>> live picture. >> enough with the miners. >> donny, real quick you're covering a specific an told this story. >> yes. cover the angle of the miners -- >> you're the right man. hoda, thank you so much. stay tuned for "the daily rundown." it's the pictures we've been seeing all night after a suffocating two months the chilean miners are emerging from the ground. greeted by family, rescuers, a jubilant world. candidates spar in california in one final debate over jobs and taxes and that slur that was caught on tape. and a gruesome development in the investigation of that american reportedly murdered while jet skiing on a mexican

lake. unbelievable story there. it's wednesday, october 13, 2010. we'll start down in chile. we begin with those amazing rescues. crews have been pulling the men out one by one giving them their first taste of freedom in 69 days. 22 to go. kerry sanders has been watching it out. kerry, i'm sorry, you have to have no heart or not be a human being not to have tears well up in your eyes at each one of these greetings. it's unbelievable. such an emotional thing to watch. >> reporter: it is incredible. ten hours 40 minutes into this and it's working like a charm and everyone that comes up is treated like the first one emerging from that entombed environment that they lived in for 70 days. the first one was brought up

here shortly after midnight local time. as you said they are now in the process of going down to ged edison pena. it's taking a little bit more than an hour. the minister of the mines here tweet ad short time ago that it looks like they can pick the pace up to every 50 minutes which would bring the completion of bringing up all 33 miners into late thursday. today is a national holiday here. kids are all home from school, watching this. i think the most emotional outburst was when mario came up, the second miner making to it the surface. he was bursting with emotion. he hugged the president. he hugged the minister of mines and opened up a bag and gave them some rocks, those rocks that had kept them down below. then he went over and started hugging some of the workers who are, you know, a little bit more

in the background. then went to the microphones and said something interesting. he said, i met god, i met the devil, god won. really powerful words. and then he went on to say that this mine should not have been operating and he wanted people to know that the oversight here and the of safety that should have been in place was not in place, and clearly this nation as well as a good part of the world are now revisiting whether mine safety is adhered to and whether standards that government established is enforced. in this moment of joyous celebration as each miner comes up, it's a remarkable feat, because they survived 17 days down there when nobody was really sure other than their family members who had the faith and desire and belief that they were there. they survived on those what was two days worth of rations of

peaches and tuna, so each man took one, two spoonful as day and that was it. then they made contact. they started getting them food, started getting them contact and here we are, an american team drills through, gets the shaft and the men are being brought up. chuck? >> kerry sanders, really a global moment. it is one of those things that's when television is at its best. whi it's when the world can be at its best. we'll keep checking back on you and edison pena we expect any minute. turning to the latest round ever political debates. we begin in california where it didn't take long for two candidates for governor to go at it jerry brown once again apologizing for his staffer's crude remark about republican meg whitman caught on a voice mail after brown left a message but failed to hang up. >>it's now a famous part of this campaign in which somebody in your campaign referred to miss

whitman as a whore. >> this is a five-week-old, private conversation, picked up on a cell phone, with a garbled transmission. >> the fact that you are defending your campaign for a slur and, you know, a personal attack on me, i think it's not befitting of california or the office that you're running for. >> probably the most heated moment of that debate, kelly o'donnell is our capitol hill correspondent. that moment was the most uncomfortable moment to watch for brown folks and meg whitman taking a chance to give it to jerry brown. >> reporter: everybody knew it was coming. but a lot of substance, talking about the real crisis that

california is dealing with financially. they talked about the public pensions, and tax, and how they would operate differently as governor. so, for those who were tuning into substance and wanting to know how would these two people lead and how differently? here's a sense of how they define themselves. first brown then whitman. >> i've been in the kitchen, i've taken the heat, i know what is it to say yes and what is it to say no. she's been in the bleachers, looking at what's happening. >> my track record is creating jobs. my business is creating jobs. your business is politics. you have been doing this for 40 years. >> reporter: so even with the substance there was still a lot of jabbing, sarcasm, edge in their voice. the last debate in what has bean brutal race. jerry brown who has held almost every important job in california is leading. meg whitman talked about pouring $20 million of her own money

said she wouldn't be beholding to anybody. >> when you watch these debates f-you didn't have poll you see the aggressor and you realize that's the candidate and meg whitman was the aggressor. i have to go across the country. monday night is normally monday night raw but connecticut senate last night. where did they hold this debate init was wild. tell us about it. >> reporter: people who love politics, this one is worth watching online because everything from atmosphere to content was uproarous. the moderators at these debates tell the audience please don't react. here they were hissing and booing. moderator had to tell the people to be quiet. dick blumenthal was hitting her for her empire, the wrestling empire with a lot of criticism and she made it a matter of

