na navy s.e.a.l.s captured him. >> i learned that if you want to have a best seller get a tv show. >> it's time to wrap up. got to go. >> see everybody tomorrow. stick around for "the daily rundown." >> thanks, t.j. >> this morning, what does it mean for the war on terror, how much of a political will it prove to be for president obama and how long will that last? also, renewed doubts about whatever it is our relationship is with pakistan with news that bin laden was hiding in plain sight 60 miles from the capital. just what did they know? plus, donald who? just days before the first

republican debate, the bin laden news abruptly changing the conversation on that side of the aisle. it's tuesday, may 3rd, 2011. i'm chuck todd. >> and i'm savannah gut ree in new york. we'll get right to the rundown. at the top for us, we're learning more about the tic-toc as one chopper failed and fighter jets on the commandos trail. as we were first to report, the president and his war cabinet had a front row seat to all of it. video and audio images transmitted back in realtime to "the situation room." let's get to jim in the pentagon. >> the white house released photos of the nail-biting tension as the president and national security team watched live video of the u.s. military attack on bin laden's compound. >> the minutes passed like days and the president was very concerned about the security of our personnel. >> 40 minutes into the

operation, it was over and osama bin laden was dead. for a successful killer catcher, the code word was "geronimo" but they transmitted "for god and country, geronimo, geronimo, geronimo." the code name itself was "jackpot." >> osama bin laden would not surrender and security agents had been told to kill him if it looked like they would lose him to a snatch operation. >> one option, to drop 2,000 pound bombs on the compound because it would object literate any dna to prove that bin laden was killed. they sent two teams of navy s.e.a.l.s and when a choeper went down, another was there to take its place. they cornered bin laden on the

third floor of his residence. one commander recognized bin laden and immediately put two bullets into his head. >> this is what we call an a clean hit and a solid piece of work from intelligence and a special operations point. >> his body was flown from helicopter to carl vincent where he was given a proper muslim burial at sea. there are new details about how they found him in abbottabad. eight times the size of anything nearby by the pakistani security forces still managed to miss it. 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed while in cia custody provided key information about a courier close to bin laden. it took seven years, but the cia eventually identified that courier and tracked him to the compound where bin laden was

killed. >> well, it hasn't yet been 48 hours yet but we know that the president has already talked to some of the navy s.e.a.l.s but they have not said if he talked to the navy s.e.a.l. that killed bin laden. there is a recording of the burial at sea and there are members of the national security team has viewed already and there is obviously the visual proof of bin laden's wounded and deceased body. >> it's a real controversy whether to release and what to release. talking to people who have seen the photo, it's described as very gruesome. recall that bin laden was shot twice right over the left eye. one other point, khalid sheikh mohammed was helpful to the investigation, from my reporting, as i understand it,

what happened was that they learned of the i'd tie of this courier from detainees at guantanamo and gathered that this was an important figure but when they asked khalid sheikh mohammed about this cure year, he said something to the effect that he's not important or he didn't know him and it was actually that which made the intelligence officials realize this guy was important because khalid sheikh mohammed was trying to throw them off the trail. >> so savannah, to clear this up, was that done via the waterboarding interrogation or not? >> the answer is no, that was not gotten straight out of a waterboarding interrogation. some might argue, once you've water boarded someone, the cat is out of the bag, they have to confess to everything. the ship has sailed on that issue. however, as i understand the narrative here, this is not a case where khalid sheikh mohammed spilled his guts even years after being water boarded

but said, no, this isn't your guy and it was that, they said, there is something fishy about that. they knew that the courier was important when ksm said look somewhere else, that's how they knew they were on to something. >> feels like an odd straw man when that really is not what this conversation is about any way. >> let's move on. the u.s. has said it will investigate whether pakistani authorities ignored bin laden's presence or helped him hide from intelligence. >> clearly they provided assistance between bin laden and his operatives. whether or not those individuals inside the pakistani government is unknown at this point. >> we're joined from abbottabad pakistan with a first-hand look.

