virginia governor bob mcdonnell and joining the company, martin frost, ellen smith and steve kornacki. after 40 years in congress,

the powerful democrat will learn his fate for violating ethics rules. earlier this week, rangel stormed out of his own hearing claiming he needed time to raise money for a lawyer, but the committee went on without him and his punishment will soon be revealed. joining me is congressman elijah cummings. good to see you, congressman. >> good to see you. >> we know that congressman rangel is going to be allowed 30 minutes at the beginning of his hearing to explain his peace. should he apologize and should he use that time? >> the fact is that through unanimous decisions the committee has found him guilty of a number of charges and i think it would be good since he did not have the opportunity to put in a defense. he left the room. now is a good time, i think, for him to just try to explain to the panel exactly what his

feelings are, his concerns are. and i think it's a good opportunity to let the congress also know what those things are. and knowing charlie rangel, he'll do just that. >> will he also apologize? >> i can't predict whether he's going to apologize or not. but i think that he will, he's already said, he had told the congress many, many months ago that he felt that he had done some things that were a bit sloppy and he could have and he basically had said that, you know, look, if you want to convict me for that, you just have to do it. but, again, i think today his charge probably will be to himself just to air his feelings and then the panel, i think, will make a fair and just decision. i think they tried to be fair to him and i believe)that whateve decision they make will be fair and i think it just goes to show

that the system does work. it works and that's the key. >> do you have a sense of what would be fair here? he could face censure and get a reprimand and face a fine. what do you think should happen? >> i'm not privy to all the facts that the committee has. i will look forward to their decision and i think the congress will abide by that. again, they are the fact finders and they have been charged with coming up with the recommendations as far as, you know, punishment and then i have to look forward to what they do. they are basically the judge and jury and they make the decision as to what the penalties should be. >> let me ask you about what happened over the last couple days and with the democrats choosing the same leadership that was in place before. and you know what the critics have said, congressman. they say this was a vote from the american people about change. there's nothing to indicate that the democrats have gotten that

message. there were some people, especially some who, frankly, did not win re-election who had some very pointed and emotional things to say about nancy pelosi in the meeting on tuesday night. she did win re-election or election, i guess, as minority leader. but do you think that having the same leadership in place sends the same message to the american people right now? >> first of all, let's talk about the election. the message that came out of election is that democrats and republicans should work together to try to solve the people's problems. people losing their jobs, people going into foreclosure. people experiencing all kinds of problems. come on, nancy pelosi, speaker pelosi has done, i think, an outstanding job in trying to address those issues. we basically had our republican friends standing on the sidelines throwing spitballs at us as we tried to solve the

problems. and when the hand was offered to them to try to help us to try to accomplish some of these things and a lot of their very provisions were placed inç the health care bill and other bills we could rarely get a single vote from them. so, i'm hoping that the message you, the press seems to often concentrate on the democrats, i think we ought to concentrate, also, on the republicans coming halfway meeting us so that we can address those issues. because the american people, you know, my constituents who are losing their jobs and getting ready many of them to lose their unemployment insurance, they don't want motion and emotion and no results. they want results. and that's what we've got to be all about and that's why speaker pelosi and her team right now are meeting with the president to try to address some of these problems. >> congressman elijah cummings, thank you so much for taking the time to talk to us. >> thank you very much. republicans are using a one-count conviction of a former

gitmo detainee as ammunition for another brutal fight. ghailani could get life in prison for his role in two u.s. embassy bombings but federal prosecutors could only get that guilty verdict on one count out of more than 280 charges. this has opened the door for republicans who are taking shots at the president who would like to try more guantanamo bay prisoners here in civilian courts and not in military tribunals. let's bring in our company. martin frost, gop strategist and steve kornacki. let me start with you, are you concerned about this verdict? do you think it sends the wrong mes message? >> absolutely. it's being panlted as the gop using it as ammo. this is not the gop using this as ammo. it is frankly an embarrassment to the united states judicial system. 224 people were killed and we're sitting here, you know, acting

