good morning, i'm chris jansing. this is a special edition of "jansing & company." we're live from capitol hill where 180 house democrats are together for their august meeting. they are voting on the new leadership. we will have that information for you as soon as we get it. we'll see if it happens this hour. may not actually come until a little later this afternoon. joining the discussion today, congressman anthony weiner mark tapscott and former dnc communication director karen

finny and miracle on the hudson pilot chelsea sullenberger over all this controversy over what is going on with security at airports. it was supposed to be a big come together meeting at the white house. democrats, republicans, the president trying to work out their problems over dinner and now gop leaders are putting it off saying their scheduling conflict. here's what mitch mcconnell said just about 45 minutes ago. >> when we returned from the thanksgiving break, republican and democratic leaders will have the opportunities to discuss these opportunities with the president in a meeting at the white house. i'm looking forward to the meeting and to the opportunity to share with the president, again, the areas where we agree. >> nbc mike viqueira is outside the white house for us. so, what really happened here, mike? >> well, it appears that the white house never formally extended an invitation to the republican house and senate respectfully and they came back with two days left to go.

republicans came back to town and they got together and they said, no, we can't do it on thursday. let's do it on november 30th. the conferences, the gop caucus, they call themselves a conference and the democratic caucus, as you've reported and, by the way, chris, welcome to the blandishments of capitol hill. >> thank you. >> they've got to work out their leadership. as you have been reporting for the past hour, they have am things to work out. democratic side with nancy pelosi. a lot of people getting up and talking behind those closed doors over the last two days, including defeated members of congress about how they feel about things and what possibly went wrong over the course of the election. republicans for their part are organizing. there is a lot to prepare for when you're taking over the house of representatives, not to mention the logistics involved in terms of hiring staff. cooperation delays is cooperation deniedenied. the president says he's happy to have him here. they were actually going to go upstairs for dinner tomorrow

night in the residence. that was rare. republicans sort of resent the idea. they have historically of the president summoning them to come up and stand up and raise their hand to ask him questions. they don't like the optics of that. no indication that was going on this time, but not meeting until after thanksgiving trying to get together on what to do about those tax cuts, chris. >> mike viqueira, as always, great to see you there. we'll talk more about this issue with our company, but, now, miami police are involved in a chase right now. there you see it live on your screen. let's go to richard lui who has been following this for us. >> you're seeing live on the screen at the moment. looks like some gray suv, could be a ford, not sure at the moment. what we have seen in the last ten minutes from what we understand. that car, that gray suv actually got stopped at one point. you can see about six police cars in white following at the moment. but it was stopped at one moment and police got out of their vehicles and had a gun pulled on that gray car, but then somehow

that gray suv escaped and now you see what is happening now. wsvn with their chopper cam in miami. you know, 11:00 in the morning, it can get kind of busy. they're running through the streets at the moment. we'll keep it right here. >> thanks very much, richard. we'll let you know as we find out what might happen there. let's bring in our company. i thought that was an interesting way when we heard it from vic is cooperation delayed, cooperation denied. karen, what do you think is going on here? >> clear political posturing. if they really wanted to make it work, you have to believe that somehow the gop leadership would have made it work and there shouldn't be anything more important than meeting with the president about job creation and taxes. you're not going to push us around and we'll show you. >> little show of power by them, mark. >> absolutely. i was struck by the excuse that it was a scheduling problem. you always know when you hear that, that's not the reason why.

