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cheers of elation, fist pumping, hugs and relief as those chilean miners are hoisted one by one to freedom. more than a billion people worldwide are watching the dramatic rescues unfold. we're live for each remarkable moment as they get their first glimpse of daylight in two months. a gruesome discovery in an american tourist allegedly killed by mexican pirates. now the commander investigating that case has been found decapitated. >> i almost gag every time i hear them talk about how they want to balance a budget and the democrats are big spenders. they didn't care about the deficit. that we had a democratic president. bill clinton letting it rip in las vegas. can the former president save harry reid's job? >> the fact that you are defending your campaign for a slur and, you know, a personal attack on me, i think it's not

befitting of california. >> and fight night in california. gubernatorial candidates megwhitman and jerry brown. joining the discussion phil brownstein, mining expert jeff goodell, and former fbi professor clint van zant. a busy morning it is. i'm chris jansing. this is "jansing & company." an emotional and extraordinary story continues to unfold in chile where 33 miners trapped half a mile underground for 2 two and a half months are being pulled from underground. 13 miners have emerged to fresh air and freedom.

it's a 16-minute nearly half mile journey up a mine that easily could have been the mine miners' tomb. this is the longest that anyone has been trapped underground and survived. nbc kerry sanders is live in chile for us as he has been all night long and, kerry, we've said it before, i'll say it again. no matter how many times we see these families reunite, it doesn't lose the thrill. tell us about the emotion that is still there and what we're looking at almost 12 hours after the first rescue. >> exactly. electric, thrilling. 13 up, 20 to go and it's working exactly as they said and the minister of the mines here lawrence golborne are picking up the pace. it is now looking like it's

going to be repeatedly under an hour, which means that we may see all of the 33 miners to the surface before the end of thursday, maybe even into the late evening of thursday. the celebration continue. children in school have the day off. this is a national holiday. a national day of celebration and a worldwide moment as all the eyes focus down in the mine as that capsule makes its way down. they're heading down now for number 14, victor zamora. >> have we heard anything since all these miners have been brought to triage and then to the hospital. have we gotten any official word on how they're doing because they look pretty good. >> they're looking good. i have to step away, chris, i'm so sorry, i'll be right back.

>> thank you very much, kerry sanders, who is doing multiple duty for us in chile. i want to bring in our company talk about this "rolling stone" contributing editor jeff goodell who wrote about the cuecreek mine of 2002. and dr. devamra is a professor of psychiatry with nyu medical center. thanks for all of you to be with us. jeff, i want to start with you because we mentioned the fact that there were never a rescue this deep and never miners buried this long come up. put it into some perspective for us. the technological marvel that had to come together over the last couple months to make this rescue possible? >> i'm sorry, chris, i was not able to hear your question. >> can you hear me now? >> i can't, i'm sorry.

>> he can't hear me. let me go over to professor and chairman of emergency department at vanderbilt. you heard me asking kerry how they're all doing. they came out of these capsules looking terrific and some of them burst out of the capsules but, obviously, there is concern they took them immediately to triage and once they get the initial once over they're taken by helicopter to a local hospital. what kind of things will doctors be looking for? >> they'll undergo a routine physical exam and get some blood chemistries. i, too, was struck by how well they look. this was a great example of team work from the miners below and the people above and then the people above working with experts, including nasa. >> do you imagine that they have a pretty extensive medical histories on all of them. some of them prior to this had diabetes or suffered from high blood pressure that they're giving particular attention to those who had pre-existing

conditions? >> oh, absolutely. and anyone who had an underlying condition will be, i'm sure, extensively evaluated for how that condition is doing and how they're doing. but i agree. they look good and, based on what they were doing below, i think this was to be hoped for and maybe even expected. >> dr. barma, there's two, obviously, sides to this. one is the physical side of it. the other is the emotional. right now they all seem to be on a high. i mean, they are hugging, obviously, seeing their family members for the first time in 70 days and they're getting a taste of freedom. they know that they're in the international spotlight, a lot of attention. they're being called heroes. is there an upside, as well as a downside to that? >> absolutely. it's very common for people who are just escaping from a life-threatening situation to have a sense of xaulgz and that they have almost cheated death. we see that in time the groups

