aspell, thank you. technology is always adapting and the fbi wants to keep pace. the agency is calling for one federal law to change with the times to help with anti-terrorism and criminal investigation. >> critical laws covering this area have not been updated since 1994 when we moved from a copper wire phone system to digital networks and cell phones. we need to ensure that our ability to intercept communications is not eroded by advances in technology. >> richard lui is here to break down the information on electronic communications. richard? >> robert mueller saying here, chris, we're talking about the terrorist and the criminals and the issues of public safety and they want to get to these faster. the laws regarding access to communication just haven't kept up with the bad guys over time. terrorists and criminals they use things easily today that they did not back in the '90s

when the last law was passed. cell phone use and encryption software and e-mail and things that you and i are very, very used to talking about in day-to-day life here in 2000. i want to boil down what mueller is asking for, as well as the obama administration. let's say this is two different companies, two telcos, we'll say. now, traditionally when we were customers of these two companies our communication would go oto the company and over lines through air or whether they're fiber or copper or what have you reaching the second company and then the destination. the government right now underneath current laws has access to all this stuff in between but because of the new inscription software out there so readily available that now when they intercept this stuff in the middle, they can't decrypt it. so, what the government would like to do, in order to get the information, the plain text encryption information they want to get straight to one of these companies on the ends. right now if they want the

information, they have to have a request for that specific communication between the two parties and then that company will provide the plain text translation. what they want to do is give us that description software now. give us that back door. they want a back door to these companies so they can get straight in there very easily, very quickly and getting to those bad guys faster, not just getting the stuff in the middle, but the stuff on the sides, chris. that's basically what they're looking at right now. >> richard lui, thank you very much. i want to bring in jim. is that as simple as we can make it? they just want direct access in. >> i think that's right, chris. >> why is that so important? >> if you don't have technical access, crimes can go undetected. we can't stand that kind of a threat. we need to be able to access lawfully access communications whether they're verbal communications or electronic communications. >> you need to make the argument

because whenever we talk about these kind of issues, it also becomes an issue of my civil liberties being liberated. >> that's exactly what the conversation has to be about. but it's not a question of expanding the law, the law is very clear of the requirements to get court-ordered wiretaps are very, very stringent. i had many instances where with the fbi and the dea and with local law enforcement. in each instance, the requirements are very stringent. you have to go in front of a judge. >> what are we talking about in turme terms of a delay or, we all watched a lot of television. everybody goes running to the judge's chambers and he looks at it and signs it, not like that. >> not quite like that. in certain instances you can get approval very rapidly by getting to the federal judge. but that's the important thing. you always have to get to the federal judge. that judge serves as a check to assure the privacy rights are fully respected. >> evan, in the big picture, are laws keeping up to date with the

way terrorists works and the way technology works? >> not really. a lot of people surprised to hear this, there's not even a law right now which mandates internet service providers here in this country to keep records of past communications for any length of time. which means that someone can go on and say terrible things and do terrible things using an internet hosting provider right here in the united states and possibly there's no record of it. >> again, because i want to go back to tv which is how we think a lot of things work. which is any time they just go, those phone records or communication records are always available, not the case. >> no, it's not. look, i'm all for privacy, as well. how often do you communicate with your cousins in california via an encrypted channel. the reality is we're talking about people communicating in a way where they're trying to avoid government scrutiny and that may be well and good but when we have terrorist organizations that are quickly outpacing the fbi in terms of their ability to communicate with each other and communicate with extremists overseas, we

have to take that seriously. if we don't, we do it at our own peril. faisal shahzad was communicating to the pakistani taliban from right here within the united states. let's hope the fbi can read those communications and see them before the next individual tries following in his path. >> thanks to both of you. >> thank you. gold hitting all-time highs and americans are cashing in and selling their jewelry, but, seller beware. we have some warnings for you, straight ahead. verizon customers 2011 is the year a lot of you have been waiting for. the "wall street journal" is reporting that apple is making a verizon compatible version of the iphone. according to people familiar with the deal, the new gadget will be available in the first quarter of next year. at&t is currently the only wireless provider with the iphone. you have more time to remember what it's really all about. enroll starting november 15.

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democrat in the senate and a new poll shows that harry reid is trailing his tea party rival. a new "times"/cnn poll shows s, harron angle has a two-point lead in the run. political landscape right now. >> well, chris, it shows that harry reid is in serious trouble and a huge victory for republicans to take out the democratic leader in the u.s. senate and also shows the strength of the tea party within nevada. another interesting thing within this poll showed that among registered voters reid wins but angle is up by two points. what does that mean? that means that there is a lot of enthusiasm from tea party activists on the ground in nevada that desperately want to take out harry reid and that enthusiasm should swell on election day. >> that race may be close, but in the northeast, there is a big divide, of course, in

connecticut, in the new york ris for governor. >> in connecticut you're seeing democrat richard bloomenthol with a sizable lead and also leads among independents there 54 to 41 which is quite significant because a lot of independents within the state of connecticut do not like president obama, but blumenthal has been there for a long time. he has a lot of credibility with the voters and they seem to trust him no matter if they're independent or democrat. in new york state, which is very interesting, mr. cuomo seems to be beating paladino but the big news for the paladino campaign today they bought substantial air time at 5:13 p.m. today he will be on literally every tv set in buffalo and rochester and all those areas in westchester county. if you turn on your tv at 5:13 p.m. today in new york state, you'll see paladino. >> what is that about, luke?