>> reporter: chuck, this is a military town. the military is everywhere here. we've been driving around and there is extra security today. we're seeing checkpoint after checkpoint. just a mile down that road is a full military academy, the elite military academy. it's the west point of the usa and then half a mile is osama bin laden's house. i walked around the area. it's a newly developed area and there are several tracks not built on. there are half built homes. his house stood out not just because of the size but because of the high walls, 12 to 16 foot tall and at the very top are bashed fences. so you can't see into the compound at all. you can't see what damage was done by the operation. i have no idea what it looks

like inside because you just can't see. but people in the area, locals in the area surprised by what has happened here in the last few days. they say that they had no idea who lived there. a couple people said some of the children playing locally would throw their football over as children do and usually in this neighborhood they would just throw them back or come out and hand it back or the kids run in to get them. here what would happen is the balls would not be returned. instead, someone would come out and give the kids the money instead of returning the ball. on the walls itself and the walls around the house are not built -- are built but not painted and there was something that said, this is a girl's school, a girl's school was advertised on the actual advert very curious. back to you, chuck. >> all right, thank you in abbottabad, pakistan. that is a place a lot of people rg are going to want to take a look at. >> yes. on capitol hill, in washington,

we await multiple hearings on foreign policy issues and a briefing from leon panetta. at the same time, president obama is urging lawmakers not to let politics erode a unifying moment for the country. >> i know that unity that we felt on has frayed a little bit and i have no illusions about the debates that we're going to have to engage in in the weeks and months to come. so tonight it's my hope that we can harness some of that unity and some of that pride that we still face. >> kelly o'donnell is here. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. you get a sense here that at least for now it's still holding

where you have republicans and democrats both uniformly praising the president and those involved in the operation from the intelligence and from on the ground point of view and by partisan questions about some of the larger issues with respect to and what level of cooperation has there been? even so far as right now questions about should funding to pakistan be suspended until some of those questions are answered? today there will be key briefings and it will be classified. and it will be a level of detail they have not had thus far. many we talked to received a short phone call to let them know it had all come down. today is a chance for them to learn more about the detail. many have read in recent months, a certain portfolio when it

comes to intelligence matters to know about the compound, about some of the issues that had been unearthed during the intelligence gathering. but this is the chance to really get detail. and as i mentioned, there will be many questions. we'll hear more from members like the senate intelligence chair, dianne feinstein, who in just a little over an hour will talk to reporters about her reaction to this and what she knows. there are lots of moving parts but at least for this moment there is a significant accomplishment and some really lingering questions. chuck? savannah? >> all right. kelly o'donnell on capitol hill. leon panetta will be interviewed by our own brian williams on "nightly news" tonight. it's going to be really amazing. >> i was going to say, how is it that members of congress were briefed in january and yet it did not leak after all of these months. >> who knew? they can keep a secret? >> i'm dying. all right. up next, the politics of bringing down bin laden. will the president get a bump from the bin laden news and, if so, how much does it really

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last night as the americans learned about the operation that involved the capture and killing of osama bin laden, there is a pride in what this nation stands for and what we can achieve, that runs far deeper than party and politics. >> president obama talking about the unity at a dinner for congressional leaders last

night. >> this was a product of eight months of planning, seven years of it, actually, and to translate the pessimistic view about the direction of the country and national political writer for the associated press. and they put up some historical bumps and he got a bump for 105 weeks after 9/11. roosevelt got a bump for 46 weeks after pearl harbor. a 15% bump for george bush that lasted seven weeks. the question is, do we live in a

country that has political bumps? >> this is going to be the true test for that. i think he will get some kind of a bump. this was such a major thing for the last ten years. i mean, we haven't thought about it much. but it's such a big deal. this was the mastermind of 911. but, no, i would be very surprised six months from now if we're not talking about, you know, how bad the economy is still hurting president obama. but what it does do is talk about his leadership abilities and quiets at least for now the narrative that americans were trying to create that he's the spectator in chief, as newt gingrich has said, and does not believe in conceptualism. it allows them to interrupt this narrative. as far as a bump, i don't know. >> i love the reality check this morning in politico.

george h.w. bush writes, my guy took down the berlin wall and won the gulf war but it didn't matter. this election is about three things. jobs, houses, and cars. my job, my house, my car, and putting gas in my car. do you think the white house will be adept to take this moment and show leadership and translate into things not directly related to the capture of osama bin laden but give people a good feeling about the handling of affairs? >> i think people already have a good feeling about the country now and there is something to be said about the killing of osama bin laden. that said, the white house has a really big challenge and turning this into domestic issues that

both sides are going to have to struggle with, the debt ceiling and the pocketbook issues is what people are going to vote on. any way, i want to put up an important poll number. it showed the approval of president's afghanistan policy. 44% approved and 49% disapproved. this is the number that i'm most fascinated by. what is the reaction of americans, pro or con on the war. what is the bin laden death? does that say, great, the war is over? let's get out? >> that is, aagree with you, one of the longer term and the war

is not over. this president is going to have to decide how is he going to, you know, sell the war strategy. is he going to -- when they do the review, that is going to be sort of the new national security issue under debate in the 2012 presidential campaign. we have already heard candidates saying that it's time to reexamine the policy. i think this is the next most dish sell the afghan policy and it's harder to con vines people that it's worth spending the money and the lives going forward. >> well, perhaps that's why they said, this is not over yet. this is not over yet. >> well, liz sidoti, it's good