of people who may not have a social support or spiritual faith or grounding and who don't have a very resilient or optimistic outlook and who do not cope very well or have a sense of humor. these people may be more vulnerable to developing post-traumatic stress disorder. and what's interesting is it's not enough. most of us will experience a lif life-threatening situation in our life. 50% of us will face death at some point, however, only 8% of people go on to develop post-traumatic stress disorder and medical support and social support can prevent that from happening. >> they are getting support from their friends and family and have a plan to stay with them long term. jeff, i want to come back to you. we're able to fix your audio problem and i wunt m asking you to put into perspective, if you will, the accomplishment that

this is to get this rescue not just up and running, but seems to be going flawlessly so far. >> it really is. it's remarkable how smooth this whole operation is going. you can see from every detail they thought everything through. they had 70 days to consider how they're going to get these guys out of the ground, but it's still really remarkable given that you had to drill, you know, 2,000 feet through some of the toughest rock on the planet. you know, you had to keep these men in good, stable condition physically and mentally. this whole thing is really just a remarkable performance. >> all right, thanks to ask you, jeff, thanks to you, as well. we want to remind you that we're waiting for the 14th miner now, that will be the next rescue. victor zamora and we'll sohe'll

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they have been chanting, they have been cheering all night long. just a short time ago, the 13th of 33 trapped chilean miners was removed from his underground prison half a mile below the surface. the 14th miner will be on his way up very soon. they are picking up the pace of these rescues. we have been seeing scenes like this, dramatic, triumphant scenes unfolding for more than ten hours now as the 69-ordeal

now into its 70th day is finally coming to a close. we'll continue to watch and have every single rescue for you live right here. there's an argument to be made that as heartwarming as these rescues are american discourse is disheartening. last night contentious in debates all around the country and for political fireworks, you can't beat the california governor's race. hovering around 12%. my colleague richard lui joins me now and you spent the night looking at all these debates, that's just one of them. >> three key battles that we're watching on tuesday's fight night. connecticut senate battle there where the two candidates went at each other. talk about democrat richard blumenthal who mentioned linda mcmahon as making her wrestlers

sign death clauses that limited the company's liability if they die in the ring. mcmahon responded to that saying, hey, wrestlers were totally covered for any injury. but there was more. >> my opponent has not only marketed sex and violence to children, but she actually paid hundreds of millions of dollars to lobby in washington against penalties for sex and violence marketing to children. >> i guess it's just typical that you need to continue to talk about wwe because, clearly, you don't want to talk about job creation, talk about the economy. >> and, also, one of the issues that they were debating is the use of vietnam. as blumenthal mentioned he served in vietnam later explained what he meant. later said unintentional and meant to describe his service as during vietnam.

that is one announcement brought up at the end of that debate. mcmahon is out with a new ad this morning attacking his vietnam comment. now, the senate debate in ohio was like a morning brunch, shall we say, compared to what is happening in connecticut. that may not help lee fisher. republican candidate rob portman has outspent fisher by 7-1, according to the "columbus dispatch." both candidates accuse the other of causing state jobs problems and interestingly here, chris, they did not get personal. let's go to the big showdown you were talking about. where candidates broke out the tough rhetoric there. it came down to a campaign aide caught on tape using a sexist slur. by now everyone knows the word to describe whitman. take a listen. >> we heard no outrage from you about the use of that kind of language, which to many women is calling an african-american the

n-word. have you been in chanchrge of t investigation. >> i don't agree with that comparison and, number two, this is a five-week-old private conversation picked up on a cell phone with a garbled transmission. very hard to detect who it is. this is not, i don't want to get into the term and how it's used. but i will say the campaign apologized promptly and i affirm that apology tonight. >> i think every californian and especially women know exactly what's going on here and that is a deeply offensive term to women. >> what happened in the california debate there and recent polls having whitman trailing brown in double digits. but the surveys were done before the debate there. >> yeah, all right, thanks so much, richard. i want to have more of a conversation about what happened in california. phil bronsteaw brownstein is ed large and robert trainm joins

