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the family, this could give us a lot of valuable information regarding threats, regarding the location of other high-value targets, and regarding the kind of operations that we need to conduct against these terrorists. >> nbc is is live at the pentagon for us. good morning to you. does this mean things are changing in terms of standard operating procedure around the states? >> initially after osama bin laden's death was first announced, the u.s. military forces and some security forces around the world actually went on alert anticipating some kind of possible retaliation by al qaeda. but more importantly that mother lode of intelligence gathered, the u.s. intelligence analysts, were particularly looking for anything that might lead security forces to a possible pending or eminent attack by al qaeda forces or those sleeper cells that we've heard so much about may already be implanted in europe, canada, and the
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united states. and now, we don't know if they found information but in remarkable testimony up on capitol hill, the chief of homeland security, janet napolita napolitano, told lawmakers that her department, homeland security, has already received information. less than three days after it was gathered up has already received information from the cia and fbi analysts. don't know what it is, whether it is about a possible imminent attack somewhere, but it was valuable enough to forward almost immediately after the -- it was -- it was reviewed by those analysts. >> mik, where does the debate stand right now in terms of whether or not to release a picture of bin laden? >> well, if you listen to -- if you look at a scorecard you think that it appears that the majority of people within the administration, including apparently secretary of defense robert gates and we know secretary of state hillary clinton who are against the release, there are others as we know leon panetta told brian
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williams last night that he thinks it should ultimately be released to sort of head off the conspiracy theorists who say osama bin laden is still alive. however, this debate is not likely to be ended today. there are some idea that the white house would announce this decision today, but we get no indication of that yet. we're still looking though for either photos or even perhaps video of the burial service aboard the aircraft carrier carl vinson in which osama bin laden's body was laid to rest at sea because it's felt that that will -- that at least will offer some evidence that at least that ceremony was respectful. >> respectful and osama bin laden's body in keeping with the muslim tradition. i mean, it was washed, it was draped in white. i mean, all that is dictated. correct? >> absolutely. >> okay. >> followed the tenets of islamic law in slipping his body into the sea. >> thank you so much. >> okay. bin laden's death makes his
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heir apparent al zawahiri the new most wanted terrorist in the world. for more on who this man is live go live to richard engel. how much of a threat to the world is al zawahiri? >> he is dlet. before we get to that i want to follow up on something, the conversation you were just having with mik. when we have been gatt thriheri reaction about the killing of bin laden, the people -- the thing that people were most upset about was that burial at sea. it is not common in the i ma'am lick wor islamic world and is not how people are to be buried and cared for in this part of the region. no matter what the u.s. military says it is not common here to have people slipped off aircraft carriers in weighted body bags by american forces. so releasing that particular
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image while the u.s. is trying to show that it's -- it carried it out respectfully could be the one image that backfires. very few people in this part of the world would be terribly offended by a bloody photograph, but one that is a sort of a pseudo-islamic ceremony. back to iman al zawahiri, the number two considered by almost everyone who knew him to be dangerous and capable. >> osama bin laden's death is likely elevated his second in command to lead al qaeda, egyptian ayman al zawahiri. zawahiri actually has a longer history with islamic violence than even bin laden and he's just as dedicated to attacking the united states. 59 years old, zawahiri was raised in a middle class suburb. he trained in medicine. by 1982 zawahiri was arrested in
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egypt in connection with the assassination of the late president anwar sadat. he was tortured in prison and reportedly snapped. zawahiri was never linked directly to killing sedat. he was released in 1984 but was hardened, wanted revenge for torture. turning back, zawahiri led a group in egyptian jihad. over time, zawahiri's ambitions grew. in 1998 zawahiri made an alliance with bin laden. bin laden had money, zawahiri, experience. they helped each other and al qaeda to expand attacks beyond the middle east, including to the united states. author amid meer interviewed osama bin laden three times including after 9/11. he says al qaeda remains dangerous under zawahiri. >> yes, bin laden is dead now but al qaeda and allies are not dead. the world is still a very unsafe place. >> reporter: in al qaeda zawahiri had a more tactical and
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operational role than bin laden, like bin laden, the united states has been tracking zawahiri and tried to kill him at least six times. but bin laden's success or does have disadvantages. he was always second in command and never had bin laden's international recognition. the egyptian is also arrogant and lacks the charisma of the soft-spoken, at times even poetic bin laden. zawahiri is experienced and undoubtedly motivated to keep al qaeda alive. and alec, perhaps it's because of his medical background many people have said that it is ayman al zawahiri which had a long and keen interest in chemical and biological weapons. >> thank you very much. u.s. intelligence agencies are bracing for the possibility that other top al qaeda leaders try to accelerate terror plots to prove their net work is still a threat. at this time, there are no reports of specific plots under way. but u.s. embassies around this world are on high alert.