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if the u.s.-pakistani relationship was complicated before sunday, this throws a wrench into an already uneasy relationship. >> for years the u.s. has asked pakistani to crack down on terrorists. the questions today continue to mount. we asked condoleeza rice about pakistan as an ally and where she heard the bin laden news that he was dead. >> i was traveling and when i

got to my hotel i flipped on the television and learned that president obama was going to be speaking. and i thought, 10:30 on a sunday night, this has got to be something very big and i eventually worked my way to the thought that it was probably about osama bin laden. >> madam secretary, did you at some point in the administration just kind of give up hope that bin laden would ever be found? >> oh, no, i knew we would find him eventually because i knew how the dedicated men and women of the intelligence agency and the unit specifically dedicated to tracking bin laden, that they were making progress and then the trail would go cold and they would make progress and then the trail would go cold but i remember the day that there was a courier and people thought there might be a link to him, information gleamed from detainees. so i thought we would eventually get him. i'm glad that it's finally done and i'm grateful to president obama and his team that it is

done. >> madam secretary, we know that the administration is wrestling with whether to release the physical evidence of bin laden's death, possibly video of the burial, possibly a shot, a photo of the dead -- of a shot and dead bin laden. what do you -- take us behind the scenes there. what are they weighing? what are the pros and cons of doing this? >> it's a decision that they will have to make. some people are saying that there needs to be proof. i don't think there's any doubt that we killed osama bin laden. the dna match appears to be 100%. just the reaction around his that there is no doubt that we killed him. but there is the issue of historical confirmation and then of course the question of

prolonging the focus on his death and whether getting on with the closure and still open chapters with al qaeda and i'm sure they are weighing all of the right factors. >> you're certainly equated with diplomatic niceties and no longer burdened by them. i would love to get your take on pakistan's role here. now we know this compound was basically sticking out like a sore thumb in a suburb outside of islamabad, not far from a military academy. do you think pakistan was composite in helping bin laden hide all of these years and what should the u.s.'s response be? >> i was certainly surprised that he was i'ding in plain sight so to speak not far from

islamabad. and the pakistanis have some hard questions to answer and frankly not just for us but for themselves. losing, for instance, benazir bhutto to terrorist networks. they ought to be asking tough questions of their military. we all know that pakistan is an important partner in counterterrorism but it's a troubled state. it has divisions within it. there are people who are sympathetic with extremists and we've always known that, even in some of the institutions. but this is a time for the pakistani government to take control of this issue, do a thorough investigation, work with us and others. >> the president had several courses of action presented to him. one of them was to object

literate the compound by dropping 32 2,000 bombs. the other was -- there were several options but one of them was this assault that was riskier. what do you think that choice that the president made says about him and speaking of the president you know so well, president george w. bush, do you think he would have made the same call? >> i think knowing that it's very dangerous but nonetheless realizing that the benefits from a raid like this that was successful, the benefits of intelligence gathering, the benefits of being able to identify bin laden, the benefits outweighed the risk and i suspect the same decision would have been made but i don't know all of the factors that went into it. i do think it says that president obama showed that he in this circumstance really took on the mantel of commander in chief and in the war on terror. this is a war. and wars are risky.

you don't take the easy way out. that's what we learned on september 11th and from 2001 until 2009 when we left office, president bush took a difficult decision after difficult decision. we were able to leave in place an infrastructure as well as information that ultimately led to this day and i'm grateful that president obama acted on that and in this way. it shows that the united states of america, you may be able to wound us but you're not going to be able to defeat us. >> condoleeza rice, we know we've got to let you go. thank you for being with us. >> thank you. good to be with you. army engineers plan to blow up new parts of a levee in an effort to redirect floodwaters. historic highs here cairo. there was a stretch of the levee on the missouri side caused four

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well, back here at home, both the senate and household hearings today on security in those countries. >> senator john barasso is a member of the senate foreign committee. the conversation i've heard many members of congress already talk about privately and publicly, that is our relationship with pakistan. let me just ask you straight up, pakistan, friend or foe?