the back story that i hear is that some folks in the republican caucus were called leading in 2007 when the president showed up uninvited and some folks said, well, here's our opportunity -- >> you know, susan molinari was talking about it in the last hour, really, you're not over that yet? with everything else that is going on. >> it gives the implication if that is the back story, does that mean you need more time to prepare? they didn't like how the president expected him to be able to face him like that and be able to be so responsive to their questions. does that mean they're afraid they don't have enough, they didn't do their homework. >> they are disorganized and they don't know what they want to say to the president. i thought this was also disturbing. three out of four people said nothing was going to get done at the meeting anyway. not exactly a ringing endorsement of washington. >> i think it's a realistic assessment. >> really. >> we have such great expectations for politicians in

both parties and the fact is it's tough to get things done up here. and especially when you remember, you know, pettiness on capitol hill. >> shocking. >> shocking, yeah. absolutely. >> you know, the political director for the rnc also resigned on his way out. he hit michael steele pretty hard and he said the rnc is broke and he didn't do enough to help candidates win. let me play a little bit for you of what he had to say last night on lawrence o'donnell. >> he has a number of successes, but, obviously, had some big bumps in the road, as well. we have a responsibility as a board of directors for the national committee, so to speak, to take a look at what we are going to need in the next two years. i think the bottom line is people are coming to the uncensus that we need change. >> you know, so, at the same time, you have them maybe doing a little power play the republicans with this meeting with the president. there are some difficulty between some of the social conservatives and some of the fiscal conservatives.

now you have people calling for michael steele to get out. what is going on inside the republican party right now? >> i think this reflects a long-standing frustration, if you will, among, not just social conservatives, but grassroots conservatives. with the republican national committee especially because traditionally they have an attitude of, well, we're the expert, we're the pros, just shut up and do what we say. a lot of people are saying, no, we're not going to do that. >> michael steele didn't have a plan when he came in and here we are a couple years later and he still doesn't have a plan for the ground game. a number of my republican friends said they were hoping he'd come in and do what governor dean did. how do you rebuild the party from the grassroots, particularly going into the presidential. at the end of the day the rnc and dnc's job is to elect a president. if they're concerned that they don't have that infrastructure and no vision for that infrastructure, not surprising they're going to say maybe we

need to change leaders. >> looking at that big picture and i'm hearing all the activity across the hallway here because we know that leadership is going on and i think of the american people, many of whom thought they voted for change and at the end of the day they may see the exact same leadership on the house in both sides and exact same leadership in the senate on both sides and exact same person in charge of the gop, the rnc and do you think that both sides are maybe a little bit tone deaf the american people or reading too much into this? >> i think that's very much part of the problem and you saw that most dramatically i think over on the senate side with the republican caucus and their struggle deciding whether to get 70% of the american people ban on earmarks. that's going to be a tough problem for your folks, too. >> actually go along with it. >> has a younger brother -- really? i didn't know that. okay. all right, well, karen, mark,

thanks to both of you. you'll stay with us throughout the hour and more to talk about. now, let's get back to richard lui and more on that police chase in miami. what's going on there, richard? >> still going on at the moment. more information as we look at live video coming in to us from a chopper cam. a blue ford expedition is what wsvn is reporting. a robbery. this happening in an area in what is miami beach. that area right across here from brownsville and we have miami beach over here and miami shore. this is the space we're in right now that we can tell as they're on the freeway. whether they're going to put out the tack strips to stop that vehicle from moving. we might see some of those where the police will come in contact with the rear part of the bumper. it being an suv it might not

have the right force that these police vehicles can use when they're trying to get them to turn out, spin out. at the moment you can see just one white car from the police following that suv. that blue ford expedition. at one time some of the pictures we saw seven or eight vehicles. i want to take you back and continue to watch this, though, to describe to you what happened in the last 30 minutes. we saw the vehicle that's being pursued right now stop, stuck between some cars. what had happened is it couldn't get out for a moment so police then got out of their vehicles, pulled oout a gun aiming it at that vehicle, but then somehow the ford expedition was able to squeeze itself out and now we see that it has moved through the streets of miami. now as we continue to watch these live pictures, chris, back to you. >> i always wonder, they never get away.

