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how is that republican latino voter outreach going? this has been a heck of a year for gop candidates. >> thanks, rachel. you had rand paul, i have ron paul. >> congratulations, man. enjoy. >> thanks, rachel. every forest fire begins with a single park, so did the tea party movement, tinderbox ready to dismantle the american government and its revenue must have gotten their ideas from somewhere. tonight, their fearless leader, libertarian ron paul. >> you cut government back to its constitutional size, that's what you need. >> once at the fringe of his party, congressman ron paul is now the accident figurehead of the republican tea party leading the fight to tear down the american government.
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>> i believe that's what the tea party movement is all about is cutting it back to size. >> ron paul's message also the fuel for more extreme tea party candidates. >> who is ken? >> you regret at all dressing up as a nazi. >> i'm linda mcmahon. >> christine o'donnell. >> i'm not a movement. >> the father of a movement. the father of one of the most extreme nominees, senator from kentucky, his son rand paul. >> you have a right to say a business has the right not to serve black white. >> he hates american with disabilities act, cut air traffic control, food safety, clean air. they are playing you, and you know it. >> there are some of those looking at the tea party and hoping it will go away. >> isn't it amazing? >> when republican congressman ron paul won the conservative political actions conference
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straw poll this year, it seemed he was headed for another 2012 run for president. on saturday someone else took the spotlight at the virginia tea party patriots convention, new jersey governor chris christie 2012 presidential straw poll with 14%, ron paul third with 12.5%. is ron paul losing his grip on the party he helped create? joining me now from his district in clete, texas. thanks for joining us. >> you cite that election, the difference between the first and third place was 28 votes. i don't think that's a movement quite yet, but i think chris christie deserves credit for being bold. everybody talks about cutting and he did it. i think he certainly deserves attention for that. it's not too startling when you think just a few votes difference between first, second, and third.
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>> you've been the anti-government guy your entire career. chris christie comes out of nowhere, talks tough with the teachers union, thinks he might cancel an infrastructure project and suddenly he's on top of the poll. how did that make you feel, this johnny-come-lately jumping in there. >> like i said, i was 28 votes behind out of 1500 votes. so i think it's very interesting. i just -- i wouldn't want to take anything away from him i don't think it has a whole lot of significance. how many thought it was significant that i won the c-pac poll? dunk that was earth shattering? >> let's get to tea party and term limits. the tea party is in favor of term limits. your son is in favor of term limits. in his kentucky debate he said this.
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>> i think my greatest attribute is that i've never held office. we've had too many that go and stay for a career. >> now your son is clearly talking about you. you've been in congress for 20 years. what do you need to teach rand about the value of your experience and seniority in congress? >> well, one of the agreements we had when i came on your show was we weren't going to talk about other candidates, so i'm not going to talk about other candidates. you also said tea party people. >> i wasn't part of any agreement in coming on the show. if someone made an agreement with you, i don't know about it. no one said anything about it. >> i think that's impolite, then. i don't think that's polite to have somebody say, yes, we wouldn't be talking about other candidates. but let me go ahead and answer your question. first you said the tea party had a position that supports term limits. the tea party, i don't know of any contract. all i know is my relationship with the tea party people, which was really the first step.
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that was december 16th of 2007. they organized on their own to support my positions. and at that time i can guarantee you term limits never even came up. you want to know my position -- >> you obviously don't support term limits? >> no, obviously i have supported term limits. i've introduced legislation for term limits through the '70s. i was the first one to introduce legislation like that. wait, let me answer. let me answer. then in the '90s we had six or eight, maybe 10 votes on term limits. i voted for all of them. so i would support it. i've also made the very strong statement probably won't make a heck of a lot of difference. it depends on what people believe. if you have term limits and people come in and believe the same ideas about big government and big war and violation of civil liberties and torture and assassinations. you bring those people in after term limits you haven't changed
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anything. i want to bring in people strict constitutionalists and don't believe the president can wage war without declaration and presidents can't assassinate american citizens. that is what is important, not whether you have term limits or not. but i have been a supporter of term limits. >> if term limits are good why don't you self-impose term limits on yourself? >> well, because i don't -- i just explained to you i don't think term limits are all that great. people who self-limited -- wait. let me answer. the people who self-limited themselves for six years, some who were the conservative and more principled people left. they were some very good people and believed in the constitution. those who got in and said i'm going to term limit myself, frequently they didn't stick to their guns. term limits are going to be effective this year. we are doing it in a very proper manner.