like this person should be tried as normal civilian. he is a terrorist and he should have been tried as a terrorist. it's just embarrassing. you know, i like "law & order" it's a great show but that defense attorney ought to be ashamed of himself for trying to act like somehow the person was only guilty of the conspiracy oç planning the bombing, but not of actually killing these people, it's an embarrassment, it's awful. >> martin frost, peter king said this. this is a tragic wake-up call to the obama administration to immediately abandon its ill-advised plan to try guantanamo terrorists. does he need to try a rethinking of how these remaining terror suspects are tried. >> two different issues here. one are the 9/11 terrorists. i don't think they ought to be tried in new york. they ought to be tried somewhere else. >> in the military tribunal you think. >> no, not in a military tribunal. in criminal courts. either we believe in the rule of law in this country or we don't and we ought to try these people

in these criminal courts. now, if you have someone that has been captured by our military on the field of battle, say in afghanistan, i don't have any problems trying them in criminal courts, in military tribunals, but everyone else ought to be tried in a criminal court. you can argue about whether the prosecution did a good enough job and argue about decisions the judge made. we have a criminal court system and that's where they ought to be tried. i don't think they should be tried in new york city. >> he talks about 9/11 and the mastermind khalid shaikh mohammed is one that people are looking at and saying where is his trial going to be and when is it going to be? in this case, they had to wait a dozen years. these families. 12 americans were killed in these embassy bombings and their families have been waiting for justice and now you have the folks on 9/11 waiting to see what is going to happen. how is this playing out politically? >> the politics of this issue are always going to be bad for the administration if they push

ahead and insist on civilian trials. emotions always wins out in politics. so, the argument that, hey, these guys, you know, we heard it from princella these guys are hardened terrorists and we're treating them like criminals. when you are a leader, you have to make decisions. you have to make decisions about what you think is right even when it's not popular. we don't have a justice system to just convict the people and takeç people we all agree are d and just convict them and just throw them away. you have a justice system because it only works when the people, you know, when, for instance, in this case eevidence was produced because of torture and judgment was made in the court because the evidence came through torture, it was not admissib admissible. let's be clear. >> we should say that the key witness that was not allowed to testify, there was a lot of belief that he would not have been able to testify in a military tribunal either. >> this was, in the end, a show trial. the administration is going to evoke something called a post

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this morning on "today" show senator murkowski talked about those votes. >> it has taken a little bit of time, but the fact of the matter is, the numbers are what they are. and they clearly indicate that alaskans have not only spoken, they have written it down. >> joe miller isn't giving up, though. he says his camp is still watching the votes and might consider requesting a recount. this morning's gop governors are meeting in san diego. develop a message to push conservative principles. bob mcdonnell joins us live from san diego. governor, good morning. it's good to see you. >> hey, chris, good morning. thanks for having me on. >> from your perspective and talking to your fellow governors, what is the message and how do republican governors go about spreading it? >> we're, obviously, exciting about winning 23 out of the 37 races this year and now going to 29 republican governors, couple more that were just razor thin that we just might have won and i think there is a broad

consensus, chris, that we will govern like we campaign and that is to talk about job creation and economic development and getting our people back to work is a top issue and cutting spending and making sure our priorities are set right and then focusing on some of the things like education and energy that are the things that our people are most concerned about in our respective states. i think you'll see a bold group of republican governors get to work in january and, frankly, try to work with the congress on restoring some balance and federalism so we keep the states doing what they're supposed to do and the government limit to what it's supposed to do. >> a few things we heard this morning and newt gingrich is urging all you republican governors to turn what he calls the rejection of the left into the replacement of the left. and then a little earlier on here on msnbc rick perry from texas was on. let me play for you what he had to say. >> it was pretty exciting to have these new members up here talking about how they're going to work with the congressional delegation to get washington pushed back into that box called

the united states constitution. >> so, it sounds like you're both on the same message. what specifically do you mean when you say that? >> well, if you look at the last two years, chris, and whatç th united states congress did in pushing the envelope on things like card check and cap and trade and federal health care bill and dramatic new unfunded mandates on all the governors, all the states, micromanaging the student loan industry, the financial services industry. i think there's some concern that there's sort of this one size fits all approach from washington that are best for american solutions. that's not what the governors think. democrat or republican i can tell you from talking to many of them that the tenth amendment is still alive and the constitution and the federal government should do and the rest should be left up to the states. so, i think what we're saying on things like job creation policies and tax policies, regulatory policies that those

