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plot an exit strategy. but when will u.s. troops be out? the patdown controversy. the tsa is making a key change, but it won't affect flyers during the busiest travel time of the year. deadly mistake, authorities take action after the accidental youth nausea of a hero war dog. gold rush, more people cash in on the rising price of gold, but how do you know you're getting the best price available out there? good morning, everyone. i'm alex witt. it's 8:00 a.m. on the east coast. there we go. we have new developments today on the war in afghanistan as president obama sits down for another day of meetings with nay row leaders in pore you to gal. let's go to nbc's monica kerry live at the white house for us. good saturday morning to you, mike. good morning,el alex. >> what do you know? >> there are two issues on the table here. this is the nato summit, the third international summit he's

had in the last ten days. those issues are the s.t.a.r. treaty and how it's being held up in the united states senate and the u.s. position in afghanistan. it is a nato mission, as you know, and so the countries there are very interested in the outcome and when security is going to be handed over to afghanistan forces. by the end of 2014, the afghan security forces, the goal is now to have them stand up on their own and have them take care of their own security, police and military. you remember, of course, the controversy coming and going, waxing and waning over the course of the last year ever since president obama announced his afghan strategy to have u.s. forces to begin to pull out by july of next year, of 2011. that's still the case, begin to pull out. the emphasis, also now the emphasis on this new end of 2014 and even now, i was just watching a press conference from lisbon before i came out here, nato officials are emphasizing

that they won't leave afghanistan in the lurch if they are is now unable to take over that role. so a little ambiguity there. and on the s.t.a.r.t. treaty, president obama had a meeting with a lot of former national security advisers and experts henry kissinger, a lot of experts there in an effort to demonstrate this is a bipartisan effort to get that arms treaty ratified with russia. it takes two-thirds of the senate, these republicans led by john kyle recognized as an expert on the republican side on arms control who say they don't like the treaty. they wasn't more money for modernization of the nuclear arsenal. president obama had a radio address. he hit them hard again. he's had the backing of many of the nato countries in his effort to get this ratified by the senate. let's hear a little more of what he had to say on this issue. >> the message that i have received from my fellow leaders here at nato could not be

clearer. new start will strengthen our alliance and european security. >> another objection republicans had was a missile shield for europe because of the potential of iranian missiles attacking europe. russia was against it. there was a sticking point all along in the start negotiations. the president announcing as soon as he got to this nato summit that he has come to an agreement with nato on a new missile shield for europe, so that theoretically could remove another impediment to republican objection. alex. >> okay. mike, thank you. we ip vite all of you to watch "meet the press tomorrow." david's guests will include secretary of state hillary clinton and bobby jindal. check your local listings. as nato mits meets today on the direction of the war, the fighting in afghanistan is more fierce than ever. coalition forces are dropping a record number of bombs and missiles and carried out six times as many raids as it did

last year. lester. >> reporter: hi, alex, thanks. we're at bogram air field, a busy place as one of the helicopters from the 33rd air force rescue qusquadron here. these are the folks who go in and pick up the wounded from the battlefield. unfortunately business has been steady for them in recent weeks. one day last week or actually during a three-day period last week, they pulled out at least 60 soldiers who had been wounded or kia, killed in action. so they have been very, very busy here. the word has gotten around this base that there is an exit strategy being talked about n with nato in lisbon. but those who do this mission know they'll likely t be the last to leave. as long as there are marines and soldiers here, there will be units like these to bring them back from the battlefield after

injury. >> lester, thanks for that. a new development regarding the controversial pat-downs and scanne scanners around the country. the transportation security administration is now making a big change. pilots will be exempt from both procedures. nbc's pete williams has these details. >> the new rules were just what pilots like ann poe of south florida were hoping for. she abruptly stopped flying for continental two weeks ago and sued the tsa over full body scanners and physical searchers. >> it's just not right. i don't believe under any condition to be sexually month lefting people and that is what i consider the aggressive patdown that they're doing. >> though 08% of respondents in a recent poll say they do not object to the full body scanners, recent internet trends are objecting to body scanners. ♪ i don't like the tsa