us, as well and alicia menendez joins us here in studio. phil, let me start with you. you served most of your professional life in california when you weren't reporting abroad. let me have you give us big picture perspective on this race. with all the back and forth about the slur and what is your sense of it? i mean, all the important issues in a state. a $19 billion plus budget deficit and 12.4% unemployment rate as of august. are these other issues going to play into who wins, who loses? >> you know what, chris, i think those are the issues that will play into who wins and who loses because the voters, despite the politicians not giving them much credit in their performance like the debate last night, the voters care about those issues. jobs were discussed a lot more last night. i was at the debate and pretty interesting. the pyrotechnics were interesting but i'm not sure they were relevant to what people are going to care about which is jobs, the economy, the

budget deficit and i think that what was interesting, however, since you played that one little snippet was that jerry brown came back and said that pete wilson, the campaign manager, former governor campaign manager from ms. whitman used the same word in describing all legislatures and meg whitman said, that's different. that got a lot of boos. again, i think these are the pyrotechnics and the race is a fascinating race because you have someone that comes from a very unorthodox background, politically meg whitman who says she'll bring a business sensibility and jerry brown who is a life-long politician. we have to remember, however, that arnold schwarzenegger brought a very different perspective and very persuasive and skilled politician, as well. he was unable to deal with california during his term. tom brokaw who was the modrairt wh before the debate was on tv was telling the audience he was in a

cast. he had an accident. this is like a metaphor for california, i'm broken now. unlike california, i'll be fixed by the first of the year. >> thomas, clever. we will say that. i want to play more of the debate because there was talk about jobs, the issue and the contrast. such a clear contrast between these two candidates. jerry brown, who seems to have held every elected office there is possibly to hold in california, meg whitman, of course, coming from a ceo's background. let me play a few little clips from that debate. >> down when i was governor $4 billion and jobs were 4.9 million and regulations, i have been in state government in sacramento as governor for 28 years. there have been three republicans and one governor. so, if there are more regulation, which there are, you can call those people to account. >> let me move on to another subject, if i can. >> i have to answer that, if that's all right. >> that's okay. >> what you just heard is a classic politician answer. it's a half answer and,

therefore, a dishonest answer. >> i've been in the kitchen. i've taken the heat. i know what it is to say yes and what it is to say no. she's been in the bleachers looking from the internet company at what's hap pening in government. >> my business is creating jobs, your business is politics. you've been doing this for 40 years. >> here's the interesting thing, in this state where this has been covered nonstop, people are really concerned there. i just moved back from california. the state of the economy is so desperate and yet one in five voters by some polls is undecided. so, this race really is up for grabs. did you see anything last night that was a game changer? >> i don't think we saw anything last night that was a game changer. i thought what was disappointing about last night we saw more of the same. more of the bickering and more of the back and forth and not enough policy. i think, you know, that voters in california do want to see more of that. the one thing that, you know, we didn't see tackled last night that i would have liked to have

seen tackled is more about meg whitman's flip-flops on immigration. you know, this housekeeper bit has gotten a lot of attention, but even prior to that, there were big questions about what she has said during her primary and what she has said during this general which would be important to latino voters who represented 21% of the turnout in 2008 in california. so, i'm a little surprised that that did not play a bigger role in last night's debate. >> what was your take on this, robert? obviously, this debate really was all over the place. touching on everything from jobs and unemployment to nannygate to this slur, as we are calling it. what's your take? did anybody gain any traction last night? >> no, not really. you know, chris, this race really is about the pasts the future. i mean that in a positive light meaning about the past. jerry brown an elected official in california for 40 years and he brings experience and brings tenacity and clearly brings a