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so how will the seizure of more than 100 computers storage devices at bin laden's compound and any potential release of the photos showing the terror chief's corpse hurt? roger, good morning. >> good morning, alex. >> less talk about the treasure trove that's been seized there. do you think that's going to cause al qaeda leaders to go further underground, to avoid the same fate as their leader, or might they be more inclined to attack sooner? >> well, i think either one is possible. i think people like zawahiri and other members of the al qaeda leadership are going to be very nervous right now. and they're going to go under ground. you could easily also paint a picture where if there are any operations in the final stages of preparation they may tried and be accelerated. when that happens, that also creates further opportunities for disruption. i do not believe there is a sleeper cell presence inside the united states. i do not think that is something we need to worry about. we do need to worry about the lone wolf scenario.
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some individual who decides to avenge bin laden on his own. so we've got a couple of different pieces here to keep in mind, but i think the counter terrorism views opportunities coming out of the exploitation of the information they've received to disrupt further plots down the road. >> okay. roger, i want to let you know the attorney general eric holder is testifying and said that we're going to add more names to the world's most wanted terror list. of course that list which the last 13 years, osama bin laden sat. but as a result of the information that treasure trove that they got, they've been going through this kind of information for the last thooi three days. how much more information do you believe there is there, critically help the united states and the war on terror and hunting these people down? >> well, we have to assume there's a lot. the west and the u.s. counter terrorism intelligence community has one picture of how al qaeda operates, structured, communicates. we're going to find in all of these hard drives and thumb drives is greater fidelity and specificity to that. it may take the intelligence
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community a little bit of a different direction, it may identify other people. we talk about ayman al zawahiri, maltea is another significant leader. we may learn more about the americans presence like juma and people like that, what is their operational role? so as director panetta said, alex, it's about the high value targets disrupting current plots and also better understanding how the network operates. potential intelligence windfall here is enormous. >> okay. thank you, roger. first, muslim-americans, osama bin laden was the man who hijacked islam using that religion in an attempt to justify his brutality. what does the muslim here in the u.s. think of his demise? representative keith ellis son was the first muslim american to be elected to congress. he joins me live from capitol hill. good morning to you, sir. thank you for joining us. >> pleased to be here. >> first up, where were you and what was your reaction when you heard the news about osama bin laden? >> well, first, it was surprise. i mean, i had to readjust my radio because i could hardly
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believe it. but my -- then my reaction was relief. i was relieved that the person who wanted to cause so much harm to so many people were now off the scene. this individual who was perhaps the foremost responsible for making people soeshtd islam and terrorism in the world off the scene. this person who confused people and distracted, misled them, and tried to bring them into his evil philosophy off the scene. so my reaction was relief. >> i'm curious, if your reaction reflects the greater muslim-american community as well in this country. i want to read one statement which read, he more than anyone else in human history with his twisted version of islam made it feared and depiesed upon millions upon millions of people who had never known about it before. >> yeah. i think that is a fair reflection of how most folks feel. of course, i can't speak for everyone. but i can tell you that, you
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know, even my own child as i was driving her to school, made that reflection, isn't he the one who made people hate us, is what she said. he was -- he was an evil force for all americans, people all over the world, but he was particularly damaging to people who are muslim because, of course, al qaeda killed a lot of muslims, by the way, a lot of blood on his hands that's muslim blood. but not only that he distorted our faith and he made people believe that islam was something that it really isn't. so he really was a monumentally evil figure for people in the muslim community. >> representative ellison, you have said that you hope his death marks the end of al qaedaism ideology. >> that's true. >> do you think that will actually happen? >> i mean, he was their leader for a reason. he was charismatic, poetic, well spoken, and people followed him for those reasons. and now that he is a symbol that's off the scene, hopefully his ability to inspire will be off the scene, too. and again, you know, at the end
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of the day, it's important to challenge their narrative, their narrative that americans at war with islam was always a lie, never true. america is not at war with any religion whatsoever and now there's principle spokesman isn't there to say it anymore. so that's a good thing. >> representative ellison, wayn't to ask you about something i was discussing with nbc's richard engel about the burial of osama bin laden, afforded a burial at sea, that his body was properly washed and wrapped in white as in keeping with islamic law. there are those who are opposing this manner of burial. is there something about i islamic law who says you can't bury somebody at sea? >> there is nothing in islamic law that says that that i know of. but i want to caution you that not a scholar on these issues so i don't to overstate misqualifications. but islamic law is flexible. if you're at sea and the body is there, i think that it is
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permissible given that there are lastic interpretations based on circumstances. >> all right. representative keith ellison, many thanks, sir. >> thank you. while the administration celebrates the killing of osama bin laden,there is no question that serious domestic issues also top the agenda. among them, gas prices. we'll talk with a senator up next who wants to know why prices are so high when oil companies are bringing in record profits. ♪ got brass in pocket...