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tea party people are limiting the terms of a lot of members of congress. a lot of people don't like that. i think the discussion about legalize and changing the constitution, how long is it going to take you to change the constitution. that is an academic discussion. that's a distraction from the term limits that are going on right now, which will establishment politicians aren't very happy about. >> now, in that debate tonight in kentucky, the subject of medicare came up. let's hear what they had to say about medicare. >> rand paul is against all these various programs. he wouldn't eliminate the doctors and agencies that pays doctors. he wan to make a comfortable living. >> why couldn't you do what he did as a doctor, refuse to take medicare patients, so he could avoid this hypocrisy of medicare except when he could make money from it.
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>> maybe you ought to check out -- you quoted his opponent. maybe you should check out the quote and see if it's accurate or not. that might make the difference. i'm not answering for rand. he's doing quite well. he's ahead. people are panicking. i see establishment people that would like to knock him down another notch. that's not relevant to what's going on here. of course we're going to have some disagreements. people within the libertarian movement and in my campaign, we have disagreements. no, i don't think that's all that relevant. my position on this is very simply that we need to cut spending. we don't need to throw people out in the street who we have taught to be dependent on medical care. so even though i don't believe those programs are constitutional for a minute. i don't believe the federal government should be in education, running medical care.
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wait, let me answer this. i would cut in order to make sure they didn't lose their medical care but i would cut those hundreds of billions of dollars overseas spending in these wars. i would not allow obama to expand these wars and i would keep that money here and tide people over until we came to our senses here and lived within our means. that is what we need to do. that is an answer to the medicare and medicaid and medical care problem we have in this country. >> we're going to have rand's quote on medicare so you can see it. he was not misquoted by jack conway. >> out of context. >> you would abolish medicare, wouldn't you? >> who me? >> yeah. >> no. >> why not? >> i just got done explaining to you. >> no, you didn't. not exactly. it's a socialistic program you libertarians would abolish. it's the first one you'd abolish, wouldn't you?
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>> let me explain to you. it's going to abolish itself when we go bankrupt. we're on the verge of a dollar crisis. checks won't buy anything. the medical care in this country is going down. what i want to do is at least in a temporary way is preserve what we have and not hurt these people. listen again. the only way to do this, live within our means, cut -- i want to cut the war spending of obama. i want to cut all this expense overseas. i've joined with barney frank in this effort to cut spending overseas, bring troops home from korea, troops home from europe and help people dependent on the government. i think it's wrong to be dependent. it isn't right. we should work for the day when these individuals can take care of themselves once again, be self-reliant. i practiced money before medicare came in. >> that's the code word for abolish medicare. you want to get rid of medicare.
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>> okay. if you want to keep putting words in my mouth, go ahead, but i think people listening here in this program will have reason to understand what i'm saying. see, you're ignoring the fact on how you work your way out of this. i have the transition program. what happens in 10 or 20 or 30 years from now is another subject. i'm trying to say if you want to have medical care for the elderly or education for our children, you can't do it by running up trillions of dollars of debt a year. that is my beef. my beef is this, that we have to cut. i don't come out and say, well, we're spending too much. what we have to do is cut medicare, abolish medicare. you're absolutely distorting my views. my views are this and i do get a lot of support from the left because they understand. the true progressive understands what i'm saying.