i don't see how they keep me safe ♪ >> we have president bush on the program tonight, so everybody gets patted down. this is your show. >> tell me about it. >> congressman jauk micca of florida is urging airports to switch to private, nongovernment screeners. one florida airport plans to make that change in january, even so private screeners will still be required to follow tsa protocols. the tsa administrator says these measures are necessary to show gaps in security that the government's own tests show were letting too many problems slip through. >> these covert testers were able to get through our security for several reasons, but one of the common denominators was the lack of a thorough patdown. >> but more lawsuits are coming from passengers who claim the new rules are unconstitutional,

violating the fourth amendment's ban on unreasonable searchers. >> before you do these kind of things to american citizens, in the past, there must be a reasonable suspicion that they're involved in some kind of criminal activity. >> courts have generally approved airport security methods, finding that they're justified by the need to maintain security and some legal scholars believe the new regime is likely to be upheld, too. >> that doesn't mean that the judges give a blank check to the government, but it means that they're cautious about stepping in and overturning a regulation that the executive branch thinks is necessary. >> for now, the tsa is considering changes to the full body scanners flagging hidden objects. >> it is a general image and the only display that will then be sloan are the boxes that indicate potential threats that have been found on the body. >> the tsa says now that it's starting to exempt pilots from the screening, it's talking about whether it should do the

same for flight attendantattend. >> thanks for that, pete. 9/11 groundworkers have joined a legal settlement. it wrapped up a seven-year fight. the workers say they were not properly outfitted for rescue and cleanup splice in the aftermath and they have respiratory problems as a result. thousands of people in california without tap water until further notice because of a possible chemical contamination. the water in barstow shows high levels of a chemical found in explosives and it incidenter fears with human hormone glands. boiling or filtering the water doesn't do any good. "the wall street journal" this morning says the fed res preparing charges to expose a culture of insider trading in financial markets. an untold number of investment bankers and hedge fund managers could go facing charges after a

three-year investigation. in the studios of dancing with the stars last night, the fbi is investigating after a envelope with white powder was found in the studio. the letter has been taken to a lab for further testing and no one was hurt. watch out west coasters. heavy snow is coming your way. the first snow hit nevada and could drop several pooem feet around lay tahoe. resident necessary montana and wyoming are in fo for a snowy weekend. accumulation began in billings, montana, yesterday. for the complete national weather forecast, let's go bill carins. good saturday morning to you, bill. >> a great saturday morning to you, alex. today, it's all about the west coast. snow in the elevations and rain for areas that don't typically see a lot of it. if you're waking up with us along the eastern seaboard,

tennessee to texas, no problems for you today at all. it's in the west that we have the rain and the snow. we have a couple different storms systems moving their way into the west. a lot of snow for the high elevations, great for the ski resorts. one area today with rain on and off, los angeles to santa maria, southward, san diego will see rain today and snow in the high elevations of the mountains outside of l.a. and especially in the central sierra region. of course, that is ski country out there. from tahoe southward, that's why we're going to see the heaviest snow. we're predicting the possibility, you see the blue area near the middle, that's 24 inches of snow. so they could see 2 to 4 feet at the highest of elevations in central california. this is the first big snowstorm of the season for them. so today's forecast, a lot of rain from seattle southward to san francisco, even l.a. with a chance of rain on and off today.

tomorrow doesn't look much better. it's a murky weekend in much of the west, alex. don't expect anything too treacherous unless you're heading up into ski country. thank you. >> thank you for that, bill karins. thanksgiving is usually a good way to increase your waistline at the dinner taip table, but this year's costs could make your waist slimmer as the prices go up. >> thanksgiving dinner, how expensive is it? >> it's getting a little bit more. expected to be up by 1.3% according to the american farm federation bureau. which is a marginal increase. if you have a family of ten, average cost of 12 items, only $12.45 a person which isn't that bad. if you consider the store promotions or the coupons, you could bring that down some more. >> why is it up? >> i think the biggest contributor is milk. that is up. this is the time of year when you use heavy cream. milk. so you've got your pie costs, your flour, your eggs. those are all up.