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president obama is seeing a bump in approval rating after successful killing of osama bin laden but the spike in gas prices are a daily reminder that those numbers could change quickly. prices are inching closer to the national average. today we hit a $3.98. that is more than 30 cents higher than a month ago.
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over a dollar over this time last year. before we take total control, democrats are taking steps will lower the price at the purp. richard bloomi in ingbloomingth talk about this. i know the democrats are trying to get ahead on this issues. you have leader reid, the department of justice monitoring all fraud and manipulation in the markets. you, sir, have called for more. you want a grand jury investigation into this issue. what is this, all about speculation? >> it's about speculation, which is at an all-time high. unprecedented levels of speculation. and potentially illegal market manipulation. and, of course, gasoline prices are becoming absolutely crushing up from $3 a year ago now to more than $4.20 in connecticut. and craushing not just to consumers but economy, fragile
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economic recovery. i want an investigation by the department of justice into potentially illegal, civilly and possibly criminally, illegal activity, using, if necessary, a grand jury but certainly subpoenas, fbi, whatever is necessary to uncover the wrong doing and send a very, very profoundly important message that we will not tolerate this in the market. but, also, the people who are betting that prices are going to continue to spiral upward are on the wrong side. >> yeah. just perspective, they've gone up in terms of speculation prices about 35% since the unrest in the middle east began and gone up 40% when we all know that we're filling up at the pump. want to put in perspective, sir, back in los angeles, the summer of 2008, rest debidents were pa close to $5 a gallon. just the nature of gas prices, are they cyclical in nature or
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do you think we're looking at a new norm here on the high side? >> i don't believe we're looking at a new norm. i believe that a certain element and portion of the spike is attributable to speculation and possibly illegal manipulation, which is why i believe an investigation is appropriate. of course, i'm also in favor of releasing part -- a small part of this strategic poet trel up reserve and i want efforts against the opec nations which i offered as legislation along with senator cole and i believe strongly it has to be a multi-facetted solution, which long term will require other sources of energy, renewables, solar, natural gas, there has been cycles and to bring down these prices to a more moderate and affordable that we now need. >> okay. i want to turn gears here and change up to the house
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intelligence committee as we talk about africa, sir. that chairman, mike rogers, was asked by andrea mitchell if it's easier now to draw down on that country. let's listen to that. >> you know, two different fight, i think. i think every country, every operation has to be considered differently. what we're fighting in afghanistan now is the resurgence of the taliban. the taliban is what aided al qaeda and gave them safe haven in afghanistan to conduct operations against the united states. >> give me a reaction as a member of the arm services committee. is the taliban our major problem in afghanistan? >> hitting the taliban in afghanistan and al qaeda, depriving it of any save haven or places where it can flourish and train and build certainly one of our major objectives. and so we're further along toward achieving that objective,nd ahoobjective, and i hope we will stick to the timetable the president set out
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beginning with withdrawals and meaningful withdrawals this july. and i think that the triumph is a huge historic crime in killing osama bin laden will enable and bolster that effort to begin withdrawing troops. >> many thanks. >> thank you. as the clean-up continues now in alabama, dozens of people are still missing. we have a live update, next. mom! mom! mom! [ male announcer ] you know mom. we know diamonds. together we'll make this mother's day one she'll never forget. that's why only zales is the diamond store. that's why only zales how can expedia now save me even more on my hotel? well, hotels know they can't fill every room every day. like this one. and this one. and oops, my bad.
