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any minute now, we're expecting president obama live from the white house rose garden talking about projects to improve our nation's roads and highways but it's tied into the number one issue for midterms, jobs and the nation's pocketbook. things are getting ugly racing towards the election finish line. new york's carl paladino fights allegations he's homophobic. could the car of the future drive itself? the folks at google think that would be a great idea. good morning, i'm chris jansing. this is "jansing & company." joining the discussion this hour, "the washington post"'s jonathan capehart, michael smerconish harris perry and mort

zuckerman. the president talking about infrastructure. it's a big topic because there is an overall feeling that we have reached the perfect storm, the perfect place, in our economy for this. you have so many people out of work. you have questions about the stimulus. you want the people who want jobs created but you have low interest rates, the lowest in history. is this the right way to go? is this message getting across? mort, there was a lot of questions about one of the problems with estimastimulus be people weren't seeing it. is this a good idea? >> well, first place, national infrastructure program should be instituted a year and a half ago. this is way, way, too late. it will take a long time to get under way and it's not going to have nearly as much of an impact on the jobs issue which is the purpose of it. having said that, i'm totally in favor of it. we should take it out of the

earmarks process in the congress. these decisions should be made by professional groups doing long-term projects, not doing it to please individual political constituencies. they should be told so the users pay for it because otherwise it's going to be added to our national debt. this way we'll end up with the asset. an example of how well it's worked in china where their economy fell off the edge of the cliff when exports collapsed they instituted a huge infrastructure program and rebuilt the strength of the economy in less than a year. we have had the biggest monetary stimulus and we've not only not created jobs we've lost jobs since the beginning. this is absolutely essential that we have this. >> it's interesting that you bring up china. there's a fantastic cover story that joe kleine vote for "time" magazine and he drove across middle america thousands of miles, met hundreds of people, talked to many politicians and jonathan, i'm sure you saw the

article, one of the things that surprised him and a lot of people is that a topic that came up again and again and again with voters was china. that people were talking about that according to joe kleine, 25 times more than they were talking about the war in afghanistan or iraq. so i wonder how the president's strategy plays into all of that. >> well, you know the president talks a lot about china in the sense that the chinese are moving ahead of us in, you know, renewable energies sphere where we should be the leaders -- we, meaning the united states -- should be the leaders in that area but the chinese are doing it, that our education system has to be improved because the chinese are going ahead in that area. and also i think the american people have become very aware of late that the chinese have been buying american debt and that one decision by the chinese government could send everything into an even greater tailspin.

i think people are focuses on china because they're paying attention, see bhag twhat the c are doing that the united states can't. >> it does speak to this sort of royaling discontent what the average american is feeling. >> it seems to be working, in that are there are a lot of things we don't like, but it seems to be working and our country is not working. one example, we are the developers of the computer. there are according to andy grove, head of intel, there are 166,000 jobs in america for computers. there are 1.5 million jobs manufacturing jobs in asia. we've lost all of those jobs to asia. we don't like that. >> this is classic. on the one hand the fact that instra fin st from structure, i absolutely agree on the question of infrastructure it should have been very first set of issues

and that we critically need it. the t. covers a bun. of ideological difference has to deal with my anxiety of how china's being spoken about here. you have the gop running against the idea of big government and simultaneously saying that china is the right model. you cannot have it both ways. part of what the chinese model does is to make a claim for the role of government. that the role of government is to provide the things that free market does not effectively provide across the population. infrastructure would be one of them. it does not mean you can consistently run against government at the same time you're asking government to do critical issues. >> i'm not sure it's just the republicans either, michael. if you look at the polls, one of the thing is that is glaring, if you ask americans, of course they want, you know, lower taxes, they want the government not to spend so much money because they've had to make their budgets so they're

concerns about the deficit. when you ask them about things like social security and you ask them about things like medicare, generally they're in favor of the large entitlement programs that make up so much of the budget. >> well i think there's a dichotomy among some of the voters, and "usa today" laid this out beautifully with their cover story about the debate as to how large government should be and what you find is this sort of split personality where on one hand you have a significant segment of society saying, stop spending so much, and then by the same token in the very next question saying, why aren't you doing more to prompt and stimulate the economy? to which the administration would say that's what the stimulus package is all. i'm probably the least surprised about joe kleine's references to china that he heard in the heartland. if you do what i do for a live, which is answer telephones all day long i hear it constantly. it's part of this bigger narrative that people are

