tweet@lawrence. that's the last word. countdown is up next. which of these stories will you be talking about tomorrow? the first tea party candidate to self-destruct. >> i don't want them to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid or successful option. it isn't. >> and worsts, the would-be governor of new york doesn't even know it's homophobia. he thinks he's being generous. >> don't misquote me as wanting to hurt homosexual people in any way. that would be a lie. my approach is live and let live. >> other than the promise to veto civil unions, gay marriage, gay rights. and the hobby of mr. iott of ohio, the republican candidate in the ohio ninth -- and part-time nazi reenactor. he liked the ss uniforms the best.

when campaign speech becomes hate speech, with josh marshall and gene robinson. >> i would absolutely repudiate that and not support an individual -- >> well, you haven't. >> -- to do something like that. i'm doing it right here. karl rove is laugh out loud funny, starring in the role of the innocent bystander. he never funded american crossroads or crossroads gps. pay no attention to the trail a mile wide. >> this is a desperate, and i think, disturbing trend by the president of the united states to tar his political adversaries with some kind of, you know, enemies list. >> and the desperate effort to pretend there's no foreign money going into the chamber of commerce to try to influence the midterms. >> "the washington post" and "the new york times" both completely refudiated this charge. >> thanks, ed-gles palin. >> have these people no shame? >> shame? cute to have him use a word he doesn't understand.

with artificial intelligence software, let google put you out of the driver's seat. all the news and commentary now on "countdown." good evening from new york. today is national coming out day to help young people tell the people in their lives who they really are. and we know this because it's getting extra publicity, today, courtesy of the republican and tea party. our fifth story tonight, new york gubernatorial candidate carl paladino spending national coming out day defending his position that coming out is a valid option. this a week after half a dozen young people killed themselves. just hours after eight men in new york city were arraigned on charges that they systemically preyed on, beat, sodomized, and tortured two teenagers and one man for being gay. on the morning of national coming out day, mr. paladino

claimed he has nothing against gay people, except their marriages, but he stood by his criticism of democratic rival andrew cuomo for having taken his daughters to the gay pride parade. >> mr. cuomo took his daughters to a gay pride parade. is that normal? would you do it? would you take your children to a gay pride parade? >> i think that you can probably expose your children to a lot of different things and help them decide and make their own decisions. >> really? no, i don't think it's proper to take them there and watch a couple of grown men grind against each other. i think it's disgusting. >> mr. paladino's marks went far beyond opposing gay marriage. he talks about the downfall of our culture, he talks about children "brainwashed" to think homosexuality is okay. and when he talks about the gay pride parade, watch his face. this as the city he is in is reeling from a hate crime.

>> we must stop mocking religion in this country. we must stop this indoctrination of our children in our schools and ideas and values that will prevent them from enjoying happy and successful lives. we must stop pandering to the pornographers and the perverts who seek to target our children and destroy their lives. i didn't march in the gay parade this year -- the gay pride parade this year. my opponent did, and that's not the example that we should be showing our children, and certainly not in our schools. and don't misquote me as wanting to hurt homosexual people in any way. that would be a dastardly lie. my approach is live and let live. i just think my children and your children will be much better off and much more

successful getting married and raising a family. and i don't want them to be brainwashed into thinking that homosexuality is an equally valid or successful option. it isn't. if you elect me as your next governor, you can depend on me to protect and defend your family from those who seek to tear down our values and bankrupt our citizens. and yes, i will veto all legislation that mocks our sacred institution of marriage and family. i will veto any gay marriage or civil union bill that comes to my desk. yes, i'm angry. real angry at the way our politically correct elites are mistreating our innocent children and i want to protect them and give them a real future in america, the greatest country on god's green earth.

>> one example to show your children, give them brothers and sisters outside your marriage. mr. paladino said today that he merely shares the catholic position on gays, but civil remarks earlier that day that were written for paladino by an anti-gay orthodox rabbi whose position he says, comes from leviticus, who says, if a man lie, they shall be put to death. that rabbi endorsed mr. paladino saying mr. paladino goes farther than other candidates have. >> you are one of the first politicians to come to this community in 30 years, you are not the first one to make this kind of a speech. but for this alone, deserve -- spiritually, you deserve, and we plead and pray to god. this is not a political get-together, this is a get-together of prayer. we plead with god, be able to raise our children in holiness. that's what this is about.

