back to business at home. president obama headed to washington to face a big week ahead. is he headed for a clash or compromise on key issues? a jolt of wintry weather. the upper midwest hit with up to a foot of snow and the stormy weather is not over. the forecast in minutes. >> the pat-down control. the controversy surrounding newer and tougher rules surrounding airline passengers. the new reachlt how robots

are taking over jobs in one country. is this a trend that will spread? good morning. i'm alex witt with "msnbc sunday." the white house is framing the president's trip to asia as a success. although he failed to secure a free trade agreement with south korea. david axelrod pointed to newly secured deals that will put americans back to work. >> if you had more time, i'm sure you'd show the positive headlines from the trip as well. the president went on this mission because asia is the most vibrant market, growing market in the world, and we want to compete for those jobs. and that's why he went. nbc's mike viqueira live at the white house. good morning to you. >> reporter: good morning. >> it's going to be a big turnaround. let's hope he get as good night's sleep. >> as david axelrod will have us know, there were successes on the ten-day trip but also letdowns. the president winging his way

back at this very moment. they had a refueling stop at anchorage, alaska, at the air force base. they'll land at andrews air force base and land on the south lawn. it does not get any easier for him. the last hurrah for nancy pelosi. she has the gavel in her hand. at the top of the agenda, the tax cuts, the bush-era tax cuts. we've talked about them over and over again. the issue gets tornier and thornier. some he had campaigned against that's drawn the ire of liberals and now republicans in congress say, no, we've got to have those permanent temporary. it won't do at all. this was the topic of conversation. another topic of conversation on "meet the press" between david gregory and david axelrod, let's listen to what he had to say. >> the bottom line is he wants to sit down and talk about this. there's no bend on the permanent

extension of tax cuts for the weal wealthiest americans. >> he's willing to compromise. >> he wants to get it done. the americans want to get it done wchl're eager to sit down and talk about how to move forward. >> reporter: he doesn't want to say compromise because people on the left don't want the president to compromise now. they want him to fight republicans. after all, that was a strategy that worked for republicans for the last two years ever since the president moved in here into the west wick. to that end the president is reaching out to both republicans and democrats, senators and congressmen. he's going to be having them other here on thursday and to the white house and to the residence over diner to talk thing over, alex. >> we'll see how that goes, with your help. for all the latest political headlines check out firstread.msnbc.com. it's the latest for politics. it's time for leaders to cut back. they tell the warren wash post

the war has taken too high a toll on the afghan people and the military needs to be less intrusive in the bay daily lives of afghans. he says the military's night raids are problematic because they fuel american sentiment. he says it will make the war worse and afghan troops are rt rd to step up and take more responsibility for security. a british cup sl free today after they were kidnapped from their yacht and held hostage for more than a year by somali pirates. paul and rachel chandler were spending six-month stretches at sea after retierning early when their boat was stormed off the i o lands of somali. they've been working to secure the couple's release ever since then. right now they're reportedly in british custody in kenya. despite their good fortune they still hold close to 500 hostages. well par for the midwest.

they're digging out from an early storm. this is minnesota where snow fell in parts of the twin cities. as we look at storm lake, iowa, six inches fell there covering streets and fields and also knocked down trees and power lines as well. let's go to the weather channel's jeff morrow and a good morning to you. what's it look like out there? >> all right. that storm you were just referring to, that dumped a record amount of snow for the day in minneapolis. 7.9 inches. some areas got over a foochlt hey, it's minnesota, right? this time of the year you have to start to expect that. don't expect it along the east coast today. it looks pretty nice all the way from new england right down the immediate east coast. a little bit of green on the map here. that means rain on the map. around pittsburgh, pennsylvania, erie, buffalo. more intense showers starting to develop. the rest of the midwest not bad. the storm in the most is headed up to canada and our last stop will take us out to the west

coast heading out to phoenix, vai guess. even san francisco looking pretty nice today where it won't be so nice. pacific northwest, portland, seattle, some rain. a little bit of snow dusting some of the mountains here from yellowstone national park to parts of colorado. that will be often for the first if u day os testify week. alex? >> thanks so much. police are still searching for members of an ohio family missing since the middle of last week. 32-year-old tina herman along with her daughter sarah, her 10-year-old son cody and herman's friend were last seen last wednesday. although there's no sign that anyone was abducted they did make a grim discovery in the family's house. >> there was an unusual amount of blood in that house for just anyone's residence. >> the fbi and the center for missing and exploited children now aiding in the investigation. neighbors, meanwhile, are certainly hoping all four will be found safe. joining us once again to talk