concerned that we've taken second tier status, that somehow life for our children is not going to be better than it has been for us, which has always been a part of the american dream. >> i do think that is one thing that he heard that any of us, you know who go out and we talk to our friends, family, talk to voters here again and again, is that level of consistent fear that that american dream, that we can make the lives of our children better than ours, that they'll have more, they'll be able to own a house, all of the things that our parents assumed as their american birth right for their children, you work hard, you get ahead, they don't feel that anymore. >> right. we've had a lot of our assumptions just blown out of the water over the last ten years. just in the last ten years, look at the last couple of years. wall street has failed us. other institutions have failed us. sports figures have failed us. all of the things the american people have put their hopes and dreams into and fall an part. >> i need to interrupt you.

the president approach the podium. let's listen in. >> governors like ed rendell, mayors like antonio villaraigosa and economists and engineers across the country to discuss one of america's greatest challenges, our crumbling infrastructure and the urgent need to put americans back to work, upgrading it for the 21st century. we're also joined today by two former transportation secretaries of both political parties, sam skinner, who served under president george h.w. bush, and norm mineta, served in the cabinets of both president clinton and president george w. bush. they're here today because they are passionate about this task. their cooperation and, indeed this country's very history, proves that this is something for which there has traditionally been broad

bipartisan support. so sam and norm have been leading a bipartisan group of more than 80 experts who last week released a call to action, demanding a fundamental overhaul of how america approaches funding and building our infrastructure. and today my treasury department, my council of economic advisers, have released our own study. these reports confirm what any american can already tell you, our infrastructure is woefully inefficient and it is outdated. for years, we have deferred tough decisions, and today our aging system of highways and byways, air routes, rail lines hinder our economic growth. today, the average average american household forced to spend more on transportation each year than food. our roads clogged with traffic, cost us $80 billion a year in lost productivity and wasted fuel. our airports, choked with

passengers, cost nearly $10 billion a year in productivity, losses from flight delays. in some cases our crumbling infrastructure cost american lives. it should not take another collapsing bridge or failing levee to shock us into action. so we're already paying for our failure to act. and what's more, the longer our infrastructure erodes the deeper our competitive edge erodes. other nations under stand this. they are going all in. today, as a percentage of gdp, we invest less than half of what russia does in their infrastructure, less than one-third of what western europe does. right now, china's building hundreds of thousands of miles of new roads. over the next ten years it plans to build dozens of new airports. over the next 20, it could build as many as 170 new mass transit

systems. everywhere else they're thinking big, creating jobs today. but they're also playing to win tomorrow. so the bottom line is, our short sightedness has come to, we can no longer afford to sit still. we need a smart system of infrastructure equal to the needs of the 2 1 century, easier access to our jobs, to our schools, to our homes, a system that decreases travel time and increases mobility. a system that cuts congestion and ups productivity. a system that reduces harmful emissions over time and creates jobs right now. so we've already begun on this task, recovery act included the most serious investment in our infrastructure since president eisenhower bill the highway system in the 1950s.

we're just not talking renews restored bridges and levees but a smart electric grid and the high-speed internet and rail lines required for america to compete in the 21st century economy. talking about investments with impacts both immediate and lasting. tens of thousands of projects employing hundreds of thousands of workers are already under way across america. we're proving 40,000 miles of road and rebuilding water and sewer systems. we're implementing a smarter, more stable, more secure electric grid across 46 states that will increase access to renewable sources of energy and cut costs for customers. we're moving forward with projects that connect communities across the country to broad band internet and connect 31 states via a true high-speed rail network. what's more, a great many of these projects are coming in under budget. by investing in these projects, we've created hundreds of

thousands of jobs but the fact remains that nearly one in five construction workers is still unemployed and needs a job. and that makes absolutely no sense at a time when there's so much of america that needs rebuilding. so that's why last month i announced a new plan for upgrading america's roads, rails and runways for the long term. over the next six years, we will rebuild 150,000 miles of our roads, enough to circle the world six times. we will lay and maintain 4,000 miles of our railways, enough to stretch from coast to coast. we will restore 150 miles of runways and advance a next generation air traffic control system that reduces delays for the american people. this plan will be fully paid for. it will not add to our deficit over time, and we are going to work with congress to see to that. it will establish an infrastructure bank to leverage federal dollars and focus on the

smartest investments. we want to cut waste and bureaucracy consolidating and collapsing more than 100 different duplicative programs. we've got to focus less on wasteful earmarks, outdated formulas. we've got to focus more on competition and innovation. less on short cited political priorities and more on economic priorities. investing in infrastructure something from both political parties always supports, something from the groups ranging from the chamber of congress to the afl-cio support today. making investments across the country we won't just make our economy run better over the long haul, we will create good, middle class jobs right now. so there's no reason why we can't do this. there's no reason why the worldness best infrastructure should lie onour borders.

