welcome back to quaelt jansing & company" on this veterans day, 2010. where we pause to honor our more than 20 million military veterans. you are looking now at a live shot of arlington national cemetery. vice president joe biden is there. he's going to honor the men and women who sacrificed for our freedom and our country. he will be laying the wreath at

the tomb of the unknowns. normally that honor would fall to the commander in chief, but today president barack obama is in south korea. as you know, he is attending the g-20 economic meeting. so, we're also expecting remarks from vice president biden. we'll have that live for you in just a few moments when he -- oh, is that vice president biden there coming out? coming around the side. okay. let me bring in barry mccaffrey and, general, it is always good to see you. first of all, sir, happy veterans day to you. >> yeah, thanks, chris. >> so much going on today. preparations in new york city for a big parade. this is one of the ceremonies that touches us always every year. all around the country there are various commemorations. what is this, what do these kind of commemorations mean to veterans? >> well, i think it's important demonstration. you know, 300 million americans

when you have a small number of our young women and men defending us. 47,000 killed and wounded in afghanistan. it's never stopped and the willingness of young americans to step forward and protect their country, active duty guard and reserve is simply phenomenal. >> you say step forward and it never hurts to remind folks that the people who are in iraq and afghanistan and other far flung places around the earth defending our freedom chose to be there. >> absolutely. they're all volunteers. 100% of them and many of othem multiple volunteers. they volunteer for the army or special ops or marine corps and they volunteer to fight directly to protect american freedoms. >> how do you think the view of veterans today and the view of active military, in particular, has changed since you're a young guy entering the military? >> well, you know, a good point. i had three combat tours as

lieutenant and captain. i'm wearing a first calvary pin on my suit. 58,000 killed in action, 300,000 wounded. today we ought to be proud as americans that the u.s. armed forces is the most respected institution in american society. and that makes a difference. chris, the standard statement is, army don't fight wars, countries fight wars. so, having the american people behind the armed forces is a huge boost to their willingness to defend us. >> and given the fact that this is an all volunteer service, as we see vice president biden coming up to lay the wreath, what does it mean, frankly, for recruiting? >> well, it's a huge difference. you know, right now, thank god, we're seeing some of the, essentially we take the top 25%

american used men that's who goes in the armd forces. the young women probably tend to be in the top 10%. so, really an elite selection and vice president biden who we are now watching is honoring 300,000 who lost their lives. >> let's listen in to the ceremony. ♪

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>> arlington national cemetery, tomb of the unknowns. the remains of unknown american soldiers from world war one and

ii and vietnam are on that tomb is the inscription here rests in honor of glory an american soldier known but to god. as you watch this, general barry mccaffrey, perhaps you can tell us more about this ceremony. every time i see it and hear it every year, it still gets to me. i must imagine to you, as well. >> it is very moving. i we were watching. that is the tomb of the unknown soldier. by the way, the vietnam unknown soldier was identified has been an air force pilot killed in action. probably forever going forward it will be these three unknowns. the commander of the military district of washington standing with the vice president. the tomb every american that comes to washington should go to arlington cemetery and see that. 24 hours a day, 365 days a year the old guard mounts constant

watch over the tombs. a changing of the guard is something an american citizen should see. very moving, very important. 300,000 or more buried at arlington national cemetery. >> yes, members of the third united infantry, it is something remarkable. absolutely remarkable to see. one of the most popular tourist sites in all of washington, d.c. i couldn't agree with you more, general. anyone who has never seen it really should do it if they're ever in the area around washington, d.c. and virginia. we also do want to make mention of the fact that the president today was in korea, obviously, he's there for the g-20 summit and he, of course, honored america's military and the first lady was in germany, as well, where she greeted some of the troops.

>> now, there we're looking at a joint colored guard backing up the ceremony. that's an air force officer we're looking at. i assume there will be a huge number of veterans in the amp theater, chris, right behind the tomb of the unknown soldier. it will be a very important ceremony there also to commemorate veterans day. at 1:00 down at the vietnam memorial another huge turnout to honor the 3.5 million veterans of the vietnam conflict. >> general barry mccaffrey, thank you so much for being with us and, again, happy veterans day to you, sir. >> thank you, chris. and we have some breaking news out of pakistan's largest city. an explosion rocked a police station compound in karachi. a powerful bomb has leveled a building there. at least five people have been killed and another 40, we're told, are injured. it happened near that police building not far away from the

heavily fortified u.s. consulate. three days stranded at sea, not much of a vacation, but now the nearly 4,500 paernssengers crew aboard the carnival "splendor" can see land and just a few hours from now they should be back on solid ground. miguel is live in san diego and we're hearing reports that aboard that ship they have been laughing and dancing and singing and they cannot wait, miguel, to get off of that ship. >> yeah, chris. good morning, the "splendor" is a few hundred yards behind us. making a slow progression towards the dock. running ahead of schedule and from this elevation there are people on the upper decks of the "splendor" who are waiting and watching the dock process and what we're told is it will take about an hour, hour and a half once we arrive on the deck. 3,000 people getting off of that ship and certainly will not be easy. there is a live picture of the folks who are waiting there to get on deck. this is a very busy ship.

