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now this is expected to go through, but more important than that, it will set the tone for what could happen in the house. here's what one of the president's fiercest democratic critics told me last hour. >> i want to know when politicians are going to stop promising americans all of this stuff and sit down and do the job they were hired to do which is get america back on track. >> luke russert live on capitol hill. what's it look like? how is this going to go down today? >> reporter: good morning, chris. hope you're doing well. around 3:00 p.m. today you'll see a vote in the senate, a cloture vote that wants to bring the vote to a final vote. this is a procedural measure to say everything's been tied up, we're going forward. one thing that's not clear, whether any amendments added to the bill. we don't eng pexpect anything e shattering. after the president announced the major pieces within the legislation of what was going forward they wouldn't alter it

too much. if anything, the vote at 3:00 p.m. is a test vote, we'll get to see which republicans are opposed to, which democrats are opposed to it, whether or not it could really in any way stop the bill from going forward. we don't expect that to be the case. we expect to move forward smoothly with a final vote in the senate most likely tomorrow. it goes to the house wednesday, thursday, possibly as late as friday. chris van hollen, one of the fiercest critic of the president's compromise said this past weekend, they won't do anything to hold this bill up in the house. he would like to see something different and house liberal democrats would like to see something with the estate tax. most likely not going to happen because when joe biden said, take it or leave it. there will be upset house democrats. but i said last week, which day will be the pivot day they say at the end of the day this has to go forward because they have to appease the president, probably wednesday, thursday, friday. be well. >> let's bring in our company.

patrick gavin, galina espinoza and jim gilmore. patrick, is this how you see it, what the vice president said, i don't know, five days ago, is going to hold, what you see is what you get, or could there be, if the vote in the senate is close, could the house push through amendments? >> well, i think as we've seen so far, it's very hard to predict what's going to happen and what surprises are around the corner. i do, however, think that though a lot of folks here in washington thought that it was perhaps overly aggressive pr stunt the white house's campaign the past week sending out tons of the e-mails to reporters saying, the mayor of charlotte or somebody else supports this bill and of course we saw with bill clinton pushing for it may in fact have won. the reality is that what you're seeing from a lot of democrats like chris van hollen and others is that they are trying to position themselves in the sound bite war for the next election, the reality is, is that a lot of democrats are looking at this

issue, even if they support it, as a way to support of position themselves in 2012 to say if the economy hasn't rebounded, if in fact the deficit hasn't shrufrpg, they can say, look, we voted for this in order to say -- >> are you suggesting that they're putting politics in front of their own beliefs? that is what you're suggesting here? >> well, ooh i think that certainly nothing -- >> on monday morning? >> nothing new to washington, d.c. but on the one hand they want a compromise, they don't want to get in the fight with the white house. let's be honest, when you say you are extending tax cuts for the upper income americans it doesn't play well. they have do be careful they come off fighting for the little guy, too. >> you're a republican, you have had to deal with financial issues, with a big state budget, you've had to deal with federal mandates. we've seen a lot of different people coming out in favor of this, including aarp, including former president bill clinton.

do you think that all in all, this is a good compromise? >> i think that it's a compromise that could have been better. >> could have been better as in not giving the wealthy tax cuts or could have been better -- >> no, no, no. i think it was a politics aside, we've got to focus on the future of the country. and what's in the best interest of the future of the country. let me just say, i think that we need to recapture the spirit of america, which says that we are going to allow people to acquire some things and entrepreneurship to bloom, and people to be able to get jobs and to be able to acquire some wealth. that's what's always made america since the founding of receipt public. we've got to get back to that. as far as this compromise, congress think it shouldn't have been two years for an extension of the tax cuts, we think it should have been three. you've got to send more of a sense of stability into the economy. more sense of growth and opportunity and a sense that there's a real chance to do something going forward in the future. >> of course, the big concern is that the price we're paying is