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i'm saying stop the wars. stop this war mongering. stop this war on terrorism. >> you're very clear about the wars. you always have been. i appreciate your clarity on that. i do think you could be more clear on medicare. let's get to the civil rights act. on the 40th anniversary of the 1964 civil rights act, you said this on the floor of the house. the civil rights act of 1964 did not improve race relations or enhance freedom. now, you were not subject to segregation before the 1964 civil rights act, so is it possible that you don't know or you don't understand removal of segregation was, in fact, an enhancement of freedom for african-americans who were not allowed to drink from the same drinking fountain you were, not allowed to patronize the same
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restaurants, all sorts of things. their freedom was very sharply restricted by law until that law. how can you say that it did not enhance freedom? >> well, what i have said is certain portions of that bill were unconstitutional. by getting rid of the laws in the states that were blatantly unconstitutional and were illegal, they should have been repealed. there's nothing wrong with repealing things but taking over private property is another thing. taking over private property and telling people what to do with private property is like taking over bedrooms. >> you mean restaurants, those dining -- >> i'm talking about private property. i'm talking about all private property. >> you mean dining rooms black people should not have been integrated. you think that's not proper. >> listen to me, lawrence. those were all the laws that
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were written. martin luther king -- if you knew anything about me -- >> did it enhance freedom to get rid of those laws? >> look, you're grossly misrepresenting what i'm saying. the civil rights, if you eliminated all the -- >> did not improve race relations or enhance freedom, the words of ron paul. word for word you said that. >> well, if you understood exactly what the freedom philosophy does, it brings people together. martin luther king did not advocate some of the things that go on today. what he advocated was treating everybody equally and get rid of the law. he practiced a libertarian principle by saying -- by practicing civil disobedience. that is great. nullification of the law. civil disobedience. in order to repeal the laws, segregation in this country has
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always been the the government, military, army, slavery. it's only libertarian principles of treating everybody usa individuals. slavery on up to the military, guess where the first real integration occurred? voluntarily in sports. so the portions of the law in 1964 that were bad because they violated property rights, i object to that because it violates property rights of people who want to have privacy in their bedroom. economic and personal liberty are all in the same. so when you understand that, you understand. barry goldwater was opposed to that. he wasn't considered an evil person. back then chris matthews was a supporter of barry goldwater, his position. so to demagogue this, i think you're really desperate. >> congressman, let's not try to pretend libertarianism is what
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changed segregation in this country, it was activist liberal government that changed segregation, otherwise it would still be with us. it took activist liberal washington government in the civil rights act to end that segregation that you properly decry. >> sure. >> sure. we're now in agreement. >> we want to repeal. all you need to do was repeal the jim crow laws. all we say is that you repeal the bad laws and treat people equally under the law. that is what you do. unfortunately today everything is done by group rights. individuals have rights. you don't have rights because you belong to a group. property rights are identical to personal liberty and social liberties. you have property rights. your right to be on tv is property rights because people can't march into your station and have a restraint. you can't pick and choose on
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property. can you have private property rights and freedom in your church but not your store, your house, whatnot. it's a poor understanding that brings us to this. i say it is the libertarian that understands this and martin luther king understood this and used libertarian principles by practicing peaceful civil disobedience and repealing law. earlier in the program you condemned me for wanting to repeal laws. i'm the one that wants to repeal jim crow laws. that's what i want to do. you don't understand that and that's okay, but others have. >> congressman ron paul, proud libertarian. >> check with your staff, too. check with your staff about your disagreements. you were very discourteous on what you have done. this is not the debate that you had asked for. therefore, after you're doing a very nice thing, you gave me a very nice quote on your program one night.
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read my whole quote. >> no one has been -- look, you're so plain spoken in certain situations. no one has been clearer, more powerful on this issue of locating an islamic center near ground zero, no one has been more clear on that. i wish we had more time to talk about medicare and other issues. congressman ron paul, republican from texas. please come back and let's do more of this. >> well good luck. good luck. >> thanks a lot, congressman. senator jim demint in kentucky stumping for rand paula strong sign demint isn't feeling the need to campaign for himself at home for mr. green. he joins me next. another week, another controversy from carl paladino, tea party candidate for governor in new york. this time he's attacking gay people. republican senator jim
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republican senator jim demint from south carolina is the most extreme member of the u.s. senate. just last week he told an audience the same thing he said when he first ran for senate in 2004, that unmarried women and gay men should not be allowed to be public school teachers. >> do you also still believe that, that a single mom should not be teaching in south carolina schools? >> i believe that's a local school board issue. >> are you apologizing to gay teachers or single mom teachers. >> i'm apologizing for talking about a local school board issue. >> demint is up for re-election and the man opposing him may be the least likely candidate to win this november. alvin greene shocked the democratic party when he won the primary over long time
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democratic activist with 59% of the vote even though green never had one campaign event. he's unemployed, lives with his parents and has now been indicted on felony charges for showing pornography to a south carolina college student, something his lawyer called flirting. the state of south carolina even investigated where he got the $10,000 filing fee and found that, indeed, it came from money he saved after he left the air force as he has said. joining me now the democratic nominee from senate from south carolina alvin greene. alvin greene, thanks for joining us tonight. >> good evening. >> there's a first question that all senate candidates have to answer this year. and that is, of course, are you a witch? >> no, first i want to remind everyone that demint started the recession. >> there you go, you're on your talking points. you're not a witch and demint started the recession.