character because of his misstatements about vietnam. it was brutal and it came down to those two ways they define themselves. >> my opponent has not only marketed sex and violence to children but she actually paid hundreds of millions of dollars to lobby in washington against penalties for sex and violence marketing to children. >> i guess it's just typical that you need to don't talk about wwwe because, clearly, you don't want to talk about job creation, talk about the economy. >> reporter: that gives you a sense of things and mcmahon's team has a brand new ad out where they have a series of veterans talking about dick blumenthal, the final character throw in this race. blumenthal is ahead in a state that's mostly democratic. this was tense, nasty and really quite something to watch beginning to end. >> frankly somewhat issue free.

it was a personal back and forth it sound like. kelly o'donnell in our washington newsroom, debate week. what a week for all of us in this business. thanks very much. we're a few minutes away from seeing edison pena come out of that mine. we'll take you there in a minute. but now to mexico. this discovery of a severed head left near an army base. it turns out it belongs to a police commander who had been investigating the shooting death of american david hartley two weeks ago. we go live to texas for the latest, bizarre and gruesome development here. do they think there's a connection? >> reporter: you know, chuck, there's another strange turn it seems every day. here is the official word from mexican authorities. this investigator's death, the lead investigator on the jet ski murder is in no way related to the investigation of the jet ski murder. i think a lot of people are

finding that hard to buy. this investigator who was decapitated, he was the one that released the names of the two suspects last weekend and you'll recall later higher ranking mexican officials said, no no, no we don't have any suspects whatsoever. this guy turns up dead and those higher level officials say it has nothing do with the investigation. the fact is he didn't come home after a day of searching falcon lake. the next day his head stuffed in a suitcase, left outside a military base. you would certainly think that is a message from the cartel, don't mess with us. but there's an official denial from the mexican officials that this is related to the jet ski case. meanwhile this poor girl is wondering if they will fine her husband's body. it doesn't seem likely from the sheriff at this point. >> it's a gruesome reminder of just what's going on in mexico right now with this drug war. let's check in with cnbc

becky quick, find out what will drive the markets when it opens in about 20 minutes. >> reporter: things are looking brighter today. you're watching those futures. the dow futures up by 55 points above fair value and tied back to some better than expected earns reports that's coming in. let's start off with jpmorgan. the company is the first of the big banks that are reporting and there's been a lot of concerns that some of these banks would come in than worse than expected. not the case with jpmorgan. it earned 11 cents better than what the street expected. becky quick from cnbc. now we take you back to chaerks the 12th miner is on his way up. as we speak in chile and joining us now, our chiefcy and health correspondent. he wrote about the successful rescue of nine miners in 2002. they were trapped for 22 hours in quecreek mine in pennsylvania.

let me tell you about the 12th miner, edison pena, 34 years old. i want to start with you, bob. the claps, he's coming up. he has some health problems, including hypertension, and diabetes. as somebody that is a diabetic, how was he able to survive out the things that he needs to -- whether insulin if he takes insulin, or monitoring your blood sugar which many diabetics have to do. how do you survive an ordeal like that? >> you can survive it if your diabetes isn't too bad and you don't need insulin constantly. he was only able to get it in the last few weeks. what we're shearing is a situation where the health of these men is far better than even a lot of people were imagining in the best case scenarios. they have an enormous amount of adrenaline flowing.

they have been looking forward this moment. there's minor skin infections and concern about post-traumatic stress. when we see the faces of these men, they are in good health. >> what did you learn from your reporting about the pennsylvania mine of the after effects? you know, it's one thing you do whatever you can to survive. but how is life like for some of these miners after they came up and as they sort of tried to put this ordeal in the rear view mirror? >> there's bean lot of talk last night and this morning about this rescue being a rebirth for some of these men and that's certainly true and that's a way a lot of them felt in pennsylvania. but, now, hardships that they dealt with underground, as heroic as they have been, is something they are used to dealing with. they are used to being underground and working in difficult situations. this passage into this media

spectacle and this new life is very difficult transition for them because it's nothing like what they have ever experienced before. you know, their lives are all about this brotherhood of being a miner and some miners are thinking what to do next. that's a difficult transition. they will be bombarded by offers for tv and movies and writers and all kinds of things. >> we're seeing edison pena. greeting workers, family members. he's 34 years old. he's not married. again, he had some hearing problems, suffered from hypertension and diabetes. but look, cameras showing he looks as healthy as key be considering that circumstance. each one of these moments is unbelievable. bob, you know at this point it's hard to imagine how many of these guys are going to want to