>> well, i don't think we know but i think the computer they found with osama bin laden is going to give us a lot more information. i'm much more interested in seeing the contents of that computer than i am with the video of what happened in that compound. but let me tell you, chuck, last night i was at the white house with the president. i congratulated him personally. the applause was long, it was sincere, and bipartisan support of what has occurred they have made all of america proud. >> senator, obviously people are thinking about the billions in aid that they have received and thinking about that huge compound eight times larger than any building and they say, wait a minute, why are we spending all of this money in pakistan? is this a good investment? are they really our ally?

what is your take? >> my concern is that it may not have been a good investment. there is a lot of money which has always been an advocate of additional funding. we send a lot of money both through the department of defense and state department to pakistan. i think it's going to be hard for americans to figure out how the pakistanis didn't know that osama bin laden was hidden in that compound. you're talking about a location that is a military town where people involved in military activities live and retire. they work there. there was a base not very far from the location where he was -- as they say, hiding in plain sight. i was in pakistan last year. i met with the leadership there. i was there with joe lieberman as well as john mccain. we asked specifically about osama bin laden. i think we're going to learn a

lot from these computers. >> senator, i should read you part of an op ed. president zardari blames the media. he says some in the u.s. media suggest pakistan lacked vitality in its pursuit of terrorism or worse yet that we were disingenuous and actually protected the terrorists that we were pursing. it doesn't reflect fact. pakistan has reason to despise al qaeda. in fairness to president zardari, the civilian leadership seems to want to be supportive. it's been this issue with the pakistani intelligence, the isi. >> well, we sure don't have all of the information. we're going to look for it. i'm going to meet with other senators today with leon panetta and a lot of these questions are going to come up.

what did the pakistanis know? when did they know it? what was the relationship between the pakistani military, the secret group as you've talked about, as well as the government between them and osama bin laden because it does seem and americans who have looked at videos of this compound have to think they had to have known that he was there. >> senator, what do you think this will mean for the war in afghanistan? certainly some will say, we have gotten osama bin laden. that was the organizing unifying principle behind going into afghanistan. in addition to not having a safe haven for al qaeda. do you think this hinders the war effort in the sense that some people will say, it's time to get out. our work there is done? >> some people may say that. i'm not going to say that. al qaeda continues to want to target the united states. those targets didn't end after 9/11 and i don't think they are going to last after last sunday night. i think this is going to continue and we need to see that to completion.

>> senator john barrasso, thank you for joining us this morning. >> thanks, chuck. thanks savannah. the united states and their allies are keeping their eyes on hot beds on terrorism. how about afghanistan where bin laden spent so much of his time? back in kabul with more on that is atia. what is the reaction on the ground? i know you've been back just a short time. >> well, the reaction, you'll get mixed opinions, particularly with the people. one thing you'll get from the afghan officials as well as the u.s. military is that it was a big game. but one common denominator that you will see with everyone is that it doesn't change the situation on the ground in afghanistan. the fighting continues. i spoke to military officials here on background because they don't want to go on the record completely with their name but

they have told us that in fact the situation is not going to change in afghanistan. the insurgency will continue to fight and then the u.s. and nato forces will continue to fight the insurgency. but what this did gain them was a psychological win. when we look back to the 2009 mcchrystal made for president obama back then, one of the main points of the counter insurgency strike was that which ever side feels that they are winning, they think that they are winning, in the end they will be the victors. and for the past year and a half now, the taliban has seemed to think that they were winning. they thought they had the upper hand with the coming withdrawl in july 2011 and a full recall in 2014, the taliban had this winning mentality and although they have no connection with al qaeda anymore, it's an insurgency on its own. they don't want any connection with bin laden. at the same time, this is a psychological win for the u.s. troops and they are going in there and going to fight the insurgency with this win on

their side. >> all right. atia, in kabul for us, thank you. and let's do our tribute, chuck. you've got us all excited about this question. >> tomorrow is going to be a good one. i'm telling you. >> let me set it up. which current congressional candidate was in command of the u.s.s. cole when it was attacked by al qaeda. and the answer is? >> retired navy commander kirk lippold who announced that he's running for dean heller's seat. john ensign officially resigns today. >> he says he didn't google. >> when he guessed it, i thought is lippold the new google? >> he was watching the daily rundown. even the death of osama bin laden cannot stop the u.s. debt

from ticking every second. the drama of the debt ceiling debate is going to begin again. will lawmakers be able to avert this catastrophe? >> but, first, the white house soup of the day. chuck, one of your favorites. miso. >> disappointed. >> because it's weigatery? >> it's like dish soap. >> you're watching "the daily rundown" on msnbc. ♪