pumpkin pies are more expensive this year. and if you are doing a veggie platter before you sit down, potatoes, carrots, celery, whatever else, sweet potatoes. the biggest contributor would be milk, up 38 cents from a year ago. >> is there anything that's cheaper? >> the centerpiece of the meal. the turkey is down by $1.10 a pound. 16-pound turkey coming in at $17.66. that's down. peas are down at 14 cents a pound. and cubed bread stuffing and cranberry prices are stable. your waistline, however, will increase. >> but again, four what a person on average? >> not bad, $4.35 a person. if you take in the coupons or the deals that some of these grocery stores have, you could bring that down. relative to what some of these other things cost, that's the cost of a couple fast food meals. >> and it's usually two meals and some leftovers. >> that's true. >> you never want to see turkey again, but then the next day you

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big news this morning about those controversial pat-downs and revealing body scanners at airports. the tsa has agreed to let airline pilots skip those procedures by showing photo i.d.s instead. but the backlash continues with many passengers furious about

the new techniques. >> my personal space, my body. >> i felt violated. >> and used her hand to go up my skirt. >> is this just going to take us down to eventually we're like, well, we can't scan you because that doesn't work. you're going to come in, take awl your clothes off. >> joining me now, tom blank. tom, good morning to you. >> good morning, alex. how are you? >> i'm well, thanks. i hope you are, too. there are a lot of people hot and bothered about this. 81% of americans are actually okay with the use of these full body scanners the only 15% of those are the hot and bothered that i was referring to and object to it all. what is your take on these new security procedures and the tsa's side to all this? what is the tsa saying? >> well, i think we have to understand that when tsa was created in 2001, the congress gave them very broad and deep authorities to spons respond on an immediate basis to threats that show up in intelligence and

vulnerabilities that they identify. and that's what we're seeing happen here. let's keep some perspective. tsa is screening some 2 million people every single day of the week. while there are some instances where things aren't going exactly as we would hope, the vast majority of people are accepting the new body imaging technology, the vast majority of people are going along with the pat-downs when they're deemed necessary. and i think what we've come to see is that tsa isn't doing this for some random or silly reason. we know terrorist chatter goes up during the holidays. it's a high risk season. we know they probably have some intelligence, they've identified some vulnerabilities. they've tried to identify explosives from moving through the checkpoint and prevent planes from being blown out of the air. >> tom, given that it is more than nine years since 9/11, do you think americans have lost

sight of the threat that the terrorists pose? >> there's a certain element of truth to that, i think. and i think that we constantly need to be reminded that the threat is real, the threat is ongoing, and, really, the threat is every day. and we see instances of that in the underwear bomber, in the shoe bomber and we see it from other incidents that occur around the world. >> tom, do you see any alternative to the, you know, enhanced screenings and the invasive pat-downs? any other option there to be employed? >> absolutely. if i have any criticism of the tsa, it has been that they have been too slow to invest in the next generation of the body imaging technology. that next generation will show a stick figure, nothing identifiable about the passenger. it will identify where the threat is on the body so that there's no further need for a full body patdown. you can examine that area of the body where the potential threat object or contra band shows up.

and tsa knows that this is where they want to go. it says that's where they want to go. but frankly, they spent too many years lagging behind, making the investment to get us there. >> tom, what do you think about the tsa making the exemption for pilots? i'm just going to say, first thing that came to mind, while i appreciate what the pilots do and don't want to make them late for planes, i start getting cynical and i think, wow, all a terrorist has to do is impersonate a pilot now. >> well, i think the timing for doing that is right. if you dial back to 9/11, b what you find is that tsa wanted the pilots to be leaders by example of the security regime that was put in place. the agency wanted the american public to see everybody having to go through the screening process, pilots and flight attendants included. in reality as we move forward, pilots are heavily vetted to get their pilot's license.

they're heavily vetted to keep their pilot's license. they are subject to ongone background testing. i think you'll see them introduce some biometric identification procedures, as well. so i think the timing is right to let the pilots move around the screening, take some additional pressure off the checkpoints and acknowledge that they don't really pose much of a threat. >> tom blank, thank you so much. >> thanks, alex. a new development in the case of a war hero dog being euthanized. ♪ trouble, trouble trouble, trouble ♪ ♪ trouble been doggin' my soul ♪ since the day i was born ♪ worry ♪ oh, worry, worry worry, worry ♪ [ announcer ] when it comes to things you care about, leave nothing to chance. travelers. take the scary out of life.