name brand, if you will, to the california race. obviously, the future is about meg whitman in terms of a breath of fresh air and someone that is not a career politician. what this really boils down to is whether or not the california voter wants to go back to a brown administration or move forward and i don't mean that in a negative way or positive way in terms of meg whitman. the real issue is that the person out there living paycheck to paycheck and learning english for the first time and struggling to put food on the table or pay their rent and their mortgage whether or not they got their answers, the questions answered to their very pressing economic issues and the answer is no. this is, again, really about the folks out there that are scratching their heads and saying there is no one in sacramento and no one in washington looking out for me. a common theme that not only we hear in washington, but literally across the country. >> phil, we only have a couple seconds left. do you think this move the debate forward at all voters got some real help last night? >> the short answer is no.

>> well, that's disheartening, isn't it? >> i mean, california is dysfunctional. it's a dysfunctional government and there's nothing last night that suggested that either of those candidates will make it less dysfunctional. nothing specific. >> phil bronstein, by the way host of "roll call" tv, thanks to all of you. switching gears to a mystery we have been following from the mexican border. a gruesome turn in the case. the lead investigator has been found beheaded. and we'll head back live to chile where we're awaiting the rescue of the next miner. been an incredible scene there all night long and we'll have it for you live. time for the your business entrepreneur of the week. ron owns the 137-year-old stokes farm in new jersey. he's benefitting from the new customer emphasis on buying

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up from his home for the last 70 days. his name is victor zamora and he is 33 years old. we see his wife and little boy who are anxiously awaiting his arrival. he had been a rural worker before he started to work in the mine. we know a number of the miners down there had been agricultural workers, farmers. but now he is going to be the latest one to come up to what will be cheers and all the excitement that has been going on there. it has been a remarkable, almost 12 hours now since the rescue of that first miner. and we have really seen the emotion bubbling to the surface, almost every single hour. there was just a joint press conference by the chilean president and also vava morales who is the president of bolivia. there is one miner who is from

there and they have become sort of, sort of close in these last two and a half months. evo morales calling what has happened over the past half day incredible but true really addressing the fact that this seemed like such insurmountable odds. first for 17 days not knowing whether or not these miners have even survived this collapse. imagine $700 million tons of rock that collapsed into that mine space and also comments from the chilean president about just how emotional this has all been and when you see him come up, one of the things you'll notice is that he will be wearing sunglasses. first of all, it's hot down there. we've seen many of the miners going around in their boxer shorts because it was 90 degrees. it was pretty cold outside and in the 40s or even down near

freezing last night and the son, of course, they're not used to this bright sunlight and doctors are saying it may take a couple days for them to adjust to that. there is also, obviously -- here comes the phoenix capsule. you can see the rescue workers there now bringing it to the surface. making sure those last, actually, these last minutes are the easiest because that metal tube that you see coming out of the earth is actually only towards the top of the mine. the rest of it is just rock and there is actually a camera inside and a light. so those miners as they're making the assecent can actuall see the formations and when they get inside the steel tube a little bit of an easier ride for them. that is more like an elevator shaft, straight up and down. some twists and turns and curves. actually, they will turn about

ten times on the way up, but here he comes. victor zamora, 33 years old.

>> and victor zamora's son being liflted up there and his wife, very emotional. the first time she has seen her husband in 70 days.

>> while the family members have said throughout they never lost faith, they never lost hope. you have to imagine there were some dark moments especially in the first 17 days when we didn't know if these miners were dead or alive and we didn't know if they had survived that horrific collapse inside that mine. so, this moment extraordinary by any measure against the backdrop of that is really something to see. and thanking, there are more than 1,000 people who have been involved in this rescue. and that cheer that we've heard so often now over the last half day. and this has become a point of national pride and national unity of bringing together.