all right, richard, but, the question is, how will it end? we will keep this up in double boxes as we move on to other news and we follow this chase in miami. listen to this, they are figuring out they are expecting more than a billion people to tune in to the royal nuptials. retail analysts predict the wedding could give almost a billion dollar boost, a $984 million boost to britain's economy and, frankly, they could use it. so, is the bride feeling any pressure about becoming a member of the world's most famous family, arguably. >> it's quite a daunting prospect. take it in my stride and william is a great teacher. help me along the way. >> veteran royal watcher neal shawn joins me from outside buckingham palace and, neal, i have to tell you i never heard kate middleton speak before. i read a few books about her

before and saw a few pictures of her and tell me about her and how she'll handle the spotlight. >> i'm glad that you said that, chris, it was a bit of a shock to her. i met her, so i knew she could speak but a lot of people thought she was a bit of a wind up doll. yesterday was a big day for her and she came out of it incredibly well. if you watch the film back you can see that prince william relaxes next to her and actually allows her the stage and allows her to speak. i don't think she's the shy retiring creature that you may think. there's a lot more feistiness there and we'll see more of that as the months progress. >> you know, i like the fact that they're able to keep it secret. come on, in this day in age they actually got engaged last month and we didn't find out about it until yesterday. they're trying to keep a lot of secrets. of course, everybody wants to know. we know the ring was diana's, beautiful by the way. who is going to make the dress, where is the wedding going to be. what is sort of the early gossip that's out there? >> we're so excited over here.

i think the world is excited. what we really want to know, who are going to be the guests, make the cake, the dress. i think the sort of pressure on dress or catherine as we now call her to get the dress right would be phenomenal. already we can tell you the designers are putting together their plans so they can see what she will wear and what she won't wear. what we found out this afternoon it may be a more organic wedding. sort of greeny and something in keeping with the way, of course, the way we're living now. so, i'm not expecting kate to be splashing the cash and having that fairy tale princess look that we all want her to have. >> that girl could probably put on, frankly, a flour sack and she would look good. she's beautiful, amazing-looking girl. we keep showing the picture of the ring. so many comparisons to diana and her style. how much pressure must she be feeling right now and do you

think that some of the british press will give her a little time to breathe? >> well, i mean, i think it's incredibly difficult for her because everybody will look, as you rightly said, chris, at the photos of diana. every single move even if she wears an outfit that looks similar. she is a completely different type of girl. a very strong character and i think that william has picked a strong lady. if you look at previous world brides always been quite weak and this one is definitely not that. although she appears, she is a lot stronger. it seems interested if you watch the film again when he talked about the split and she sort of said, yes, when we the break. what she wanted to say, of course, when you dumped me and when you left me in the lurch. because she was really hurting. you know, you could see it. your typical man, chris. he was like, oh, well, okay. she was like, no, you left me in the lurch. i think we'll see more of that.

certainly a lot more banter and i think you'll enjoy this romance really unfolding around the world. we're all over the moon here. >> i'm excited. i'm excited for all of you folks, too. we don't really have a royal family and it's kind of ours and i felt bad for her when they called her waity katie. let's go back, let's go back to richard lui, the car just crashed in the miami chase. >> we have been watching this. we said, you know, it's how it's going to end. this is what has happant just within the last two or three minutes in your discussion there. we see the blue ford expedition now, obviously, stopped. this involved in a strong armed robbery. it looks like this was on an off ramp. we saw them moments ago as they were on what looked to be a freeway in the miami area. and a tanker just to the lower left-hand corner, it could have been a very difficult situation had that crash been with that tanker. but, again, we're seeing there

is a bit of a standoff, again, according to wsvn, this is involved in a strong armed robbery. so, therefore, they could be very concerned at this moment with what that passenger will do. now, here's a shot of what happened moments ago as you saw there on the screen there. and now the aftermath, the live pictures from wsvn and the chopper cam in the lower left-hand side. we will see as we see his hands out the window evidently saying he is giving up. we're watching this situation here live in miami as the police at the moment, we'll see if they approach the vehicle, chris. >> you know, these police officers, they train for exactly these kinds of situations. there was a whole string several years back when these car chases ended badly and there was a renewed emphasis on training officers for just this kind of situation. so, you can bet that they know