>> and in a clip levin posted on his website yesterday, a joke about mr. paladino firing his campaign manager turns into a joke about gay marriage. >> michael, you're fired. [ inaudible ] >> my wife, it's a she. >> with us tonight, josh marshall, founder and editor of talking points memo. good to see you, josh. what are the politics mr. paladino associating himself with extremist religious figures like those? >> here we don't call them extremist religious figures, we call them the rabbis that live out in brooklyn. this is sort of like a regular things that politicians of both parties do all the time, which is part of new york politics. >> without reading a hostage note that they are handed, a ransom note. >> yeah. what really stands out to me about this whole episode is not so much that he went to speak to these people that are part of the new york community, or even what he said about

homosexuality, is just the amateurism of his whole thing. you know, going there -- you know, most politicians are more than willing to pander, but they don't get handed a speech by the host and to read it cold and not even knowing what's going to be in there. you know, this whole thing, it's not even so much a campaign, it's like, you know, carl paladino's six-month primal scream and we all have front-row seats. >> i wish it were that. i didn't even get to the fact that mr. paladino spoke last night at not one, but two events at which women were not allowed, female reporters were not allowed. women standing outside were chased away. one of them had to cover through the windows at one. that was as close as they could get. what if a muslim group had kept women out of some sort of politically related gubernatorial or other race event this time of the year? >> you know, i think the reaction would have been much more negative. >> a little bit. >> yeah. >> can you expand on the context

in which the paladino remarks hit last night, especially when we've seen this brutal crime in this city? i guess he thought it was okay because it was a different borough of this city? >> well, you had this terrible incident in new york. you had the suicide across the river, a rutgers university student, gay, who was sort of forcibly outed in this kind of bizarre incident with his roommates. you know, not really well timed, to put it mildly. i don't think he was thinking about that. you know, the other thing that strikes me about carl paladino is that, you know, what he said, the actual concepts are really not that different from what most conservative republicans say they believe about homosexuality. the difference is, is that over the last 10 or 20 years, as societal moraes have changed, those folks have come up with the vocabulary to signal that they think homosexuality is not normal, that it's wrong, but there's not a lot of "disgustings" and this really kind of harsh language. so one thing that carl paladino has a lot of credibility on now,

he's not like other politicians. not in albany and not anywhere. and you see -- well, maybe somewhere, but he's operating from different playbook, and i think this is an example, where there's, you know, those rough edges are still there. >> to that playbook, and mr. paladino's religious and even biblical quotations in here. so the bestiality e-mail that he sent out, i assume, is covered somewhere, is okay in the bible or in some orthodox religion? this is his moral and ethical baseline that we're using here? >> i think leviticus was pretty down on that too, actually. but i don't get the sense -- you know, carl paladino is saying that his aversion to homosexuality is rooted in his catholicism and obviously the catholic church is not big on homosexuality. but watching carl paladino for the last several months and seeing the racist e-mails and the bestiality e-mails he sends around, you don't get the sense that this is a pious guy. this is somebody who's got a -- you know, believes in -- >> primal screaming. >> yeah. >> as you said before.

talking points editor founder and editor, joshua, thanks for coming in. i mentioned with josh, this was not an isolated incident. it's not isolated in context. what do you see in the tea party? is it social conservatives masquerading as fiscal conservatives? >> it's interesting, because when pollsters ask tea party members if those social issues like gay marriage and gay rights are important to them, they say, no, they rank them very low in importance. but what we see here in this incident and we've seen with others is that with this fiscal conservative, this so-called fiscal conservatism, because it really isn't fiscal conservatism, but with what they're calling fiscal conservatism comes a lot of very socially conservative -- comes a very socially conservative framework. what we're really worried about today in new york with mr. paladino is the horrible message

