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today. sarah palin and karl rove go to war. we discuss the upside of the tea party, and is oklahoma getting taken over by muslims? all fun. let's get started now. now that the republicans have gained so much more power through the elections, the next question is who gets to wield it? instantly we have an internal gop war. the two combatants, sarah palin and karl rove. in the corner karl rove representing the gop establishment. in this corner sarah palin representing the conservative populous movement. let's find out first who started the war. that would appear to be rove. first he went after palin endorsed candidate christine o'donnell. palin hit back by telling him to butt out. then rove went after palin directly by landing this blow. telling a london newspaper, quote, with all due candor appearing on your own reality show on the discovery channel, i'm not sure how that fits into
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the american calculus of that helps me me see you in the oval office. ouch. now she hits back with a round house. >> karl rove, he knows that it isn't a reality show. now he's planted political seeds that are negative and unnecessary. i feel like, why do they feel so threatened and so paranoid? >> oh, it's on. i love it. now people are taking sides, and you better grab the popcorn. now peggy nygen jumped at the opportunity. she wrote in the "wall street journal," comparing her to reagan, quote, the point is not that he was a great man and you are a nincompoop, though it is true. americans don't want people who see empty or crazy. they'll vote no on that. it's not just the message. it's the messenger.
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representative bakas now set to head the powerful financial services committee for said this of palin, the senate would be republican today except for the states in which palin endorsed candidates like christine o'donnell in delaware. he says sarah palin cost us control of the senate. it's on. the question is why has the republican establishment decided palin represents them in a bad light? that's popular. has she touch ad nerve with her message? is it that populous? or did she do something that made the people that fund the republican party mad? because rove definitely represents the money part of the gop. i'm not sure there's another part, but he definitely represents that part. so one final fun we for you guys. which side will rush limbaugh and the fox news boys come out on? if pile on palin, it's over.
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but if they back her then this goes nuclear. i told you this was going to be fun. now joining us, richard wo, nbc news political analyst and a syndicated columnist and author of hostile takeover f. let me start with you. those quotes look very much reel. >> it is real, and it's really personal. so how does this play out as the presidential pack takes off, because this is a party without a leader. there is competition to say who spends the money, where it gets spent and sarah palin, you know, they are both fox news contributors. so i guess it will play out on another channel. it also playing out in terms of the electoral map. according to polls, 40% of the people who showed up to vote republican last week say they're strong supporters of the tea
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party. this is down the middle of the republican party. >> dave, let me go to you. why are they fighting? you know, i don't see what the conflict is. both are in favor of gigantic tax cuts, et cetera, et cetera. what's the fight about? >> because washington defends itself first and foremost. there's a personal component here. but karl rove represents washington. and in both parties we see washington will defend itself first and foremost and within parties themselves. so karl rove represents the old school washington republican establishment. i'm a critic of sarah palin on policy, but she represents a a sort of grassroots republican party. and there's this tension there. and there hasn't yet been a leader in the republican party who can bridge both of those parts of the republican apparatus. >> i'm getting the sense, david, that you're on sarah's side
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there. >> well. i'm not on her side. it's like, one of the fundamental problems in american politics is the washington establishment of both parties. so i think the effort to shake that up, to make the matter parties more democratic is probably a good thing for our small "d" democracy. >> you mentioned fox news. both rove and palin are contributors. that leads to the question of which side are they going to be on. that usually determines the winner in republican politics. >> i don't know how powerful they are. but one thing you have to say about establishment figures is they look at the polls and know sarah palin cannot be elected. she's lost the middle.