just what they're doing there. >> there is the concern, of course, of his speed and perhaps of recklessness that might evolve from the car in pursuit and the safety of those around and it looks, at least from what we've seen in these pictures, chris in the last 15 minutes that it was fairly safe. only seeing this finishing product which is, again, the person, the driver of that car in pursuit now getting out and climbing out the window. >> they're telling him to get down. they want to see, make sure where his hands are. make sure he doesn't have a weapon or have access to a weapon. they will approach him very, very carefully. there you see, now they've got him. >> as they move on. it looks like they're moving on the right side breaking in the window. not sure or what is on the right side of this blue ford expedition as it started earlier today and going through some of the streets. it happened earlier in a park

that is across from miami shores there in brownsville in miami. going through the streets and then got on what looked to be a major thorough fair. . it goes on and on. a line of some 30 police vehicles that were involved in this pursuit in miami. 11:17 a.m., getting close to lunch in that area. just swarming this blue expedition. one suspect, what we can see, in the white shirt there. he is limping a bit after was a head-on collision with splng. let's show it to you again. it looked to be in sort of an off ramp situation and getting in contact with that, yeah, that tanker and not winning in that situation. stopping cold the blue ford expedition as he has now move under to a police vehicle. not needing to use some of those procedures you were alluding to

there, chris. which we have seen many times on air during these pursuits, which is the tapping of the rear bumper of the vehicle that is being pursued, causing it to spin out. that didn't seem to be one of the procedures that they were attempting, at least from what we saw. we also did not see, necessarily, the application of those tacks that they'll put out in strips to try to blow out the tires. again, we saw the end there, that collision with that tanker. so, chris, it has come to an end in about 30 minutes. >> always breathe a sigh of relief that, apparently, no one is seriously hurt, although, obviously, the guy on the rig got shaken up a bit. back here in washington, uncle sam wants you, government workers. wants you to pay your taxes, axtually. cnbc dug up an irs study that shows federal government workers and retirees actually owe the irs a staggering $3.3 billion in

back taxes. i'm joined now by cnbc amon jabbers. $3.3 million. >> it's a lot of money especially when the government is running such a huge deficit. when you look at the agencies that have the top number of delinquent payers. what you see the federal agencies which have the most employees where they get the wiggewi biggest totals. the u.s. postal service. employees there owed $283 million, according to this irs study that came out last year. the department of veteran affairs they owed $156 million and retired military personnel, that's where the big chunk of this money comes from. those folks owed $1.5 billion in delinquent taxes. so, there's a lot of money out there that could be captured by the irs if they're able to collect all this money from these federal employees, chris. >> and white house workers, as well, i understand they're delinquent, too. >> that's right. the executive office of the president. now, that includes about 2,000

people. they owed $831,000 in back taxes. so, even at the white house, they owe a lot of money to uncle sam, chris. >> all right, thank you so much for being with us. tsa administrator john pistole facing tough questions on capitol hill. oh, just over the past hour or so about the controversial new screening procedures. now, the pilot that engineered the miracle on the hudson will join me next to talk about them. we fill them with amazing technology. and we fill them with inspired design. and now your chevy dealer wants to fill them with as much good will as we can. come see how chevy is giving more: right now, chevy's giving you no monthly payments till spring plus 0% apr financing. see how your dealer is giving at facebook.com/chevrolet. that saves you hundreds of dollars a year. it's called the new humana walmart-preferred prescription plan.