this is america. we've always had the best infrastructure. this is work that needs to be done. there are workers who are ready to do it. all we need is the political will. this is a season for choices. and this is the choice, between choice -- between decline and prosperity and between the past and the future. our future has never been predestined. it has been built on the hard work and sacrifices of previous generations. they invested yesterday for what we have today. that's how we built canals and railroads and highways and ports that allows our economy to grow by leaps and bounds. that's how we led the world in the pursuit of new technologies and innovations. that's what allowed us build the middle class and lead the global economy in the 20th century. if we're going to lead it in the 21st, that's the vision we can't afford to lose sight of right now. that's the challenge that's fallen to this generation. that's the challenge that this country is going to meet and

with the help of these gentlemen behind me and i hope strong bipartisan support, i have no doubt that we will meet these challenges. thank you very much, everybody. >> president obama, who is making his argument for a major reinvestment in infrastructure in this country, i want to do a fact check, jonathan capehart, this is a $50 billion plan that he said he would pay for by closing tax breaks for the oil and gas industry. he was making the statement this will not add to our deficit. is that a done deal? >> you know, he can try, and we can all hope that he's right, because lots of people are concerned about the deficit. one thing he made clear, one thing i hope people take to heart the united states can't go down this road anymore, no pun intended, that the united states has to be serious about its infrastructure, railways, roads, airports, all of those things

that he talked about in the speech, the plan in he put out earlier in the summer. we, as a nation, can no longer treat infrastructure projects as sort of nasty earmarks that some corrupt member of congress tries to put into a bill, you know, for their constituents. these projects are extremely important and, you know, one important thing that he said, that i maybe -- maybe mort agrees -- this infrastructure bank where you have a bunch of people, experts, who look at projects and determine which are worthy for funding and which should go forward. we can no longer look at these projects as one-offs but as part of a whole system that makes this country viable in the 21st century. >> i sure agree with that. i will tell you, this program is so long overdue, it really break pliz heart. we should have been starting this two years ago. it should be five times the size of it. >> we should say $50 billion is

only a quarter, maybe i think the group did the working group that he was talking about 80 bipartisan folks who got together, they're recommending something between $134 billion and $194 billion. >> it take is along time to make programs shovel ready. that's why we should have started two years. it comes out in the middle of a political campaign and looks suspicio suspicious. i totally support it. i have been involved in the job summit where this was specifically recommended and yet nothing was done until now. >> why two years ago it seems to me that at the very most recently it should have been started five years ago when the levees failed in new orleans. it is not as though barack obama was the first person to notice that our infrastructure was crumbling. exactly post-9/11 when the economy was plummeting and we needed instead of sending americans to the mall to have

sent them to work on the kinds of work that we're doing here. so -- >> maybe two years ago. i've got to push this one back much further. infrastructure did not start crumbling in 2008. >> michael, here's my question for you. where in a time where congress does not seem to have an appetite for these -- for more big spending and the question is, will this happen? can this move forward? >> something about infrastructure, you can see it, feel it almost taste it and appreciate. the practical consideration on the part of the administration and what precipitates this conversation today and that announcement, i don't know that it's a new program per se, there's a concern, the concern is that to the extent the american public can identify any outlet for the stimulus money, it's that programming that came to light at the end of last week where thousands of dead people ended up with checks in their hands. i think trying to seize something that you can drive down the road, see a sign that says "this is your stimulus

money at work" and we've long needed this. i think it's overdue. i agree with mort. >> in addition to that, the world will not treat infrastructure investment as additional debt. the user should pay for it. we should have a larger program. you should do this independently. this should have been and could have been five years ago for sure. but two years ago when we saw the economy was falling off the edge of the cliff was a moment when the jobs issue became joins to the national need. it's absolutely critical we do it. in addition to that, instead of spending as much month fl on other programs and the so-called stimulus program, which isn't stimulatinging one of the things that happens on infrastructure, it creates more jobs than just the jobs in infrastructure. it creates 1.75 jobs for every job spent on infrastructure. was not natural thing to do. we didn't do it then. with all of the deficit and debt money accumulated, the politics