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rain yesterday in the south making it all that much worse for those trying to salvage what they could from last week's deadly tornado. the alabama death toll is 236, making at this time deadliest twister outbreak since the great depression. but the number of missing is still unclear. let's turn now to charles
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hadlock live in tuscaloosa for us. good day. schools are reopening here today. has that done anything to lift the mood there? >> it is, alex. in fact, i just got back from the pleasant grove elementary school in the small town of pleasant groe pleasant grove, 50 miles from tuscaloo tuscaloosa. the school is still intact. the classes have resumed there. of the people going back, nine teachers lost their homes. a cafeteria worker lost her daughter who went to school here at the university of alabama none of the students were killed but many of them lost loved ones and their hopes. today was a connection with reality, getting back to school, getting back to normal as best they can. and the teachers there said we're putting away the math books, we're putting away the e english books. today we're just giving hugs. >> probably a lot of talk amongst themselves and sharing stories. thank you.
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i'm alex witt. here's what's topping the news now. the mississippi river is expected to reach the highest levels in centuries in parts of tennessee, mississippi and louisiana over the next several days. national guardsmen rescuing 93-year-old woman trapped in her partially submerged car. dramatic late night demolition of a levee spared one town in illinois from being flooded by the mississippi river. engineers are now considering more levee explosions to divert flood waters around other towns. and fresh off his stints a father of the groom, prince charles is in washington, d.c. last night he met with war veterans at a reception following a visit to the supreme court earlier in the day.
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rye now he's giving a speech to the capitol on sustainable agriculture. the obama administration is sitting on the reportedly gruesome photos of a dead osama bin laden and his burial at sea. there is a debate inside the white house about the upside of releasing such graphic material and a serious concern that any of the photos can turn into something iconic for terrorists to use as fuel for future potential attacks. nbc is live at the white house for us. good morning to you, mike. >> good morning, alex. >> some are saying the photos of the burial at sea might be enough for the al qaeda operatives but the one that gets the feel that the release of the photos is more about when instead of the. is that what you are sensing? >> well, and that is what the cia director leon panetta told brian williams. he said, there is no question that it will be ultimately shown to the public, a still photograph of a deceased osama bin laden. he said he would have to reveal
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that to the rest of the world. apparently there is a very active debate within the administration. we've heard recently from the republican head of house intelligence committee who says he doesn't believe they should be -- that that photo should be revealed. and the thinking along those line, both democrat and republican here in the administration and elsewhere is what is to be gained, not only as you said, would it present an iconic image, perhaps, to islamist radicals across the world, but it might inflame the arab street. nefrd, the day-to-day individual and arab countries which the administration, the united states, has tried to present a kind of, gentler image, not an anti-muslim image but simply an anti-terrorist image to that part of the world. so the question is, would it change anyone's mind? you said they were gruesome. we know that osama bin laden was shot by the commandos in the region of his left eye. not to put to too fine a point on it, but blood and brain
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tissue visible in this picture. what is to be gained and what is to be lost by making such a picture public. >> those questions are still being answer eed inside that picture behind you. what about a trip to ground zero? >> he will be going to ground zero tomorrow. you know, i've since the president made that big announcement on sunday night, alex, he and others have been careful to praise not only the american military and particularly the commandos who carried out the raid but the 9/11 families in particular because this obviously means so much to them. we've heard overtime and time again describing their reactions their happiness. might not go too far to say about this we can expect the president to meet with them. he did extend that invitation. bill clinton, they have declined to come with him. but the president tomorrow on vausely very solemn occasion at ground zero, alex. >> thank you, mike. >> okay. lawmakers are sharpening their focus on american troops'
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role overseas and what steps are taken in afghanistan moving forward. today the house committee on homeland security talks about our fiscal four chuture and saf here at home. >> we cannot be achieving economies by cutting in areas that could lead to human life, which could encourage our enemy, especially now in the wake of bin laden's death. >> let's bring in nbc capitol hill correspondent sgluk good morning. >> if we look at this we go from afghanistan to pakistan to the security here at home. all major hot topics on the hill right now. >> they are, alex. osama bin laden's death has served as a catalyst for a lot of questions about what the u.s. national security policy should be moving forward. some see it as a reason to wind down the war in afghanistan. a real question though is the aid given by united states to the ally of pakistan, since 9/11 the u.s. has given over $20 billion to pakistan. a lot of lawmakers up here on capitol hill have questioned whether or not pakistan deserves
