right now on msnbc saturday a. way out. celebrations in chile as rescue workers take a dramatic step forward to rescue miners. live with the developments. and more frustration with no sign of improvement. this week the president hits the road, so what is his message? and then apple is making it available. sadly, you are not the monster. >> "sesame street" spicing it up a bit. and this one you have to see. it will make you laugh. i am alex witt. we have breaking news. the 33 trapped miners in chile

have a way out. more than 2,000 feet below the service has been broken through, and it created a shaft just wide enough for a especially-designed capsule to fit in and pull them out. hello on this very exciting day. how long before the men might actually reach the surfiurfacsu? >> reporter: big question without an answer. the big thrill, of course, they punched through, as you said. they have a 28-inch wide shaft from the surface all the way down to the men. when they punched through, a tremendous amount of -- well, i guess giddiness among all the family members on the surface as well as the thousands of others that gathered here. the family members started to scream and clap and hug each other and cry, and some of them ran up the hill to the flags

overlooking the mine, and then a large group of the engineering drilling team made its way down from where the drill successfully punched through, and there is an area cordoned off, and the family members did not care about that and pushed past the police and ran over and threw their arms around the drillers, and then it was just a spontaneous eruption of excitement, because they have waited so long. 64 days, i believe, now, for this moment. among those that punched through, this is an american team working with the chileans, and one of the americans was in that group of engineers that came down and he stopped and spoke about what he felt like at that moment. this is what he had to say. >> i don't have the words in spanish or english. it was just relief. we could see the video feed to

the miners going crazy and we were going crazy, and just the fact that we did it. we knew that we could do it, and many people didn't think that we could, because we are the small guys, but the fact that we were able to do it was just overwhelming. >> reporter: the commander is here with us. he has a unique perspective. he is a medical doctor and submariner, and he is going to be there as the men come out. from a medical perspective, you have decided and the group has decided the order of those coming up in the first 11, i am told, will be those that have the most experience and the healthiest. why the healthiest to come up first? >> well, first of all, the list is not finished yet. there are a few hours ago, and we have to keep in mind that some things might happen, things in the medical or psychological

area. we have not decided the exact order of the list. now, what we are going to do is we're going to get out to surface make two or three of them who are more familiarized with the mine, with the tunnel, and for them to give precious information for the technical team in terms of maybe changing the plan or getting the plan more fitted for the job. >> so the capsule is coming up, and you have these initial experienced healthy miners coming up. they have a two-way radio and a camera that will be focused there, and there will be compressed air if they need to breathe. as they provide the information to you and you make adjustments if needed, what is it that you

need to do to know that their hearts aren't racing or their minds are not running other places. you are talking to them and your team is in contact with them. how do you calm them down? you know they are excited. >> that's one of the reasons we're getting the first of them are going to be the mentally toughest, i would say, but then again, the most familiar with the mining operation. we need for them to give us precious information about the tunnel, about the conditions down in the mine, and about the conditions in the rest of the group. >> reporter: the commander joining us here, and he knows that in the submarining world they do the same thing. nasa came here and provided other expertise, so now it's a matter of when this happens, and we'll find out soon.

president obama calls it the moral and national challenge of our time, and the president says putting this country back to work remains a top priority. >> if you are out of work or facing foreclosure, all that really matters is a new job, and all that really matters is a roof over your head, and all that really matters is getting back on your feet. that's why i am fighting each and every day to jump-start the job sector. >> good morning, mike. >> reporter: good morning, alex. >> it's not just the president talking about jobs right now, right? >> reporter: the figures came out yesterday. august 9.6%, and in september, 9.6%, and this is the last unemployment report before the mid-term elections, and it is baked in the voters' mind, and it's not good news for the

democrats. this is the 14th straight month that the unemployment rate has been above 9.5%, and that's the longest stretch since the great depression, and don't you know the 15 million people looking for work who cannot find it for frustrated, and republicans will capitalize on this now with less than -- what, is it four weeks to go before the elections? john boehner, the man that would be the speaker of the house held an event in his hometown of westchester, ohio, outside of cincinnati, and let the president have it. he is trying to make closing argument for republicans to take over the house. here is john boehner. >> this coming election is about one issue, jobs. it's about jobs that were promised to the american people by the concern the administration, but never delivered. your government is out of control. do you have to accept it? do you have to take it?