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she's become less popular since twail 2008. electability is the problem. it may be the establishment. it may be the big corporate interests that he represents. the people funding his nice operation he's got there with gps. but there's an electability argument that at some point republican voters are going to have to pump up against. they'll have the enthusiasm. they'll have the turnout. so she can get some way down the field with the primaries. if they're looking at who can win, sarah palin will come up short if she's a candidate. >> with the money on rove's side it appears, especially within the republican party, does sarah palin stand a chance, or is she about to get wiped off the board? >> richard is right. there is a calculation that she's unelectable to the broad mill l of the country. i don't think there's any
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precedent of a politician who is purely grass roots winning a republican nomination. ronald reagan sort of bridged the establishment an the grass roots of the republican party. you may see a consensus figure. somebody perhaps like indiana governor mitch daniels is somebody whose conservative politics may be able to appease or attract grassroots republicans. but his corporate ties. his ties to washington. his ties to the bush administration may be able to gra b the administration in washington. they're looking for a bridge candidate. until there is one, sarah palin will be a divisive figure in republican pot ticks. >> let me give you one last question. does palin have a chance? can she overcome this and vins the conservative voters and the people listening to talk radio, et cetera, that she's right, rove is wrong, and does that leave rove on the outs? is that possible within the gop? >> sure, it is you can play it
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out two years out any way. yes, she can win. but she's not going to beat howard dean. that energy doesn't just disappear. it doesn't do what howard dean is, which is to salute and give a nice speech at the convention. they're likely to splinter off and run on their own. they're not going to go away. if someone in that mold runs in that slot, whether they take the republican nomination or run as a third party. she's not going anywhere. people like her are not going anywhere. they're going to be with us for two years. >> i think richard is right. is that a huge gift to the democrats? and what will be the practical consequences of that? >> i definitely think sarah palin is a huge gift to the democratic party. the more she's out there the more she defines a part of the
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republican brand, the better for democrats. she is really not ready for the broad middle of the country. i don't think it has anything to do with her, you know, she's saying, oh, it's personal against me. i think it's a matter of her extremist politics and what she seems to represent. yes, the longer she's on the stage, the better it is for democrats. >> and what's the sense of how this may affect, if at all, actions in the house and senate legislatively? is this a real split within congress? and will that affect legislation? >> yes, it does. this gets to the heart of what we saw last week. so was last week's result the domination of the tea party movement of conservative politics, or was it the movement among independents. if it's about independent voters here, then that's a different
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path the house and senate have to make. but if you think it was about the tea party folks and their grand takeover of politics, that's a very important strategic difference, a choice that the republicans have to make. so interpreting last tuesday is the key here. that opens up two very different scenarios for 2012. >> great conversation. we appreciate it. >> thanks, cenk. >> all right. now what the tea party is getting right. we'll tell you about that next. and are the democrats already going to lose a senator? which senator is the gop trying to steal? to stay fit, you might also want to try lifting one of these. a unique sea salt added to over 40 campbell's condensed soups. helps us reduce sodium, but not flavor. so do a few lifts. campbell's.® it's amazing what soup can do.™
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the tea party had serious losses last week, but they also had some big wins with a number of tea party candidates who won in the house at least this time around. nbc news says there may be 40 or so nbc house candidates who won. and some of those made big promises they would not accept business as usual. many were dead set against the earmarks also known as pork barrel spending. demint is considered the leader of the tea party movement in the senate. >> tom coburn and i are leading the effort for the earmark ban. and we know john boehner is committed to it in the house. we're not going to have earmarks, so it's really silly for some senior republicans in the senate to try to block it. >> well, that could be something they agree with the progressives on, which will be interesting to
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find out. the gop has been very lukewarm to the idea to say the at least. especially because they're the ones giving out the pork and deciding where it goes now. so not so much on board with demint's ideas there. and senator elect paul is back pedalling on his earlier claims of being dead set against the ear plark marks. rand paul tells me they are a bad symbol of easy spending but he will fight for kentucky's share of earmarks and federal pork slong it's doled out at the academy level and not parachuted in in the dead of night. on the other hand, still holding strong on cuts in the defense budget. >> the compromise is republicans never say they'll cut anything out of military. national defense is the most porng thing we do in washington, but you have to make the military budget smaller. but then you also need to address how many wars are we
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going to be involved in? >> well, some progressives are going to love that. senator elect paul, meet congressman kucinich. congressman kucinich, neat senator-elect paul. could this be the beginning of real bipartisanship? to discuss that, robert kramer, political strategist and awe thoor of stand up straight, how progressives can win and a professor from the university of virginia joins us well. robert, let me start with you. is this the start of a real bipartisanship in the congress, or is it just a mirage? >> i think it will be the beginning of a lot of disillusionment on the tea party followers. we find that the very first thing that the republicans are going to promote is not reducing the deficit, but rather $700 billion of new debt so they can give the top 2% of the population a tax cut. that is going to cause
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disillusionment pretty fast. >> let me follow up on that. you think they didn't know that? you think they're like, oh my god, the republicans are for the rich! is that going to really be a reaction? >> think there was a lot of convincing people that they needed to do something to stop the economic situation or change the economy. in 2008, the people who said they were worse off in the last four years voted by a 40% margin by obama. this time those same people voted by a 29% margin for the republicans. this was mostly an election about the economy. >> you've written about how the tea party and liberals may have more in common. tell us about that. >> well, actually what i found is that it's the libertarians that really the key group to understand. and the libertarians turn out to
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have more in common with liberals than the ranking file of the tea partyiers. in your last segment you talked about the rift between the people who fund the republican party, and that's a lot of business interests twho fund groups like freedomworks and the conservative populous movement represented by sarah palin. for now and the last two decades the groups have been united in their hatred of liberalism. but, in fact, i've done studies with tens of thousands of subjects. libertarians care about liberty. so do liberals. and the social conservatives like palin who may talk about liberty, but they don't -- it's not that they want everybody socially free. they want order. they want religion. there's a tepgs within the republicans right now. >> i'm at a loss here. i think a lot of the country is at a loss. who are the tea party people? are they conservatives?