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that type of funding considers that they did not know osama bin laden was hiding less than a quarter of a mile from their version of west point. seasoned lawmakers have urged caution. listen to claire mccaskill on the issue of pakistani funding. >> we've got to be very careful about being too absolute about condemning pakistan at this point. we need the roots to our troops to pakistan. we need their airspace for our predator program that's been very effective in wiping out terrorists. so i think we've got to use this as a leverage point. >> i spoke to al rogers, the chairman of the house appropriations meeting yesterday, alex, and he said funding for pakistan will be examined coming up in the next few weeks and months. however, i spoke to one off the record who said, look, the u.s. and pakistan is a very bad marriage but it's one we have to stay in because t. of the children. what are those children? those are the dozens of nuclear weapons that pakistan has.
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if they were do get into the wrong hands, catastrophe in the united states. one house republican of texas that says, no funding should go to pakistan until they can prove that they did not know bin laden was there. look for more seasoned veterans of capitol hill who have a lot of intelligence, national security experience to say despite all the promise pakistan gives the united states they still need funding to secure the nukes. it will be an interesting debate though because that is here on that issue. >> interesting family analogy but makes sense. the numbers don't lie. president obama is seeing a surge in approval since bin laden's death. two major polls show two major positive bumps in job rating. now it's up to the administration to keep those numbers up into the next year. david goodfriend is democratic strategist during the clinton administration and brent is an republican strategist and president of middle field consulting. good morning. >> good morning. >> i want to start with these numbers here. is there a consensus among
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republicans that there is a temporary spike and that the guys prices and unemployment situation that will in all likelihood bring them back down quickly, the positive poll numbers? or do you think it's something the prident can sustain? >> well, alex, i think almost all of us is american so the problem made a right decision, did a great job. what happened on sunday and he has seen about a nine-point bump in the polls. the problem for the president is, tracking his numbers in the economy, he has dropped on that measure. i think with all of the excitement over sunday dies down, americans are going to start thinking about their wallets again and about the state of our economy. worries and concerns are going the rise. i think that's going to put tremendous pressure on the poll numbers and i think they will likely drop. >> david, what about the optics. we have this trip to ground zero scheduled for tm. very important visit for the president. it will help him connect with those who lost so much because of bin laden. how important is tomorrow in your estimation? >> well, i think all of this is incredibly important. but, i've been thinking a lot
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lately about what happened prior to sunday. if you remember, there was a dust-up over the president, releasing his birth certificate. and a lot of talk about donald trump. you see what that was was efforts by the far right wing, not reasonable people like my friend brent here, but trying to create obama as illegitimate or the other. all of these events lately show independence of republicans in particular that this is a president who is one of us, who is an american and is a leader and brings people together. and that's really important, it seems to me, because the more he's able to cast himself as he did in tucson, as he did on sunday, as the nation's leader, as somebody who we all look to as one of us, that rally diminishes the far right wing's of for thes to marginalize him. >> okay. brent, as we look ahead to november of 201, y2, you know, there has not been that person to get republicans all fired up for the election. some big names in gop circles,
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national traction, that's good. from quinn pack thipac, 49% fro heard of jon huntszman. 42%, mitch daniels. 35% of those polls don't know who tim pawlenty is and he's already out there on the stump, if you will. if they're going to be players in this race, don't they need to ratchet up their national exposure? >> actually no. the reality is right now what what thors for those early players are states like eye oh warks south carolina, new hampshire, and that's where they're spending their time and effort. it won't really affect their race moving forward. what matters for most americans is how they view the current president and whether or not that person should remain in the white house. and i disagree with david. i don't think it's the far right wing that the president needs to be concerned about. i think it's independents and moderate voters in this country who are concerned about the economy. and the president spent a huge amount of taxpayer money in the stimulus plan, promised unemployment wouldn't go above 8%. we got up around 10%. still above 8% today.