thousands of people onboard and getting off won't come quickly, but certainly going to happen relatively shortly. "splendor" has been out at sea, you mentioned, since sunday. on monday a fire in the generator room which sent all those passengers, some 3,000 of them to the upper deck wheres they were told to wait until the fire was put out. of course, as you know, they lost all their fital services. no hot food or water for several days. in fact, they didn't have restrooms for some time and the military came in and the u.s. navy dropped 60,000 pounds of supplies and for the last several days they had canned milk and cab meat and spam and crackers, bread, cereal. now, they're finally seeing the end of their trip come here. they should be onshoerd in an hour, hour and a half they will begin the deboarding process. >> not hurt by the fact, i understand, that they opened the bar onboard, as well. so, miguel, thank you so much.

two notes from the home front this morning. foreclosures in october dropped to their lowest rate this year and mortgage rates now at their lowest levels in decades. freddie mac says the average 30-year loan is down to 4.17%. the lowest since 1971. let's see how the markets are reacting. the dow jones industrial in negative territory right now. down 110 and the s&p and nasdaq down, as well. protests in london, strikes in paris, riots in athens. something we're proposing to do over here. does washington have the courage or do they fear our streets would look like europe's? ed shultz weighs in. and how are you spending or honoring veterans this veterans day? thomas roberts is here with some suggestions. hey, thomas. >> chris, good morning. hopefully everyone is taking some time to remember our veterans. we look at the service the

country provides for two vets and the tight american job market, plus, the suggestions for you and your kids, maybe even your grandkids on how to send a special thought to those who are serving. just some simple suggestions. you're going to want to see this, coming up.

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to cut nearly $4 trillion from the federal budget, a white house commission is going after some sacred cows. for example, raising the age for social security and increasing taxes. in london yesterday about 50,000 protesters took to the streets angry over a government plan to triple the cost of college. it's part of a massive effort to cut the budget in the uk. the french were outraged when the government raised the retirement age there from 60 to

62 million dollar protested that change. joining me now is ed schultz host of "the ed show." we're not suggesting that people are going to take to the streets and shut down transportation, but there are some harsh economic realities here. what do you think of the recommendations from this bipartisan commission? >> we're a long way from this being implemented. it has to get 14 of the 18 to get on the board and the president has to sign off on it and go to all the committees. none of this may come to fruition but he has to take credit for starting the process. now, some serious fight here in defense spending. you're talking about cutting a third of the military force on bases around the world. the conservatives aren't going to like that. 15% cut in procurement for military spending, they're not going to like that. that's just the first fight of many that i think are going to be out there. also for families at the kitchen table. i don't think the public, personally, i don't think the public will take to the mortgage interest deduction. that's going to be gone.

your child tax credits could be gone. we're talking about radical changes here. >> the argument is, of course, that radical times call for radical measures and everybody will have to feel a little bit of the pain that we're not much different than what's happening in much of europe. >> you hit the nail on the head. all of us will have to sacrifice here. let's let this bush tax legislation expire at the end of the year. >> you know that's not going to happen. >> it's not going to happen because it's not politically popular but theb ins match up. if you let the legislation expire and go back to the 2001 tax rates, we're not going to have to go through this exercise of having to cut social security, cut medicare. it will all take care of itself because the treasury will get more money. >> when you look at some of these recommendations, do you see a few of them going through or a number of them going through but in a modified way? how do you see this playing out? >> in the days of reagan and tip o'neill where they had a little

compromise, yeah, i could answer that promisely. but right now washington has been short on compromise. some strong fisted tight mentalities and they're stepping in and say we have to do it this way and we're not moving. so the culture of washington, i think, will have to change, move, shift for this to work. we haven't seen much of this. >> speaking of changing cultures. we want to ask about don't ask, don't tell. officially this pentagon study hasn't come out but basically it says 70% of hundreds of thousands of people surveyed in the military and their families say they're okay with repealing it. do you think there's any chance this is going to come up in the lame duck session? where is this going? >> the democrats won't block it. the military doesn't sound like they're going to block it. it's going to be the conservatives and they're going to go down the ideological lines and say, no, we're not moving on this. where is senator john mccain on this? he, of course, has been someone who has been there for the military families. well, this is what the families