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i'm alex witt. here are the top stories at the bottom of the hour for you. a winter storm continues to pound parts of the western u.s. parts of northern california and nevada are seeing up to six feet of snow in higher elevation. we'll get to that gold story in just a moment. parts of wyoming and washington state and oregon are in store for more snow. iranian state television showed video purporting to show other successful air missile launches. pope benedict formerly created 24 new cardinals. many much arch bishops across asia, africa, and the americas. up until yesterday, it was a good week to be royal. a wedding does wonders for the monarchy. an interview in an interview with dateline for the moment at least has changed a bit of that.

stephanie is live in london with more for us. stephanie, good morning. >> reporter: good morning, alex. well, you know, what happened was in that interview, brian williams asked the prince whether the duchess of cornwall, his wife, will become queen when he becomes king. and this has been a contentious issue and it was when he married camilla back in 2005. at the time, she was deeply unpopular. people here associated her with the reason for his divorce to diana. so the palace came out and said that she would not be called the princess of whales, which was diana's title, obviously, and says she would be known aspirin sess contort instead of queen. so when he said it was a possibility that she could become queen, it ignited a firestorm here in the west, there are headlines in the saying queen camilla, there's uncertainty as to whether he's

been trying to lobby for that title for her. all of this comes after a great week for the royal family here. britain's extremely excited about this engagement. it would -- you know, it came a bit unexpectedly. people weren't speccing it this early. you saw a beaming couple. and they really threw themselves out there in a way that they basically had been running away from the press for years now. they came out and talked. they really talked this week and people got a good sense of who they were. alex. >> all right. now, stephanie, you know, i remember covering the prince charles and camilla parker bowles wedding there five years or plus now. at that time, the sentiment was so tremendously against camilla, i even remember the radio reports that morning and people still talking about diana. do you think, though, in this passage of time, that has tempered somewhat and people do see him as being happy, even prince william seems to see his father as being happy and

endorses that marriage. >> i think even more than somewhat, alex. i think that her popularity has been on the rise over the years. she really has appealed to a lot of people here in the way that she's conducted herself and there is some genuine good feeling towards her and perhaps there would be a bit more acceptance of it. but as you say, its was such a contentious issue back then. and it's interesting because it's actually a constitutional issue in this country. she will be, whether they call her queen contort or not, she is going the be queen contort. it's an issue of semantics, really. she would have to change the constitution for her not to be that. you can see there's a bit of confusion and perhaps something of a pr attempt to make sure that the public is okay with her title, whatever it may be in the end. alex. >> what about the perennial discussion about prince charles stepping aside and letting

willi william, you know, succeed queen elizabeth on the throne. you don't get the feeling that's something that he's considering. >> no, it doesn't seem like he's going to advocate his throne to his son. you know, the issue also is at what point will he become king? when will the queen die? and, you know, women in her family live long lives. she could be around for another 20 years and whether or not he's willing at that point to advocate to his son. there some people in this country that feel that because of prince charles and his marriage tied to diana, which ended in divorce and the scandal with camilla, that that somehow tainted the royal family in the early 90s. and that to move away from that and to start with a clean slate, that it would be wonderful if he would advocate the throne to his son who is not coming in with any of that baggage. but it seems a very unlikely event. >> all right. stephanie goes, right there outside of buckingham palace,

stephanie, thank you. so it's been a tough november for democrats and now there's word that frustration is boiling over. a politico site says according to one senator, it was the most frank exchange of views i've ever seen. in the words of another, it was a raucouk caucus. jim is here in new york. it's really nice to have you here. >> raucous caucus, i love that. let's go party. >> no, let's get through this first. you've watched president obama over the years. do you think he is different now? has his leadership style changed since being at 1600 pennsylvania avenue? >> i'm not sure the style has changed, but the context is so dramatically different. going from the minor leagues in state politics to now a job where you've got a couple of wars to deal with and the worst recession in many decades. but as far as the operandi, i think he's been consistent, a

cool customer, something academic about him which can put some people off. the guy is very concerned about what actually would work, a little will it less idealogical than some would have it. his former chief of staff now running for mayor, rahm emanuel. >> when you look at this criticism coming at him from his own party, people like the normally mild mannered bill nelson of florida, what does that say? >> it's sale saying he's got a bunch of problems in his own raucous caucus, clearly. but i think he has to make a couple of points. guys, i'm not jean sus. i'm moses. if you want to get to milk and honey, you better come along with me and you better look into the mirror to the extent that you guys have caused a lot of problems yourself. the public vote on november 2nd had a lot to do with people venting rage at congress, not obama whose ratings are better than those folks. so i think he has to tell all of them, listen, we've got to get