about this ongoing criminal investigation is profiler pat brown. pat, good morning again. >> hi, alex. >> you know, you rarely hear about an entire family disappearing. what is your take on that front? >> yeah, exclusively where you have a situation where a family is involved in some kind of crime with a friend also being, they usually see it as a mass murder at that location. we don't have that here, but we do have some blood. so when they find through dna who that blood hopefully belongs to, then they'll have a better idea what went down. but it is very unusual that anybody would leave or take all those people with them. >> yeah. certainly the amount of blood there, which reports are -- is considerable, that is something. but it also does not appear that anyone was taken violently. >> yeah. that's very true. i mean they're looking at a situation where there's no sign of a break-in, no signed of a struggle. whoever was injured, they have to know who it was standing in the room with them. the question is why, then, is

everybody missing? why would somebody, for example, take the children and the other person? so the only possibility is the mother might have been involved and she ran with her children or if somebody else was involved, perhaps somebody that knew one of the women, they had to take everybody because they were witnesses and that puts ought of them in danger fehr that were true. >> here's an interesting nugget you brought up. the family dog is also missing. what does that tell you? >> that's really, really weird. when you think about it if you're a strangener there abducting people for any reason, taking along a dog is not something you want to bother doing. so usually when that happens you have to look and say who cares about that dog, who doesn't want to give that dog up and there are two people who own that dog and that would be tina herman and her estranged boyfriend. >> hmm. okay. thank you very much, pat brown, as always. a tragic accident in southern california. a car slammed into a group of motorcycle drivers killing five people and police are still looking for the driver responsible for causing this crash.

it happened saturday afternoon after a honda sedan tried passing a dozen motorcycles on a one-lane highway about 80 miles outside of san diego. the sedan forced an oncoming car to swerve right into the group of motorcyclists and four of them died as well as a passenger in the oncoming car. now police are looking for the driver who triggered ha accident and then fled the scene. three men have been rescued after spending 18 hours clinging to their capsized boat in the gulf of mexico. one of the men's sons reported the trio missing when they failed to return to clearwater, florida, on friday after a fishing trip. they were rescued saturday by a fishing conversation crew and the coast guard. here's a kiss of having a front row seat is definitely not a good idea. look at this. here we go. >> watch the -- >> oh, yeah, right there. 1,300-pound bull sending spectators flying, running for their lives after he decided to jump the fence. this happened at a canadian

finals rodeo in edmonton. four people were hurt. fortunately the rider was able to rope that bull before it plunged into the crowd. that prevented the bull from going deeper into the stands. that's the first time something like that's happened in the 37-year history. he's been called the best boxer in trld wo. manny "pacman" pacquiao proved it. it is his eighth world title in an unprecedented eighth weight class. the 31-year-old filipino dominated all 12 rounds pummelable meks owe's carlo mar ga retoe who outweighs pacquiao and is 4 1/2 inches taller. the new pat-downs at the airplane, they're sparking a backlash. does this spark. a robot wowed theater goers without getting out of her chair.

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kennedy was assassinated in 1978. the leaders aren't mincing words. in their eyes it's time to pay the bills but that would mean sweeping and painful changes, everything from higher payroll tacks to higher taxes. let's bring in amy and erin billing, deputy editor of rollcall.com. they're calling for significant cuts. let's put up a list of some of the proposals here. as we check this out, i'm going ask for your take on all of this. a.b.? >> yes. >> raising social security, curtailing medicare spending, eliminating tax credits, adding gas taxes, slashing budgets. what do you think about all this? >> it's drastic.

they put in very hard work to make this fair, alex, you can see that. the proof of that is in the fierce opposition that came from both the left and the right saying this was unacceptable from the anti-tax groups and american tax reform saying anyone republican who supported this would be violating their pledge to sign to not raiseny taxes. i think they made an effort to make this fair to both sides. it's a two-to-one tax cut ratio. that seems at this point that that's going to be sort of the more realistic path but really it illustrates how painful the path is going to be. thank's the necessary first step. >> okay. so let's sift through some of the specifics here. erin, i'll begin with you. the proposal to raise the social security auj to age 68 by the year 2050, ultimately 69 by 2075, does it seem reasonable?