want. but i think that the hard right wing in this country and the christian hard right does not want gays in the military. when push it come to shove they're going to listen to that part of the constituency and there isn't going to be any change in don't ask, don't tell, unless they do it in the congress. >> i also want to bring in general barry mccaffrey, just to get your comments on this. you know, when we looked at this survey and, again, we haven't seen the whole thing. we're just getting reports of it. the one sort of sticking point seem to be that there were far fewer in the marines who were willing to let don't ask, don't tell expire than in other branches of the military. but do you think ed schultz is right that this needs to be done in the lame duck session? where do you see this going, general? >> i haven't seen the data, except the information that had been leaked in the news media. my guess is it at the end of the day of day we'll change this policy one way or another.

the question is whether we lost a bubble. i think the president should have listed it by administrative order, the extent possible when he took office. the more this is studied and debated the bigger the wall of opposition becomes. this will not be a problem to the u.s. armed forces, the congress needs to change the law. >> msnbc military analyst general barry mccaffrey. always good to see you, sir. thanks for sticking around. bobby tillman's tragic death was an unprovoked and random death. bobby's mother is speaking out. what does she think of the kids who simply stood around and watched her son die. thank you, sir. thank you, ma'am. you're welcome. gate 40, ma'am ? straight over that way. thank you. you're welcome. would you like the window ? no, i'm fine. thank you, sir. there you go, sir. thank you, sir. have a great trip home. oh, thank you very much, ma'am. would you like some help ? yes. let me get that. have a nice night. thank you, ma'am.

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a savidge and unprovoked attacked took the life of her 18-year-old son. georgia police say tillman was

savidgely kicked and stomped by four teenagers. one of whom police say made a promise to beat up the next person who walked past him at a house party. monique is the bobby of bobby tillman and shegynes us now. i just want to say how sorry i am for your loss. >> thank you. thank you. >> it is impossible to even imagine what you have been through in the past week. tell us when you first heard about what happened to bobby. >> bobby's best friend called my daughter on her cell phone. i hadn't heard from bobby and he was really good with letting me know if he would be late. you know, he had a curfew and always oobeyed it and as i was calling his cell phone my daughter came in and said bobby's friend is on the phone and he wants to speak with you. when i got on the phone he told me that bobby had been jumped and he may be in critical condition. so, i said, where is my son?

where is this party? is he in the hospital? is he in the street? where is he? he said, ma'am, i don't know. i didn't go to the party. so, i hung up with him and i called 911 and i told them that i was just told that my son may be in critical condition and his name is bobby tillman and he was at a house party, did you receive any 911 calls and was anyone taken to the hospital? she put me on hold and while i was on hold i got into my car he went with three of his friends. so, i started to drive. i wanted to go to their home to see if they were home and if they knew where my son was and while i was driving, she told me that an investigator wanted to speak with me and could i go back home or he wanted to speak with me face-to-face. i said, why? why can't he speak with me now? unless you know something about my son let him speak with me now because i want to find him or know where he is. >> were you just in a panic at

that point? >> yes. i just wanted to know where he was. if he was okay. i wanted to get to my son. >> when did you find out? how did you find out that he did not survive this attack. >> investigator skinner came to my house and it was like 1:45 sunday morning and he came with another sheriff and he was telling me that there was a fight and it was at a house party and i said, sir, was my son hurt? and he said, yes. i said, is he alive? and i could tell by his face that my son wasn't. he told me, he said, no, ma'am. bobby died from blunt force trauma and he died instantly. >> no parent should have to bury a child, but to hear the circumstances. what went through your mind when you heard that this just seemed to be random. i mean, did he know these kids at all?