go back to doing this. you know, you hear about folks that have this go through a traumatic experience on their job, some want to go back and just keep doing it again and some don't. what is the challenge from a mental health perspective? >> i think the challenge is different for each one of them and as the other guest pointed out these guys are tough to start with. you don't become a miner if you're feint of heart to begin with. it's a tough job where the danger of death is constant wasn't you all the time. these people what they will do next in their life will depend on option. they won't get so much from book and movie deals where they will go off and become wealthy. they will have to make a choice where they go back down in the mine. some have the personality that's on the lip place where they feel comfortable. they will have difficulty reintegrating with their family after such a long option but those things have been dealt

with in other situations by people who were in captivity or people who work regularly on nuclear sub marines and gone for months. there's a lot of psychological experience with how to deal with these situations. what you learn from reading about it is everyone is different. people do respond differently. as you pointed out earlier in the show the toughest time had to be the first few wheex they didn't know the world knew they were there. after that it got easier. >> jeff, have you checked in with those pennsylvania miners in the last few weeks? >> no, i haven't in the last few weeks. i did check in with them in the years after the rescue, and actually wrote quite a bit about what their life was like and the kind of adjustments they had to make, and, you know, a lot of them are really suffering. they had post-traumatic stress syndrome, a couple of them did go back into the mines, you know. some of these guys really do love mining.

some people believe that this is a difficult job that nobody would want to do but, in fact, a lot of miners do love their work and it was a source of comfort to some of the pennsylvania miners to go back in. >> all right. thank you both. we'll keep checking ball club. edison pena, the 12th successful rescue, 12 for 12. it's the miracle in chile, the miracle in copiapo. unbelievable pictures. coming up the mid-term message war, the white house and democrats struggling to find a line of attack against republicans that reso napts with voters with three weeks to go. can they find one that sticks? judge with some on capitol hill calling for a nationwide freeze on home foreclosures we bring you and expert to tell you what that may mean. we're bringing you live coverage from chile as the rescue operations continue for the remaining trapped miners. stay with us you're watching the daily rundown only on msnbc. ♪

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as the rescue operation continues in chile we're going to turn to politics. so far it's been a work in progress. take a look. august through october. >> they don't have a single idea that's different from george bush's ideas. not one. i hope everybody has noticed when you want to go forward in your car what do you do? you put it in d. when you want to go backwards you put it in r. if we just stand back and allow the special interest silence anybody who has the guts to sand up to them, our country will be

a very different place. >> all right. well deedee myers knows something about this. republican mitt romney, first one was the president in august, second one was in october and then last tweaks the president last week here in october going after the issue of money. seems to me they are search forge a message that works at hitting at republicans. >>it's not a very good closing argument when eight weeks ago george bush was the problem and that's who everybody was supposed to be scared off and then john boehner and now karl rove and the chamber of commerce. the president doesn't have an economic message to close with the american public and that want is what's really driving the american people's anxiety.

it's that anxiety and anger they will take to the polls and reynoldser a judgme rendering a judgment. the odd thing about it too is this focus on the chamber of commerce, the chamber of commerce is an advocacy organization dedicated to grow the economy and create jobs and now the president is targeting it. that's a very conflicting message to offer in the last 20 days before an election. >> deeper story line the white house versus the chamber. this is an ongoing battle. deedee, the last three days karl rove and others have taken the bait. >> right. >> so if you're the white house and sit there and say look, acknowledge what he can inventory is saying, that's right, it's hard to run on this economy where ice a tough thing to do because of the timeline of the election, there's not a lot they can say so they are trying to basically start another fight. >> right. because the message, could it have been so much worse you have no idea. it's not a compelling message.

