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but my allergies put me in a fog. so now, i'm claritin clear! claritin works great on all my allergies like dust, mold, pollen, or pets without making me drowsy, cause i want to be alert around this big guy. live claritin clear. indoors and out. good wednesday, everybody. i'm contessa brewer covering the big news coast to coast and there's no bigger story than the rescue of the chilean miners. we are almost halfway through the process. after some 69 days buried in the belly of a mountain. the live pictures we have seen, captivating. we are watching for the 17th miner to emerge. for 13 hours or so, hour by hour, each man stepped into the capsule. half a mile into the center of the earth and taken the
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15-minute ride to the surface. met with cheers. many tears. and bear hugs. the first miner to emerge was florencia avalos. and then the second miner out, mario sepulveda got the crowd charged up and chanting. [ chanting ] and just minutes ago, of course, muner in 16 daniel herrera emerging from the mine. kerry sanders is live outside the mine in copiapo, chile, now. set scene as you have watched this unfold, kerry. >> reporter: electric and remains that way. we are basically at the halfway
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point. we have 16 up, 17 down. up next is omar ryegadas, 56 years old. the capsule, the escape capsule, the fenix 2 is operating as intended. it started out that it was taking slightly more than an hour and thought it would extend into tomorrow night. now the pace, the tempo picked up. the rescues are happening that much faster. spokesman from the government just stopped by and said that in calculations that they're putting together right now, all 33 may be out of the mine by around midnight, 1:00 tonight. that will be fabulous. and right now, nobody is getting overconfident but they're certainly enjoying the repetitive nature of every one of these rescues and every one of those smiling faces and every
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one of those moments as these men after 70 days down under inside are making their way to the surface here, contessa. >> have there been any hitches at snaul i know there were concerns of how smoothly it might go. any problems? >> reporter: the only hitch was at the very beginning when they had a stuck door on the fenix. they changed the wheels out on the side. it has the wheels on shock absorbers. they intended to change them. they did it. it took longer. the door was stuck. they fixed that and running smoothly. the monitoring systems are working. the cameras are working. the medical readouts of each miner being brought up is working. everything is operating as intended. >> speaking of medical readouts, have you gotten any word of the medical condition of the 16 miners now on the surface?
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>> reporter: those that have been brought up as you see are wearing sunglasses to shield them from the bright sun because they have been down there in the dimly-lit mine. the medical response from the minister is that all seem to be healthy. that even those that have hypertension or have heart conditions or diabetes are showing up here in ways that give them some confidence that they're not going to have an immediate problem with deal as they arrive and being taken over to the hospital. they make it to the surface. they greet their family. the president has been here. the president pi ne pinero said they'll make it up. eva morales, the president of bolivia came and joined the one miner who is from bolivia. carlos mamani, who could have a
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house in chile if he wanted it. i guess he feels at one with the people here and who wouldn't after being trapped in a brotherhood they have developed down below? >> you are teep keeping tabs on the 17th miner to come to the surface. thank you very much for the help. >> i wanted to mention we have heard from robert gibbs at the white house that the president may call the president of chile to talk about this situation and he may speak about the situation hearing from him in the rose garden later this afternoon so we'll be watching for that. david lariskey is founder of safety solutions international and former assistance secretary of labor for mine safety an enhealth. how would you characterize the more than two months we have spent watching this situation? when it comes to the fact they survived the mine fall-in and now they are being rescued.
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>> well, certainly, there's uncertain. there's a lot of emotions. i'm certain for the families, maybe more so than the miners, but also an incredible effort on the miners' parts to do what they needed to do to keep their hopes alive and do the things necessary to advance this rescue. and an incredible effort by chile and the engineers and the drillers and everyone that's had their hand in this rescue effort. it's been remarkable to watch. it's obviously very emotion-filled. a lot of adrenaline flowing right now and a lot of anxiety still present. >> david, does this situation do anything to advance the knowledge that we have about mine safety globally? >> oh, i definitely think so. i mean, from every unfortunate occurrence we have, we must learn from that. that's how we get to where we are today in my view.