it feels like long way away. >> anything that has to d with entitlement, that's painful. it's huge. ite goets be addressed. democrats and republicans alike acknowledge that. raising the retirement age, i'm not sure if that's going to ultimately be a piece of the pie, but it's going have to be part of the conversation. to what a.b. said, this is starting point. this is the beginning of the conversation. i'm not sure if any of these proposals are actually going to get to congress, but this is going to be part of a larger debate that we're going have in the months and years ahead. >> okay. a.b., let's look at another proposal here, cutting the tax deduction for mortgage interest. okay, there are a lot of -- many millions of americans out there who might not -- this might not play real well with them. what do you think? >> no. this is a political disaster actually. president obama included limiting the mortgage deduction in his initial bunt as way to try to provide some revenue to

pay for the cost of health care reform an it was shot down, roundly rejected not only by republicans but democrats as well. this is a very heavy lift. there are many proposals like this that are just as much. they're going after the child credit, taxing employer health benefits. there are all sorts of things people do not like but there are things to look like lowering income tax rates and tort reform for health care and lowering the corporate tax rate as well. there's a lot of -- i think -- there's a lot of balance in this. obviously there's proposals that are going to make everybody miserable but the answers that the chairmen are giving when people say this issue is too much or this can't be done is what's your alternative and i think that's really how they have to begin the conversation. >> erin, i want to go through one more of these with you.

the proposal to add 15 cents on the gas tax. is that unreasonable? >> if you ask the unemployed and americans suffering trying to put food on table, no. the thing that's interesting about this particular proposal is it hits pretty much every american and think that's going be a difficult one for people to swallow. but, look, if we're going to get our fiscal house in order that's going to require tough choices. that including spending reductions and perhaps tax increases and to a.b.'s point everyone's going to have to accept a little on the chin here, but this particular proposal, i thunk, will be hard-hitting to a lot of americans who are really struggling. >> oak. erin billings and a.b. stoddard. thank you. a japanese hologram is selling out stadiums. we're going to look at what's behind this appeal coming up. [ advisor 1 ] what do you see yourself doing one week,

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she isn't a real person but she got president obama's attention in japan. she caught a moment of the pretpre president's time. meanwhile the week a japanese robot took the stage for the first time as an actress. the android was controlled from in back. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> okay. so this actor out there -- the robot replaced an actor. do you see this as being a wave of the future? do you see that as where technology is going? >> i think we're far from that. there's one or two robots doing these weird plays. they're kind of experimenting with will people accept this, is this something we'll get into? they're starting to replace big roles like a brad pitt role. >> we don't want any substitution on that front. >> yeah. >> what about the reality versus the kind of creepiness factor here because it is a little bit

creepy. you hear about the uncanny valley effect. >> the uncanny valley, it's really interesting. it's been observed that as robots become more -- anything becomes more human-like or more life-like, something inanimate, it reaches a point where it becomes so familiar or life-like that it actually creeps people out. it's a sense of revulsion in the viewer. so there's this point where it becomes so real your brain doesn't really -- it kind of is scared of it basically. and then you cross over that and you get into the stuffed animal territory which is super real, like kind of cute and you leave the uncanny value. but the problem with these robots is you've got them in this -- it's kind of scary. they're real but they're not real. >> i'm thinking of chucky in those horror films. that was very, very frightening. >> he was killing people. >> i got that one. let's move on to a holographic

sinner in japan. let's look at this, everyone. check it out. ♪ >> i mean look at that hole graph working up the crowd. is this a thing of the future? >> ten years ago -- >> we actually felt something for avatar. remember that whole phenomenon that was created after this? we wanted that world, that society. i got tee pressed after that. >> i was painting myself blue and going to the movie theater in character. >> yeah. >> no. but i think we're getting to that point where you can accept it as beyond the technology that creates them. it's something that works on an emotional level. >> beyond the entertainment world do you see practical applications for the tech mollgy. >> yeah. in japan -- these are all japanese robots but they're looking at these for care of the

elderly and caring for people in the hospital. there's robot surgeons that they're working with. there's a lot of applications for these and room bas do clean your house. >> it's very interesting. we'll see if it transfers across the pond, in america, in the western united states. >> i think they think they're going to destroy us and japan has they're more of caretakers and helpers. we have to wrap our heads around they're not all terminators. >> thank you so much. the president's return home. once he's back at the white house, what will be his next move, plus what republicans need to do to avoid overplaying their hand. we're talking about it next on "msnbc sunday."