there's a thread that run through these messages. the over arching message is don't go back. they have not create ad broad enough frame. that connects to who are these people giving money? the foreign money, that's a red herring. knock that off. >> it's something covered and they are not even part of this. >> been obliterated by their allies at the "new york times." >> who are these people? the empire strikes back. they don't know who they are. the question the white house hasn't answered is why. the mysterious they if they are successful you no longer will not be guaranteed to lose your health care if your kid gets sick. they are not connecting it to people's lives. there's a good frame here and a good closing argument and not a

bad idea to get in a fight with karl rove. he's a boogieman for a lot of the democratic base. but that can't be the complete story. >> also, it runs counter to the president who wanted -- ran as a uniter and somebody who would change the status quo. secondly it's about the past. this election right now people are anxious about the future and not answering that anxiety. >> this week is also surrogate week. michelle obama hits the campaign trail. bill clinton has been very busy with harry reid last night. let's take a listen to what he said. >> then there's the argument about the deficit. i almost pierre luc gagnon every time i hear them how they want to balance the budget. they didn't give a rip about the deficit until we had a democratic president. >> you know, it's interesting, bill clinton was persona

nongrata in the '94 and 5e89 cycle. now it's easy to send him around and hard to send the current democratic president. as a republican when you see clinton out there do you get nervous. >> no. i'm still impressed by his communication and political skills. he's relishing the fact he gets to show president obama this is how it's done. but i also think it's a winning play to a certain extent because many democrats, many moderates and centrists they recognize bill clinton was the last american he democrat president who was known as a centrist and could play to the middle and did offer some level of economic prosperity. so that's powerful when you try to bring up that base. >> i want to sting with nevada. sharon angle raised $14 million. you sit there and go that had to just -- it blew me away. >> no question. the question that i think will be raised over and over how much

of that came outside of nevada. almost all of it. >> doesn't that show you power, the energy that's going on? >> two things. there's a lot of anxiety about harry reid. people want him wrong. sharon angle people in nevada are not paying much attention what she's saying. it's a scary thing. >> when democrats want local tailored elections it's nationalized. >> thank you both. 12 miners out. only 21 more to go. stay with us as we bring you live coverage of each and every rescue operation that is now under way in chile. first a quick look our washington speak, robo sign. that's when a document is signed without being reviewed in the ongoing foreclosure investigation. banks are accused of cutting corners. attention of thousands of foreclosure documents without reviewing them. it was a term called robo signing. we'll get into that actually coming up. if you have some washington

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quick look at what's driving the day. down in chile. the eyes of the world are on copiapo. right now as those trapped miners are being brought to the surface one by one. 12 of the 33 miners have reached freedom. we'll go live to chile in just a few minutes. the opening bell just rang. stock futures were higher this morning after jpmorgan chase reported than better expected third quarter profits. positive earnings from intel and

csx have also pushed futures higher. a make shakeup in education reform. we're expecting d.c.'s school chancellor michelle rhee to announce she's resigning at the end of the month. some believe it played a major part in mayor fenty's defeat. other story making headlines. in washington a federal judge ordered the military to stop enforcing their controversial don't ask don't tell.the u.s. department of justice attorneys are now have 60 days to appeal the ruling. talked to folks at the pentagon and they say this may be it they may be done. the obama administration is lifting the six month moratorium on deepwater oil drilling in the

gulf of mexico. s with imposed after the bp oil disaster that spilled millions of barrels of oil into the gulf. mexico is evacuating the yucatan peninsula of tourists and residents as hurricane paul jarpaula barrels to the coast. it's expected to brush by mexico today and to approach cuba tonight. now back to the amazing rescue under way in chile. crews have been working throughout night. they will work throughout the day and tonight as well pulling the men out one by one. giving them their first taste of freedom in more than two months. kerry sanders has been watching it all. he's outside of the san jose mine in chile. the rescue for the 13th miner is under way. so far, everything is going as planned. the inspections, medical teams, everything still in place? >> reporter: 11 hours, 16

minutes. it's working as they said it would. the promise of bringing these men to the surface is working with no hitches at all. 12 men up, the last one up was edison pena. carlos barrios is up next. the phoenix capsule, initially, was taking a little bit more than an hour for to it go up and down and now it appears that it's taking a little bit less time. the minister of mines has said on his tweet page it looks like it's doing about it 45, 50-minute round trip turns. i'll step out of the way here so you can see this. as we look at the pictures from down below and also up here, this is the -- this is the pride of chile right here. can you hear that? that's a thrill.