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new tsa screening techniques have sparked outrage from some passengers who say the measures are gross invasion of privacy. last night those enhanced pat downs were demonstrated on conan and, frankly, things got a little creepy. >> i'm going to continue the procedure now using the back of my hands, again, on your face. just checking your face. >> there's nothing there to check. >> i'm the expert here, sir.

then, checking your hair. just checking your soft, luxurious hair. >> well, today on capitol hill, serious stuff senators grilling ahead of the tsa on the latest screening measures and he made it clear, he's not budging. here was his exchange with the nebraska senator. >> i get the impression that you're expressing your understanding. i am thinking nothing is going to change. >> well, sir, your question is do i understand the sensitivities of people, yes. if you're asking if i'm going to change the policies, no. because i think that's what being informed by the latest intelligence, the latest efforts by terrorists to kill our people in the air, no, i'm not going to change those policies. >> joining us right now, chelsea sully sullenberger pilot of the miracle flight on the hudson. i am sure you just heard that

john pistole does not want to change these screening procedures. do you think they should be changed? >> good morning, great to be with you. airline pilots do have concerns about the screening procedures. first, they're not an effective use of our limited resources. we need to do much better job of taking a risk-based approach and i think since airline pilots are already the last line of defense in defending the caulk pilt against those who might use it for ill and since we're very trusted partners in this important security process, i think we need to be treated as such. and we already have the means. if the tsa would use to use it and implement it nationwide to identify and verify each pilot's identity and identify their current employment status and that is much more efebtive at meeting any possible threat and concerns about the radiation exposure. you have to realize that compared to someone working on the ground that has all the

earth's atmosphere above them to protect them from radiation. pilots on the other hand are working in a greenhouse seven miles above the earth where we are above three quarters of the earth's atmosphere. we're already for days on end, years on end in my case over 30 years exposed to much more radiation than someone on the ground. and because radiation exposure is cumulative throughout one's life, you only add to it, you never take it away. then even small additional screening radiation is a concern to us, especially in the absence of any real large-scale longitudeinal studies that would evaluate the risk of this exposure. >> i also talk would the head of the airline pilots association and he echoed what you said. and i showed him a video of a 3-year-old that was patted down and he says this doesn't help. the question that i asked him is what i'll ask you. when you talk about essentially a risk-based process, it sounds

to a lot of people as if you're targeting certain ethnic groups, as if you're profiling. what about that? >> that is not what i mean. what i'm talking about is taking a more intelligence based approach and looking at behaviors and possibly asking a few questions. and, really, using our resources to the best advantage. we need to take a smarter approach. and i think there are some good, best practices that are used else where in the world that we might find useful. >> i think it is good that the conversation is being had here in washington and, of course, it's being had all across the country as we head into the heavy travel season. captain sullenberger, thank you for your time. >> you're very welcome. good to be with you. we still have this high drama on the hill here over the democratic leadership for the new house minority. congressman anthony weiner will join me in three minutes. new evidence that sarah palin is seriously considering a run for the white house in 2012.

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the shellacking the democrats took in the election and questions over who should lead the house minority going in to 2012. today's vote to be postponed and we have confirmed that 19 other representatives signed on to the petition to stop it, to stop this vote, at least until after thanksgiving. but it does look right now like nancy pelosi is going to win the top spot. congressman anthony weiner joins me now. good to see you on this windy, washington day. pretty emotional, heated, sometimes fiery yesterday and the democratic caucus. a lot of people, obviously, who are still upset and some members who lost had their say. do you understand the concern about reelecting nancy pelosi? >> i guess so.

we have to remember, she as the speaker, all speakers to some degree get blamed. it was the same way with newt gingrich and tip o'neill and that's what happens when you run the organization. >> the face of our defeat. >> i don't know, president obama was sort of the face of our defeat. remember what a speaker does. a speaker is supposed to get legislation passed and she did that and she did that in a way that i think was as impressive as anyone -- but we have to keep in mind, one of the things that we should remember about nancy pelosi is she got us into the majority. in 2004, 2005, you would have thought we were a decade away of becoming the majority party. she knows how to do it. >> do you think the vote was about change and if the vote was about change because a lot of folks got tossed out and a lot of new people are coming in that when the american people sit back and not just on the house side but on the senate side, as well, see the same four leaders. >> chris, i have to tell you something.