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are they libertarians? do they know themselveses? >> no. so when the movement started it seemed like it was a mixture of libertarians and social conservatives. and the libertarians fund the organization. again, this group freedom works. matt kibby. they are true libertarians. but surveys in polling show that the great bulk of the tea partyiers are social conservatives. they're the same people we used to know as the christian right. only now they're upset about certain economic issues. in surveys i've done i ask exactly the sentence from kibby. they claim the tea parties all believe everyone should be free to do everyone should be free to do what they choose as long as they don't infringe on the rights of others.
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>> it's confusing because rand paul is a libertarian. he's considered a huge tea party candidate. it all gets jumbled up in there. you just saw rand paul saying he wants to cut the defense department and he wants to stop some of these wars. he's got to have progressive allies. can they get together and make, in effect real change? >> well, that may be true. the libertarians who funded the tea party movement are big business libertarians by and large. they think big business and wall street should call the shots in the united states. as the professor said, that's not their interest. certainly that's true of the ranking file americans. that's not their interest. so we have a number of different visions here. both on social policy and on economic policy that will come to the floor in the next little bit. >> how about on the idea of earmarks? is this just a pipe dream? do they mean it? or is that -- robert, is that
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hopeless? that we can get together and fight against earmarks? >> the real question is how much it really means. the republicans made earmarks a big issue as if it really meant a lot to the federal budget, which, of course, it doesn't. it's really moving the money around in the budgets an deciding who gets to decide. there may be earmark reform possible in the near term. it's possible it may be eliminated. i don't know that will have a consequence on much of anything except who is deciding what projects are done. >> all right. we really appreciate you joining us. >> my pleasure. are the democrats already back pedalling on repeating don't ask, don't tell? are you going to be surprised? that debate is next on msnbc. and a girl says she was thrown off her cheerleading squad for not cheering for her alleged rapists. and the courts ruled against her. we'll find out why. [ j. weissm] it was 1975. my professor at berkeley
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i'm milissa rehberger. a mystery missile laumpbl tops the news now. in southern california a rocket or some other kind of object shot up into the sky, leaving a large contrail over the pacific ocean. at this hour no federal agency can explain what it was. the navy, the air force defense department and north american aero defense command are all looking into it. the faa did not clear any commercial space laumpnches yesterday. the erupting volcano is cutting short president obama's visit to indonesia. his president has long been anticipating this because he spent four years of his childhood there. the volcano sparted spewing hot ash two weeks ago. that is the news now. back to cenk after this break. this is the aarp...
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can the democrats exploit the differences between the populous and establishment wings of the tea party? those are the questions ef with been asking today. here to help me answer the questions is congressman anthony weiner from the ninth district of new york. what do you think here? is there joint ground between not just democrats and republicans, that's been hard over the last two years but with the new tea party coming? >> well, i don't know. part of the problem many of them have is they came into washington with a long list of things they're against. you saw this weekend on jim demint saying i want to slash budgets but protect social security. they're a conflicted bunch. they've succeeded politically in
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demonizing the things we democrats have voted for, but they still have a long way to go in explaining what they're in favor of. >> how about on the warpath against earmarks? are you with him on that? do you think there's value in the earmarks? >> i'm open to a conversation about it. i don't think there's anything define about the executive branch deciding where to spend money. but this is a place where there's been schizophrenia among the tea party candidates. they say they're going to fight for the districts, but they're not going to fight if it means bringing home programs that may help constituents. they have the benefit of governing. we democrats have the benefit of being able to say, okay, you're in charge, show us what you want to do. >> wow, you're talking my language. i like that. how about within the caucus?