you also wonder what's going through the mind of that little boy, arturo, as he sees his dad for the first time. it's kind of hard for them to comprehend exactly what's going on. there has been, successfully, the 14g9 miner pulled from that chilean mine. 19 more to go. but so far not so much as a hiccup. dr. barma has been with us and as you watch that scene unfold, what goes through your mind in terms of the family dynamic and what they're facing? >> it's such a sense of relief that the families are being reunited. >> don't you just sort of breathe a sigh of relief with them. >> yes, thank god. i am just keeping my fingers crossed that it continues to go so well because it will really make a difference when you have a situation like this, the outcome. even if one person is injured or harm, it does impact the mental health of everybody in the crew involved. at this point, everybody is looking at this as a unified effort and i think one of the wives have said, it's not enough

just for my husband to come out, really, we're all in this together. everybody has to come out alive. i think that's why there is still tension and everybody is walking on pins and needles there and we're all keeping our fingers crossed because we want to keep the hopeful feeling continues. >> kerry sanders is back with us now, who has been on this scene throughout. are there more hugs and smiles and congratulations and thank yous that are going back and forth and, kerry, what do we know about how the previous 13 are doing? have we gotten any medical reports? >> yes, we have. they have wanted one thing and the the most important thing that they have wanted is after they make it out, see their families, hug, thank the engineers and make their way into the triage, they're pushing their way past the doctors and, instead, making their way to a hot shower. wouldn't you know, after 70 days, that's exactly what they want, they need to give them that refreshed feel. i have to tell you, watching

them come up, they really do look refreshed, which is stunning. we're at, let's see, 12:15, we have 14 up, 19 down. the pace is moving along very quickly. more than, now than under an hour. started out it was taking about an hour. this is the newspaper here and it says, "chile shows the world with the success of the biggest rescue in the history of miners." and there is mario sepulveda who is number two that came up and, well, i want to take you back in the moment, if we can here. just for a look back so you can kind of get the sense, not that any of the emotion has changed. everyone who is coming up is being cheered in this country. but let's take youback just to number one and number two for a moment. so you can see that moment that happened overnight. >> there we go.

bravo, success. he made it to the surface. >> you can see, he wants to give everyone due credit because this is a team effort. the rescue teams have not slept, as well. and everyone here -- he's a ham. look at him! >> i told you, he's a great communicator. >> super mario as he is now known who said that he met god, he met the devil and god won. wow. >> i love that quote. what are we hearing about what faces them, kerry? when will they essentially be able to see some of their families? i know one of the moms says he's

planning a party for her son and invited 500 of his closest friends. how long are they likely to stay in hospital? how long are they likely to rest and recuperate before having to face the world? >> well, the plan is 48 hours at the hospital and part of that is simply because they want to monitor their eyesight and make sure no one takes their glasses off too early. they put special film over the windows, 70 days down in the dim darkness of the mine does affect the eyes. so, they want to take some time and make sure that these guys physically aclment. the meantm acclimation will take some time. i know when all 33 are up, all 33 have 2,000 journalists here, me included, that want to sit down and talk to them about their experience. and get a sense of how they feel to have conqured the impossible

and having survived. so, i think they're in for reporters, producers from movies who have gathered out here in the desert and authors of books and, of course, you have the entire nation of chile that wants to wrap their arms around these guys. tell them congratulations, you represent our country. thank you. you're all heroes. >> no kidding. thank you so much, kerry, again, for all your reporting. i want to bring in our expert howard bragman who is founder of "15 minutes" public relations. kerry mentioned super mario who was the second guy that came out and mr. personality, but all of them have remarkable stories to tell. 1 billion people watched that first miner being recuscued. what are the possibilities for those who want to turn their so-called 15 minutes of fame into something more? >> well, i think there's a lot of possibilities.