if fox news advertised millions of dollars every day to try to vilify you would that be a reason for msnbc to fire you. if what they said wasn't truthful and reflect the true values that is not the way we should be. we should not respond to what the republicans want. we should respond to what is best for our caucus. nancy pelosi helped pass financial reform and help us get the largest middle tax cut passed. she did what we wanted her to do and reflect democratic valus. i don't believe we should become republican. >> so all the headlines about just how heated that meeting was, do you think they're overstated. >> a lot of people casting the vote today -- >> what is going on in there? >> a caucus of democrats choosing our leaderships today. >> is it -- >> we're democrats. we kind of fight it -- >> you're feisty people? >> exactly. i think a lot of people that have a lot they want to talk about in the context of an

election that went terribly for us. but i believe it you make a list of the reason it went badly and the fact that nancy pelosi helped pass the most impressive ledgislative agenda is not the place you should go. >> democrats are feisty, republicans are feisty, feistiness going in there then gets resolved, it helps. is it going to continue and be a detriment? >> we have leadership fights every two years and every two years we emerge in a leadership that we hope is going to be successful. for the american people, it doesn't matter who the whip is in the democratic party. what they care, are the republicans going to see successful in turning back health care reform which means a lot of people senior citizens help prescription drugs and lose it. successful in repealing financial reform. we will, once again, be imperilled and chance of economic downturn and take away the middle class tax cut that was in it. these are the things american people will care about and we'll be on their side fwoithing for them. >> i think the american people care about it. i hold up this report that the

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they pay for them. this is a warning. people can find the warning on our website. we looked at all the major stores and just about every one of them offer their own cards and they're exorbitant. >> you have to pay it before the high rates kick in. >> some deals are very good and you have to remember, if you don't pay off your credit card that month, you'll pay a very high interest rate. >> anthony weiner, good to see you. all right, developing now on msnbc, president obama pushing for senate approval of a nuclear arms packed with russia before the end of the year. robert gibbs says a deal will come up and pass during the lame duck congress. we shall see about that. at the same time, secretary of state hillary clinton was pleading with senators this morning for a vote on that stark treaty. she told them at a breakfast that she will work around the clock to broker a deal. jon kyl has already said it should be put off. without some republican support,

that measure will not pass. and we were showing you earlier car chase that started in the streets of miami and ended really dramatically. a blue ford expedition slamming into a tanker. the back of the tanker even lifted up slightly off the ground. mreesz s police surrounded the suspect and around 30 squad cars were on the scene. cops took one suspect into custody and the other taken away on a stretcher injured. no word on the condition of that person now. just moments ago they did transfer the driver of the tanker to an ambulance. very dramatic end to that car crash. we'll keep you posted as we learn more about what started all this. funny how nature just knows how to make things that are good for you. new v8 v-fusion + tea. one combined serving of vegetables and fruit

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we are back live on capitol hill. where the blue dogs are barking this morning. mike mcintyre joined blue dog democrats who say they won't support nancy pelosi when they vote today. maybe just in the next hour or so for the new minority leader. let's bring in congressman sanchez, we'll have to wait for the fire truck to go by. democrat from california who served on the house homeland security commity and the house armed services committee. busy day in washington, thanks for being here. i know you just came out of the meeting for us. anthony weiner was just here and he said they were voting on the position to postpone the vote for leadership. what do you think about that? >> i don't think that it's a good proposal. because, first of all, we have been talking to all of our colleagues. i'm also blue dog, i'm also california and i'm very torn between what's going on in there. but i don't know that there's

really somebody who actually can step up and do what needs to be done as minority leader. there are not those putting really their name forward. >> you're saying there's nobody else who could leave the house democrats? >> there are, but they choose not to. they choose not to because it is a very difficult job. and it's very difficult time being in the minority for ten years in the congress. i was in the minority and i recall what we went through. so, i know that the blue dogs have schuller who is stepping up, but, of course, i don't believe that he'll get the votes. >> he said he doesn't have the votes. but is there someone who you think will take that role if they're willing to do it? >> there might be two or three people, but i've spoken to all of them and they're not interested and many are allied with nancy, also. >> are you disappointed about that? i know you're a woman from california as the current speaker is, but do you think that the american people are looking for change and do you think that they would like to