hell no you don't. >> reporter: voices being raised here, alex. and tomorrow is the president's turn. we saw him last week in madison, wisconsin, and he is rallying dems to get their spirits up. and it's real, this enthusiasm gap discouraged democrats. >> thank you. a bit earlier today i spoke with cnbc's carl about the job brisz, and i asked him why the big companies are not hiring. >> companies have been through a lot, and so they are -- they are gerting for battle. they are worried about another big shock, so are they building up cash balance yunss? absolutely. are they buying back their jock? yes. if they are hiring or investing, a lot of it is overseas, but

there is an area in the world where they are spending. >> if they could turn things around and focus back domestically and invest in this country, and is it a mindset thing? >> i think bits their order book. we don't have a lot of business on the books, so they are nervous about bringing back employees, and they are nervous about taxes or and the health care. that's the mindset. why be first? >> well, the data from the labor department shows it's not just jobless struggling. $27 million americans are under employed, which means they have been forced to settle for part time work but would prefer a full time job or stopped looking

for work altogether. and the unemployment rate for african-americans stands at 16.1%, and hispanic americans is at 12.4%, and white americans, 8.7%, and asian americans 6.4%. this might surprise you. john lennon would have turned 67 today. unfortunately, msnbc's jenny has been standing by for us, and we'll get back to her, but it has been fun watching people trying to make that walk across the crosswalk. and why did it take so long, and what will happen to the prices. we will look at what it could do to the smart phone next. and can she convince voters

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one of the biggest challenges is connecting with the average voter after a rocky start, that's what this candidate is trying to do. check this out. >> i am not a witch. i am nothing you have heard. i'm you. none of us are perfect, but none fr us can be happy with what we see all around us. politicians with favors and back

room deals is the way to stay in office. i will go to washington and do what you do. i am christine o'donnell and i approve this message. i'm you. >> you heard the music before the break. the boys are back in town. our political analysts, pat buchanan, and peter finn. first, pat, is she you? >> i can hear the mocking cynical laughter of peter in the background, but let me say this, i do think it's an effective ad. she got beat up terribly, and the witch stuff and all that, and it's simple and clear and beyond the politics, and you just see her face and she's a very pretty girl. and it contras her with the mocking ads, and it was

pretested. i know i am in a minority here, but i think they are effective. >> she is not me. if she is the new face of the republican party, they better be aware of halloween coming up. they dress her in black with the black background, and all she needs is the hat i wore last halloween. and there is no substance to the ad and there is no substance to the candidate. here is a woman who never has held a job, and who is about 17 points behind in the polls, and it hurts republicans across the country to be -- to have her as the new face of the republican party, to be honest. she basically is totally unqualified to be a united states senator from delaware. >> alex, let me just say, i have seen this ad on our network, and

i must have seen it ten times. it's getting enormous play, free play, and, again, it's low key, and you heard peter -- peter is the opposition there. that's, i think they are trying to provoke that kind of response to say there is a pretty young girl that might be innocent, and might go to washington and do her bit, and everybody is mocking and laughing at her, and that whole contrast works. >> you think that she is not going to stay up to 20 points behind in the polls? >> if she doesn't move, they didn't work. when you are 20 points behind, and i think that there is a good try on the part of her campaign. >> that's a good point, you know, alex. what she really is doing is throwing a bit of a hail mary pass here. she really has nothing to lose.