$900 billion added to the deficit. look at latino magazine, you get a sense of what sort of the average middle class working american, that is really on their radar? if their taxes go up or they actually go down and see movement, that is what matters here? >> i think the deficit does mat. >> it does? >> i think the average american is painfully aware because we're seeing the repercussions of carrying all of this debt. it absolutely impacts on our economic growth. so i think that while there are some wins for the middle class in this compromise, we're extending unemployment benefits, there will be a tax cut for middle class families, a reduction in the rate of social security payroll tax. a lie there's a lot of anger when you talk about the estate tax, fewer than 50,000 families are going to be benefited by this and they're the wealthiest americans in this country. is that really a priority right now given the state of compete? >> chris, i want to come back to

something here. we keep talking about the deficit, the deficit. i care more about the deficit than anybody. but we don't have a revenue problem in the country. we have a spending problem. if you cut spending down $800 billion you're not increasing the debt and not increasing the defic deficit. how do you put together a program to get into the budget and have a bipartisan effort to reduce this spending. then you don't have an increased debt. >> i have yet to hear anyone saying what they're going to cut. and i think that's a big problem. all of this talk about taxes, where are the spending cuts coming from? no one's addressing that. it's a really difficult, complicated issue that no one wants to talk. >> we're going to continue to talk about this. boy, it's cold in a lot of the nation. a deep freeze. indiana, up to 20 inches of sno expe expected. some have been stuck 12 hours.

in illinois the winter storm in the midwest crippled the commute for travelers. snow and ice made for treacherous conditions. vehicles totalled, more than 1600 flights canceled at o'hare in chicago. up in michigan, roadside crews responding to thousands of calls after winter's big blast. six deaths so far blamed on this weather in the midwest. ohio continues to find itself wrapped in the clutches of a major winter storm. the weather channel's meteorologist mike seidel joins me from near my hometown, in beach wood, ohio. this is why i left, to be honest with you. this is why i left. better you there than me. >> reporter: i didn't know you were from this area. >> i am. >>. >> reporter: shashg heights, beachwood. >> shout out to fairport harbor. >> reporter: fairport harbor, come on down. it's like lloyd lindsay young. >> through the snow. >> reporter: okay.

okay. chris, here we go. this is 471, you know it well, east side of cleveland. we've got a break, visibility has come up to a quarter mile an hour. whiteout conditions at times, schools closed. three fatales in the area due to highway crashes. and one to two feet of snow from the system, lake effect, between what fell last night, this morning, and through tomorrow. some of the snowbelts will get as much as two feet. southwest to new york state a foot or more of snow in west virginia. six to seven inches in north carolina. it snowed in atlanta. international falls, 31 below zero. no windchill there. and another hard freeze tomorrow morning. a good deal of florida, not only tomorrow, but watching wednesday, for those agricultural interests. east of the rockies, basically, it's pretty darn cold. and lake effect will continue for two more days. chris? back to you from your stomping grounds. >> are they going to keep you in

ohio? are they going to make you stay there or move you around? i can send you to my brother's house, because he gets lots of snow and makes good soup. >> reporter: really? let's talk. >> he says he's going to have three feet in the next couple of days. that might be a good place to hole up. i'm just saying. >> reporter: we'll be back on the air tomorrow and head back to atlanta wednesday. there's a new wrinkle in the weather map for next weekend along the east coast. details to be sorted out. things could get dicey saturday and sunday up your way. >> okay. mike seidel, thanks so much. talking about the death of ponzi schemer bern nay mie mado eldest son ruled a suicide. he hanged himself with a dog leash saturday, the second anniversary of his father's arrest. also last day for people to file legal claims to try to get some of their money back. and didn't the midterm elections just end? well, now thanks to the supreme court, politicians and would-be

politicians are looking for new ways to raise money for 2012. the way they're doing it is quickly becoming the new normal. richard lui has been looking at this. what's it look like? >> chris, they can spend almost without limit these groups we're talking about and some don't have to disclose where they're getting money from. now those who are against these types of groups may start using them. could switching to geico really save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance? does a former drill sergeant make a terrible therapist?