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has there been a conversation about, hey, is there any common ground here? can we reach out to them not in terms of the last two years where you say, what can i compromise away? where do they agree with you guys? has that conversation happened yet? >> well, i don't know. when you have a party and caucus defining themselves as how great they are to saying no to things, i wouldn't know where to start. about 45 proposals were included in the health care bill. we put in a middle class tax cut. they voted no on that. i have no idea what it is these guys want. so a conversation about compromise has to at least start with someone sitting at the table. so far no republicans are sitting there. >> congressman, how about the opposite end of this? is there a way to exploit the difference that we now see between -- how do democrats take
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advantage of that? >> well, you know, i don't know about the rest of my colleagues, but i'm here in washington to try to gets done for the american people. i'm not going to get in the middle of a fight between karl rove and sarah palin. i don't know enough one-syllable words to get involved. we need to help the president solve the problems of the country. we'll agree with the republicans when we can. but we're going to fight with them when we must. >> that makes sense. but afghanistan. let's say the rand paul wing comes to you and says, look, we have to get out of there. the military is talking 2014. we're bleeding lives. we're bleeding money. are you open to that? >> a lot of us would agree with that before rand paul came to the scene. >> how about if any of them say maybe we should hold the banks
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accountable? will they actually do that? do you hold any hope? >> i really don't. these guys are a holy owned subsidiary. these people paid their bills to get them to congress. they want to do their bidding. if this leopard changes its spots, then we'll see. but no that they're in charge and they've won the races they have to show us how to do these contradictory things. >> what are the democrats going to do? since they are in charge they have a huge majority in the house. what do you do? do you propose bills? how do you have hope of success? >> a lot of what we we'll do is stop their bone headed ideas. they've talked of privatizing social security, turning medicare into a voucher system. they want to scale back things like giving people insurance who have preexisting conditions.
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i believe when they come after the democratic principles we should hit them with so many rights they're begging for the left. >> when your fighting wing is led by a 150-pound jewish kid you have some problems. >> well, it's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog. >> i get the idea. exactly. >> i got it. congressman, thank you for joining us. now when was the last time the president of the united states, the chairman of the joint chiefs, the defense secretary and 75% of the american people all agree on, anything, really. but this time they all agree on repealing don't ask, don't tell, which bans gays and lesbians from serving openly in the military. should be an easy win, right?
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of course not. beck pedalling as usual in my opinion. democrats like isn't the mart leader harry reid now say that without republican cooperation, they might not even be able to debate the issue. that cooperation appears far less likely after the midterms, especially when you consider the report from the hill, which reads, quote, the top democrat and republican on the senate armed services committee are in talks on stripping the preposed repeal from a broader defense bill leaving the repeal with no legislative vehicle to carry it. to which i say, of course, of course it's gone. now joining us, the editor and steve karnaky from salon.com. john, first, are you surprised that the democrats may be caving in, and do you think they are? >> god no, and of course they are. does ha leopard change its
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stripes or whatever the hell it was. the problem we have with the democrats on so in progressive issues sh they cave. don't ask, don't tell has polled between 70% and 80% in repeal in like ten polls in a row. you have the senior leadership, the chairman and secretary on board. but when it comes to getting the votes, you don't find senator reid doing enough. and you don't see president obama doing enough to get us the votes. now they're talking of killing it yet again. what a surprise. >> what's the logic? if you're a political party, there was one poll that had it at 78% approval. what's the logic of buckling? >> i think what's happening is not for the first time, this is a big important issue caught up in the politics of the u.s. senate where the issue is sort of held hostage by republicans using it as a bargaining ship. if you take this off the table, maybe we'll give you the treaty. but there's an opportunity for
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president obama. but i believe he has the power to end the executive order on this. instead of this incomprehensible debate in the senate where there's an amendment for this and an amount for that, he can dare the republicans to say do you want to take legal action? do you want to take legislative steps to reinstate the policy? that's where the 78% starts to come into play. then you have republicans saying, you know what, this is not a fight we want to have right now. let's this stand and move on. there's an ton for obama to do that. will he do that? not usually his way. >> it is a comprehensible debate. you can say, we're on this side with 75% of the american people. you're on the other side. good luck. have at it. >> right. >> so john, let me go to you. do you think president obama can do that? should he do that? >> he can do that. it is a good strategy. i agree with the other guest.