on the same page and right now it's obvious on extending those tax cuts. democrats are not. >> less straightforward is the wait on the health care plan. you've got moderates upset, liberals that think this hasn't gone far enough. how does the president play that? >> well, i think he plays it, again, reminding them, sort of like bill clinton back in the mid '90s that your fortunes first and foremost, guys, are tied to me, not the other way around. i'm not popular than you guys are. and guys on the left, we're not going to be able to simply spend our way to nur vana and we simply can't flash their way to nirvana. yes, the public thinks we've been spending way too much. but the public is going to know, particularly on the state level that we've discussed before like with unemployment insurance running out, that their real life ramifications of some of this slashing. i think he has to use the bully pull pit to say there's some smart things we can do to cut and there's some dumb things to

do which we can avoid. >> the latest polling shows that the american public is pretty split on the job performance, the approval there. look at that. 47%, 47%. that's pretty even there. do you think white house officials look at that and say considering this terrible economy, that they're lucky to have numbers even that good? >> yeah. i think they look at history, look at reagan and clinton and other presidents at this time, this is comparable. not a lot better, but certainly not a lot worse than folks. and they also say look at those same people are saying about congress. >> it could have been worse. >> knock on wood for that if you're in the white house. >> okay. jim, thanks for showing up here in the studio. it was fun. new this morning, nato has formally agreed to hand over security to the afghans in 2014. this is in line with the president's plan for u.s. forces who are slated to begin withdrawing from afghanistan next july. earlier this morning, i spoke with retired army general

mccaffrey who says 2014 handover date reflects good political strategy on the part of the president. >> the president had to keep his nato allies in the game. the canadians are coming outs, the dutch, the germans may be coming out next. the uk may be talking about withdraw. this is a message clearly received in europe. secondly, i think the american people have had it. this is an $8 billion a month war. they had to reassure the american people there was some exit strategy. it is unrelated, i would argue, however, to what's actually going on in afghanistan. >> we are going to have a live report from lester holt who is at bagram airfield in afghanistan. the mystery surrounding the murder of a hollywood publicist is growing this morning. funeral services are scheduled for tomorrow for ronnie chason. the mayor of beverly hills says he thinks the shots that killed the 64-year-old came from an suv. let's get the details now from

michelle sigona. michelle, good morning. this is a perplexing one. i'm curious about what you're hearing as the latest in this investigation and what is the involvement of an suv? >> i spoke with the watch commander at beverly hills mrils department this morning. at this particular point, there have been no arrests that have been made, no suspects, no suspect details that have been made public as of yet. and as far as the suv information, from a lot of reports that have been published, investigators are sort of backing away from that because that's what the mayor had said. they want to keen an open mind, an open focus in this case. they don't want to kind oh of release a lot of those detailed nuggets that can sometimes harm an investigation because they want everyone to come forward with leads with an open mind. >> here is one thing that the hollywood reporter does have out there. it quotes an official saying police believe the killing was planned in advance. how would that affect the search for suspects? >> i think it's interesting in a lot of these cases, alex,

because sometimes if someone is shot and killed and it's random and investigators really don't have anything to go on. if this, in fact, happened to be something that was planned in advance, authorities sort of are one step ahead in a way because they'll be able to go through, comb all of her personal reports records, start interviewing those in her inner circle and working there way up, trying to figure out where there were bumps in the road, who had any problems with her, if any, and work there investigation from that point if it was planned. >> and how about the funeral service tomorrow? >> the funeral service is at 11:00 a.m. tomorrow and this is going to be at the hillside memorial park and mortuary. all contributions for her can be made to the tower research center. there is a $125,000 reward for information leading to the person or persons that may have done this to her. >> just a shocking story. michelle sigona, thank you so