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we've had a lot of unfortunate occurrences. we have taken the effort and the time necessary to understand why these things happen, how they happen and what we can do to prevent a recurrence of the situations. mine safety professionals spend their careers doing this sort of thing and while they're very unfortunate events, if we don't take the opportunity to learn from them, i would probably just say shame on us. >> and we've heard at the mine will have to be closed down. why is that? is it just that the ground itself is too unstable? why would they need to shut it down from here on out? >> well, i mean, i can't speak for why that decision was made. i would assume that they want the mine to stay shut down if there's any intention of reopening it until the conditions are made safe underground to allow people to work. but i don't know what the decisions were regarding why they want the mine shut down. >> david, thank you for sticking
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with us as we watch this process unfold. many times the pictures are live for us and watching the reunions happening and of course the rescue itself and being very careful about and methodical and bringing the miners up. i want to talk about the medical impact here. assistant professor of critical care at the university of miami, dr. shivazan, the miners going to triage and then the hospital for evaluation. what specifically are doctors looking for? >> well, initially, for the triage part, we want to make sure that they're breathing okay, their blood pressure is fine and they have no chest pain and that's done immediately at the scene. once in the hospital, they can spend sometime to really do a good physical exam and evaluate, make sure the lungs are not affected by the two months down there. some of these miners as we know have lung problems, scarring of
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the lungs and could have made things worse with the exposure. looking at what we're getting in terms of reports and the way the miners coming up, a lot of them seem to be in relatively good health considering what they have gone through. that's a testament i think both to the resilience of the human body and spirit and to the extraordinary planning that was done in the past two months trying to keep them as healthy as possible, both emotionally and physically. >> remember all of their nutrition, the liquids, the medicine, everything that they were consuming had to fit through a basically a small tube the width of an orange. the diameter really not much bigger than fist. you know, doctor, i got a letter from a deepsea diver asking about the bends. as divers know, coming back up to the surface of the water, you have to go very slowly and
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decompress so to speak s. th. is that a concern here coming from the mine to the surface? >> that was i think a concern they thought about and certainly, you know, people from nasa were involved here. i think, you know, as we have witnessed, it's not that much of a concern. the good news is they were at sea level to begin with and so they're although coming from deep down, the bends hasn't been that much of an issue or nor should it at all in terms of the reports. they have planned for it in the beginning anyway in terms 0 of trying to have a much slower ascent and giving them oxygen. oxygen was made available, as well. so i think it was a minor concern but it's not panned out to be much of a concern which is very good news. >> doctor, i know you're sticking with us as we watch the rescue process unfold. i thank you for your presence here today. my big question today, what will be the biggest adjustment for the miners? i'll talk to a psychiatrist coming up in the next half hour
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and like to hear your thoughts. get me on twitter, facebook and e-mail. again, we are keeping our eye on the situation. stay with msnbc for continuing coverage of the rescue of the miners much each rescue live as they reunite with their loved ones. we're also following breaking news from the nation's largest nuclear power plant in arizona. a package was found west of phoenix at the plant. the package discovered early this morning and resulted in traffic being shut down in the area. the sheriff's bomb squad was there on site. we have gotten word they have left and saying that the plant is operating normally with two of the three reactors working at fult power. they feel like the situation is now fully under control. we'll keep our eye on it. the stepmother of a missing 10-year-old girl heads to court today. the latest on the investigation next. a fiery show down between
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all right. we are following the breaking news from the san esteban mine in copiapo, chile, where the 16th miner emerged. we are waiting for the 17th. live pictures on the left-hand side of the screen. seeing that 17th miner emerge, we'll bring it to you live. the stepmother of the missing north carolina girl with a prosthetic leg and hearing aids in court today while the heartbreaking search shifted to a murder investigation. lisa baker showed no emotion as
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the judge instructed she could be sentenced 30 months. her step daughter survived bone cancer but lost a leg. she was reported missing this weekend. no one is charged as a suspect in the disappearance. police did arrest the stepmother for trying to throw off investigators with a fake ransom note. analyst clint van zant is a former fbi profiler. the authorities believe zahra was murdered and they have a lot of evidence to go on. is charging her with obstruction of justice just part of what they do to keep her under pressure and in custody? >> yeah. i think that's what they're trying to do right now is just keep her locked up while this investigation goes on. of course, the big thing, contessa, number one, to try to find the little girl alive but the police believe it's a homicide. we know that, for example, search dogs, cadaver dogs hit on two vehicles used by her biological father and her stepmother and, contessa, it gets far worse. there's a report that cadaver