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barely a month after the record-breaking midterms, $4 billion in campaign spending, the fight for 2012 money has already begun. richard lieuy has been looking into this. this is something we haven't really seen before. >> no, we haven't. as one political consultant was

saying in "the l.a. times," thanksgiving or christmas are not off-limits now. it's two years to go yet. the focus, independent expenditure-only committees. in 2010, about 10% of the $4 billion that were spent came from these types of committee. these groups are the new financial weapon of choice because they can spend money almost without limit to help candidates that they support without being connected to that candidate. and they can also raise from unions and corporations because of that supreme court ruling that happened in january. so this is pretty new. there's also this issue to consider. do the groups disclose who their donors are? well, as a 527 group, they do, as a 501c4, they not have to disclose where they're getting the money. as the 112th congress gathers many are looking to 2012 taking part in the fund-raising arms race by setting up their own

group. democrats criticize the groups because of growing influence over the midterms. three weeks after the midterm american bridge was formed to help democrats and here's the chair of that group. >> our campaign should be open, they should not be dominated by money. i'm not going to sit by the side and wait for the republicans to outspend us as they did in the last election by $70 million. we have to fight back. >> interesting there. the fund-raising season has begun. here's an invitation for a $5,000 event this past weekend with democrat carolyn maloney. this other invitation, republican susan collins, if you join her for her birthday gig she'll get $1,000 for each attendee later today. we are starting. again, it's only christmas. >> not even christmas. >> that's right. >> thank you. let's bring back in patrick, galina and jim. jim, governor, i don't know if you remember what the most is

you ever spent on a campaign, but do you think it's getting out of hand? i mean, is the sky the limit here? >> you know, i've always believed that you ought to be permitted to participate financially in a political campaign without all of these limits. limits are making it difficult to level the playing field. the new guy on the block doesn't have all of those people that want to give him money and he's got to find money. to me the dischoice sure is the key. you take what you can get, you disclose it, everybody can see who's giving you money. >> the republican groups, ones founded by karl rove, those folks should have disclosed where the money's coming from? >> there should be a law that should say we should have maximum disclosure of donors to the press and citizens can see who's financing the campaign. the heart of the problem is it's so dog gone expensive to run for office. no tv stations are giving away

ads so you've got to pay for it, and people will continue to find ways to get on camera, get their message out, and that's a part of the discourse in american political society. >> one of the other things that kathleen kennedy townsend said her group was going to disclose who their donors are. is that what we're going to see on the democratic side? are they going to reveal all of their donors? where is this disclosure thing going? >> i doubt it. unless the law changes, what you're seeing if we can't beat them, join them type of mentality. until this law is off the books, both groups are going to try to exploit it. democrats were blindsided this past election by that law and the fund-raising it allowed republicans to do. and they don't want that to happen again in 2012. i think what's interesting, a lot of people have been in d.c. for a long time say that part of the reason d.c.'s so partisan is because people don't hang out anymore. politicians get a glass of wine and a bite to eat after work. part of the reason is they spend

so mump time fund-raising, they're in permanent campaign mode. wonder if one underreported and not as discussed side effect of the law people -- lawmakers are not hanging out with lawmakers. talked about compromising in the last segment. part of the reason they don't share a steak dinner after a day at the office they are constantly trying to raise money. >> you make a good point. it is, i think, you know, a lot of these groups are hiding behind the fact that it's legal. there's legal and there's right. there's legal and there's ethical. i mean, unless the law changes, as governor gilmore suggests, i don't see what's happening changing. i don't see all of a sudden that our campaigns are going to get less expensive or know where the money's coming from, do you? >> it would be nice to think the politicians do the right thing, not the legal thing. to the governor's point, unless there's a law forcing them to do it they're going to do as much as they can get away with, the

ones who suffer are the american people. >> and the restaurants because they're not going out for dinner. we've been covering this violent storm that slammed into the cruise ship in the eastern mediterranean. the passengers and the cruise line have different stories about what happened. a spokesman for the ship say there's was minor damage, no serious injuries but this is how lisa described her experience to me earlier. >> heard people screaming. i heard things flying. all i was trying to do was get in my mom's room. i thought we were going to die. everybody did. everybody did. >> michael solen, also a passenger on that ship which, by the way, still out at sea. he joins me on the phone. michael, how are you doing? what was your experience? >> it was horrifying. you know, it's my opinion that the captain of the ship used poor judgment. we should never have left rods.