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democrats could get a huge boost in november if latino voters head to the polls. numbers don't lie. it's almost a 3-1 advantage for democrats with registered latinos but all signs point to a weak turnout for a group that may not feel their issues are a priority in washington. an arizona state student and organizer for promise arizona, who wanted to change that, and help to register 20,000 latinos and get them excited about voting. good morning. thank you very much for being with us. good to see you. as you're talking to latinos, what are they telling you? >> they have a lot of energy. they're very excited for this upcoming election based on the things going on here in arizona. they're looking forward to showing the type of power that they can have here in arizona and making sure that their voice is heard this year for the elections. >> how did you do this? how did you get 20,000 new people registered? >> we had an enormous amount of

help with our volunteers. many of them high school aged who are 16, 17 years old who have seen things that were going on and have been wanting to change. they've been incredible putting in sometimes 12-hour day, 6, 7 days a week. fighting to get everyone's voices heard. these are the kids, some of the kids in a year or two are going to have even more say when they're eligible to vote. >> this is obviously a very important first step that you got so many people registered. i guess the question is, given the polls, we're only half of latinos are actually saying that they think they will absolutely go out and vote, how do you motivate people to get to the polls? >> here in arizona, it's actually not -- it hasn't been too difficult to get latinos motivated near arizona. based on the laws that have gone on that have been very divisive, latinos have gotten excited. people have sometimes come to

tears because they are register because they didn't know how to share their voice. the poll says 51%. 60% of latinos voted in '08. it's only going to increase. it's going to be a great turnout in arizona. >> we hope you're right. the more we can do to get more people registered and more people to the polls of every political stripe, the better we are as a nation. thanks for your hard work. carl paladino uses words like disgusting and a terrible thing to describe gay pride parades but he doesn't have a problem with homosexuality. closer to freedom. 33 trapped mines days a way from a rescue. with that fame comes possibly fortune. no, it's not jetsons. the car of the future may be able to drive itself.he hum preferred prescription plan. it's a medicare prescription drug plan

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here are some of the stories we're followingen msnbc. virgin atlantic took the big step toward space tourism with the first solo glide flight by the spaceship ii rocket. hundreds are on the waiting list to take the trip to the stars. a new study saying the universe and everything in it could end within the next 3.7 billion years. either's residents won't know it and when it happens. timing involved is arbitrary. loved ones above the childin' mine eagerly awaiting the reunion. could it be days away? what the miners will take 2,000 feet to safety a tight fit but the safest way to the surface. kerry sanders monitoring the entire operation in copiapo, chile. the question i get the most what is this capsule like that they're going to be in? we've seen animated pictures of

it. it's a tight space, especially if you have claustrophobia. looks small to me. >> reporter: yes, it is small, but when we say that it's a 28-inch wide hole and this is 26 inches wide, most people think of around their waist, like what are the size of your pants. we're not talking about that way. we're talking about this way. so it's actually larger. you can stand there like this and a large man can stand that way. so they have designed it for the men to be able to come up and down but there's not much movement in there. and they have run a test, we're finding out just now from the government, they have actually taken the capsule up and down, not all the way, but a portion of it. i was doing calculations here. they've done it 56 meters, which is 183 feet of the 2040 feet

insigh the steel pipe they've inserted and natalie morales is talking to the officials, it was traveling two meters a second and in the 183 feet that it traveled, it worked perfectly. it came up without any dust on it. they've told natalie, who is passing it along to me, they have adjusted the plan of who's going to go down and how that's going to work. four rescuers a team of two doctors, two rescuers who go down and after they get there they'll begin to bring the miners. still talking about wednesday, chris. >> one of the things i remember you telling me, it's obviously not a straight shot. the big concern that is there's some little twists in the path down, is that right? >> reporter: yes. i think a lot of us think that because we're using the word shaft it goes straight down but