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dogs hit on a mulch pile and on a woodchiper. i mean, that's taken a terrible page out of the movie "fargo" and beyond comprehension to think somebody could do that to a child but that's what they're looking at right now. >> you thought investigators would be turning up the heat on the father. to try and get him to spill the beans about whatever it is that he knows. have you heard anything about a biological mother in this case? >> well, i've heard the biological mother last i heard she was in canada and there's apparently been no contact, nothing at least reported about her coming down. so everything seems to center now on this biological father and stepmother. the stepmother that the father allegedly met on the internet and married. she has children by a previous marriage but, contessa, she's
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alleged to have threatened local people with a gun, a stun gun. they call her a liar. i mean, she has a history of writing bad checks, of threatening the lives of people. i mean, if you have to look for a suspect in a disappearance of a little girl, you don't have to look too far in this case. >> again, just to mention it, she also has family members who said that she used to lock zahra up, beat her and then lock her up inside the house so there are horrifying storying this case. thanks. >> thank you. michelle rhee announced she's resigning at the end of the month. last month's primary election defeat of mayor fenty. a georgia woman could not believe her eyes. she realized the power company wanted her to cough up more than a billion dollars. she thought, hey, who forgot to turn off the lights? here's the story from affiliate wxia in atlanta.
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>> reporter: knowing the bill has to be a mistake, charlotte called cobb energy. >> do you all think i have street lights to ants or something? she started laughing and laughing and then i believe she goes, i'm sorry, ma'am. she said that just caught me off guard. i said, yeah, me too. >> reporter: owing over a billion dollars. >> even donald trump couldn't afford this bill. >> well, fortunately, a customer service rep worked it out bringing the bill down to a more reasonable and more accurate amount. tourist allegedly murdered by pirates. the lead investigator in the case has himself been murdered. the latest in the case today. the chile miners are everywhere but turning to a different story, how about this journey? a missouri man survived a mile-plus sewer trip. he was unhooked from the sewer
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a gruesome new twist in the alleged shooting of an american man by mexican pirates. the lead investigator was decapitated, the head delivered in a suitcase to the mexican military. the police investigator was searching for the body of david hartley apparently killed by pirates jet skiing on the border lake between the u.s. and texas. hartley's wife tiffany reacted to the murder on the "today" show this morning. >> my heart broke. i can't even explain. i mean, i'm grieving him, too. the loss of him. because i mean, i met him. i was sitting next to him. through a translator talking to
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him. >> nbc's janet shamblay joins us. this investigator belonged to the mexican police force investigating this, correct? >> reporter: that's right. in fact, he was the lead investigator looking into the jet ski murder. he didn't return to his family after a day of searching and then the next day his head was delivered in a suitcase left on the top of a vehicle that was left at a mexican army base. higher level mexican authorities are saying today, this guy was investigating a number of cases. we can't directly tie it to his investigation of the jet ski murders but it would certainly appear that this would be a message from the cartels that we're running this operation. we control this water. and that you should back off. meanwhile, tiffany hartley met this investigator. they'd talked. she said he seemed very earnest and determined to bring her husband's body back to her and
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she was just devastated by this news. where does the investigation go from here? authorities in mexico say they're still searching. the sheriff in zapata county says on the u.s. side they haven't seen any signs of search over the last 24 to 36 hours, contessa. >> janet following the situation there in texas, incredible case. we start in north carolina where the tables turned on an armed robber in a grocery store in high point. the thief gathers up the loot, puts the gun on the counter and the clerk works so quickly and so do the hands. she grabs the pistol, aims it. he scampers out the front door and result is nobody was hurt and hopefully the guy got a lesson. a long island man is lucky to be alive after being struck by lightning. he was unloading the car. he was thrown to the ground but fortunately all he has to show for it is a scar on his
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shoulder. doctors say he had just taken off the wedding ring and watch and may have helped limit the injuries. we're following breaking news now. the rescue of the 17th miner in chile, imminent at any point. you can see the scaffolding above that long tunnel they have pulling the miners up and the capsule known as the fenix. the wheel turning here. a quick break. watching it very closely and should happen at any time. give me a brk, will you? (announcer dr. scholl's masg gel soles with t different gels for softness and support... ...are outrageously comfortable. ...on second thought, i think i'll walk... (announcer) are u gellin'? dr. scholl thanks martha -- triggered my stop loss orders... saved me a pantload. [ crying ] oh great. every time i fly. my ears! swallow! [ male announcer ] upgrade to first class investing technology... at e-trade.