when we started to take off, he said we're going to experience severe weather conditions, high seas, and that we did, you know. as he was pulling into alexandria, he made a mistang and he came on the intercom afterwards and said that he made a mistake. he lowered the speed down to a point where the stabilizers became ineffective and what happened that caused the ship to roll, according to his comments, the ship rolled as high as -- on either side. what it did it caused turmoil in the cabins. you can hear throughout the whole hallway things falling all over the place. my wife, eileen, got wedged -- she was thrown off the bed and wedged between the sliding door leading on to the balcony and the bed. night tables were flying everywhere. the chairs were flying everywhere. it was 20 minutes of pure hell.

it was awful. and today -- >> did you feel as the previous guest did that your life was in danger at some point? >> most definitely. the ship -- we're on the seventh deck and we were almost touching the water. that's how bad the ship tilted. you know, we said our good-byes to each other because we thought that it was it, we thought it was over. >> unbelievable. michael, it's good of you to take the time to talk to us and stay in touch, will you? we want to hear how you're doing if you can give us a call tomorrow. >> okay. >> michael solin, thank you so much. time for the "your business" entrepreneur of the week. brian jones loved the holiday movie "a christmas story" after licensing right his started selling versions of the iconic leg lamp and used the profits to turn the cleveland house where the mop movie was filmed into a museum. for more, watch "your business" sunday mornings at 7:30 on msnbc.

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>> a suicide bomber killed six u.s. soldiers in southern afghanistan sunday. that attack comes as the white house prepares to issue a review of the war strategy. the deadly bombing is part of a strike of insurgent bombing in the south. since forces arrived september 20th, 43 american troops have

been killed by comparison in the 3 1/2 years while british troops were stationed there, they lost 76 soldiers. with me now, u.s. navy reservist eric peel. thank you for coming in. general petraeus spoke recently about the progress nato forces are making the south, and then we're getting reports about how difficult it's been for the u.s. since they moved and took over for british forces. what's going on over there? >> well, especially in the south, it's more active presence. you look at the casualties numbers you just cited the u.s. is taking the fight to the taliban, so with that more active presence, more engagement time, more casualties. >> that's surprise you pay for getting into the trenches more? >> absolutely, it's risk/reward. >> why hasn't it become the center point? why has the south been so difficult? >> look at the geographical region, you have kandahar, they border pakistan. the taliban is able to go back

and forth, get funding, get weapons, have their sanctuary and come back. and historically, too, it's a stronghold of the taliban. >> and the taliban, for them, that's they got a cash crop known as opium in the region. >> that, they do. >> what are the major problems with the taliban stepping up attack there's? is it largely to protection that farming? >> well, it certainly is a cash crop for them. the problems that we might face, and as we saw with the bombing recently, is there are more and more outposts between the u.s. and the afghans. the six deaths that occurred were in a mud hut. these are mud building. they're a strong structure but they can't maintain a blast like that, and if you engage a more actively, you can't create strong bases every single place you go. the u.s. troops will be naked from certain places where they go. >> what do you expect to see in

the assessment? any shift in strategy? we're hearing it's going to be pretty sure they're going to push the date back to 2014, it's not likely the u.s. troops will get out before 2014? >> i think i have a better chance at picking the super bowl than predicting what's going to happen from the meeting. i'd be inclined to think nothing's going to change though if casualties mount, a center of gravity for the u.s. is public opinion. we'll have to wait and see. >> good of you to come in. thanks very much. >> thank you. what i'll say, i've been keeping the first lady waiting for about half an hour. so i'm going to take off. >> i don't want to make her mad, please go. >> president obama bringing out the original charmer in chief, former president bill clinton, working to sell that tax cut deal. will the clinton endorsement and other moves to woo both sides on the deal work? [ sneezes ] client's here.