the one thing that i am encouraging can days to do more and more of is direct the camera. the trouble was there was no substance in the ad. most people are shaking their heads saying, no, i don't think that she is me. >> she is saying i am one of you, peter. maybe she should have put it that way, but she gets all the attention by saying i am you. >> this is a tough question, and so would you have -- mike castle was the one running for the senate race? >> he clearly won the election going away. but the tea party movement is a healthy movement in america, and we have too many of these guys that have been in washington for decades and the country is in a disaster, and i am a tea party conservative. >> for both of you, this brings

that question that i always wonder what the answer is. do you put people in positions to be elected to office because of ideology or whether or not they are able to win? peter, you first. >> the third factor is are they able to govern. a lot of these folks have run their mouths, but never run anything. not that we don't run our mouths. the problem for the republicans is they are nominating people who are way out on the extreme side of things. these are the folks who are going to answer to the insurance companies, and wall street and the oil and chemical industry. these are the folks that i think despite their anger in washington, they will be part and parcel of the problem. that i think is where christine o'donnell -- where is all the money coming from to fund her campaign. >> she got a million dollars the next day in small contributions.

but petter your point is right. whoever has been running washington, the country is in a hellish disaster, and they want people fresh and don't have the advertiser talking to. that's why they want a ran paul. that's why they are doing well. the people want freshness, and newness, and whatever you say, those guys may be smart and everything, big shots in washington, but get rid of them all and we need a clean sweep. that's why the tea party folks, except for christine o'donnell, are either very competitive or pulling away. >> that's going to be so interesting to see what happens on this one. >> more from you in the next hour. don't go anywhere, boys. hang on, there. see you in a bit. here is a programming note. keep it on msnbc.

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a new study suggests women in the workplace are rewarded for being thin and they get higher salaries. and male's salaries get larger as they gain weight. research shows a woman 25 pounds below average weight makes $15,000 a more. and the psychologists and body language communication expert joins us. welcome to you. are you shocked at the results of the study and where do you think the disdiscrepancy is

coming from? >> well, a study showed with kids nobody liked the fat kid so to speak, and now things are changing, and there are could be changes. the interesting thing about the study is that it was done about -- on about 11,000 people. so it was a large number of people that were looked at. it was done in two places. it was done in the united states and in germany, and they did indeed find these results. but it's very disconvekuconcerd because what does it say about sexism. are they being hired because they were attractive? that may be the case. >> the study shows that not only do thin men make more than average men, but those that make 25 pounds more -- no, they make over $13,000 less, if they are

25 pounds or more, and does that give women a sense of their value? >> there are so many variables with this, alex. a lot of people that tend to be overweight tend to be depressed so they may not put out as much in the workplace, and that has to be considered. people gain weight after they have had a child and maybe they don't put in as many hours. and there are variables that we have to look at. the one thing that refutes the whole study is oprah winfrey, and she is not skinny, and yet she is the richest woman in the world. >> yeah, good point there. what about another point from the study. men under weight, they make thousands less than an average weight guy. i am curious as to where that comes from. is this a macho image? >> yeah, this goes back to when you were heavy and you were

considered to be rich and powerful, and there are some stereotypes in this. and in essence, we are going to see changes, especially with the astetices changing, and people being perceived with all kinds of body shapes and sizes as being successful, and not really relating to this. but there is some prejudice based on people's weight, whether we like it or not just as there is with people's looks and the way they speak. >> prejudice turning your paycheck. thank you so much and good to see you. banning so dau for food stamp recipients. does the government have the right to make that decision? hey, did you ever finish last month's invoices? sadly, no. oh. but i did pick up your dry cleaning and had your shoes shined. well, i made you a reservation at the sushi place around the corner.