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i'm alex witt and here are the top stories at the bottom of the hour. possib president obama is returning. arizona voters have approved a measure this will legalize the use of medical marijuana for people in that state with chronic or debilitating diseases. >> and more than 3,000 people turned out in florida this weekend to hear george w. bush promote his new memoir. the signing was held saturday at a retirement community near orlando. while the president crisscrossed asia, most of his critics were in washington. members of the president's team were busy dissecting the midterm elections and plotting what lies ahead. let's bring in karen finney. she's an msnbc contributor and dire director. and todd a strategist and former mccain spokesman. good to see you both. we'll do ladies first things here. if you were to advise the

president, what is the way forward for the white house and what was happening to that end in the white house in his absence? >> yeah, welling look. i think it's a good thing that people were taking the time to sort of think about what was going on and what needs to happen. i think there are a couple of key things he needs do in the next couple of months. next cupping of months are really critical in terms of the success over the next two years. the first thing he need os do is make the republicans put their money where their mouth is. they've been saying a lot of the right rhetoric, but we've got three key things coming up. that is the unemployment extension benefits. those will run out at the end of november. what are we going to do about that? >> that's about a $65 billion lot. a lot different than the $700 billion that the republicans are talking. what about the warner proposal. look at targeted tax cuts for businesses and extending the tax cuts. there's a way there to show you're willing to work with other, not to -- to compromise

but not compromise principles. so i think he's got to make a really strong stand and use the state of the union to set out a vision of where we go from here. >> todd, do you think republicans risk overreads the election and potentially overplaying their land and to that point is that going to be a thorny issue? >> it shouldn't be a thorny issue. as long as everyone agrees it has to be paid for. if we're talking about borrowing more money in order to extend unploichlt benefits, yeah, it will be a thorny issue. threat's figure out how to pay for it. as far as the results of the election, i think that any time one party gets a mandate, the there's always risk of overreading it. i think it's crucial for republicans not to misinterpret these -- >> how do you read the mandate, todd? >> it isn't a mandate. >> well, i think that it is.

thank the public said we don't like the direction that this administration and this congress has been taking our country. they turned to republicans in order to start changing the course. but this was not a whole sale embrace of the republican party. what it was was a second chance was for republicans do all of the things that we said we were going to do last time when we were in power, and i'm talking about cutting spending. i'm talking about tax cuts. the tax cuts across the board. so business can get some certainty in terms of its spending. and i'm talking about reducing the size of government. and i think we can work with this administration to do all of those things. >> what about the independent factor, karen, because "the washington post" reports the white house is concerned with the independent vote. if you look at the numbers in 2008 independents supports the president. wow. look at 2010. the republican got backed in the house by 19 points whoichl is that?

>> well, look. i think there are a couple of things. i think the mandate was actually not just for republicans. i think it was for both democrats and republicans and basically i think the american people are saying cut the crap and let's get something done. hypoboth parties take that to heart. we know that that swath of independent voters, they swank from election to election. they can vote with the democrats, they can vote with the republicans. the obama surge voter that we saw in 2008 i've always believed -- the data showed it after 2008 they were up for grabs. if the republicans did their work, they'll stay well them. if the republicans do their job, they'll vote for republicans. we need to make sure we engage those voters and really show them that we are able to get the job done. >> how about for republicans with their strategy, todd, as they try to focus on independents to keep them in their camp? what is it? >> the strategy is simple. it's do what we said we're going do in this election cycle.

so it's to rein in spending brks a checks and balances in this administration in their efforts to continue to expand the size of government. that's not what independent thought they were going to get when they voted for president obama in the first place, but it's what they got and it's why they were unhappy. >> todd, how much are republicans concerned about the divided congress and the potential for gridlock, thereby not enabling them to do what they say they wasn't to do. >> well, it would be -- i don't think anyone wants to return to 1995 with a government shutdown. you know, that certainly did not bode well for the republican party. we have our principles that we believe that, you know, the house swung republican in order to implement those principles and we're going to work with the white house to try to get some of these things done. >> you know, i think on both fronts, how those things get done is really important. when we talk about cutting