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my husband worked very hard to make sure that this bill was a priority in the session, and i am grateful to you. >> because i would have been sleeping on the couch. >> but i am thrilled to be here -- we won't go into that. >> that was a sweet moment. that was president obama, the first lady a short time ago, as he signed the child nutrition bill. the bill is the first big legislative victory for michelle obama. she's worked hard on the platform, kids, obesity, health, a big victory for her and the kids who will be helped by the bill. the president and his administration are trying to turn on the charm to win back points. first we sea jovial former clinton getting the president's back during a news conference. >> i had quite a good time governing. i am happy to be here, i suppose, when the bullets that are fired are unlikely to hit

me, unless they're just ricocheting. >> president obama is also reaching out to house republicans, making congratulatory phone calls and trying to get on their good side. joining me from the white house, msnbc political analyst, richard wolffe, the author of "revival" about the obama white house. good morning. >> reporter: i'm well, thank you. >> i don't want to start by going back but i've got ask about president clinton behind the podium. is this a sign of a smart political move on the part of president obama or that he needs to call in reinforcements, a sign of weakness? >> reporter: you know, i don't think they thought about it a lot. this was improvised. they didn't have much warning or give much warning to the press or in fact their own staff in doing this. and it takes a certain amount of self-assuredness on the president's part to hand over the podium to someone he has had this, well, a tense relationship in the past. but, look, his problem has been with the base and president clen

clinton has a popularity with the base that the president, the white house needs right now. all in all, people look back on this and after the chuckles and the surprise, turns out president clinton made a forceful case there. >> do you have any word, anything else that president clinton is doing? is he working behind the scenes to push this or is it considered a done deal anyway so the writing's on the wall? >> reporter: i have not heard about president clinton making phone calls. there have been lots of phone calls going out for members of the white house to members of congress as these votes pile up here. but i am sure clinton has made himself available. the question is, can that be helpful right now? it's not clear. >> well, one of the sets of phone calls that i understand are going out are the new gop committee chairman. we saw that still photo of the president. what are those conversations like? >> reporter: well, it's surprising how the small things can be extremely useful for the white house and for the president and the republicans who said why didn't we have more contact earlier?

you hear from democrats who say, we really are unhappy with the tax deal because we weren't in the room at the time. the personal element is what makes it that much harder to demonize the white house, although, let's face it we all expect, in the new year, these two parties to go at it all over again, and it's not going to be easy to see the couple bkumbaya continuing. >> how cold is it? >> reporter: it's a balmy, sunny 20. >> excellent. we appreciate you standing out in the cold for us, richard wolffe. there's his book "revival." >> let's bring in the company. galina, what do you think about this? some call it a charm offensive, some an outreach, the president making efforts to make nice with republicans. is he going to regret it, or is this a smart, political move? >> i think it's an incredibly

smart political move from the shrewdest politician there ever was. president obama needs all of the support he can get. to call on president clinton who has goodwill and knows how to work a room, it was a win-win all the way around. >> talking to republicans, making phone calls to heads of committees, you think that is something that is useful to him or is it going to be as richard suggested come 2011 more of the same? >> new yorko, it's good for hime the support. i think for president obama he needs someone else making those calls. i think that president clinton knows how to smooth people over to ruffle those feathers, to get everyone playing on the same team, and president obama struggled with that. >> governor, you're somebody, i'm sure, who has been on both ends of phone calls in the past. does it help, if you're a republican and ideologically you don't really stand toe to toe with the president, but he picks up the phone, you're a new committee chairman, he makes that phone call, he talks about

wanting to work together, does it have any impact? >> sure, it does. i think that politic is all about people and relationships and i remember when i was governor and i was at the white house on a social occasion, roxanne, my wife and i, spent 30 minutes of private time with bill clinton as president. he's a very charming guy. he gets along well with people. he's a terrific fellow. >> as a practical mat, did it have any implications for positions or how you worked with the other side? >> not so much because i think the people really want you to stand for some principle and stand up for what happens right. it can't all be kumbaya, i think the public expects and wants republicans and democrats and conservatives and liberals to work on the problems facing the country today. i've got to tell you, chris, it's a crisis and i think the american people almost understand it better than the charmers in washington. >> well, speaking of the charmers in washington, john boehner on "60 minutes," we