these men are part of a nation that is celebrating children today off from school. everybody's eyes fixated through the night on the developments that have taken place here. people over here clapping, thanking everybody who has spent time here, working to bring these men up. in excess of a million people -- in excess of a thousand engineers and others working to bring 33 men to the surface entombed 2,040 feet below. >> we have live pictures, of course, in the mine itself right now as we're awaiting the -- as you call it the phoenix 2 to make its way back down. the simultaneous pictures, the pride, the military march, cheering chaenting and singing. they are preparing to get the

phoenix 2 down. it looks like it's about to arrive down below. >> chuck, this is chile's moon landing. this is chile's moon landing. >> exactly what i was thinking. >> reporter: i feel like it. look at that. it feels like -- look, the fact that they can have that live picture from down there is stunning and it really explains the amount of technology that has been deployed here and so that phoenix capsule will be making its way back up to the surface soon and, you know, if you're looking at that picture and scratching your heads those guys don't have much clothes on it's quite warm. 80% humidity and the temperatures are in the 80s. it's when they get up here to the surface it's a little bit colder in the 30s last night. now that the sun is up we're in the 50s. >> there it goes. >> caller: it gets in the 80s here in the atacama desert. carlos barrios becomes the 13th

miner to now make that 14 to 16 minute trip to the surface here, carlos. >> all right. kerry sanders, we will check back in with you. obviously in a few minutes, about 15 minutes from now, the 13th miner will make its way up to freedom. thanks very much. the white house today is supporting a new joint investigation by 40 state attorneys general into home foreclosure fraud. the administration refuses to get behind calls for a national foreclosure moratorium citing fears it could slow down market recovery. we'll bring in a consume advocate for real estate, the research site and author of "rethink real estate dot com." there's not a national moratorium but there's plenty ever financial institutions that have a temporary moratorium in some states. walk us through that, please. >> absolutely. the only foreclosure freezes, so

to speak, that are currently in place are banks that have voluntarily elm posed on themselves. allied financial, gmac bank was the first to announce a freeze. they came to clarify. they are not freezing foreclosures. they have only frozen resales and evictions. jpmorgan chase has frozen 46,000 foreclosures in the same 23 seats but it looks like they are start to slowly expand that foreclosure freeze to sorry states. bank of america has frozen all foreclosures and evictions of foreclosured homeowners in 50 states. they haven't frozen resales although freddy and fancy have frozen b of a properties and we're starting to see smaller lenders implements freezes. >> let's talk about -- so if

there was -- politicians, three weeks from the campaign, we're hearing some populace politicians say let's put a freeze for everybody and understandable with the fear of this economy right now. but what are the unintended consequences of a full fledge freeze on foreclosures? what would that mean for the average homeowner? >> well, it really depends on the length of the freeze to be totally honest. the voluntary bank freezes the banks say they will take 30 days or less. if that's the kind of duration we're talk about not a huge impact noorngt with one exception. we're starting to see home buyers to buy bank owned properties because they aren't sure these sales will be reversed later on. that is an artifact of this we could see no matter how long these freezes last. if the freezes governmentally imposed very likely they would last longer than that which the administration is trying to avoid. that could delay a number of foreclosures that are

inevitable. most of these foreclosures will eventually happen and that will delay the recovery of the housing market. >> let's get consumer friendly. if you're in the mid. a purchase from a bank on a foreclosure, obviously the single most important thing to get is title insurance, correct? >> well, that's absolutely right. normally we tell buyers don't worry about this kind of thing that's what your title insurance policy is about. interestingly enough in the last sort of -- the last week three of the nation's largest title insurers have come out to say they won't write poilgs on a lot of these bank owned properties until they are satisfied that the foreclosures were processed correctly and handled correctly so i have a number of tips, pieces of advice. first off if you're in the market for one of these foreclosured or bang owned properties don't underestimate the value, the deal that you can get on an individually owned property. a lot of times you can get just as nice a property at just a good of a price. >> without dealing with a bank.

>> that's the thing if you're not buying from a bank. if you do get your heart set on a bank owned property and you're just not sure about what the risk to you is, is get the name of the bank that owns the property and the address to your title insurer as early as possible trains action. what you want to do is make sure you can get a title insurance policy before you start shelling out a whole lot of money for inschecktions and appraisals. if you're currently in contract on one of the homes affected by the freeze you've been notified that your sale will be suspended and escrow will be pushed out. >> thanks very much with those consumer tips there because this is a crazy time right now in the housing market, particularly if you're pabuying a bank owned property. what member of congress once operate ad 30 subway restaurants. the answer is louisiana congressman john fleming. he ran 30 subway shops as a