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got the mirrors all adjusted?g you can see everything ok? just stay off the freeways, all right? i don't want you going out on those yet. and leave your phone in your purse, i don't want you texting. >> daddy... ok! ok, here you go. be careful. >> thanks dad. >> and call me--but not while you're driving. we knew this day was coming. that's why we bought a subaru. hey, there. here are the top stories at the bottom of the hour beginning with breaking news. chile's 23 trapped miners have a way out. a drill broke through to their

cavern just this morning. the families hugged and celebrated the big development. and then a big red wall of the reservoir is likely to collapse. the town that sits next to the reservoir was evacuated today. workers were lured by promises of better pay to pass secrets to the west. some developing nude out of pakistan where the block aid is set to be lifted. cargo trucks meant to funnel supplies have been left stranded after pakistan's recent decision to close border crossings there. the closings have left them vulnerable to attack. we are joined live from kabul,

afghanistan. we have the associated press reporting monday would be the earliest supplies to be across the border would be monday. >> reporter: that sounds about right, alex. and the pakistani government said with the immediate effect there are technical issues there, but it will be good news for the security guards and the tanker drivers. they have been sitting ducks for more than a week, and more than 100 of them have been burned after attacks claimed by the pakistani taliban, who set them on fire with rocket-propelled grenades and machine guns. it will be relief fournir nato well. they do have other routes

leading into the country bringing fuel, but nonetheless it will be good for everybody now that the trucks about to roll in again. >> do you think there has been an affect of the relationship with pakistan? >> reporter: well, nato viewed with alarm that pakistan could seal off the supply routes. not so important this time around, but who knows what they will carry in the future and how they will be needed here in afghanistan in pursuit of the war. and it's another episode, really, in the list of bad relations between pakistan caused by american attacks, either from drone aircraft on pakistani territory, or in hot pursuit. so i think in the future, the

americans will be careful not to offend the pakistanis, or certainly to establish some kind of quaurniwarning or alert systy time they try to pass the border in pursuit. >> thank you. and strong winds and heavy winds caused by a depression killed nine people. people were forced to leave their homes and walk through waist-deep water in search of higher ground. five tons of cocaine went up in smoke in panama. the street value of the drugs was about $1 billion in the u.s. it was a record season from last week. in mexico, a taxi service driven by women to carry only female passengers celebrated its first anniversary. female passengers say this makes them feel safer when they go

out. it may be hard to believe, but beatles legend, john lennon, would have turned 70 today. we will find nbc's jenny wible. what are the crowds like? are people singing john lennon songs? what is it like there? >> reporter: yes, there have been celebrations all morning. and they gathered just outside the famous abby road studios. and there also have been a steady stream of fans. although there are celebrations here, and right around the world and john lennon was born 70 years ago today. and it's very difficult to believe, because of his music,

and he will never really grow old. ♪ imagine all the people ♪ ♪ living life in peace >> reporter: 30 years ago the unimaginable happened. he was shot dead outside his new york apartment before his dream of peace could be realized. >> all his political songs really have a lot of meaning right now for people, and i think that's why people listen to his songs. >> reporter: what many of the fans didn't know was that john lennon was already taken, and married to cynthia. together they had a son, julian, who told "daybreak" this week

that john struggled with fatherhood. >> you know, i appreciate what he has done, and i understand what he went through, and why things were the way they were. ♪ all we are saying ♪ >> reporter: lennon married and had a seconds son. paying tribute to his music in liverpool, this weekend hundreds of fans are gathering at the club where the beatles made their name. today they are celebrating his birthday. every year, thousands make the pilgrimages to his hometown. >> this is the house where john spent most of his life -- >> we don't listen to it on the radio, but the beatles are still huge with the young crowd. >> reporter: there is a

sculpture called peace and harmony by a previously unknown american artist. that sculpture was unveiled this morning by john's first wife, and julian lennon, his eldest son as well. and is that supposed to be britain's answer to a memorial of straw berry fields. and a new decision to scrap the transit project under way. he met with transportation secretary who applied some pressure urging the governor to rethink his plan. christy slammed the brakes to the project thursday saying the budget could balloon to $14 billion, and that's something the new jersey state cannot afford. the funnel would have doubled the number of commuter trains