this kind of talk sends, first of all, to young people who may be struggling with their own identity and also with the message it sends to people who agree with him, who think that this gives them permission to stigmatize and to bully and to hate, especially in this context that you were discussing with josh, where we've had probably the most horrific hate crime in the history of new york city, you know, that came right after this poor kid from rutgers jumped off that -- jumped off the george washington bridge. >> the political context, the former bush campaign manager, ken mehlman said earlier this year, famously, that in '04 and '06, the gop used initiatives -- gay-baiting initiatives on ballots around the country to bring out the evangelical vote. how much of that conscious dynamic do you with see here when christine o'donnell at one time pretty much dedicated her life anti-gay work, when as josh just pointed out, there was no dog whistles. this was flat homophobic language you'd by this candidate for new york? >> well, i think you see some of it. whether it's conscious, whether it's part of a campaign strategy

or not, you're going to see some of it, especially in the closing days of this campaign, when people want try to rally the base. but i think the difference this year is that it's not really going to work. we've made -- despite the fact that people in the gay rights movement are upset with president obama for not doing enough, the truth is that the country, culturally, has come -- has made a lot of progress, even since earlier in 2006. and what we have to do now is keep making that progress. and it would be really a shame to go back. but if the republicans -- if this kind of talk and if these so-called fiscal conservatives push the republican party in a direction of social conservatism, you're going to see a congress that is very reluctant to even do away with don't ask, don't tell next year, and certainly not pass employment discrimination protections that we've been trying to get. >> but the flip side that we saw of the gay-baiting in '04 and '06 from the republicans was that social conservatives mostly did not get what they wanted. they got played, bush and the republicans took their votes, and there was no second act to the deal.

what is this christian rights/tea party/whatever they're going to call themselves next time, what are they going to do when they find out that even the tea party is playing them too? >> they've been trying to make god part of the elections now and for the last couple of decades. and it's very interesting what's happening now, because i think it's going to backfire. and i think we have to tell gay people that god made you how you are, that it's perfectly normal, that, you know, you need to go forward, lead your life, be out. that's why this important issue of gay marriage is so important, because it sends a message, you know, marriage is really a proxy issue. it's not really so much about who you get to marry, but it's really a proxy issue for whether or not you believe that gays are entitled to full dignity, full respect, complete equal full equality now. >> richard sock reitz, thanks.

it could be worse. there could be pictures of carl paladino in an ss uniform. the ohio congressional candidate admits it's him, admits he does it, explains he's still the victim. as karl rove says he's still the victim, skirting campaign finance laws? no, he's being persecuted! there's a presidential enemies list, next.

true to his dog-eared playbook, when caught trying to subvert free elections in the united states, he thought it was rule 22, yell loudly and claim you're on a white house enemies list. if you're running for congress and there's a photo of you like this and it's not photoshopped and you admit it, there doesn't seem much to do besides move to argentina. not unless you're a tea party candidate. no, no, he's the victim. has homeland security been to see this guy yet? he's just proposed flying a plane into a building in lower manhattan. and google's latest computer wizardly, the car that does not need you behind the wheel? well, there goes "car and driver" magazine.

the last time karl rove freaked out on fox pac, it was because his candidate in delaware got beaten by a teenage witch from the junior anti-sex league. this time the president of the united states is using his bully pulpit to shine a light on karl rove's secret election machine. in our fourth story in the countdown, mr. rove is screaming, not only like this was his first political campaign, but as if this was his first time getting caught cheating. first appearing on fox news sunday, karl rove was chafed by the president's assumption.

and didn't like the insinuation that chamber of commerce made a threat to our democracy. the president first made that claim on thursday and repeated it yesterday and mr. rove freaked out. >> this is a desperate, and i think disturbing trend by the president of the united states to tar his political adversaries with some kind of, you know, enemies list, with being unrestrained by any facts or evidence whatsoever. >> rove, who worked on president nixon's '72 campaign is on obama's so-called enemies list, which is not really an enemies list, for not sharing the names on his friends list. more freaking. >> have these people no shame? does the president of the united states have such little regard for the office that he holds that he goes out there and makes these kind of baseless charges against his political enemies? this is just beyond the pale. how dare the president do this. >> yes, how dare the president insist we have open and honest elections, ones that do not