see a signal that things are not geeg to be the same old, same old in washington. >> i believe things aren't the same old, same old in washington. nancy began that process. whether people want to believe it or not, she actually has cleaned up washington. she has really tightened the rules on the congress. but i'll remind everybody, those who follow the rules, you put the rules in and we understand them when we do them. those who want to get around the rules will always find a way to get around the rules. it doesn't happen in congress, but a lot of other places. she tightened the rules like she said she would. she has cleaned up ask she has two democrats, for example, before the house ethics committee on trial. so, to say that nancy did not bring change is not correct. >> let me ask you. >> change for people, i don't know. certainly health care bill was transforming and transforming for the united states. that's changed. maybe people say they want change, but maybe they don't really want change.

>> let me look to what could go on in the next couple weebs. we just heard from hillary clinton pushing for the stark treaty and talking over on the senate side and i know that president obama met with hispanic caucus yesterday talking about the dream act. what do you think the possibilities are for that happening in this lame duck session? >> i would love to see both of those pass. >> but realistically? >> it expired last december 5th and i sit on the subcommittee that deals with nuclear nonproliferation. >> did you hear what jon kyl said? >> i met across the face-to-face across the table with the russians. this is so important for america and it's really sad that, again, one person in the senate can really block something that has been worked on so hard by two administrations and by many democrats and republicans. >> all right, congresswoman, thank you so much. you'll stick around, we have other things we'll talk about. congresswoman loretta sanchez will stay with us for this story, which is, without further

ado, do we have a drum roll somewhere? it's time to give you the name you've been waiting for. "people" magazine's sexiest man alive 2010. look, they gave me a drum roll. ladies this year's top dog is actor ryan reynolds. the buzz for his upcoming star role as d.c. comb green lantern has profelled him to one of the most anticipated covers of any magazine all year long. kate coin senior editor with "people" magazine. a lot of good-looking guys out there. but why this guy? >> well, you know, ryan is really the whole package. he has a tremendous sense of humor. he's, obviously, quite easy to look at. and he's just an all around great guy. a devoted husband, talented actor and really nothing lacking there. >> we have been talking all morning about a meeting going on here in washington, d.c., about

the leadership of the party going forward. it has been a little feisty and there is yet a little feisty when you all are sitting around the table trying to decide who is the sexiest man alive. >> it's probably not quite as contentious, but, definitely people have very strong opinions, very strong favorites. the great thing about this issue is that beyond ryan on the cover there are hundreds of other men profile inside. so, there's usually a little something for everyone. >> did you have a few other favorites besides ryan? >> well, ryan was the clear frontrunner, but, obviously, people like john hamm have a lot of fans. >> from "mad men". >> leonardo dicaprio had a tremendous year and brad pitt is a perennial favorite. >> nothing about the situation. i didn't have a chance to look at the magazine yet. >> he does make an appearance, i believe. the rest of the jersey shore fellows will have to try again

next year. >> first thing i thought was, you know, the wife of ryan reynolds who few people may have seen now and again, not only is beautiful and talented, but now she's also married to the sexiest man alive. so, i mean, i think scarlet has just given us one more reason to be jealous of her. >> just one more. as if her beauty and her talent weren't enough. now she has the sexiest man alive as her husband. you know, but, obviously, ryan is a very lucky guy, as well. if we ever did a sexiest woman alive issue, scarlet would certainly be in the running. >> kate, thanks very much. are you familiar with mr. reynolds? >> yeah. i would just say that once in a while everything aligns and i got to tell scarlet, once in a while it proves that women can have it all. >> you go, girl. >> at least for a little while. it's wonderful. i hear that he's really, really nice. so, sexy and nice. give it to me. >> it's so annoying. thank you so much, congresswoman, for sticking

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congressional republicans are pushing to strip the federal reserve of its authority to address unemployment. obviously, this is coming at a critical time. the lawmakers want the central bank to stop worrying about the jobless crisis and focus on insuring stable prices. congressman ron paul joins me now. good to see you. why, why is this an idea that's out there now? >> mainly because central economic planning doesn't work. all central economic planning fails. to give it to a body like the federal reserve to do central economic planning, unemployment and prices and money supply, it's an absurd idea. it was never intended to be that. >> that's in their charter. there are two things their job is in their charter, one is to reduce inflation and one is to focus on jobs. >> it's not in the constitution.