decisions should be made closer to the people. we need to have a discussion specifically with the congress on what that means, but that's the philosophy, i think, that republicans will pursue. >> also a lot of conversation about who should lead the republican national committee going forward. we've heard from, again, from rick perry. he's throwing his support behind a competitor of michael steele. haley barbour says there should be a new rnc chairman. tim pallenty is concerned about the fund-raising. what do you think should happen at the top? >> i think the republican governor's association showed we know how to run an organization having raised and spent $102 million and winning 23 races and we'd like to see that kind of efe effectiveness at the national committee. michael steele is a good person and helped me tremendously last year when i ran for governor but many of us have great concern about the fiscal state of the rnc and about the lack of effort and effectiveness at the

grassroots ground game. we lost a couple elections that might have made a difference. i think there will be a discussion and i'll talk to my three votes in virginia and get an assessment from them but i think there is broad concern about what we can do to make our party more effective. >> i know governors everywhere, democrats and republican have a tough road ahead and a lot of budget problems and other difficulties. so, good luck to you, governor, thank you for taking the time to talk with us.ç >> great, chris, appreciate being on. thank you. ghailani has been acquitted on hundreds of charges relating to two deadly al qaeda bombings. next, the woman who lost her father and brother in that terrorist attack. north carolina natives jenny foelten and ashley fur worked in the financial industry until both were pink slipped. jenny loved making pickles from her grandmother's recipe, so they went to pickle school and with the help of friends, started miss jenny's pickles,

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he now faces 20 years to life in prison. ghailani was found not guilty in the murders of all 224 people, including edith bartly's brother, jay, and her father, julian. she joins me now. thank you very much for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> what you went through, i can't even imagine and then you hear yesterday about this decision. what goes through your mind? >> as families we were completely stunned. it's really unbelievable to comprehend how this jury could have come to the verdict that they did of guilty of only one count of conspiracy. there was so much evidence before them. we do think that potentially there was confusion over the many stipulations that were useç within these court proceedings, so, therefore, not as much evidence discussed in court. you know, stipulations were fact that were agreed to by both sides. it's a travesty. my father was a career diplomat for nearly 30 years and my

brother was an intern and all these families come from across the country and three african-american families, seven cau caucasian families from all sectors and these are the type of people who serve and work in our american embassies worldwide. and our country has an obligation to go after every terrorist who has committed these heinous acts on humanity and try them to the fullest extent of the law. we also feel strongly that where to try these terrorists should not become a political issue. ghailani was part of the initial indictment in 2001 where four members of al qaeda were tried and convicted in federal court in new york for participating in the bombings of our american embassies in east africa and that was a successful trial. >> as you know, the other side makes an argument and they say, look, first of all, what differentiates us from the terrorists and from much of the rest of the world is our criminal justice system. that they were heard by a jury

of americans who i'm sure took their duties very seriously and all the concerns that were raised about this trial. concerns about security, concerns about the defendant grandstanding and none of these concerns came to pass. so, what do you say to people who say it is the best of america to put them on trial. he was convicted. he will stay behind bars, likely for life, the prosecutors will ask for life. >> yes. and he should be kept behind bars for life. you know, it's unfortunate. we would have liked to have seen this jury find him guilty of all counts as he is. he is guilty of much more than just conspiracy. at the same time, we want to underscore to our advocates in congress, which include both republicans and democrats on both sides of the aisle that this should not be b come a political issue. we've got to come together and fight these terrorists and try them to the fullest extent of the law. in addition to that, our families yesterday was just

verdict and on top of that for the fact that 12 years now we have worked hard to try to get some type of legislation passed on behalf of our families through bipartisan support in both chambers and after 12 years we still have not reached resolution on that. so, on top of that, to have this verdict come out yesterday is heart wrenching. you know, we've got to, as a country, continue to use our resources to track down these terrorists. ghailani, again, part of the original indictment in 2001. he was apprehended in pakistan years later and there were at least 20 people on that original indictment in 2001. so, now we've only had five people who have been tried and convicted for their connection to these embassy bombings. we have to make sure that we get every singal one. it was unconscionable. this was the breaking, really, the starting point for 9/11 and a lot of people don't understand that. it was on american soil and it was al qaeda and half a world