heard what could seem like conflicting things from him. let me play those. patrick, i'll ask you about this on the other side. >> we have to govern. it's what we're elected to do. >> but governing means compromising. >> it means working together. >> it also means compromising. >> finding common ground. >> why won't you -- you're afraid of the word. >> i reject the word. making sure that these kids have a shot at the american dream, like i did. it's important. >> the softer and the teary side of john boehner, who is the second of 12 chirng grew ldren n ohio. i don't know the word compromise, i'm not going to compromise. are they both the real john boehner? >> i think they're both the real john boehner. you can't fake tears very well.

i think he's an emotional guy. i think on the compromise issue, i mean, there's two schools of thought on this. say you are somebody who is against tax cuts. you elect a politician who agrees with you. you don't want that representative to go to washington and actually compromise. you don't want those tax cuts. i think that politicians are sort of torn because let's say everybody compromises and gets along bueautifully and it's a 50/50 split, who's cominging back to washington? >> is he the traditionalist who still appreciates a phone call from a president, whether that president is from his same party or not, and is more likely, whether he calls it compromise or not to work with someone who reaches out to him? >> i think he is. i think the problem, though, while he may be somebody is more amenable than that, he's lording over a party now, and i think both parties this is the case, who don't want a lot of

compromise. the politics have become so polarized both sides firmly entrenched and they want what they want and don't necessarily want to budge. his base with the fact democrats want what they want. a lot of this is both the obama administration and the republican party sort of before january coming in saying, of course we want to get along, we want to get along. i think it's like before the start of a basketball game, both teams come out, high five, check in on each other's kids and when the buzzer rings, reality's they're going at it, dropping elbows left and right, i think you're going to see this be the case after january. >> thank you all. a 17-year-old is now in custody. he took 20 preschoolers and their teacher hostage in eastern france today. french police say the teen was armed with two swords when he took control of the class. neither the kids or the teacher were harmed. the detroit lions halted the sales to free tickets of

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>> beverly hills police apparently think they've got a open and shut case. harold martin smith acting alone, rode a bike up to ronni chasen's car and opened fire, killing the hollywood publicist after a star-studded movie premiere. the department isn't releasing the details and that decision has been stoking conspiracy theories around a town that's always been filled with imagination. clint van zandt is a former fbi profiler. good to see you. >> hi, chris. >> here what happens the police aren't saying. they aren't showing this video surveillance, they say they have. they're not giving more background on smith's whereabouts, apparently the days before the shooting not releasing even generic background on the tipster who linked smith to the crime. it isn't as if the suspect, who

is now dead, is going to go to trial. so why are they being circumspect? you can understand why that makes people suspicious. >> it really does. a lot of things, had the police be up front with, for example, part of the conspiracy the victim was shot, one of the slugs taken out was a 9 millimeter howell point. that comes from a sophisticated semiautomatic weapon. so say she was shot five times, imagine this guy riding a bike, shooting five times through the window and catching this spent shell coming out of the pistol. the reality, we're told now, is that it was a .38 resolver, in essence the empty shells wouldn't have been kicked out. had the police come forward with a fact or other facts, i think it would have stopped the conspiracy theories. but you and i know, when the facts don't come out, there's a vacuum, and the media abhors a vacuum. people have come forward. they're suggesting it was a

professional hitman, it was a conspiracy. wrong, wrong, wrong. all of these were wrong. >> one of the reasons they thought it was a hitman he apparently had been bragging, the suspect had been bragging, that he got $10,000. well, if indeed he's the guy and he was getting $10,000, people are saying where from? was somebody else involved in this? did somebody try to pay him to do this? because if it's a botched robbery, why didn't le take her money? >> it seems like this $10,000 is something he may well have just fabricated, just came up with. but again, that feeds into the conspiracy theory. chris, i guess we have to ask ourselves, who would be sophisticated enough, you know, whether it be a russian drug dealer or art dealer, who would be sophisticated enough to hire a hitman who is a drug addict, a petty crook, rides a bicycle, who talks and brags about what he did? that just doesn't jive. but again, because the police didn't come out and say, hey, those is what we know, these are