as you guys have mentioned, there is a lot of producers hanging around looking to get television rights for it. there's going to be the first interviews with the miners. so, everything that every instant star ever gets in america we'll see played out on a worldwide screen. the challenges, chris, are that there are 33 of them. how do the rights work? you know, people when they sell their life rights to a tv movie don't necessarily make as much money as they imagine. you split it 33 ways and nobody is going to get rich on this situation, but compared to what things cost in chile. it's probably a couple years pay they could make out of this. a lot of it goes to the heart of what each person wants. do they want to go back to the mines or live a different life after this experience. >> i was surprised. i saw some of the estimates and these were in the british newspapers, but they were talking about potentially $100,000. again, as you say, divided 33

ways. it's really not life-changing for men who make between, even for men who make between $8,000 and $18,000 a year in the mines. does that number sound low to you? >> it doesn't. i mean, people always think that if somebody gets famous that they make millions of dollars and that's not necessarily the equation, as a lot of people know, i'm working with stephen slater, the jetblue flight attendant and there are offers and things that are discussed, but he's not going to walk away from this situation, you know, a millionaire. and i think people have sort of inflated views. and add to the fact this that in america where the biggest market is for this kind of enterta entertainment and where the biggest bumgts are and biggest checkbooks are. you can't even get this country to watch movies with subtitles, okay. unless these guys speak really good english, i think some of their appeal is going to be

limited. you're not going to see the morning shows, necessarily, fighting for the first interview the way they would have with the captain sullenberger, for example, where there's one situation, one clear hero. there's 33 heroes here today. >> homer i want to bring in, as well, author of "october boys" which was made into the movie "october sky." worked in mines before becoming an engineer. homer one thing that strikes me about all of this is that this really has brought the world together, even if just for a moment overnight when everyone was watching and cheering. at a time when worldwide there is so much negative feeling about what's going on with the economy, what's going on with politics. everybody could cheer these moments, these families being reunited and kerry mentioned that this really is a case of conquering the impossible. since your dad back in 1951

invented that capsule that with some revisions is the one that is going up and down for this rescue. put in perspective what it means to have conquered the impossible? i mean, people would not have been shocked, would they have, necessarily, if this had not been as successful as it seems to be. >> well, in terms of perspective, i mean, this is a lot like a nasa mission. everything has been planned out, programmed down practically to the last minute and it's very, very impressive. the chilean government and company and all of their advisors have pulled off here. what i've seen throughout the night is just following a choreography and following a timeline and they're just hitting right on it. this is pretty marvelous and i think it does show by the health of these men, it does show almost very careful thought

process, sequential thinking that the mining company and the country of chile itself has pulled off here. so, this is a true miracle to me. >> yeah, it is, indeed. these are some true heroes. not just the men who come up from the mines, but the people who have worked tirelessly to make sure they get to safety. so, 14 of them have been rescued. 19 more yet waiting below. along with the medical workers who went down and every time we see one of these rescues, we will bring it to you live here on msnbc. homer, thanks to you. howard bragman, thanks to all of you. well, there's no question that michelle obama brings star power to the campaign trail. in three minutes, will her high-priced fund-raising stops win over voters? ♪

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michelle rhee. drew acclaim for her d.c. area schools and also became a central issue in an election. she is announcing her resignation, let's listen. >> for the better part of my professional career and i can tell you that she is an absolutely unbelievable candidate and i have the utmost of confidence in her ability to lead this effort moving forward. i also have a high degree of confidence in my team. they are the most talented and dedicated team of any school district in the nation and they will continue to focus on creating a world class educational system for our children. i've put my blood, sweat and tyrannize to the children of the district of columbia for 33 years and i have completeply

enjoyed every minute of it. i am honored and humbled to have the opportunity to serve the very young, deserved people of this city. the idea of not being in this role any more is heartbreaking, to put it mildly. i do know it is the right thing for the school system and the right thing, most importantly, for the children of d.c. >> this is an emotional michelle rhee who announces her resignation. a lot of people who thought and hoped because of the accomplishment, certainly with test scores, some very tangible results from her sweeping reforms, including some fights with the union and getting rid of some teachers that she said were underperforming, that they'd be able to at least keep her here through the school year. they thought many of her supporters that that would be in the best interest of the kids, but one of the her deputies is taking over. most of the people who worked under her will stay, but this is, obviously, going to be a controversial situation in washington, d.c., as well as the fact that a lot of people will

be watching to see what michelle rhee will be doing next. she is definitely a force to be wre reckon with. authorities are investigating a suspicious device and a suspicious package found early today at a nuclear plant west of phoenix. the sheriff department there says security officers at the palo verde nuclear generating station called them just after 5 5:00 this morning and they got a second call about a suspicious package. the area has been evacuated. they are investigating. the bomb squad is there. there is no information about what they may have found, just that this is something suspicious. we will keep you posted on what's happening there. back to politics now and democrats are calling on two of the biggest stars in the party to hit the campaign trail. first lady michelle obama and former president bill clinton and the first lady hits the campaign trail with a purpose. hitting two key states to give five democratic candidates a boost before november 2nd.