disproportionately represent anonymous corporate citizen. today campaigning in pennsylvania, the vice president, mr. biden going after mr. rove's secret machine, "does it surprise you that karl rove and his friends, karl rove, the architect of the policies that drove us into this ditch are back raising tens of millions of dollars from shady sources. for the first time in modern american history, they don't have to tell us." the vice president also taking on the chamber of commerce and the allegations that the group accepts foreign money and uses it to accept attack adds. again, mr. biden, "i challenge the chamber of commerce. if i'm wrong, i will stand corrected, but show me." thinkprogress.org reported last week that at least hundreds of thousands of dollars of foreign money was being accepted by the chamber which does not disclose its donors and uses money from its general fund to pay for attack ads overwhelmingly benefiting republicans. mr. josten, "the times" wrote,

said the chamber of commerce had 115 foreign general affiliates in 108 countries that pay a total of less than $100,000 in general membership dues that go into its regular funds. this is its graphic. josten's claim may account for some money, but not from contributions for what the chamber calls a relative handful of non-u.s.-based companies. i'm joined now by the editor of thinkprogress. good evening. >> good evening, keith. and congratulations on your award. >> thank you kindly. rove in a minute, first, explain this chart to me. explain the foreign money coming into the chamber that your group is saying, the rest of the media is ignoring or pretty much glossing over. >> we've established three facts. one is that the chamber is gladly accepting foreign money. we know that at least $300,000 of that foreign money is coming into a general account and that that general account is used to fund $75 million worth of attack ads.

those are the facts that are largely undisputed. we haven't heard the chamber explain away any of that, so we had to put together a graphic for much of the media that is hearing the chamber's spin story about the fact that only $100,000 comes from amkhams. amkhams is this independent-based chapters abroad are only responsible for a tiny amount of the foreign money that they receive. and what we did with the graphic is showed that these business counsels and that these foreign companies comprise the bulk of the money that they're receiving, and i think it's important that the chamber have to respond to the fact that they are not only accepting this money, but that some of the money might be trying to influence our elections. >> a point that mr. biden made in pennsylvania today, going after karl rove and the chamber and others. so the white house just figured this out? the lightbulb went on in your neighborhood there? >> i guess they could only get stabbed in the back so many times by the chamber. i think, you know, in 2009, the white house had been working with the health insurance companies, the chamber to try to get health reform passed.

and what they learned after that the fight is that the health insurance companies who had been working publicly to say that they were dealing with the white house were secretly funneling at least $20 million to the chamber to run attack ads to defeat health reform. and so people realized, i think, in the white house, that these people at the chamber of commerce are not out to work with them. they're simply a partisan outfit that's out to attack every policy. of course, we saw that when wall street reform came up, they were attacking it without any basis for a lot of the claims that they were making. and so i think now, having gone through a lot of these historical experiences with the chamber, the white house is now fed up and we've provided, i think, some good information about what the chamber's been up to and i appreciate the fact that the president and the vice president are making this a national cause. >> mr. rove playing victim on behalf of what the vice president called a stable of billionaires and millionaires, which is an apt phrase, especially harkening back to mr. paladino. does anyone buy this idea or who

is buying the idea that rove is on the wrong end of a nixionian enemies list? >> you mentioned the nixonian thing. but karl rove was also behind the whisper campaign to call ann richards a lesbian. he was behind a smear campaign to suggest that john mccain had a black child in 2000 in south carolina. he was, of course, behind the outing of valerie plame's secret identity at the cia. he was also behind the outing - or the firing of attorneys at the justice department because they wouldn't pursue his partisan agenda. this is the guy who's now telling us that he's upset that the president has an enemies list. it's nonsense and people should, of course, take it with a grain of salt. what president obama's doing is documenting about some of the facts about what karl rove is up to. he's operating a shadow fund that doesn't, i don't think, comply with the law, and he's using this shadow operation to solicit huge amounts of corporate money that we don't know where it's coming from to

fund partisan attack ads. and the president's, rightfully, making everyone aware of that fact. >> briefly, devil's advocate question, sicu, the international union, it has 60,000 or so candidatian members. how do we know these filthy canadians are not contributing $385 to the sciu campaign ads? >> that's the point there, keith. we know where the unions get their money. and it's from unions' dues paying members. it's from hard-working blue-collar folks. i don't want to diminish the fact that foreign money is coming in. i challenge everybody across the board who might be accepting any foreign money to document how they're receiving it and what they're doing with it, and that applies to sciu. but let's be clear. the chamber's problem is on an unprecedented scale. they're running $75 million in advertising, $10.5 million just this week. they're advocating for the companies that outsource jobs and receive a tax loophole for doing so. and now they're trying to outsource or democracy. so i think that they deserve scrutiny on a far higher-level scale than anybody else.