it's not like an elevator shaft. think of a snake that goes a little bit like this and a little bit like that. this capsule has wheels on various portions and shock act so sosh absorbers. it has to make this turn and that turn, wheels will help it negotiate the turns. they say most of the turns are about five degrees. the greatest is no more than ten degrees. the other thing is, they're not sure when the miners get in there and this capsule begins to come up whether the able attached to it whether it's going to cause the capsule to turn which could be a busines d effect for miners as they come up. it may turn as much as 12 times. >> wow. >> reporter: the best description, i think, was from the health minister when he said, this is going to be like a very slow elevator ride to the surface. >> well, i'm sure it will be no slower than the wait that

they've had so far. so they've got to be so excited about that. thank you, kerry. we will continue to check back in with both kerry and natalie, double-teaming this for us. new york city has been dealing with one of the most horrific attacks targeting gay men in years. prosecutors are charging nine members of the gang with brutally torturing three victims at an abandoned home in the bronx. leaders across the city condemn the attacks, mayor bloomberg calling them sickening. a candidate who wants to lead new york state is being called homo phobe ex-because he made controversial remarks about kids being better off if they get married and raise a family. >> i don't want them to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid or successful option, it isn't. >> let's get to our company. linda caplin thaler and jonathan

capeha capehart. you've got to wonder if some of the folk who got behind carl paladino are having second thoughts. dramatic stuff. >> pretty dramatic. pretty terrible, pretty disgusting, to use his word. i hope the republican party is kicking itself for nominating this guy who thinks he can lead all of the people of new york state. what he said yesterday and how he tried to defend himself today, i think, is reprehensible, and i don't think that the peel of new york should entrust him with the governorship. i don't care how many head his wants to bash in al banfully and how deserving folks in albany in are in terms of their leadership but carl paladino should not be elected anywhere near the governorship, anywhere near an office of public trust. >> one of the things that surprises me in instances like this, even if you want to wade into the gay marriage issue, it's so clear, it's so clear, what this election is about, why even go there? i mean, it's wrong on so many

levels on the simplest level and the most complex level. >> we have to be a little bit careful. there is the argument this isn't that important so we shouldn't talk about it. i mean, it's -- we heard sometimes, for example, around race issues, oh, who cares about ending segregation, talk about what matters. segregation matters to those who were segregated. what i agree with jonathan here the idea you can represent all new yorkers saying reprehensible things about many new yorkers. and today is national coming out day. october is gay, lesbian month and this is national coming out day a day when we're trying to say this is a moment to be honest about your identity and where we can make political gains in part of being honest about your identity. >> i wasn't making the point this isn't an important issue

but strategy, you have to wonder why he went there. >> i don't think he's going to make it for governor. a television series called extreme political makeover. i can believe it. wonderful to watch, entertaining because i want to ewhich foot's going in. i don't know how he can talk anymore. he is a powder keg ready to explode. the reporters have a field day because they know at any second he's going to take the bait. he done seem to know how to make that turn. >> he gets fired up when talking about the gay pride parade and the fact that his opponent, andrew cuomo, marched in it with his daughters. let me play that clip for you. >> i don't think it is proper for them to go there and watch a couple of grown mend grind against each other. i think it's disgusting. >> i don't think it's proper, i think it's disgusting. if he had any hope and the polls had been going against him there had a been few polls that were close, now the gap is winding,

did he put a nail in his coffin? >> i certainly hope so. about i hope the gap widens. i've been to the gay pride parade in new york. i can assure you that i was able to go there without taking off my clothes, without grinding on anyone. this notion that the parade, that's all there is, belittles the people who go to that parade every year. there are families, there are couples who are there trying to show, you know, celebrate, being who they are, living honestly. when you have politicians like carl paladino saying what he said, it makes it more difficult for young people and even adults who are, you know, coming to terms with who they are, it makes it more difficult for therm to make the decision to come out, to be honest, to live honestly. >> does it say a little bit, do you think, where we are in this country? people were so fed up, it was almost like anybody who is not

part of the establishment, anybody who hasn't been in washington that almost seemed to be the message they were sending with nominating him instead of rick lazio. >> we've seen this in several congressional districts. it matters the substance. political science we say you can't beat somebody with nobody. let's hope that that's true. let's hope the candidates who are in fact without important content, in fact can't beat conditions who are, regardless of party. >> thanks to both of you. jonathan, thanks. >> thanks, chris. and democrats are also -- wait a minute. speaking of ads you knew this was coming, "saturday night live" couldn't wait to spoof christine o'donnell. take a look at some skits from saturday night's show. >> this november 2nd, vote for christine o'donnell aka, the enchantress, i'm not a witch. if i am, do you really want to