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i think we have seen the most recent poll numbers people are concerned about that. once sunday's euphoria dies down that's what people will think about and causes major problems for the president moving forward. >> brent, i agree with you that this is about the economy. i don't forget for a minute that george bush, the first george bush, had 91% approval rating and lost to an unknown governor from arkansas, bill clinton. that's right. but my point to you, brent, was that the effort by the far right wing to sway independents, to sway republicans, is failing. and what we see now increasingly is acceptance by independents and by some republicans that this is a president who wants to cross those lines and be inclusive, that's really what he ran on in the first place. that's what's going to carry him, i think, to victory in 2012. >> gentlemen, we're going to have to leave it there. he's shaking his head there to disagree. thank you. >> thank you. massachusetts courtroom today, five teenagers have agreed to admit to a minor
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charge of bullying a 15-year-old girl who later committed suicide. she hanged herself in her family's apartment last year after being described by prosecutors as an unrelenting online harassing, via text message and facebook. the teens are expected to plead guilty of criminal harassment and more serious charges will be dropped. the 16 charged in that case have not reached a deal. joining me now is legal analyst jew s susan. good morning. >> good morning. >> it appears to be a slap on the wrist for these teenagers. there's a young woman who died. >> yes, but a year ago, two years ago, two prosecutor in this country would have thought to bring criminal charges in a case of bully for a young woman who killed herself. would have been seen no legal nexus between what somebody did as a taunt in a school and what somebody did to herself in her closet at home. it's a huge c change in the landscape of law in the country. >> so this is now -- this is a case that is setting legal
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precedence in the area that we call now cyber bullying? >> well, yes. but this is beyond cyber bullying. these were taunts that happened to her face at school. they also did take place over the internet and on facebook. but this changes the face of bullying in this country. and it shows people that what used to be told to kids at school, oh, just take it, don't be a wimp, don't be a sissy is now not tolerated. it interferes with your right to an education, right to have yourself free from this kind of harassment. the schools don't tolerate, and the law doesn't tolerate it. >> here's one angle of it that is often complicating things. many of those that are perpetrating these crime or horrific behavior are minors. often aid and abetted by their parents. how does that complicate things when you're trying to go after kids that are doing this? >> that's not going to be tolerated either. that's what's so great about these cases because the law keeps advancing, the law keeps changing to catch up with the
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behavior. as the behavior keeps going, so does the law keep going. and these cases, advance and loss slowly. the law keeps advancing, this prosecutor really did set precedence. when the case was brought, how can she do this? how can this be a violation of civil rights? she's no longer in that office and her success or is prosecuting the cases. >> do you think you're going to have advocates for this kind of legal action and volunteer groups, action groups, are they going to be the ones that really try to hone in on this and bring more of these cases to the line? do you expect to see many more of them? >> absolutely. i think you're going to see parents. i think you're going to see students. i think you're going to see teachers. i think you're going to see schools. i think you're going to see people across country band together in outrage. i think you're going to see victims finally able to come forward to say this is happening to me, whereas before they would have been humiliated, ashamed, further name calling, people calling you sissy, wimp, just
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take it. i think things are getting better now. >> okay. strength in numbers. let's hope. well, whether it is facebook, twitter, instant messaging, or using a smart phone, technology certainly playing a larger role in our daily lives and it's not all good. sometimes we all need to just go off the grid. we'll talk about that, up next. ♪
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plan to break your tech addiction and regain balance in your life is exactly that. i'm joined by the book's author, daniel sieberg. >> i love to have this conversation. i just need to update my facebook page, then we can have the conversation. >> that's our told daniel. you had to go through a 28-day program. >> the book is driven by a personal theirive because i love technology and i want other people to love it, too, not put it in a blender. at some point i realized it was too much and i almost needed an intervention of sorts from my friends and family members. eventually it took the form of this book, which i hope will help other people, too. >> okay. why is it, though, you think that we are all so consumed. when i've lost this, when i've done twice. >> anxiety creeps in? >> until i get used to it and then it's actually kind of dmis. >> i think that's the book is meant to give people permission to think about these things. and awareness.