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livepictures in chile. 12 miners rescued. the 13th is on his way to the surface, as we speak. we expect him to come to freedom in a few minutes, probably five, six, seven minutes and the minute he does come up, we'll bring it to you live right here on msnbc. now decision 2010. just 20 days a s to go until election day and another new toy. the nbc outlook for the house. as you could see here, in a body where majority rules it all

comes down to the gavel. this is the four-year-old picture handle the gavel over in january 2010 to then the newly elected speaker of the house, nancy pelosi, as you can see there. by the way, four years, both look like it has been a long four years. here's where we stand right now. 255 republican seats and as you can see, this battle there, it is a battle, really, for 218. how do you geet the 218? let's take a look at various things. we have, of course, a field of 64. we think 64 most competitive races, most likely to flip. and we've broken down our field of 64, all at firstread.msnbc.com. in this list of 64, here's there are 30 democratic health seats that john mccain carried. you have 23 that we call pure

swing districts. these are ones that basically bush carried in 2004 and obama carried in 2008. . 23 of these 64 were elected in 2008 and probably among the first to go, 16 of them were elected in 2006, the sophomore, as we call them. 13 of those 64 voted against president obama on health care and, of course, we want to see, we're going to see on election day whether that voting against him somehow helped insulate them to this national environment we have been seeing in debate after debate after debate. that health care seems to be the one thing that drives this divide between democrats and republicans. more so than the economy. it is what we see come up the most. so, now, we want to take you to our house map here and focus on three states. actually, two states here. pennsylvania and iowa. couple things in common. they have governor races the top of the ticket where the republican is going to win by a fairly wide margin.

they are up already in double digits in both of those cases. what kind of trickle down effect is it going to have? we have already seen for instance in pennsylvania just this week that democrats had basically pulled out of the third district there. this is cathy dahlkemper. erie, pennsylvania, base district. at this point democrats have a feeling they will have a hard time holding this district. she only agreed to vote for health care when that abortion language was in there. pennsylvania, in general, is one of those places that republicans believe they have to pick up three, four, maybe five seats that democrats currently hold if they expect to get the majority. then, i want to focus on iowa and the reason is this. iowa is what i would call the wave state. in this state, three of the five congressional districts are held by democrats. and the one i want to focus on is the third congressional district. this is in the des moines area.

leonard boswell he has been an on again, off again target for republicans. he ranks, really, i think 64 on this list of field of 64. and republicans dirdant get the candidate they wanted out of the primary. brad zaun is not the candidate they wanted. a lot of outside money poured in here. this is what i say is a test of the wave. if boswell goes down on election night, he is not a majority maker, really a wave maker there. so, that is one way to look at the house, all of this is at firstread.msnbc.com. we have to stop there because let's go back to copiapo. carlos barrios made it up the elevator in the phoenix tube and he is about right now to get the greeting that 12 other miners have already gotten and each one just as special.

i want to bring in jeff goodell. he wrote about the pennsylvania miners that were trapped in 2002 for so long. this moment of relief, what can you tell us that moment that those men in pennsylvania had. the first moment when they realized they were no longer trapped. what did they tell you was going through their heads? >> just an incredible moment because these guys have been thinking about this, in this case, for 70 days. for 70 days they have been underground and planning what they're going to do when they get out. everything about their lives has been focused on this one moment. looking forward to seeing their families and thinking about the first meal that they want to have, their first, in the case of the pennsylvania miners, their first beer. all these things about how they're going to begin their

life again and many of them, i know in pennsylvania were making plans for the changes they wanted to make. this time under ground for a lot of these guys is a time to reflect. we've seen that for some of the miners that have come out talking about their spiritual crisis underground and it's a tremendously emotional moment for these men. >> jeff, i wanted to talk about that religious moment there. we had one of the miners after he came up he said, he felt like he saw both god and the devil down there and he saw that god won. that is a case where religion can just be so important at a moment like that because faith sometimes is all you have to cling to. >> yeah. i mean, i think that, you know, in the pennsylvania case, they really talked about this time under ground as testing their faith. and one of the pennsylvania miners had visions of a city and that they see visions of people they love and things and it

really, for men like this who are not used to taking time to think about their lives in this kind of way, having these, you know, days and days of time to reflect, i think, is quite profound. so, i think when these men come out and they start beginning their lives again, they're going to be different characters than they were when they went underground. >> quite the character test, jeff, thank you. you're looking at carlos barrios after his greeting. 27 years old. a part-time miner. it was the first day, of course, of his shift when he went down there. it's been a long shift, but i am sure he is certainly thrilled to be out of there. part-time miner carlos barrios. the 13th successful rescue. that's it for "daily rundown" and stay with msnbc throughout the day and night for this miracle in chile. coming up next, "chris jansing & company. " [ sighs ] ugh.

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