>> from what i'm told, no. i don't believe he would have known them, but from what i've been told, no. and he definitely didn't go there with him. i know every child that he went with. i know their parents. so, no, he didn't know them. >> how are you dealing with all of this? i can imagine just a range of emotions from shock, grief, tears, anger. where are you right now? >> you know, i just want justice for my son. i just, i don't want my son's death to be in vain and i'm just so glad that people see the good person that bobby -- he was a beautiful person. a beautiful man and i was angry, of course, but, you know, i don't want to concentrate on that. i just want to concentrate on celebrating my son's life and

hopefully all this can change another life and another life and save another child and, you know, then i know definitely my son's death was not in vain. >> what is the message that you want to send? what is the good thing that could come out of this tragedy? >> saving another child. putting strength into these children so that they can stand up to these bullies. my sister is an attorney and she's in the process of trying to get the bobby tillman act implemented and she wants it to call for tougher punishment for second-time offenders, juvenile offenders but also counseling for juvenile offend oers that have been released for their parents so that they can know how to handle their children and their rage so that we can just stop this bullying. also the children that are like my son that just want to live and have a happy life and be successful. that they can have the strength to stand up to these kids. because if three or four more

would have helped my son, he would be alive today. and those four bullies, they can't beat up everybody. you know, they were cowards. this is my son's bracelet. it can fit my wrist. that's how big my child was. he was small. he did not ask for that. if those four would have just gotten together. i just want to put a strength in these kids so that they can stand up to these bullies and this will never happen again. >> you were kind enough to send us pictures that we've been showing of bobby. he was a beautiful baby and a fine-looking young man. what would you like people to know about him? >> that he was a man. he was 18. he just turned 18 august 1st but my son was respectful, he was courteous, he loved me, he loved his family. he loved, he just wanted to be happy. he was happy every day. bobby smiled every day.

he was everyone's light. i mean, people would come in sad and he'd just touch them or joke or pull their hair and he'd start laughin g ping. he just wanted everyone to be happy and smile. he was an angel here on earth. that's what he was. he was my angel and now he's with god. so -- >> and to those four others you mentioned that are in jail, suspected in this who have denied it and, as i understand, have sent condolences to you and your family. what would you say to them? >> you know, i really have no comment for them. and i'll just let justice take its course. i have 100% confidence in the d.a. and the douglas county sheriff's office that it will be handled accordingly and i'll just let them deal with that. my focus is bobby. >> and no one watching this -- no one watching this can hope for anything but that somehow something good will come out of

this. monique rivarde, thank you for joining us. again, our heart felt condolences to you and your family. >> thank you so much. thank you. thank you for having me. we'll be right back. [ male announcer ] at e-trade, investing means taking action

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but think back now to the 2000 florida recount and the phrase hanging chad might just come to mind. today in alaska something similar is happening. election officials are sifting through thousands of ballots with several versions of lisa murkowski's last name in the write-in spot. kristen welker is live in juneau, alaska. how is it looking for lisa murkowski's write-in bid? >> hi, chris. yesterday seemed to go overwhelmingly well. 89% of the ballots tallied yesterday and another 8.8% of the ballots were tallied for her however they were marked in the category of contested. mostly because of things like spelling errors. now, those ballots are going to be crucial because if this winds up in court, those contested ballots will be the first ballots to be reviewed and could make the difference in all of

this. now, the miller camp has been arguing all along that spelling errors and lisa murkowski's name shouldn't count as a valid ballot but they disagree. they say it's their job to determine voter intent. they say if they can pronounce the word phonetically they are counting it. now, at the end of the day yesterday, some folks in the murkowski camp actually accused some of those miller people of contesting ballots for frivolouses reasons. here's what both sides had to say about that. >> the miller camp right now is actually contesting absolutely correctly filled in ballots, which is why the state of alaska is returning 90% of them back to be counted. why they're doing that, we have no idea, but they're, obviously, trying to boost the number of challenge ballots. >> all we've asked is that if it's not spelled clearly and if it's not, if there is any sort of misspelling or not spelled clearly or if there is any question, go ahead and let's segregate those out for further review.

>> now, we did see a number of different variations of lisa murkowski's name yesterday. some her last name spelled mer and in some versions her last name spelled with a y in the end. counting was supposed to take three days and now officials are estimating it will be more like five days and get under way here in just about an hour and a half. >> still gets you home in time for thanksgiving. i'm keeping my fingers crossed for you, kristen. >> thanks, chris. >> thank you so much. we want to go back to virginia and arlington national cemetery. the tomb of the unknowns. vice president joe biden, who has stepped in for the president to honor the veterans on this veterans day. let's listen. >> thank you for your hospitality. and, roger, you spoke well. roger and i were kidding one another. he said my speech is in big print. i said, so is mine. we have the same generation and the same era. and to all the veteran service organizations who some of whom i