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this president doesn't do bold. i don't know why. we've seen it on health care reform. god knows we saw it on the stimulus. he didn't ask for the amount of money he thought he needed. we could have blamed the economy on them now. for some reason, someone in the white house, probably the president himself, thinks bold is bad or bold is dangerous. that's what we need, otherwise this is a disaster for the president. the gay community is not going to take this anymore. >> and by the way, john is right. you had public option, which has nearly 70% approval rating. white house is against it. why? why give up these advantages? campaign finance reform. huge. people hated citizens united. 80% of republicans hated citizens united, the voters. the list goes on and on. now the republicans will be aggressive. they're going after democratic senators. steve, they're going after manchin. he just got elected as a democrat out of west virginia. and they're trying to steal him, according to some reports
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according to foxnews.com. is manchin open to that? >> no. i don't think so. the timing is really bad. he just got elected. he just got elected after the republicans spent $5 million saying he was part of the obama socialist agenda. but it does raise an issue we have to look at in the next congress. joe manchin, joe lieberman and jim nelson. all of them are up for re-election in 2012. and two are facing hostile electorate. states that don't like the democrats. really don't like barack obama. and if you can think back to the last watershed republican election we had like this in 1994, within the first five months, two democratic senators actually switched sides. they switched the republican party. so there's a window for the conservative democrats to come over. the saving grace the democrats may have is the example of arlen specter from earlier this year. a guy likem manchin looks at
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specter and find out the other party isn't having any of it. he knows if he switches to republican party, they're not going to nominate him. >> you're right. and lieberman does have a hostile electorate. but they're hostile against him, according on the polls. you know, on this manchin thing, if the reports are right, are offering him about a billion dollars for a project he wants in his home state and the energy committee, possibly. isn't there irony in the republicans giving out a billion dollars in pork? >> yeah, yeah. what's amazing to me isn't that the republicans are trying to buy off a senator with pork when part of the election was about the way washington is done. we have to change that. these guys are fear less. i'm not saying the democrats should be buying guys with pork. but gee, you wish the democrats would have a little backbone, too.
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in the house it's the same problem. the republicans always pull the motion to recommit out of the back pocket. it shot down all sorts of legislation. the democrats in the minority and we all go, i don't know. what's a filibuster? >> can you imagine harry reid saying, you're not coming for my senators, i'm coming for your senators. >> exactly. inconceivable. >> obama saved joe lieberman's butt, and what did he get for it? we don't hold our own guys in line. we don't show boldness. i don't know why. it's really frustrating. >> thank you for joining us, guys. >> now coming up a cheerleader is thrown off the squad for not cheering for an alleged rapist. why did the court rule against her? e up with is the hot dog ez bun steamer. steam is the key to a great hot dog. i knew it was going to be a success. the invention was so simple that i knew i needed to protect it.