>> fais that kira, thank you kindly for your time. so a ohio congressman likes to reenact military battles. it's a bonding experience. uh-oh.

the one time you can compare a republican to a nazi without invoking godwin's law. first, the insanity break.

as part of msnbc's lane forward campaign, we're going to snaz things up a bit with a new dress code around here. for all shows airing at 8:00 p.m. eastern or later, black tie will be required, ball gowns for the ladies. morning and dayside, top hats like the doormen at hotels. weekends, suits of armor. no, it's an awards ceremony tonight, no time to change. table for two, down front. let's play "oddball." we begin in china with a pig showing what it's made of. he was born with only his two front legs, but his farmer owner refused to get rid of the big. instead wang trained his impaired piglet to balance and walk on his two front legs. since then the hog of hope has become a major attraction and wang has received many bids from people attempting to buy him. but he's turned them down because there are things more important than money, like ham, bacon.

to taiwan and a thriller of a story. he got tired of telling the crows to beat it, so he came up with an idea that he didn't think was bad. he decided to quote, since michael is good at grabbing his bird, i'd invite michael to grab birds in our fields. that is some off the wall thinking. surprisingly, the crows saw the mannequins and decided, this is it, and departed. lee follows the old adage of, don't stop until you get enough and continues to make more scarecrows, although it is only a matter of time before the crows return to rock his world. time marches on! the man called himself reinhart ferdman and participated in reenacting the movements and dressing habits of a german panzer division that killed jews in hungary, which i guess is just a problem for him and people who like him or unless he's, say, a tea party nominee from the ninth congressional district from ohio.

and he says he's the victim of a smear, even though there are photos.

they have embraced birthers, deathers, and tenters, but what would republican party do with the latest out of ohio's ninth congressional district. our third story, millionaire business man, rich iott, nazi reenactor on weekends. mr. iott, running on the usual tea party platitudes until a report from the atlantic's josh green citing mr. iott's involvement with a group of nazi reenactors. mr. iott seen wearing a german ss uniform was a member of a group that reenacted the panzer viking since 2003. although they posted a

disclaimer wholeheartedly condemning atrocitied committed during world war ii. we are only interested in recreating his daily life, furthering our understanding of what it took to be a soldier, and at the same time, having fun reliving history. as austrian historian eleanor lapin writes, soldiers in the vikinging division were involved in the killing of hungarian jews. mr. iott confirming that he participated in the group under an alias, reinhard pferdmann, citing his deep love of history. "i've always been fascinated by the fact that here was a relatively small country that from a strictly military point of view accomplished incredible things. i mean, they took over most of europe and russia and it really took the combined effort of the free world to defeat them. from a purely historical military point of view, that's incredible." mr. iott's response was to note he's also played dress-up for the civil war and on the union side and world war i. and he dressed up like a war criminal for all the right reasons. it was, quote, a father/son bonding thing. mr. iott left the group in 2007

after his son lost interest in it. even the republicans are recoiling. he's now been scrubbed from the gop young guns website after it turned out he preferred old guns, you know, like lugers. only when pressed by debbie wasserman schultz did eric cantor address the issue. >> debbie, when launched into her attacks as to some of the reports about candidates that are running and particularly the one in ohio having to do with nazi reenactment, she knows that i would absolutely repudiate that and not support an individual -- >> well, you haven't. >> -- who would do something like that. >> you haven't. >> i'm doing it right here. i'm doing it right here, debbie. you know good and well i don't support anything like that. >> to that point, the iott spokesman, matthew parker, telling "the toledo blade" that the house minority whip is, quote, just one member of congress. and as for mr. iott? >> i think that representative