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good wednesday, everybody. i'm contessa brewer. attorneys general from 49 states opened a joint investigation into whether faulty paper work and shoddy procedures may have led to illegal home foreclosur foreclosures. alabama is not join the investigation. president obama is asking congress to make permanent a $2,500 college tuition tax credit set to expire at the end
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of the year. opening statements today in the case of the first guantanamo detainee to face a civilian trial and accused in the bombings in tanzania which killed 224 people. and evacuations have been ordered on a pair of islands near the yucatan peninsula ahead of hurricane paula. the category 2 storm is expected to pass cancun today before turning toward cuba. we are about halfway through the rescue mission at the mine in copiapo, chile. let's take a look at the timeline. how it's gone so far. just after 11:00 p.m., florencia avales. emerged. next, 12:10 a.m., mario sep
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sepulveda. next, juan il anes. then carlos mamani began working at the mine just five days before the collapse. 3:10, the youngest miner, 19-year-old jim any sanchez. 4:34, oz man araya. 5:21, jose ojeda. he is diabetic. 6:02 a.m., claudeio lagos. he wanted cigarettes and was disgusted that the miners got nicotine patches instead. 6:59, mario gomez, the oldest and most expensed. he began working at the age of 12 in the mine. 5:52, alex vega. his father had to use a fake name because they didn't want relatives of the miners doing any dangerous work.
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8:31, jorge galleguillos most sickly. he broke a rib and hurt his back next year. 9:12, edison pena, kept fit running inside the mine every day. 9:54, carlos barrios. worked at the mine part time and drives a taxi. victor zamora. 11:05, victor segovia kept a diary of the mine. danielle herrera, a 27-year-old truck driver and he's single. now waiting for omar geygadas. he is a widower and worked at the mine after nine years of working for a contractor. so much can change in two months that these men have been underground. for instance, one of the miners will meet his baby daughter for the very first time. baby esperannzo, the name means
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hope. dr. joseph nappali is here. you know, here's a guy who knew he was expecting a daughter. goes to work one day and doesn't come out until two and a half months later. how jarring is that change of life for people as they're being rescued? >> well, i think it can be very jarring. they've been down there for a good number of days. and the main challenge for them is really to get back to their usual life. and that's no matter what this is a transforming event for them. >> i want to mention we have now just heard the siren that typically means that we have just less than two minutes to go until we see the miner emerging. again, the miner we're expecting here is omar reygadas.