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technology with gps, with sensors. you may even have adaptive cruise control already in your car, something that slows down ace buffer when you get too close to another car. all of this is taking place. google and darpa have been work on it. more importantly, the people behind it from stanford and from carnegie melon, those are the people that are the smartest, and when you and i were work on splitting open frogs or doing volcanos with baking soda they were looking at gravitational pull of ball bearings to the earth. >> i was not doing that. it's fascinating to me, and it does make sense because one of the things they say, for example, let's say somebody slams on the brakes ahead of you, their sensors can react more quickly than a human can respond. i get that. what i also worry about is, if there's just some little

malfunction and i'm reading my kindle and not paying attention, it does seem like even a basic malfunction could be dangerous, if not fatal. what do they say about that? >> well, it's the thing that all automobile manufacturers worry about, is if there is a malfunction of any type, and we've seen malfunctions in cars and certainly there have been recalls because of it, but this would not go on the road until it was completely ready. one of the places that darpa was looking at the government unit looking for, was going into theater, into combat with these cars because if you don't have a driver and you're going into combat and that carç is able to take food or water or fuel into combat with them, that's one less life that's at risk. and a third of all of the people that go in there, earth working because they need food, fuel, water in that area. so that's where you really can see a benefit.

as we progress from having it in the military, in the rural mountain areas, perhaps we can bring it closer into urban areas where there are more people, more congestion, and we do have to worry about the finesse of this car. >> is there sort of a best-case sent scenario time line when we might see these on the roads? >> there has been no time line specified. there are already these vehicles in combat in theater, with these groups. you think of the vehicles that can go out before any of your military men go out, went they're in combat you put it out there first, and if there's an ied, an explosive in line where they're going to go, it's going to hit that car first and not any of our guys that we have to worry about being safe. >> fascinating stuff. thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. a sesame street spoof you won't want to miss. think grover as the old spice

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maybe this is a little too hot for tv. grover from "sesame street" in a towel. it's a spoof of the old spice ads we have seen on tv and online. >> look at your man. now back at me. now back at your man. now back to me. sadly, he isn't me, but if he stopped using lady scented body wash and switched to old spice, he could look at me. >> hello, everybody. look at me, now back at yourself, now back to me. sadly, you are not a monster, but if you listen to grover, you will know all about the word "on" just as this monster does. look down, back up. where am i?

oh, i am on a boat. what is in your hand? look at me, i have it. it is a clam with two tickets to the thing you love -- on my nose! anything is possible when you smell like a monster and know the word "on." i am on a horse -- >> moo. >> cow. >> i love that. anna is back. what do i know? you are the expert here, but i just thought that was brilliant. >> it is a brilliant campaign. you know a brilliant campaign when it get us out to the culture and people pary it. there's a reason for this. and the strategy is we want parents to watch with the kids. the kids probably don't even know -- it doesn't matter. the parents are watching it. it ininvolves them and you are learning at the same time.

a brilliant concept. >> it does bring them together as a generation. >> i'm happy grover is back. elmo has been the monster. grover was the monster that i loved the best. i love seeing grover back. he's been the second-tier guy, but now he's back as the old spice monster. >> we love it. >> i'm not going to take this sound, we have shown it before. but here's the new miley cyrus video. it is very adult, i will say. she'sen on a bed and guys running their hands over her thighs. she's 17 years old. she's a tween star. they are callingç for a boycot what do you think? >> i'm the mother of an 8-year-old daughter. there's sexualization out there broadly. but there's a space here when on the one hand we want to say the video is a problem, but we don't want to vilify the 17-year-old girl. she is responding to market

pressures. so we want to be critical of the market pressures that encourage all of our daughters from my 8-year-old to 17-year-old miley cyrus to sell themselves as sexual objects. >> who is marketing their 17-year-old like this? >> everybody. that's the sad reality. she goes out and says she wants to have a breast implant. talk about a marketing lift, really. >> we are going to give three thumbs-up to grover. and we'll leave parents out there to decide about miley. i'm chris jansing. see you back here at 3:00. 10:00, i used to do 3:00. 10:00 to noon eastern time. new york's mayor and carol finny will join the conversation. contessa brewer picks things up. what time are you on? >> noon eastern time. all right. more on the interview everybody is talking about today.

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