cantor did what so many career politicians do, as he reacted before he had all the facts. he didn't know the whole story. he didn't understand what historical reenacting is all about. >> time now to call in msnbc political analyst, pulitzer prize-winning columnist for "the washington post" and author of "disintegration: the splintering of black america," gene robinson, who will now join me for another edition of batting practice. >> good evening, keith. i feel so underdressed tonight. congratulations on your murrow. >> congratulate me on getting into this suit. mr. iott is playing the victim. and we get it by this point, tea partyers are never wrong, day do not know shame, and they certainly never know when to run. my semi rhetorical question to you is, why do they not know these things? >> keith, i have no idea. why do you not know that dressing up like a nazi and running through the woods and, you know, gambling and

de-frolicking and killing hungarian jews for pretend is not an an acceptable activity. it's not something we like to see in our members of congress. >> but, iott's right about one with thing, even though that sort of "they don't know the whole story" is bespeaking -- i was only taking orders from my overlord in recreation. he's right about one thing, cantor was just one congressman. republican jewish coalition came out alongside cantor in condemning this, but where's john boehner? where's joe lieberman? where's anybody of consequence on this? >> i have no idea. you would think that today there would have been a stream of denunciations and you wouldn't have been able to see around here for the dust kicked up by the feet of people running as fast as they can away from this guy.

i mean, this is -- you know, you don't just decide to dress up like a nazi on a whim. i mean, you kind of think about it, you know -- or do you? if you don't think about it, that's even, like, scarier? >> there is nobody locally from his side or nationally to stand up and say, even, "i don't have a problem with this," but realistically, there's a more of you in a nazi uniform. this will make it impossible for you to get elected. you have to come up with a much better apology, or you have to quit. is there nobody to say that? >> apparently not. apparently his spokesman isn't going to do it for him, so he's not getting terribly good advice there. unfortunately, as you noted, we're not hearing nearly enough from theoretically responsible officials who should have been making this loud and clear. i would have hoped to hear something a bit more clarion from representative cantor.

you know, "i'm against anything like that." well, you know, i'm really, really against anything like that. and question this guy and whether he's suitable for the office that he seeks. >> the real one, not in the dress-up -- >> yeah, the real one, not the -- i don't even want to think about whether he wants to be promoted to, you know, captaine or whatever. >> speaking of not hearing enough, there's a headline i saw today on a blog on "newsweek." the nazi sympathizer who isn't, ohio congressman rich iott is being attacked for wearing a nazi uniform, but shouldn't we be concerned about his views, not his attires. and it goes on to suggest this is just -- a lot of the mainstream media is treating them with kid gloves. any other time in our history, wouldn't the press, left, right,

and middle, just for the sake of the story, be screaming for the rooftops, hey, look, a lot of crazy people running for office? >> i would think so. you've got a witch, you've got a guy -- a raging homophobe. you've got a guy who dresses up like a nazi for fun. this is adding up to a pattern, and it's a pattern of lunacy and extremism, in my view, and i'm certain in not every single tea party candidate or a person who takes that identification across the whole great nation of ours is a loon, but some of them are and why don't we call them that? this is not mainstream behavior. and i don't think it should be acceptable behavior, frankly, for, you know -- there are history nerds and there are history nerds. >> lots of history. do something on the history of great boxers. you could have carl paladino starring in raging homophobe, like the phrase you used.

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suggested contribution of 100 bucks respectfully requested. so when you hear fox say they alone represent both sides on the issue, just remember, fox does show both sides -- republican and republicans pretending to be democrats. the silver, former rnc chairman, ed gillespie, part of this phony outrage pushback by karl rove and his fellow travelers about the fact that foreign money is going into the u.s. chamber of commerce to try to influence our midterms. >> "the washington post" and "the new york times" both completely refudiated this charge of foreign money being funneled through the chamber of commerce. >> first, who knows whether gillespie said refudiated to backfill to make sarah palin look less poorly spoken than she is or if it was a kind of joke or if he's poorly spoken too. but if he meant that "the post" and times had repudiated the charge that the coc is using money from bahrain and china and

buying ads with it, mr. gillespie is lying. both papers printed the chamber's loud and flimsy denials. "the post" noted, "the chamber still hasn't addressed in any detail the core allegation against it." mr. gillespie is, in short, a spokesman for the big businesses that are encouraging foreign companies and governments to put their money into our elections. mr. gillespie has no credibility. but our winner, mike rosen of "the denver post." in colorado, this rosen is still insisting we in new york city do not get to decide whether or not a muslim center in our state and city should be built. is that about not interfering in state/local decisions. fine, he's got a right to his opinion, wrong though he may be. he does not, however, have the right to this -- >> i think they should be allowed to build it, followed by the hijacking of an iranian plane right into that building and blow it to smithereens.