the facts, no matter what anybody else says, this is what the case is, that would have stopped this early on. they didn't do this, so the vacuum has been filled. chris, the bottom line is truth in this case is stranger than fiction. >> clint van zandt, always good to see you. thank you. >> thank you, chris. >> finally, verdict for elizabeth smart. her kidnapper is convicted. we'll talk with her dad after the break. ♪ ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] at&t and blackberry have teamed up to keep your business moving. blackberry torch now just $99.99. only from at&t. rethink possible.

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the man convicted of kidnapping elizabeth smart could spend the rest of his life behind bars a. federal court found brian david mitchell friday and sentencing will take place in may. mitchell kidnapped smart when she was 14 and held her for nine months. after the trial, smart said she hopes that this is an example that justice can be served. >> today is a wonderful day, and i'm so thrilled to be here.

i'm so thrilled with the verdict. not only that, but i'm thrilled to stand before the people of america today and give hope to other victims. >> elizabeth's father, ed smart, joins me. watching her, actually, it makes me a little emotional. i saw her give her testimony at the competency hearing. i don't know how she does it, ed. she is so poised and so committed into making something good come out of this horror. how is she doing, really? >> she is really doing great. i mean, that day, last friday, when we had that verdict in, i mean, she was all smiles, almost to the point of tears, she was so happy to have this brian mitchell put away so that no other victim could be victimized. >> how do you take this and make something good out of it? she says that she wants to make sure that others don't have to go through this, and you, as

well, is this something now that can you say in may, he will be sentenced. wanda barzee, his wife, when they are behind bars sbars, wil move on or is this something part of your life? >> well, it has become part of our lives. elizabeth and lois have helped in pushing legislation forward, and i think when we can learn things from experiences, i mean, i look at this entire nine months and eight years, and how our lives have changed. i mean, thinking back i remember those people who said this will never happen to me type, and how do you prepare for something? there are things that we can do. prevention education is one of the most important things we can do. if we can stop our kids from being bullied at school or sexually assaulted or knowing how they can best deal, and when

i say "deal" when they are approached by somebody whether it is a stranger or a family member member, and abduction is such an extreme thing that in commonplace today, i think that a lot of children have to deal with issues whether it is family abuse or abuse from a neighbor or something that, how do they deal with that? they feel confident in coming to a person in saying this happened to me, and i think it is so important for our children to have the confidence in their parents or have a confidence in somebody that they can go to when they need to. >> well, people can look at elizabeth and say, my gosh, after what happened to her, there is clearly life after something horrific happens to you. but i have to tell you, ed, i was thinking about you when i saw dr. petit, and he gave the interview to oprah, and she

asked him, because he felt justice was served in his case, but she asked him if he could forgive the man who did what they did to his daughters and to his wife, and he said, you know, you forgive somebody who gets into an accident with you or you forgive -- can you forgive? >> i believe that you have to. i mean, even -- >> even someone who did what they did to your daughter and put your family what you went through? >> he did. he put us through hell, and to hear people get up there and testify and others get up there and tell brian mitchell's mistruths, it was outrageous, but can you go ahead and enjoy life, find happiness without releasing that? i mean -- i -- that's easy for me to say. i got my daughter back and she is doing so well.

he's always going to have a hole in his life, and he is going to know that, because everyday, you know, that special, those special daughters, i mean, his family, has been truly pulled apart, and i -- you know, that is one of the most interesting things about meeting all of these other parents that form our surviving parents coalition. we have some where they have lost their children, some that are still missing which i believe is the worst part. the not knowing is the worst. and then there are few of us who have had our children come back. >> well, i think it is, again, remarkable that you have made something positive out of it, seeing elizabeth as i did, just absolutely remarkable. good luck as you move forward with this, and thank you so much for being willing to talk about it, ed. >> thank you. one last thing. currently, there is a bill in the budget that is being proposed for the internet crimes against children. that is the greatest save that

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