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he went to work at the mine after years of working with a contractor. he likes to read and reading material limited down in the hole because of the side of the delivery tube they had so probably most likely would have been things like magazines and newspapers that they were able to get to him. not necessarily books in this case. the families as we have seen standing by now, smiles on their face. waiting to see this number 17th rescue of an incredible 13 or so hours of rescues we have seen. this moment for the families has got to be one of pure joy. >> oh, i would say, yes. this is -- i'm even feeling the joy of the moment. this is -- and you can see it. it's rejoicing, cheering. hugs. well deserved pats for the
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rescuers. this is what we would call the heroic phase of a disaster. where the rescuers are very excited. doing heroic deeds and it is going into the honeymoon phase where there's all this food, positive, shared emotion. >> i imagine for the rescuers, there's going to be some psychological challenges after this is all accomplished. they have worked day in and day out for weeks on end to try to make sure what we're seeing happening happened. >> i think it's an excellent point. even though at this moment there's much joy and, you know, triumph and hopefully as this continues, will continue to go well but what happens is disaster work is rescuers worker can be a letdown phase after they return and they themselves can have a difficulty returning to their usual life. >> dr. napoli, here it is again. you can see the rescue crews
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standing around with their hard hats on as the scaffold above winches its way bringing that fenix capsule to the surface. this has been a fairly problem-free process. at the beginning of the day, we know that -- at the beginning of the effort we know that the fenix had trouble with a jammed door but they apparently got that all worked out and now you are seeing some of the journalists on the scene and the family members recording this for prosperity. we have seen incredible reunions from the people who have waited so long to see their loved ones brought to safety. it was an incredible opportunity for the miners, as well, in that they had communication lines and we were able to see and hear from them in the process. that had to have helped. >> it helps tremendously. we know from experience and research that social support during traumatic event and afterwards is very important.
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and the people working on this have to be commended for what they have done in terms of giving them the support and the families, too. even though because of their natural anxiety, despite that, they gave the loved ones great emotional support during this. >> here's the crews cheering, of course. probably seeing the top of the capsule coming into sight and lifting the reel up as you can see on the big cable. we have heard the crowd there chanting. they cheer the name of the country chile as the miners emerge from the capsule. let me just pause here and we'll watch the process.
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[ applause ] >> miner number 17, omar reygadas. recent widower. we're told he likes to read. certainly two and a half months down below ground would leave a lot of time, though maybe a lack of reading material. we know that some reading material was sent down. magazines and newspapers. sent through the delivery pipe.
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david lariskey, former secretary for labor and mine safety and health. give us your gut reaction of omar coming to the surface. >> for me, it brings back a lot of mem ris of quecreek and, you know, the emotions are very high. the anxieties are high and such relief every time that capsule emerges from underground and, you know, that's obviously what you see here and so, you know, like the doctor, my emotions get pretty high when i watch these things and so happy for the miners and families and for the people that have put in so much time and effort in trying to secure a successful recovery so it's a wonderful, wonderful thing to watch. >> each of these miners as they come up to the surface, they get checked out, again. the rescue crew's there to meet
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them and the medics at the scene to check their vital signs. blood pressure and pulse and breathing and then almost immediately the reunion with the loved ones for whom this has been an incredibly long wait. that process getting from the hole -- look at this. a lot of people told me yesterday via e-mail or twitter and facebook the first thing they would be would be to pray and thank god for that journey. that journey from the bottom to the top, 15 minutes or so. what's the challenge in those 15 minutes? 's where the real final preparations happen for the folks who have spent so long trapped. >> i think -- well, actually, it's all that they have done to
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prepare for the moment. that's the important thing. to help them to get through that moment. and all the emotional support that they have had been giving them all this time. obviously, no one can really appreciate what they're going through as they're ascending because we have never gone through this experience. but i would have to think that it's just a wonderful feeling to make this ascent. and to know they're going to be out of the trapped situation. >> here's where the medical care beginning. a blanket right away. they have come from a place where the temperature is about 90 degrees. to where the temperature at the surface is very cold in the nighttime hour's about freezing. oh. and the relief that they must feel. and again, they're seeing sunlight for the first time. the glasses they're wearing, see
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the glasses that are important because they have been under the dark underground for so long. they didn't want to damage their eyesight with their first shot of sunlight coming in and wheeling omar reygadas from the cheering crowd and getting the initial check-up and then go to the hospital and so now they get ready and make preparations to send the capsule back down for number 18. and let me just go back to you for a moment, david. are you surprised by how smoothly this has all gone? >> well, not really. i mean, you know, you always want to not get too complacent and never want to overlook what can happen. but there's been an incredible amount of planning and preparation and design that's gone into this. and i think they just have to be ov overjoyed with how smoothly this has gone but referring back to
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the 2002 incident in pennsylvania, quecreek, much the same experience. we planned for a lot of things to go wrong. things obviously did go wrong in the drilling process as they probably did here but during the rescue operations things went as smooth as we could have ever hoped and this is unfolding to be very, very similar to that so there should be a lot of pride among the people planning for this and have designed this rescue effort. just a wonderful thing. >> the workers now we just saw them spraying lubricant on what looks like the door of the capsule. there was an initial little jam-up there, the door having trouble opening and looks like they have fixed that problem and making preparations to send the door back down. the 17th miner. we'll keep our eye on this situation as it unfolds. take a quick break here. i do a lot of different kinds of exercise,
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all right. breaking news now. sending that fenix capsule back down into the mine now and hear what the emerging 17th miner in his late 50s now, mr. reygadas hugging his son. what an experience in the mine for somebody who had been trapped so long and holding his bible. a quick thanks and presumably a prayer there, as well.