meantime, bill clinton is hitting a number of states, as well. but he has been out there for a while. alicia menendez joins us and phil brownstein is back with us, as well. a lot of debate about the effectiveness in terms of getting the vote out of surrogates. we know that they're raising money and raising a lot of money. do you think they can make a difference in terms of getting out of the vote? >> i think, first of all, in terms of michelle obama that we've already learned that she's a charismatic, bright, interesting person. we learned that right before president obama took office. the problem is that spouses in this case, male or female, they kind of reinforce the office holder and, in this case, i think when you've got president obama's numbers going down what michelle obama's presence on the campaign trail might reflect is how weak the president may be at the moment. i mean, the question came up in

the california gubernatorial debate last night, do you want president obama out here campaigning for it. just the fact that that question was asked tells you a lot about what happened to the fading star power of president obama. i'm not sure as charismatic as michelle obama is going to make that big of a difference. in terms of bill clinton, you've seen it over the years. he is a popular guy. >> he's, at least in our polls, he's the most popular politician in america right now. his aprivproval ratings are way again. >> but, chris, he's not on the ballot anywhere. i think that people like to be around him. he's extraordinarily charismatic in a room. there's no one better than he is. whether that will translate to election day and getting people out to the polls is a different story. he's trying to reenergize the democratic party. he's certainly reenergizing himself. >> no doubt about that. but what do you think about

that? do you think either of them in getting out there and really delivering this message because there has been so much talk about the enthusiasm gap and reinforcing the message that we need you to get out there and we need those of you, especially those who voted for us in '08 to go out again this november, is it going to work? >> i think it absolutely will work. i think specifically -- >> wishful thinking? >> no, i think with michelle obama she speaks to a unique audience. she speaks to married women and because of the unique way she approaches her role she speaks to unmarried women. that represents a large chunk of the democratic base that could fall off during a mid-term that needs to be reenergized. if they go to the polls will likely vote democratic. the target audience she's aiming for is critical to democrats' success in november. i also think she's a great messenger. >> bill clinton, does he help at all? they've been doing him in a very targeted way across, i don't even know how many states. at least a dozen states now. >> democrats recognize that they

have a problem with white, middle class voters. he is a very good surrogate to that constituency and as we talk more and more about the bush tax cuts and about prosperity in america, he is a wonderful person to be bringing out as the face of the democratic party to be talking about what the economy can look like under democrats. what democrats' economic plans have succeeded at doing in the past and to talk a lot about the future. >> all right, always good to see you, alicia. thank you for coming in and being with us. phil brownstein, it has been a while, thanks so much. >> thank you, chris. speaking of star power, george clooney joins andrea mitchell live this afternoon to talk about his awareness of the situation in sedan. how did she get that interview?

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with the whole world watching, rescuers are bringing those chilean miners one by one to the surface for their first taste of freedom after 70 kdays trapped underground. we are live with each miraculous rescue at the scene that has been called camp hope. a horrifying discovery as authorities search for an american allegedly murdered by mexican pirates. now the commander in the case is dead. the victim of a brutal drug-cartel style killing. al qaeda steps up its recruiting, publishing a how to kill american's guide in english. is al qaeda growing stronger despite billions spent fighting the war on terror? and the great moment that could be straight out of the tv show. an arkansas high school senior confined to a wheelchair gets to live out his football dreams. good morning, i'm chris jansing. this is "jansing & company." joe cline who