from new jersey to manhattan. good news for verizon customers. steve jobs has plans to make the iphone available on your carrier. and the analysts joins me right now to discuss this decision. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> why has it taken so long to get this around from at sxchlt t and diversify? >> well, they are putting the credibility on the line and they are saying they have sources that claim he's going to make the announcement and be available in january. the reason it has taken so long. in 2007, apparently they went to verizon first, and they said we would love to launch this smart phone on your network, and verizon wanted to put their music and television store on the phone. they have a program called v cast, and they sell music and tv

shows through there. and apple sells all the music and tv shows through itunes, and verizon turned them down, and they said no we want to sell our music and tv shows. >> so then the iphone goes huge. >> exactly. since 2007, verizon has been begging them to come back. sounds like they got them. and apple went with at&t, and at&t is paying big bucks to keep it on their network. apple decided it's time to expand. there are 90 million customers on at&t, and verizon has 90 million customers, and last august, iphones were at 13.5 million, and they have a competitor, google, paying

android, and they are at 11 million. iphone wants developers making applications for their operating systems, so they figure it's type to dip into the verizon pool and add something like 10 million users. >> do you think v cast will appear on an apple iphone? >> i think it might, but i don't think that people -- honestly, it's not a huge right now, even on verizon's hand sets. people still get tv shows and music elsewhere. now at this time it's a mute point. but it could very well end up on there. >> you say 35 million or so have an iphone right now, and that means via atat -- >> well, worldwide, actually. about 13.5 million in the u.s. >> what would be your initial prediction? 10 million subscribers on verizon right away?

>> that's what people are thinking. maybe everybody that wants an iphone is already on at&t, and maybe the at&t people will go to verizon, and it's likely a lot of people will jump in on verizon, and didn't want to switch over to at&t, and they are saying 10 million. >> and are we going to be duped again? there have been these stories before. >> seems like every other month we hear this, but the "wall street journal" is putting their creditability on the line, but they say they have their sources and come january verizon will have the iphone. >> thank you very much. good to see you. move over old spice, you are getting competition from the sesame street set. he is telling customers to smell like a man.

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let's look at the aerial footage. it's the ferry that got fire. right now firefighters are still trying to cool the ship down and want to keep it from breaking apart and sinking in pieces to the bottom there. 40 people onboard have been rescued. a fight is bubbling in new

york over the proposed ban using food stamps to purchase soda. because food stamps are given out in the name of nutrition, they should not be used buy products that contribute to obesity. to discuss it, i am joined now by msnbc contributor, karen hunter, and our friend from the new york times. is there a history to this or this in the last of the line of things like this? >> it's last in line, and the mayor is more health conscious than any mayor we have had, and he has done a number of things along those lines, and with the governor tried to pass lobbied for the passage of a tax on all soda sales that would affect

everybody. and when that did not work on thursday, he announced he was going to ask the federal government for a two-year experiment to bar food stamp users from buying soda with food stamps? good idea? >> well, we want this, because we want a healthier nation, and if you are an adult, we are taking care of you, so why should we have to take care of your diabetes, and other problems, so this is one area the city can control, however, this is america, right? and where does it end? for a lot of people, it's scary. if they start to restrict this, what is next? cupcakes? cookies? where does it stop? what is the cutoff. >> yeah, you are right, it's a slippery slope. this could be the beginning of something where we don't want to

go places we don't want to go, or do you think it could be a smoking ban in restaurants and public places, which is a done deal and nobody is questioning it anymore. >> well, this is the difference between smoking and food stamps. the smoking ban, at least let's see the difference from the way the opponents or the critics might. the smoking ban affects everybody who smokes. the ban that the mayor is proposing affects poor people, poor people who get food stamps. the rest of us can still make a choice, have the freedom of choice to go to the supermarket and buy soda. >> and that's good, because poor people have poor diets and are unhealthier. 60% of kids that end up on sugary drinks end up obese. >> well, and the point has to be