spending, the devil is really in the details in terms of where that money comes from and where that money goes. >> what about, karen, when you look back to 1995 -- todd brought that up -- when you look at the battle, president clinton won that one. >> he did indeed. the aftermath after 1994 was not a lot of fun often the clinton white house. you know, there were a lot of things that the administration did to change the way things were moving forward. don't think president clinton changed his core principles. i think he looked at what was possible. frankly he and newt gingrich had a major class. he stoop up to republicans an i think it back fired. >> do you think it's because of what the administration did or because republicans let them back in the game? >> u think it was a couple of things. i thinking it was in part because president clinton stood up and made it clear to the american people based on his

terms what this fight was about and people were with him. instead of -- you know, there's a lot of jargon that goes on in washington. when you make it very clear to people, this is what's at stake, this is what i'm fight oing for, they will generally come to your side. >> todd, do you think republicans are at all at risk of doing that again or do you think the obama administration is a different beast than the clinton administration? >> for the record, one of the reasons we're facing the mess that we do today when it comes to social security is because in 1995 the presidents and president clinton played politics with it as opposed to doing what the republicans were try dog which is actually take some meaningful steps to shore of -- shore up the system. you know, i don't think gridlock is in anyone's interest. there's a lot of gridlock out there and everyone's names in the house, they're all going to be on the ballot in two years as well as this president and the republican nominee, and, you

know, i think both parties need to show the american people that they can get something done, and if they can't, people are going to be looking for some kind of japanese robot to put into the white house. >> come on. no, thanks. that's a frightening concept. let's not have robots, okay, guys. >> thank you, a -- thank god they're not replacing us. another 14,000 votes counted yesterday. election officials are poring over a huge amount of them. senator lisa murkowski says she's confident in the mumberes. her opponent says he won't spend too much time over contested votes if the numbers don't add up. but he's not ready to make any announcements. ramie man yell is running for mayor in chicago. he's been unofficially

campaigning for weeks now. chicago's mayoral election is scheduled for february 22nd. our world view this morning begins in belgium where torrential rain is creating severe flooding. more rain is in the forecast for today. millions are making their way to mecca and saudi arabia for the annual hajj pilgrimage. every adult muslim who can afford to must go once in their lifetime. >> and incredible sight in santee ago, chile. children took three days to build most of that structure. organizers say it tops the previous record of 101 feet by about eight inches. traders are going to try to rebound after an up-and-down week in the markets. home builders will look. the report is expected to show new home building is still not on the rise. general motors expected to shell stock to the public again,

at least $29. i could raise $10 billion this week. and president obama will release hit latest book. it's a picture book inspired by his daughters sasha and malia. it's titled "to thee i sinkg:a letter to my daughters." there's one organization that could use your help. the foundation is fighting to save the lives of girls in tanzania, after ka, where tens of thousands of children are orphaned, abandoned. they're forced to live on the streets. it focused on girls in tanzania. good morning to you and welcome. >> good morning. >> why are girls the focus. >> you know, when i first started working in tanzania i was working with boys in the streets. i noticed there was nothing

being done for the girls. i was hearing horrific stories. we took one girl in at the age of 6. she was immediately taken from a brothel. she was forced into child prostitution at the age of 3, 4, 5 years old. there were caughtleountless sto that bombarded me. i felt the need to give them a safe, loving, caring home. >> what does the jbfc do? on a daily basis, describe the girls that are part of your program. >> we call our campus our center of holistic care campus. so we really look at how we can raise the whole child, how we can educate and power these girls to becoming self-sufficient contributing members of their society. we provide family care. they live in small self-contained apartments with their own matron. they go to school. we operate a school for 250 students which have large farm

and agriculture rah real projects but also to teach our students and girls how to sustain a life themselves. how to raise livestock. >> how are the boys beneficiaries of this? >> within our school we do have several boys. many boys about 100. so they are allowed to come, receive a higher quality education than they would in the government schools and, you know, then return to their homes in the evening. >> you bring up the government. how does the government of tanzania look upon your facility? >> the government is actually impressed with our project. we receive visits by the mayor, the governor. we were the recipients of an award which is an organization making imbags in the lives of tanz kneeians. >> is there a model. >> we hope it to be a replicable

scaled model that can be replicated, scaled up. we do consider ourselves very successful. unlike the typical orphanages look at the holistic child. we provide education, look at creating infrastructure within the real setting to look at how we could help alleviate real poverty. >> in this holiday season look that right here. jbfc-online.org. they can donate there. thank you for your time and telling people where their money goechlts chris gates. >> thank you. airline travellers up in arms over the recent chachlgs in airline security. does it invade your privacy or is it a necessary step to take to keep air travel safe. [ male announcer ] montgomery and abigail higgins