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well, washington gets another month to squabble over the debt. the tax revenues will extend the government's ability to pay its

bills into august. >> and until after the vice president kicks off negotiations on the deficit on thursday. former texas congressman martin frost was chairman of the caucus and former tom davis chaired the house government reform committee and the nrcc. congressman davis, let me start with you. because it was such a big win, one of these wins that everybody wanted and unites the country, does it make it harder for house republicans to have a big fight, jaub bell, over the debt limit if it looks small? >> the macro facts on this, the different angles that the parties are coming from on this, we're still headed i think for a very tough battle. >> martin, i wanted to ask you going back to this moment that

we're having whereby partisanship has broken out but i suppose they held their fire for the day, the washington post puts it this way. congress agrees on bin laden action but not much left. members of congress stopped it campaign fundraising and on monday the two parties said roughly the same things, just didn't say them together. i wonder what you think. have we just lost the ability to have moments whereby partisan, good feelings rein? >> i think what happens happened president obama in the presidential race more than congress. these are real issues that congress is facing. we're going to get back, they are going to slug it out. don't forget that on the 9/11, one of those planes may have been heading to the capitol hill. there was a great sense of relief on 9/11 that we

needed to go get him. >> and tom, i want to go -- martin brought up the presidential race, and we saw that within hours yesterday, mitt romney suddenly decides he won't participate in the first presidential republican debate realizing how small that could look at a time when the president is going to be at ground zero and all of these things. if you are running for president, do you cool your rhetoric on the president for a while? >> for a while. but like everything, you hit the bump and it comes back down. the reality of what is happening in afghanistan and around the world and the economic situation, the deficit fights, this will all come back. you get a bump, but it comes back to earth, and you have to go with the flow, if you are a president shat candidate. >> well, it does help him in terms of criticism, because it could be cast at him in terms of whether he is a strong leader or whether he is a strong commander in chief, and that is going to be there for a while and it will help him. >> it is an immense enhancement, no question about it. >> is there a danger about

overreach in terms of trying to gain political advantage and obviously national security is foremo foremost, and nobody would dispute that, but now the president is coming to ground zero, and is there a danger zone where the administration could be criticized that they are using this as a political gain? >> no. he is entitled to a couple of victory laps on this one, but we shift to the war in afghanistan and the body count there and the goal of when to get out, and it shifts the view on this thing. that is a greater danger of how do you handle the next chapter as you turn the page. >> it is perfectly appropriate for him to go to the 9/11 site, and there are scenes of bush there afterwards and nothing wrong with him there, and the country will appreciate the fact even more. >> well, tom brought up, savannah, a victory lap, and the -- i don't know if you know this, but for tom davis, they came here for that.

and the trivia thing, and i got the dwlo to gloat about beating these guys -- >> what happened? >> i did the s.a.t. rule, and we answered every question, and you got penalized for missing. these guys only answered the ones they knew, and if they didn't know the answer, they were scared. >> we followed the rules. >> we follow the rules. >> look. that is what he is holding up. >> the big geek fest trivia contest in washington. >> bring it on. bring it on. >> it says political genius. >> and it says made in china on the bottom. >> hey, that is a problem that is not ours. >> i hope it has your names on it, guys. thanks for being with us. we will be right back. hey buddy, wattaya lookin' a-oooh.

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moussaoui, and he is the only person charged with connection of the attacks on 9/11. it is the only public trial so far connected to 9/11. he's now in super max federal prison in colorado. >> well, i don't know if we will get any other ones now. >> we will see. military commission, and we will see what we get next. that is it for the "daily rundown." >> coming up next is chris jansing & company. >> and then "andrea mitchell reports," and have a great day. we will see you tomorrow. here is the business travel forecast, and finally the rain is ending in arkansas and eventually in areas of kentucky where the worst of the flooding is taking place. for the business travel today, storms possible in atlanta, and showers in detroit, and chilly air from chicago to milwaukee,

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all right. new deill tas about how the u.s. tracked, trapped and killed osama bin laden. we will reveal the carefully gathered clues including the reported success of enhanced interrogation by the cia that yielded key information as well as the mother lode of all, bin laden's computer hard drive and more. questions today -- will the u.s. release key video and stills of the operation of osama bin laden