had the honor of breakfast with this morning in the white house, thank you. thank you for your service, your vigilance and your constant voice on behalf of america's veterans. and, jim, thank you. the master of ceremonies today and our new superintendent patrick hillihan, thank you for your hospitality and the great service you render to this nation. to leader banered, it's good to have you here and soon to be speaker of the house boehner. congratulations. and let me say at the outset here i stood in this amphithea tt amphitheater in may to observe memorial day. i think i was talking to secretary gates when i said this is one of the great honors

bestowed on me as vice president of the united states to return here on veterans day. the slight november chill today contrast with the 91 degree heat we experienced on that sultry day in may and as i, and should remind us in my view that the heat we endured in may was nothing compared to the heat our veterans endured in world war ii battling the sun baked coral islands in the spapacific and i some cases going days without water. nothing, nothing compared to the generations of americans who waded through the rice patties and the delta in vietnam and nothing compared to the heat experienced when i visited our troops in fallujah in the middle of the summer showing me the inside of an m-wrapped vehicle that had just saved their lives. >> vice president joe biden at arlington national cemetery honoring veterans on this veterans day. one of the premiere events, but they're all across the country

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>> good morning. >> as you know, a number of republicans want the government to hold a military commission and congressman peter king says i urge attorney general holder not to hold any 9/11 trials in new york or anywhere in the united states. these 9/11 terrorists should be tried before a military commission at guantanamo. what is your reaction to that? >> well. >> whether it should go to the u.s. federal court or the military commissions. the military commissions act, by the way, which was redone in 2009 by the congress would actually, probably in my opinion, be the better place to try mohammed and there's several reasons. one is the physical security of what's going on. i mean, we've already seen mayor bloomberg say not in new york. it would cost too much et cetera. it's true because our court system is usually in a

metropolitan area like that and it costs a lot of money to protect and protect that city. the second reason would be the admissibility of evidence and the difference between what you put and forward between a military commission and what you put in front of a u.s. court. the charges are different. in a military commission it's about war crimes and terrorism. in a u.s. federal court. it's those two plus things like hijacking, murder, et cetera. so there are some decisions to be made. remember that president obama took a look at the military commissioners. that's the first thing that he said. he put a hold on them and said, let me take a look at what they really do and whether they will really stand the justice and fairness aspect and he's concluded that they do. i would suggest that we probably would put them into the military commissions. >> representative loretta sanchez with one voice on this ongoing debate. thank you so much for being with us. >> thank you. believe it or not, there are

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hollywood lost a flamboyant film making legend, dina de laurentiis has died. he brought nearly 500 films to the silver screen, many modern day classics. among them "conan the barbarian" one of the first films of arnold schwarzenegger. he is also the man behind the remake of "king cong."

de laurentiis co-produced a italian films. dino de laurentiis was 91 years o old. a book that promotes pedophilia has caused an explosion of outrage and anger on amazon.com. here's nbc's natalie morales. >> reporter: amazon.com has all kinds of e books on their kindle bookstore site. one book in particular is creating a fire storm on the web. its title, the "the pedophile's guide to love and pleasure: a child lover's code of love and conduct." the author offers a description of his book. this is my attempt to make pedophile situations safe r for those juveniles that find themselves involved in them. he goes on to say, i hope to

achieve this by appealing to the better nature of pedosexuals with hope that their doing so will result in hatred and lighter sentences should they be caught. >> it's offensive, dangerous, and on kindle. it's out there to the masses. i'm very upset by it. >> reporter: the e book available on line since late october created thousands of angry response on amazon's site. horrifying, disgusting, lost my business are three of countless customer reviews of the book. and the anger has exploded online. a flurry of tweets on twitter expressing outrage. a growing facebook page dedicated to boycotting amazon as holiday shopping gets into full swing. the author who says he, himself, is not a pedophile defended the book outside his colorado home. >> every time you see them on television they're murderers, rapists or kidnappers. that's noting ing anot accurate

particular sexuality. >> reporter: amazon says, it is censorship to not sell peoples because we or others believe the message is objectionable and support the right of every individual to make own purchasing decisions. >> perhaps it's free speech. it wouldn't be so widely marketed as it is. >> that was natalie morales. the protest has gotten amazon.com's attention. overnight the book was yanked from the website. earlier the retailer issued a statement saying, quote, amazon believes it's censorship not to sell certain books simply because we or others believe the message is objectionable. that's going to do it for this edition of "jansing and company." i'll see you back here tomorrow and every week day from 10:00 a.m. eastern. joining us tomorrow, john marshal, founder and editor of talking points memo, ari melber from the "nation" magazine. it's a big controversy in mississippi.

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