made people can do with whatever they want with what they have that is not government issued, if people are living in improv rished neighborhoods, and they want to go out and -- is that point being lost? >> there is a self determination issue here. yes, the mayor makes the argument that we are subsidizing food stamps as taxpayers, and paying for medicaid or a public hospital costs of the bad health that may produce, but i have a story in the new york times this morning about bloomberg lp the company the mayor founded, and it provides gobs of free snacks to its employees, sugary snacks, and should we tax bloomberg lp that is doing something detrimental to the health of its workers? >> a lot of people don't have

access to good food, and maybe the stores will be forced to put healthy alternative in their stores? maybe there will be a good thing to come out of this. >> ladies, thank you. new details about an infamous mock college thesis that hit the internet. the student that wrote it now regrets it. we're going to here from an internet safety advocate next. gecko: oh...sorry, technical difficulties. boss: uh...what about this? gecko: what's this one do? gecko: um...maybe that one. ♪ dance music boss: ok, let's keep rolling. we're on motorcycle insurance. vo: take fifteen minutes to see how much you can save on motorcycle, rv, and camper insurance. [ female announcer ] mousse temptations by jell-o. decadently delicious. 60 calories. it's finally me o'clock. time for jell-o.

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we're learning newdetails this morning about the controversial new sex list written by a college graduate. the 42-page report describes sexual tryst she had with more than a dozen athletes at duke university. joining me live is donna rice hughs, internet safety activist and president of enough is

enough. she said she first sent this report to three friends via e-mail, and it was not supposed to go any further than that. should she be surprised with how fast this spiralled out of control? >> i don't think any of us should be surprised. it's obviously a sensational thesis, and one of got the attention of her friends so much that they want to share it with somebody else. it could get out of control. certainly, kids are making mistakes and indiscretions online all the time. and the problem is it could go viral quickly and it's permanent and could be very public and embarrassing. >> absolutely. for the 13 students at duke with whom she discusses their trysts there, do they have any legal resource because their privacy has been invaded here? >> it has, and they probably do

from a civic liability perspective, and privacy issues and defamation, maybe, who knows. we'll have to see how that plays out. and i am sure karen is mortified this happened and did not have the intention of this happening, but the thing is is that smart kids, or younger kids who are smart, good kids can do foolish things online. it's important that parents start at a young age teaching their kids about internet safety. >> is karen the one to blame here or is it her friend who started forwarding this around to her friends and so forth and so on? who should be held accountable? >> those are issues for the courts, you know, and what is most concerning to me is how this kind of things happens in the first place, and there is a broader issue. that is that our young people,

this generation, which i refer to as generation xxx are the first ones to grow up in a sex-saturated society. and they are the first generation on the internet. they have had a steady diet of hard core pornography since they have been online. it's everywhere. we see a lot of acting out. lack of boundaries and lack of discretion. and this case is more of a girls gone wild on steroids. and so there is a broader issue here that i think is, for me, is more concerning than how the technology can be misused and go crazy. >> you talk about kids and which means you hope there are parents there to over see things. are there things parents can do to help things from preventing? >> yes, we created a curriculum for parents and education and

law enforcements and everybody, and internet predators, and sexing and educate and equipped the parents to understand what the dangers are and start young with their kids implementing safety, because it has to start with the parents. they are the first line of defense. once they go off to duke university or out of the house, they are on their own. implanting that wise choices in there online life and off-line life is really important. and it's falling back to the parents. and the other thing is that it concerns me, these kinds of stories where parents will say, you know what? my child is immune. they are not immune. anything can happen online with any kid. we have to get parents to become good cyber parents. we cannot turn a parent into a

bad or good parents. it's an on going process from when they are 4 or 5 first getting on to when they get in high school. >> where can this be found? >> internet safety 101.org, and also at amazon. >> all good advice from you. thank you. tears of joy in chile as the drill breaks through to the trapped miners. [ female announcer ] stay once...