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the upper midwest is under a blanket of snow today clearly and more snow is on the way. that dumped out inches and also dlirched heavy accumulations in iowa and wisconsin. areas of minnesota could see up to half a foot of snow again today. for a look at the national

forecast mike seidel is in tampa, florida. yeah, no snow there. good morning. >> reporter: hello. look at this guy here. this is what happens. the snow in minneapolis had about eight inches officially. some areas had as much as 14. they're getting light snow around duluth. that's going to be winding down today. that's really the end of the storm. the east coast, we've got a front coming across. not a real weather producer. rain in pittsburgh, main rain for the buffalo area this afternoon. some of the rain or sprinkles may make it to the east coast tomorrow. not a big deal for travel. the rest of the country sunny except for the northern rockies. snow in the northern rockies. heads-up on tuesday. could be a travel headache in the northeast. tuesday, wednesday, rain and wind if you're flying. meanwhile we flew into tampa last night from knoxville to get

out here with the tampa bay buccaneer fans. they're playing the carolina panthers. the weather is gorgeous. it's sunny right now and 75. and on the girl we've got cliff the grill meister. we have kobe beef burs. what are these? >> medium rare. taste like chicken. >> how about that? well, we've got a bunch of pumped up buccaneer fans. nbc football night in america. in pittsburgh, some rain right now. that rain should be out of the way. cloudy skies around often 50. big match-up tonight. steelers and patriots. [ booing ] >> what are you booing? the staud yum dium or the team? >> both of them. >> come on. i love football fans. thachb you so much. you're going to want to watch

football night in america. it's followed by sunday night football when the patriots indeed take on the steelers in pittsburgh. it's all tonight on nbc. a milestone in california for the latino community. latino kids now make up a majority of public students for the first time ever. california's didn't of education says latin know make up the majority of students in school in california. and a special town hall event, tapping the topic of immigration. a lot of national debate focuses on our border. how residents in a small town in nebraska are dealing with the issue. here's a preview.

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>> new airport screening methods have frustrated some passengers and now there are law makers joining the backlash. in a press conference tomorrow, seven state politicians in new jersey will discuss their opposition to the new security measures which include full body skon skans and pat down where is the sun don't shine. another good morning to the two of you. is there a legal case here? did snb cross the line? >> listen, the way they're getting around the legal case is

if you don't want to go through the full body scanner, by the way, your face is plured out of that, you can opt for the pat down. i think the patdown is what everyone is so upset about. >> but here's the patdown, police will use that when there's probable cause. in the tsa, this is just every single person. there's nothing probable about the vast ma jurorty. >> that's true. but you have a limited expectation of privacy when you enter a checkpoint. they don't need probable cause to justify what they're doing. the problem with these searches is the tsa is claiming lock, the real threat isn't even where we can reach in the airport. most terrorists are going to hide whatever they're going to use to take a plane out of the sky in their body cavities. in a sense, the patdowns aren't sbrunsive enough to be effective. >> how about kids versus adults? >> there is not a different standard, but we're talking more

than just about terrorism. if you actually saw the stuff that is recovered during a patdown, you would be frightened. there's a lot of contraband, guns. yes, people do try to take guns on an airplane. >> so it's going to be beyond bringing down a plane. it could be injurious to another passenger? >> contraband, illegal drugs. there's a lot more concerns than just terrorism which none of us want to get blown up, but i don't want to sit next to somebody who has a knife either. >> you have to remember, the knives will be discovered when you walk through a metal detector. >> i've seen people hide nooifs in pretty scary places. >> these new jersey lawmaker, what do you think they effectively hope to do. >> they can fasz legislation and say the screeners have to be certified, maybe they have to be rns. maybe they have to take a special course. then maybe people will feel more comfortable. i don't like going to the nurse

and having a nurse practitioner touch me and take my blood pressure, but i'm going to do it because that's part of life. >> what about the whole gender problem. we'll have women pat down women, men pat down men. in may be people who say no, that's not what i want. wick. >> you should be able to pick the person who's going to perform the patdown. >> we're getting to the point where i can put in karen's social security number. and i can get her credit report in three seconds. >> i know we at msnbc have to fill out forms and have it all out there so our security history, if you will, will be put out there so we can fly without hassles if the company needs us to. >> you're looking screeners for the screeners. you want to know they're certified and professionals and maybe that's what's making everybody so unprofessional. the body scanners really look

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