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and empower people. these days there's a broad spectrum of feeling addicted to technology or obsessed with it. on the one hand people are totally consumed by it. reins marriages and relationships. somewhere in the mid dle are th rest of us. we want to use the devices and social networks and everything else the way we want to. at some point they got the upper hand and the book is meant to give you control back in the long run. >> well, you can imagine the effect it will have on your personal life because it takes you away from the human connections but you talk about the aft on your body. >> yeah. absolutely. i think there are a lot of studies being done these days not only on your physical body that perhaps is making us lay c lazy, adding to obesity. i talked to neurologists about scoping our brain to a certain degree, we're feeling different about need that feedback about wanting that interaction from people and changing the way we develop and interact with each other. i have been through this. as i say, this is not as though
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i'm standing up on high and telling people what they need to feel and do. but -- and this is the kind of thing we're seeing more and more with young folks but also people who have been around technology for many years. >> yeah. when you were going through your digital diet detox, if you will, what was the most challenging thing for you? >> the hardest part was i needed to re-establish real relationships with people. i need to figure out we're what having a conversation was about again. this is not only with my family members who live in canada but with my wife, those people around me. it was a work thing as well. and that's what i hope the book does. it gives people the tools to empower them and to find that balance because it's about a happy medium. not about getting rid of technology entirely. >> and you said it's a 28-day program. i'll say it takes me a few hours to go through seriously like just panic when i've lost this a couple of times. >> it's broken into four steps. so it's meant to be digestible, in a sense. so the first step is all about this thing kind of relooking at how you use technology and what it's done to all of us. then it's about a little bit off
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a detox, a day or two, not to torture people but get some respective. then it is about reconnecting, having a coffee date, making plans with somebody you haven't seen in a little while, getting face to face time and then about revitalizing, using some technology. i use this term outsourcing self-control. some apps that can help you to manage your life better, your calendar, getting in shape, making sure you don't text and drive. and little tips like not throwing our devices on the table when we're having dinner, which i feel like people do all the time. it is a distraction. i call them tech turds. if i can throw it out there as one rule for everybody. >> daniel seeburg, thank you. a programming note. andrea mitchell will be in chicago tomorrow night for education nation on the road. she'll interview education secretary arne duncan and mayor elect rahm emanuel and a panel discussion about what does it mean for today's students to compete for tomorrow's economy. you can watch it on
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it's time for the flip side, a chance for us to go behind the headlines. while mother jones looked at some of the numbers associated with some of the most expensive manhunts in history, the search for bin laden, ten years ago al qaeda spent an estimated $400,000 to $500,000 to plan and carry out the september 11th attacks. compare that with the economic impact on new york city, at least $82.8 billion. the al qaeda leader spent 155 months on the fbi's most wanted list. that's almost 13 years. the state department offered a reward of $25 million for information leading to his
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capture. then there is the war in afghanistan, 1,045 u.s. troops were killed in action in afghanistan between 2001 and 2010. and in just three years, in 2007 to 2010, 9,759 afghan civilians have lost their lives. so in the end, just 79 american commandos and one dog took part in the raid that killed osama bin laden. i'm curious what is happening to the $25 million reward. we haven't figured out what -- >> you know what is so interesting, now there is a colorado man who says that he thinks he deserves part of it, we're going to explain why in the hour to come, why he's saying he deserves part of that. and now not just the $25 million that the government is offering, but $2 million added as an additional part of the private reward. alex, coming up, we're talking about the white house decision whether it is going to release the photo of osama bin laden's corpse and the impact that would have on the national psyche.
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good day, everyone. i'm contessa brewer covering the big news coast to coast and the big story we're watching today, a need to know. nbc news learned the president's about to decide whether to release the death photo of osama bin laden. >> there is no question that it is bin laden. >> leon panetta says the photo could prove to the world that the terror leader is dead. >> what i've heard of the pictures, they're not going to scare people off, they're not offensive. >> releasing the pictures could stir up anti-american sentiment among the taliban or other islamic groups. >> it could be enflamtory. >> this is not an easy call for the president because there is no one right answer. and no matter what he does, half the people aren't going to be happy. >> pakistani tv showed still pictures reportedly taken inside osama bin laden's lair after the special forces
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