90% of the things that we do up here is not in the constitution. >> it's the purpose for which it was created. there also has been a long tradition, a hallmark of the federal reserve is that it was outside of congress. it was outside of the president. this is an independent organization. >> that's a very bad idea. they established to beat the lender of last resort. that's merle hazard. you can lone money, create bubbles and the fed will always be there to print the money you need. if they need money to fight a war, print the money. if they need the money to run the welfare state, even if you don't tax people, print it out. it's an atrocious organization. >> is the fed the problem or is congress the problem? is washington politics the problem and the money that's being spent. >> it's directly it's not the fed because the fed is created by the congress but the people allowed the congress to do it. they're derelict in their duty to allow this to happen. for a long time they got away with it. the bubbles come from the fed. the inflation comes from the fed. people are waking up.

the last two years there's been a tremendous enlightenment with the people about the danger of the federal reserve pretending they can deal with unemployment. all they know how to do is print money. it doesn't do any good. that's what these last two years have proven. >> in the deficit reduction commission, which came out with a plan that a lot of people have bristled about, both sides, depending on what their particular interests are, is there an argument to be made, congressman, you're in congress, address the problems that congress has, address the spending problem, address the budget problem, address the deficit problem and leave the fed as an independent organization? >> you can't do it, because the fed is the mischiefmaker. the congress is derelict because the fed is always there to bail them out. you can't deal with the central economic planning unless you deal with the fed. it's up to the congress, you're right about that, the congress should cut the spending and not do the things they're not authorized to do and it would be -- get out of all the illegal wars and the welfare business and you'd have all the

employment we want. just think of the trillions of dollars we spend overseas. get rid of the income tax. that's good economic planning as far as i'm concerned. >> is there anything realistic about this proposal, congressman? i say that because when you hear people on both sides, they were campaigning over the last many mon months, we have to get spending under control, then the deficit reduction committee comes out, is it realistic to even bring this up? >> it's not if they think it's a budgetary problem. it's a philosophy of government problem. if the people endorse the principles that we want to run an empire and run a welfare state, we're going to have a central bank inflating the currency to plan the economy, no, it's not going to work. it's not a budgetary problem. the budget is a symptom of this disease. the people have to ask what should the role of government be? the founders ask that question and they detested the king's idea of the government. we got rid of the king.

we introduced new ideas, the ideas of liberty and independent people who would have an incentive. but today, people have grown soft and dependent, believing government can bail them out. but there's an awakening. people are realizing government can't do it. they fail at just about everything they do. they fail at monetary policy, foreign policy, fiscal affairs. but it's not budgetary. you can't just tinker on the edge of what -- we have to come up and waste in fraud and tinker here. we have to ask, what should the role of government be? and there's a good guide. it's called the constitution. they told us what we're allowed to do, article and section 8. everything in there we're allowed to do. >> congressman, thanks for coming over. a controversial proposal for the congress to get involved with the fed. thanks for coming. sheila jackson lee, member of the congressional black caucus came out. she said there is rigorous debate behind closed doors and democracy is taking place at

that leadership we've been following all morning. she says she is sure at the end of the day that the house democratic leadership will reflect the face of die xrersty and there is no evidence of chaos going on, that is according, again, to sheila jackson lee. we will continue to watch the meeting, right here on msnbc. [ male announcer ] 100 potato chips or 100 pringles. both cost the same, but only the pringles superstack can makes everything pop! ♪ ♪ whoa-oh-oh-oh

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