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your nickname is high school was turtle. where did that come from and does that tell us anything about how this race might end up? >> demint started the recession, demint is responsible for the recession. i'm the best candidate that defines where we're at right now in this country. >> now, i know people tell you, no matter what the question is, just do your talking points and all that sort of stuff. but seriously, alvin, your nickname, turtle, where did that come from? >> no. like i said, demint started the recession, and i'm the best candidate that defines where we're at in this country. i'm united states air force and united states army veteran. the concentrations on those efforts. an unemployed military veteran currently.
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100,000,000 jobs a month and demint is responsible for the recession. demint started the recession. >> okay. let's go to some demint's statements, do you think single teachers should be school teachers in south carolina? >> yes, that's their private life. as long as their private life doesn't interfere with the job, that's fine. what they do in their private life, as long as it doesn't have any affect on how they do their job. that's fine. it's just poor positions from demint that has gotten us into this recession. we just have to keep that in mind, demint started the recession. >> how did demint personally start the recession? >> irresponsible spending,
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record cuts to education. the supporting the bush tax plan, mismanagement of federal resources. we can look at the wars in the middleeast and how the wars are managed in iraq and afghanistan. so we just see this irresponsible spending and this mismanagement of government resources, federal government resources. mismanagement of resources. it's destroyed this country. we see that he's responsible for it. that's a fact. demint started the recession, he's responsible for the recession, and it doesn't make any sense sending somebody back to washington that's messing things up every day. >> well, i've got to tell you. i don't think jim demint personally started the recession
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but i do think alvin greene, still better than jim demint. alvin greene, democratic candidate for south carolina, thanks for joining us tonight. >> he started it in his first term. thank you. do the research. >> i'll do the research right after the show, find out who started the recession. >> all right. >> thank you very much, alvin greene. >> thank you. cameras can capture your every move. don't believe me? the new series "look" shoes you [ male announcer ] 100 potato chips or 100 pringles.
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columbus day weekend in new york is all about parades and pride, italian-american pride. in the spotlight, new york's crazy republican billionaire candidate for governor took the opportunity of the columbus day parades, new york has five of them, to reach back four months to a parade he really doesn't like. >> i didn't march in a gay parade this year. gay pride parade this year. my opponent did. >> paladino's opponent is cuomo who like most democrats marched in the gay pride parade this year. but this time he brought his daughters. paladino didn't like that either. >> i just think my children and your children will be much better off and much more successful getting married and raising a family.
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i don't want them to be brainwashed into thinking homosexuality is an equally valid or successful option. it isn't. >> paladino has a daughter about the same age as cuomo's but he had her with a mistress outside of his 40 year marriage and did not acknowledge the existence of the child until a few months ago. so far she doesn't do parades with daddy. he made his comments to a conservative religious audience in brooklyn. according to a report in the "new york post," female reporters and photographers were banned from covering carl paladino's anti-gay speech for religious reasons. while the event was going on, some women on the upper floors of the building dumped water on the banned journalists. the tea party-backed analyst backed his comments. though he never attended the parade in question he continued to issue parental advisories about it.