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on everything from taxes to a nuclear treaty, the white house is facing big gop obstacles in this lame duck session of congress. so, if voters sent a message for washington to get things done, where and when does compromise come into the mix? joining me now, congressman mike pentz, republican from indiana. thank you for joining us. >> you bet. >> where does the battle over tax cuts stand right now? do you think there will be compromise over what to do about the richest americans? >> well, look, i think that there's a broad consensus on capitol hill that the last thing we should do in the worst economy in 25 years is raise taxes on anybody. i think that's why you're even hearing many liberals in congress and voices out of the administration talking about a short-term extension. but jim deminlt and i are offering legislation on capitol hill today to say, look, let's offer all the current tax rates permanent and then let's start to work from there toward

putting in place the kind of policies that will really get this economy moving again. i think it's fair to say if the current tax rates were enough to create jobs and generate economic growth, we'd have a growing economy. it's not working now, but at least get some certainty there. >> two or three years for that extension or to make that extension only to not include people over a million dollars. no compromise, you want all tax cuts extended for all people. >> look, i think the november 2nd election was a historic rejection of american liberalism, of a lot of this class war fare rhetoric and the american people said, enough is enough. let's put our fiscal house in order and let's also pursue policies.ç time honored policies that will create jobs. john f. kennedy did it, ronald reagan did it. not only do you not raise taxes in two months or 24 months or 36 months, what you actually want

to do is look to lower marginal tax rates in ways that will encourage investment and create jobs. that's what we ned to be doing. i think the american people voted for change in washington. they voted for change in direction and we ought to be standing with the american people. >> well, one of the things that a lot of republicans believe is part of that change is to repeal health care. we have just heard from mitch mcconnell over on the senate side, the minority leader there that he not only wants to work through congress, but he thinks the federal society can help get health care reform declared unconstitutional. do you think that's the way to go? >> well, look, house republicans are determined to work every day from the outside of this congress to repeal obama care lock, stock and barrel. i do believe that the idea that you can mandate from the federal government that americans purchase goods or services whether they want them or need them or not is unconstitutional. it's being challenged and it's going to make it to the high

court. but when this congress and this administration passed legislation for the first time saying that people had to purchase health insurance product whether they want it or need it or not, i think we crossed an extraordinarily new frontier on the relationship between the national government and the citizens. i would hope the courts would pull that back. but we'll work here in congress to hit the reset button, repeal obama care and start over with health care reform that is build on increasing consumer choice and passing responsible reforms in medical malpractice law, rather than government mandates and government taxes. >> let me ask you, finally, it's going on over on the senate side but something all of capitol hill is talking on and that's the decision on don't ask, don't tell. we have been seeing in poll after poll that more and more americans believe that gays should be able to serve openly in the military. every indication that the big study that was done by the military shows that the vastç

majority of service members and their families don't have a problem with it. where do you stand, sir? >> well, where i stand is i don't believe we should be using the american military or our armed forces to enhance a social agenda or to engage in the practice of domestic politics. look, what we ought to be focused on is, first, we ought to wait and listen to what that survey of our soldiers says. number two, learn the lessons of haddi i history. >> the vast majority don't have a problem with it. >> i would still have a problem with it because there's no question that to main stream home osex homosexuality would have an impact on recruitment and impact on readiness. that's been established and written about and chronicled for many, many years and i believe we need to continue to keep the focus of our military on the mission of the military. don't ask, don't tell was a

compromise back in the earl aef '90s. it's been a successful compromise. we ought to leave it like it is and not run the risk of impacting the readiness of our military or recruitment for our military because of an effort to advance some liberal domestic social agenda. >> congressman pence, thank you for being with us. >> thank you. two airline pilots say the government has gone too far with those new airport screening procedures so they filed a lawsuit and they're challenging the virtual body scanners and those enhanced pat down procedures. it's just the latest in a barrage of complaints from travelers who say these new screening methods are invasive. express jet pilot michael roberts is one of those two pilots suing the tsa and the department of homeland security and john whitehead is his lawyer. mr. whitehead, let me start with you. what is the base of this suit? >> the suit is based on our united states constitution. the fourth amendment which protects american citizens from an unreasonable searches and

procedures. the pat downs are very, very invasive. so, what you have here is that government agents bypassing the fourth amendment and;h(jtu(ur' unreasonable searches and seizures. >> there are some who have differentiated between the two. >> i think it should apply to all american citizens. we're not saying we don't want secure airports. michael roberts went through the metal detector. we want secure airports but we shouldn't use full-body scanners and pat downs as the first method of screening, no. >> michael roberts, as somebody as a pilot who flies more than the average person by far, would you feel skeecure about the ide that there were not these kind of security procedures in place? >> well, i don't consider these security procedures at all. and i would feel much more secure if i didn't have to bare all or be felt up when i go to work every day.