>> so he's just advocated for another terrorist attack on new york city, and he pretends to be an american? mike rosen of "the denver post," today's worst person in the world.

like much of life, it's both thrilling and extremely disconcerting. a car with no driver. supersensitive artificial intelligence, you can just sit back and text. our number one story, nobody remembers the old brenner movie where the machines started killing people, or the ones that kept blowing up.

the google car is here. one of them, appearing just over that mirror, it's the dark car with the thing on the roof. a laser range finder that spins and scans the terrain in all directions. the car also has radar sensors and a video camera plus artificial intelligence software to make split-second decisions, because there's nobody driving it. there is a human behind the wheel to take control whenever necessary. google revealed that it has been secretly test driving seven of these cars, six priuses and an audi fully loaded that driven 1,000 miles with no human intervention, 140 miles with only occasional human control. only one accident, when one of the google cars was rear-ended by one of those old-school rides, probably with a yahoo! user in the back. turns out that the google car was videotaped nearly a year ago on the 280 between san francisco and palo alto, but the videoing offer thought it had something to do with wind power. good guess, buster. but now comes the giddy confession from the official google blog, google cars have,

quote, driven down lombard street, san francisco, of course, across the golden gate bridge, navigated the pacific coast highway and even made it all the way around lake tahoe. the official statement include this casual reference to the authorities. quote, and we briefed local police on our work. let's get a briefing from a writer from tech crunch.com, m.g. seger. that's for your time tonight. >> thanks, keith.

wirelessly with some kind of central database, or is it self-contained? is all the information it needs in the car? >> google hasn't officially disclosed any of that, but they did say the key to all this is kind of using their servers, and i assume those aren't hidden in the trunk somewhere, so it's probably communicating wirelessly with this thing. >> and in a world where self-driving car might be mass produced, could this be as great as google makes it out to be? is there any driver in america who doesn't want to drive the car and experience the near-death thrill every three hours? >> google's kind of been playing this off saying, well, they can do little things like the cut the number of fatalities on the road in half and agrees energy consumption and save people like up to an hour a day for the average commuter. so, you know, they're playing

this -- they're playing this the right way. it can do all these great things. >> and how long is it supposed to be before every car on the road is one of these? >> well, you know, the estimates said some people are throwing out there now is like maybe eight years. the incredible thing that you talked about is that this thing has already been on the run, just unbeknownst to most people. pretty crazy. >> and on top of it, it has a fan like you see on top of any every new york city building in the city, anyway, but nobody noticed that thing before. "the times" said the cars can be programmed to mimic different driving personalities. you can be cautious or aggressive. do they have road rage and inattentive as well? >> yeah, i think so. i think one of them may be -- is a google car that checks its android phone while it's driving. that part of it kind of reminds me of "the matrix" where they made the perfect world at first and humans rejected it, because they didn't believe it could be true. so they need to make these cars crazy things so people can drive in the cities. >> and the google ceo recently said, it's a bug people invented before computers.

>> maybe the biggest problem this thing has is that there are already all these cars being driven by humans on the road, so it has to do things like, you know, take into account human error and things like that. if that wasn't the case, maybe this would be easier to implement. >> and google, google maps, google earth, google cars. our friend, mr. schmidt, is trying to take over the world, isn't he? >> just the other day they released google street view, one of their mapping things in antarctica. it's like the world is "risk" now and they've completely won. >> here's a penguin over here. mj sigler, the writer for techcrunch.com. that's october 11th, the 2,720th day since president bush declared mission accomplished i iraq and the 175th day of the deepwater horizon disaster in the gulf.