>> i don't know. there is speculation he might apologize to andrew cuomo and he might carry his attack on andrew cuomo. whatever it is, if you're in new york state at 5:13 p.m., that is appointment tv. >> he is an interesting guy, i think it will be an interesting one to watch. >> he's a buffalo guy, indeed. take care. >> always got to get in that buffalo. seller beware. with the price of gold surging to all-time highs near $1,400 an ounce, you might be tempted to get rid of that old gold jewelry. i'm sure you've seen the ads. >> the ads are everywhere. >> cold, hard cash. just this much jewelry can get you $300. >> the offers are so appealing. >> 25% more. >> but you might not exactly hit the jackpot. a wide, wide range in what some buyers are willing to pay for your gold. vera gibbons joins me now with some important information. >> do a little research there before you sell it blindly. >> you just can't call somebody up and say, i have eight ounces, how much will give yyou give me

it? >> reputable jewelry stores and ask them what their range is and go to two or three and get ballpark figures or get the big items appraised. you can find the appraisers on appraisal.org. the first place you go and figure out what you got and then in terms of how much you can expect to get out in the open market -- >> some people look and say $1,400 an ounce i will weigh it on my little kitchen scale. >> that will not translate into $1,400 for you. you should be able to get 15% to 90% of the market value. some online are low balling customers and giving them as little as 8%. janice lieberman did a piece on "today" show and found one was giving 8%. you should be able to get 50% to 90%. >> do we know who pays the most? >> jewelry stores you haggle

with them and face-to-face interaction and they pay for any consumer reports upwards of 70% and the online guys are paying anywhere from 11% to 29%. so, your best bet is to get a local jeweler to buy what you don't want. >> you should know what you have, too. a big difference between 14 karat gold and 18 karat gold. >> you work your way down the chain, it is less value. right. what you have and the content and whether it's branded jewelry and the price of ogold because that fluctuates on a daily basis. a lot of factors go into it. a lot of middlemen involved and more middlemen, the less you're going to get. >> wonder how much that little number is worth that you're wearing on your neck. >> not as much as you think, it's faux. >> thank you, vera gibbons. should she take precedence over the speaker of the house? we'll discuss a major magazine's list of the most powerful women, next. hits the road, the nose the angels start second guessing where they tread. ♪ call 1-800-steemer

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♪ hardly a bad romance between lady gaga and "forbes" magazine. she is number seven on the magazine's list of the 100 most powerful women. house speaker nancy pelosi? she's down at number 11. go figure. you can get more at forbes.com. does it pay for women to weigh less at work? well a new study indicates it does. "the wall street journal" reports that a university of florida study found that women who weigh 25 pounds less than the group's norm make more than $15,000 more than women who are of normal weight. but women who weigh 25 pounds more than the group norm earn nearly $14,000 less than a female of average weight. by the way, for men, the roles are reversed. the study says overweight men

make more. thin men make less. let's bring in msnbc analyst vera gibbons. terrorism expert evan goldman who is dying to get in on this segment. and joann reed of reedreport.com. should we be surprised, joann? >> no. you know what? it's a very visual world. we've gotten into the age of hypermedia, so no it's not surprising that skinny women make more. people make value judgments based on appearance. >> overweight women are seen as lazy. there's a whole stigma attached to them. same thing with smoking. if you're going out and taking breaks you're less productive in the workforce. >> you think there's a legitimate reason? >> i don't know that it's legitimate. i'm saying this is the bias. >> i have had a lot of women who are very successful and people say to them, how do you stay so thin? they say, i don't have time to eat. so maybe there is a correlation there. so i think, you need to fatten up a little bit. >> i know. i should be eating a pizza right now. someone should have told me this

earlier. >> why do you think there's this disconnect? >> i think with men it's a different kind of look. a lot of people tell me i should get a haircut and wear a suit more often. i think that's more of an impact when it comes to men. it's not so much weight, it's dress, hair, things like that. women, there's a different standard that applies. i don't think there's any doubt about it. >> i'm still trying to figure out the men were a little -- >> maybe because i'm from a different background, i think the more sort of larger men denotes kind of strength where teeny men may seem wimpy and weak. i mean, not you. it's really unfortunate. >> larger men may be seen as more powerful. >> and could it also be, going back to the women, could it also be that in this society, where you look at the magazines and all the women are super skinny, that that has become sort of the thing that appeals to a lot of men, and they're setting the salaries for a lot of women? >> they're setting the salaries for a lot of women. we've talked about women in the workforce before. they're still making a lot less

money than men. about 75 cents to the man's dollar. we have come a long way in terms of where we are, where we're going. but we're still not quite there yet. and if we're overweight, obese, as two thirds of americans are -- >> it's even affected our politics. if sarah palin didn't look like sarah palin looks would she be taken seriously, given her knowledge base, given what she's shown about what she understands of the world? would anyone take her seriously? she's nice-looking. >> she's very pretty. >> unfortunately i think women are being judged not so much on the content of their character. let's just put it that way. >> her attractiveness and what a nice figure she has. >> evan, joining us. let's go to lunch. >> thank you. >> thank you so much. >> check this out. jansing and company made its debut here on msnbc this week. we also made our debut on the colbert report. take a listen. >> this new survey blows the cover off of what goes on under the covers.

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