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>> young children should not be exposed to that at a young age. they don't understand this. it's a very difficult thing. exposing them to homosexuality especially at a gay pride parade. i don't know if you've ever been to one. they wear little speedos and they grind against each other and it's just a terrible thing. >> andrew cuomo issued a standard new york democrat's response. >> we've seen attempts to try to divide us before and we've always rejected one. we celebrate our diversity. we know that we're difference. we're italians, we're jewish, we're straight, wear gay, we're upstate, we're down state, but that's what makes us special and that's what makes us great. don't you dare try to make it a weakness when it's our greatest strength. >> cuomo could have noted speedos are the preferred bathing suit style on every beach in italy. speedo grinding is lower voltage
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than any of the dancing done in any music video ever made. joining me now nor a sitdown on this subject is emmy winning actor and president and founder of no kidding, me, too, a charity devoted to curing brain disease, joey pantoliano. >> held okay, lawrence. >> joey, first of all, speedos. >> i can't wear them anymore. >> there was a day. >> there was a day. i wore speedos -- the last time i wore speedos it was because i was doing a stunt on "the sopranos" when i was in the steam room. we wore speedos so it looked like we were just wearing towels. only italians can wear speedos. irish don't ever. >> cass your asses are flat. >> we have to move on to the important subject of carl paladino's rants. the gay pride parade before this
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one. i was with my daughter in new york. she wanted to go. she's a teenager at the time. fourteen. still is a teenager. you have kids. gay pride parade, that dangerous for children you think? >> no. i think it shows a lack of tolerance. i think it was just a campaign hocus pocus. he was like for the bigot vote. he does it at a synagogue. he's behind in the election. here we are. we're talking about him. >> we have bullying stories at the same time. the guy at rutgers who killed himself after he was exposed through these video cameras. it seems like a guy like paladino does not care or incapable of connect k any of
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the cultural dots between the kinds of things he says and those kinds of outcomes that make a kid feel so badly about being discovered as gay. >> ignorance is a really dangerous thing. a guy like this is just grasping at straws. he's just grasping at straws. he doesn't understand the sensitivity of the issue. there's no tolerance. it's all about judgment. he is -- i never heard of the guy until this incident. >> you were holding your head down in what seemed like shame when we were rolling that video of him talking. on this columbus day weekend which is supposed to be about italian celebration of their great hero christopher columbus, to have italian-american politics in new york go into this part of the gutter seems kind of depressing to you.
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>> i'm really proud of being an italian-american. i'm proud of my culture. what andrew said about we are -- we're everything. we're italian, puerto rican, gay, straight. i grew up in the projects of hoboken, new jersey. we had to get along with everybody. that's real diversity. obviously this guy doesn't know. he's been brainwashed from a culture of them and us. and as far as christopher columbus, that's the one thing i'm not proud of. i think christopher columbus and what he stood for is not tolerance. taking what you want. look what he did to the american indians. this was their land, right? manipulated them, selling this island for, what, $18. it's kind of appropriate that it happened on columbus day.
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>> joey pants, a fascinating last word on the subject of paladino and cuomo. i want to hear more about columbus day from you next year. the great joey pantoliano that can be seen in the upcoming movies, "jeremy fink and the meaning of life" and also "lucy's" thanks for being our italian-american. drawing the line, dressing up as a nazi. that's the rewrite. security cams catch millions of hours of tape every week. you do not know how much you're being watched. i know you think you do, but you don't. a new series on showtime will prove once again if it's true, then you're not paranoid. [ male announcer ] this is steven, a busy man.
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time for tonight's rewrite. rich iott, candidate in ohio is defending himself for his hobby of dressing up in nazi uniforms. "the atlantic" magazine uncovered photos showing iott's ties to a group called viking. the original caption labels iott under his nazi pseudonym. it reads his pictured with herr schneider, a real vet.
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he said it's been a few years since he donned the uniform and he quit the group after his son lost interest. this all started so he and his son could do some father-son nazi bonding together. now, one might assume that such careless disregard for the meaning of a uniform would come from someone who never served in one. but iott's own campaign site shows rich is a proud member of the ohio military reserve where he holds the rank of colonel. he's in his 28th year of service. he's a graduate of the usmc command and staff college and usaf air war college. mr. iott has been awarded highly coveted israeli jump wings and senior parachutist wings of the netherlands. iott has had a lot to say since the story broke saying it's
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about re-enactment of history. >> anybody involved in re-enacting endorse politics of the time period of the group it represents. there's politics where i can say with certainty they don't endorse feeding christians to lions. >> it's a carefully timed character assassination. it's another lie to distract the voters from what the real issues are. it's about not wanting to talk about the issues. >> the viking group has a recruitment video on its website. if this isn't glorifying the experience of re-enacting military actions of nazi germany, then nothing is.