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a major court ruling could be the demise of don't ask, don't tell. yesterday, a federal judge ordered the military to immediately stop enforcing the law that bans openly gay and men women from serving but one of the nation's largest organization for gay military personnel said they should proceed safely and should not come out at this time. pete williams is nbc's justice correspondent. what happens now? >> reporter: probably good advice because there are growing signs that the administration, the obama administration will try to get a federal appeals court to put a hold on the judge's order. the judge ordered the government to stop enforcing don't ask, don't tell. the next legal step here will be to see whether the government first goes to the 9th circuit court of appeals and asks for a freeze on the judge's order and whether they will appeal it and probably will, it appears. defense secretary robert gates
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told a group of reporters today that this issue should be decided by congress not the courts and changed only after the pentagon finishes its study on the issue coming out in december and today robert gibbs, the white house spokesman said as far as the president's concerned, it is not about whether but how the policy is lifted. now, of course, congress initially voted on this but it hasn't gotten through yet. the question is whether there's another vote in the senate after the general election. perhaps in late november or december. the chairman or rather the ranking -- the democratic leader in the senate harry reid's office saying they probably will try but who knows whether the republicans gain control of the senate? it is all very iffy and the administration is in a bind here because if they appeal it, trying to keep the policy alive in the courts trying to get congress to repeal it. it's kind of an odd position and it does look more and more like the government will at least try
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to get the effect of the judge's ruling put on hold while they consider whether to appeal. >> pete williams, thanks for bringing us up to date. now the miner's situation and a rescuer inside the capsule. making adjustments to the capsule and they saw initial problems when they first began the rescue with the door jamming up. presumably, they're making sure that everything is working as it should before they send it back down. quick break. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs, tires screeching ] we give to you the all-new volkswagen jetta. we have one more surprise for you. fifteen-thousand nine-hundred neunzig dollar? [ sobbing ] [ camera shutters clicking ]
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17 men who have been trapped for more than two months are rescued. 16 more now waiting their turn in a capsule that brings them to freedom. they have not yet sent down that rescue capsule. joining me is an assistant
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professor of critical care in miami and psychiatrist joseph napoli. dr. shavazan, first to you, what does it do to the body to be out of sunlight for that amount of time? >> many of the rhythms are dependent on that difference between night and day and so with the miners being there in the dark with period of light for the past two months, their sleep cycles have been quite affected and when they come up and everything settled down, they'll probably experience difficulty with sleep and can feed into the psychological and emotional issues. i want to say, though, sorry. i was going to say it's really -- i was impressed, again, by the planning of the medical team and the advisers and the rescue workers in that they kept them on a very strict routine and schedule so even
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though they didn't necessarily have the daytime cues, the timing of the meals and exercises and activities were very much coordinated and that's going to help them adjust. >> joseph, what are the biggest psychological challenges? >> most people are resilient. what we had the challenge is preventing post traumatic stress disorder, depression, anxiety disorders. there could be in the initial phases, maybe nightmares, anxiety. that's a natural phenomenon that will fade. we want the prevention of the other disorders. >> keeping your eye on the order, next up is esteban rojos. thank you so much for watching. andrea mitchell's up next.
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