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theknot.com. aren't we all excited about this? >> very excited. >> i am looking at estimates saying this could be a $31 million to $64 million wedding. is that scaling back? >> listen, in terms of royal weddings, that is scaling back. charles and diana wedding was more than that, probably in most cases. the other thing is, most of this budget is going towards the security of the wedding. it is not going to be dump under into the flowers. >> not dump it all on to the taxpayers, but if they had to scale back, where could they do it? >> well, starting with the reception. so, traditionally, the reception is held at buckingham palace and ten amazing decadent courses and, you know, if they do choose to do something like that, they'll probably limit their guest list. they'll keep it real small, intimate and family and closest friends and not going to invite a billion people to their wedding. >> he can't do that, he's the future king. >> that is part of it, yeah. >> what about the wedding caye? i'm looking at this, charles and

diana had 27 different cakes. >> yeah, they had 27 different wedding cakes. one wedding cake will be just fine for them. maybe it will have a lot of tiers, but i'm guessing it's not going to be over the top. >> they have one cake that is not even really real and then they have sheet cakes in the back. it's a lot cheaper. >> i wouldn't say they need to go that far, but that's out there. >> i'm just saying. what about the dress? remember that dress, she looked like the fairy tale princess and 25-foot train. >> she had 10,000 pearls on her wedding dress. >> she was 19. >> she was 19, a younger bride. she was over the top. like '80s glamour time. >> kate seems much more sophisticated. >> she is an older bride and she wears structured, modern outfits and not covered in pearls and diamonds, she may have a crown of sorts, but her wedding dress probably is not going to be as long and not as over the top. it's just not her and it's a sign of the times. >> we talked about security and, you know, look, it's going to be

expensive. the whole royal fampally theilyd heads of state and also bring in a lot of money to the british economy. >> estimates are up to $1 billion in terms of tourism. you think of all those commemorative plates and all the hotel industry and even just the media and the advertising revenues coming out of that. kind of an amazing affair. >> not to forget what might happen here. i have already been reading how some new york city jewelers within hours were producing copies of the ring. so you know once the dress is seen, they're going to be doing the ripoffs of the dress. bridesmaid dress. that money spread out all over the place. where do we think they'll go for their honeymoon? >> somewhere warm i bet. >> the royal yacht. >> that would work well, too. >> great to see you. thank you so much for coming in. well, colonel sanders wants to send one lucky person to college, but he or she will have to be concise. kfc offering a $20,000 scholarship to the most deserving tweeter. tweet in 140 characters or less

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okay. >> i know you want to go on. i want to go back to austan goolsby. not too long ago had the opportunity to do this. >> i want to bring into the conversation austan goolsby. >> how are you? >> i'm well. >> were you thinking number 13. >> i was really meant to say, good to see you again. >> i need girl power here. do you know who is number one? >> russell brand. >> he's beautiful. i think he's deserving. >> you do? >> i think he's a good looking guy. look at those eyes. he's beautiful. >> he's got that -- obviously they thought so. >> how about older guys like harrison ford?

>> i don't think he goes to the nerdy sexy group. >> silver fox. >> always one of the hottest guy group. >> what about steve? >> unfortunatelily this was a salon.com entry. the process wasn't just bringing in nerdy people. nerdiness was one of the factors they felt. other sexy lists don't incorporate and some of the people at salon felt nerdiness can in certain instances be sexy. whether you think austan goolsbee, that's open for discussion. and you have russell brand coming in number one versus ryan reynolds. there was a certain frustration within salon. the "people" list tends to be conventional. >> you were looking at a

thinking woman'sç sexy. >> look at her reaction to russell brand. >> you make some of us feel dated. i went to high school with austan goolsbee's mother in texas. >> you didn't? >> yes, i did. >> he's become one of sexiest man of alive. >> how do you work it into your resume? >> you put it right at the top. >> goolsbee tweeted it yesterday. >> he did not. >> yes he did. >> this was a vicious process, friendships were lost and loyalties were tested. it was fun stuff. >> thank you so much to all of you. that's going to do it for me this hour. see you right back here tomorrow every weekday 10:00 a.m.

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