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but mr. iott came de los saying the right thing with this statement on saturday. never in any of my re-enacting of military history have i meant any disrespect to anyone who served in our military or anyone who has been affected by the tragedy of war, especially the jewish community.
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well, that's close, mr. iott, but still not quite there. what you should have said is never in my pursuit of my fetishistic attachment to nazi uniforms have i stopped to think how my actions have been disrespectful to anyone who served in the military or anyone who has been affected by the tragedy of war, especially the jewish community. of course, if you are a sick, nazi loving anti-semite, then you've really said all you need to say. >> men and women have inalienable rights. ♪ [ william ] three years ago, i started my first real job
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as a part time sales associate with walmart. when william came in i knew he had everything he needed to be a leader in this company. [ william ] after a couple of months, i was promoted to department manager. like, wow, really? me? a year later, i was promoted again. walmart even gave me a grant for my education. recently, he told me he turned down a job at one of the biggest banks in the country. this is where i want to be. i fully expect william will be my boss one day. my name is william and i work at walmart. ♪
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watching you, indeed. new york city's subway system is being watched. the nypd has 3,000 cameras watching 5,000 subway passengers every day. 500 of those cameras in three stations, times square, penn, live images to a security hub where the video is monitored. from platforms to stair wells, turn styles, from point a to b to c police can see every step you take. if you think the pervasive eye of the surveillance camera is just part of urban life, that big brother is only inside the big city limits, you are very, very wrong.
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>> a minimart by the train station on stafford. i've got a wild bum in here. oh, my god. >> oh, my god, those girls are about to try on bikinis. >> the minutiae of my life is killing me. >> what do you want to do? party? is that what you want to do. >> don't tell anybody about this? >> i won't. >> give me the tape. >> that's a clip of the new show, time series "look" exploring our camera everywhere culture. joining me now, the writer, executive producer of the show. adam, you're a credit hog. you're a friend of mine, admit it. why are you taking the writing credit, that looks like surveillance video. you're not writing anything. >> it's entirely scripted, those are actors. it's a drama like any other kind of drama.
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>> scripted but shot through surveillance cameras or these monitors they have in 7-elevens. >> correct. it explores the idea the average american is captured on a surveillance camera more than 300 times a day. >> a day. >> that's big brother, not including little brother, which is all the cell phone cameras, web cams, flip cams, all the cameras we live in on a daily basis. the entire show is shot exclusively from the point of view of all these cameras. >> including little brother cameras, individual hand-held. >> absolutely. >> blackberry cameras. >> correct. >> we saw an ugly example of little brother with the rutgers university student who was videoed having sex. >> terrible. >> went to kill himself. when you saw something like that develop, part of you is not surprised, at least about how the video was used, right? >> i'm not surprised at all. when we were preparing for "look" we did a lot of research.
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there are very, very productive uses for cameras. we've seen in london, the london bombers were caught because of surveillance cameras. there are also many, many camera abuses. the rutgers thing is a horrible example. when we were researching we went to different security offices, malls, security experts. a lot of times we saw professional people taking their jobs seriously but sometimes we saw things for example we went to one mall and went to their security system. the people behind the monitors were not professionals at all. they were high school kids smoking pot, using cameras to zoom in girls' books. they were posting everything on youtube. as a private person i thought this was horrifying. >> as a kid in high school you were not slightly -- >> watching this astounds me. when watching a drama or any other show you don't have to justify how we get the shot.
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we plant them wherever we want in fiction. when conceiving of it, you have to justify how do we get the scene on camera with the various cameras we're using. >> it was an interesting process. it goes against everything i ever learned as a filmmaker. the camera placement was a noncreative choice, which is usually part of movie making. the creative aspect was gone. we only put cameras where they were or would be. we used security experts to make sure everything is authentic. no camera in the show where there wouldn't ab camera or was. performance and staging was the challenge. we wanted everything to be role. >> i could go on and on about this. i love the show and love the challenge of trying to shoot a show that way. allan rifkin, "look" sunday at midnight. thank you. you can have the last word online,