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cats were taken out. the homeowners appeared to have good intentions by running a cat adoption operation. several environmental activityivists hold protests, make movies and then there are those who take it to the extreme. take mt. everest. that is where a explorer has decided to make his mark. joining us now, eric larson back from mt. everest and having lived my dream. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> so these trips take almost two months, eric. you've done three of them in a year. that's a record. why the feat and why not something else a little more timid? >> well, i wanted to tell the story of what i call the last great frozen places left on the planet, antarctica, the himalayan plateau. and i wanted to do something dramatic to get people's attention to show them how much they're changing and ultimately

what they can do to protect those places. >> and what we're hearing from the "wall street journal" is that thick ice in the north pole lasting two years or more is down 10%. we have pictures of you there. tell us what you saw. >> well, the arctic ocean is a dynamic environment and it's basically sheets of ice floating on the water and they're moving around and breaking up. but what i noticed this year from the previous trip i did about four years ago was the ice was substantially thinner, there was more open water and the ice was also rough her, which was an indication of overall ice thinness, as well. >> and on the heels of that, you talk about 2040 being a dangerous year. why? >> scientists estimate that the arctic ocean will be ice free in the summer of 2040. amazingly enough, that ice was much greater just a few areas ago. so scientist's understanding of the changes happening there are increasing daily almost. >> you know there are critics out there and they say all this is unfounded. what is it about your statistics

or the scientists that you're backing that makes you think you have it right? >> it's basically science. either you believe in the fundamental principals of science or you don't. the same methods that are used to describe gravity are employed to describe climate change. what about former vice president al gore who says you have to turn the ear on us, the media has failed on climate crisis coverage. have we? >> well, i don't like to throw stones, but i feel that it's important to discuss this not as a debate, but as fact. again, these are theories and a theory is basically our best understanding of what is happening today. and we also need to be less focused on just evidence because the evidence has been very apparent for over the last decade and we need to be really more focused on solutions, either as individuals or as a nation. >> hey, eric, can you figure out who benefits from putting that information out there if it is misinformation that we're not in the kind of global problems that

we believe to be? >> i don't know who benefits, but i think the debate has turned into a values debate and it really doesn't have to be that way. it should be more, again, about solutions. >> okay. well, eric larson, just back from mt. everest. well done, congratulations. thanks for speaking with us. >> thank you. new revelations from sarah palin in her upcoming new book, including what she decided to give up for one year. for events to come. well somewhere along the way, emily went right on living. but you see, with the help of her raymond james financial advisor, she had planned for every eventuality. which meant she continued to have the means to live on... even at the ripe old age of 187. life well planned. see what a raymond james advisor can do for you.

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it appears sayre sarah palin the author is about to have a new book on stands, "reflects of the heart." a lot of people are wondering whether palin's reflects are part of a 2012 platform. she writes, we're worried that our leaders don't believe what we believe, that america is an exceptional nation, the shining city of a hill that ronald

reagan believed it is. we want leaders who share this fundamental belief. we deserve such leaders. >> what do you think she is saying? is palin saying that she's the leader we deserve? >> i think she is. i think she feels that way some mccain picked her as his running mate. >> so this book, can you compare it to going rogue? >> i think so. she's made a lot more money now and she's more famous than she was then. but it's the same tone. through picking some sort of surprising swipes at people, people like everyone from michelle obama to eric holder to the "american idol" contestants. >> the michelle obama one is the one i want to pick up with you now. it reads, quote, she said during the 2008 campaign that she had never felt proud of her country since her husband started winning elections. in retrospect, i guess this shouldn't surprise us since for

almost two decades, both of them spend in the pews of the reverend jeremiah wright's church listening to his rants against america and the white people. >> she was frustrated that john mccain said we would not bring up right and she thought right was something you could go after obama on. >> and mccain didn't bring it up because he didn't believe it would bring him any brownie points, right? >> exactly. >> is there anything different out there for sarah palin? >> i think sarah palin thinks it would be a different climate. this adds to her belief that she's not the right man to be president. >> getting inside of sarah palin, she admits she's a fan of juneau, knocked up, and she likes simon cowell says saying he is, quote, almost alone in his willingness to tell hard truths.

>> hard truth, simon cowell. he's not a politician. he's just a guy on a tv reality show. >> which is what sarah palin is right now. she resinates with him a bit. and i think that, you know, simon cowell's show for palin is sort of symbolism of how we have a self-esteem problem in america, a problem that she doesn't suffer from, of course. >> lucas whitman, thank you so much. president obama takes a break from nato meetings.

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