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she says raped her? according to a federal appeals court, no. when a student in texas refused to cheer for a boy during the basketball game, she was told by school administrators to go back and coo cheer for her alleged rapist or go home. she went home. her parents sued the school district and the case made its way up, which ruled she did not have a first amendment right to sit down while the rest of the squad was cheering. instead, they ruled her protest was constituted substantial interference with the work of the school. really? wow. it started at a party in 2008 when the cheerleader just 16 years old alleged she was raped by bolton. he and a teammate were arrested after a grand jury decided not to indict them they were september back to school. he was later indicted on sexual assault charges. it was during that time that the
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incident happened at a game in 2009. he eventually pled guilty to a lesser charged of misdemeanor assault. he was fined $125, given 100 hours of community service and avoided jail time. the court not only ruled against her family, but said the family must pay the school's legal fees on the grounds the suit was farfetched and frivolous. the family is appealing the entire ruling. we have the msnbc senior analyst and former connecticut state prosecutor. first of all, it's important to strait the two cases. one is a case against bolton. and two, she brings the case saying they took away my first amendment rights. the fact that she was not convicteding on rape, does that change the equation? >> no, it does not. the court plain and simple got this wrong. that a crime victim should have to cheer for her attacker is plain and simply wrong. the school gave her ha choice. you cheer for the guy that
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assaulted her or you can't be a cheerleader is not a correct choice for this young woman to have to make. and for the circuit court of appeals to uphold that is not fair, and not just. i think the supreme court will overturn this one. >> i'm with you on the school. what the school did was atrocious. i can't believe they did it. school superintendent, the assistant to the superintendent and pulled her into the hallway in the middle of the game and said you're going to go home. now the conservative judges are saying she doesn't have a first amendment right to not cheer on on anything she doesn't like. do they have a point there? this is atrocious circumstances, but what if she decided not to cheer for things she didn't like. >> it's not cheering for what she doesn't like. she's not making a personal protest like i don't the color yellow. she's protecting herself. she was traumatized when she saw
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him, and had to cheer for him, and she was exercising self care, like any other crime victim would. she was taking care of herself and saying, i can't do this. this isn't good for me. this is not okay for me to have to do this. and for her to have to pit her well-being against his right to play ball isn't a fair choice for her to have to make. the school is rong. and the court's analysis of making this free speech isn't proper. it isn't the right test for this case. it will be righted ultimately by the highest court. >> she brought a first amendment suit. so how will a court say all right it's a first amendment suit, but since you were traumatized, i'm going to rule the other way. >> because there's different tests under the first amendment. tests to sort this out. so i don't think we have to get out from under a first amendment suit. we're right under first amendment suit. i think there's different tests to be applied here. i think it will get sorted out.
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>> finally the court saying your suit is frivolous and making her pay the school system for kicking her out. i mean, isn't that just rubbing it in? >> that's punitive. that's saying by accessing justice, we're going to punish you for using your voice to speak up to say i was wronged here. >> and what's the point mind that? why did they do that? >> it sounds like they're trying to deter her from getting other crime victims to speak up for them. it sounds like a bad day in the court of texas. >> thank you for joining us. we really appreciate it. >> you bet. next, my takeaway on muslims in oklahoma. are they a danger? what did oklahoma do to fight back against islamic law? and did it work? - i was drafted. - i enlisted. - i was nervous. - and there i was in asia. - europe. - the gulf. - and i saw things. - incredible things. - and people you never forget.
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in oklahoma, they had an important referendum. can courts in the state take international or islamic law in decision? thank god this is being addressed. islam was about to takeover oklahoma. appare apparently, the good voters agreed to shut out international and sharia law. 70% said, get your islamic law out of our courtrooms. how are they going to handle all of the cases already decided by islamic law? oh, right. there are none of those. there's this weird paranoia running through the country that islam is about to take over. this is what happens when people drive a campaign of fear and hatred against an other. even if it's completely fabricated, they convinced 70%
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of oklahomaens this was a real problem in their state. rex duncan said, quote, most oklahomans do not endorse the idea of killing innocent women and children. they really believe muslims are these evil creatures that kill innocent women and children. muslims love their children, too. by the way, this law has been suspended by the federal judge before it even took effect. it's because you can't pass a referendum telling the courts what they can and cannot consider in their decisions. what if the good people of oklahoma passed a law saying we don't want no stick in arkansas law being considered by our courts. that wouldn't pass constitutional muster. it's discriminatory against one religion and it turns out there are actually about 20 to 30,000
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muslims in oklahoma. which honestly, i'm a little shocked by. i didn't know that. but i hate to break to good citize of oklahoma, but as an american citizen, they have the same exact rights as you do. conservative talk show hosts see this story and think, muslims aren't coming to oklahoma, they're already there. be afraid! be very afraid! that's how all this gets started in the first place. that's our show for this tuesday. i'm cenk uygur. i'm going to be here all week long. we're going to bring you all these great topics. up next, "the dylan ratigan show" is shredding light. you don't want to miss that. i'll be on the young turks later today, but dylan ratigan is coming at you and he's coming hard. so get out of the way or enjoy the program. he's up next. [ female announcer ] clear some snow.
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