a happy mother as day to all the mothers out there. more politics ahead with cenk uygur. is. good evening, everybody. i'm live from los angeles. we have fascinating news tonight. today president obama went to ft. campbell and personally thanks the troops who tracked and killed the world's most wanted terrorist. the commander in chief told troops there he ordered the operation, because despite the risks, he had, quote, 100% confidence in them. afterwards, he told the troops the story of a 14-year-old peyton wall, who lost her father on 9/11. he reminded them why the death of bin laden was so important. >> she explained how she still remembers that september morning almost ten years ago. she was only 4 years old. her father, glen, was trapped inside is the world trade center. so in those final frantic moments, knowing he might not

make it, he called home h and peyton remembers watching her mom sobbing as she spoke to her husband, and then passed the phone to peyton. in the words that were hard to hear, but what she's never forgotten, he said to her, i love you, peyton, and i will always be watching over you. so yesterday she was with us, strong, confident young woman, honoring her father's memory even as she set her sights on the future. and for her and for all of us, this week has been a reminder of what we're about as a people. >> an amazing story, and i love that he told that. look, that's why we went on that mission, that's why we've been hunting this guy for ten years. that's why all those troops behind him were working so hard

to get this guy. meanwhile, intelligence officials are poring over the moth motherlode of documents taken from the compound. until his death it's believed he played an active and direct role, not just a figurehead as many thought. a u.s. official says he was, quote, fully engaged to carry out other 9/11 attacks the raid might have also helped to thwart future attacks as well. meanwhile, al qaeda says it will release an audio message made by bin laden a week before his death. the group has confirmed the death of its leader and vows swift revenge, saying it will continue to plot and plan against america without fatigue, boredom or despair. i found that to be a curious statement. do they often get bored while making terrorist plans?

weird statement. officials have already uncovered a plot aimed at 2010. i good es that didn't work out for al qaeda. joining me now is senior investigative producer for nbc news, bob win dram, and nbc terror analyst evan kohlmann. we appreciate you both and your expertise on a night like this. how concerned should we be about the threats from al qaeda? >> tiffs kind of predictable in the claim announcing the death of bin laden. they don't that a lot. they talk about rivers of blood running in the streets. a lot of it never ends up happening. so we have to be concerned and vigilant, but just because al qaeda makes a threat, that doesn't necessarily mean there's a threat behind it. >> i'm glad you said that.

i never bite. it's not that i don't buy they're not planning things. of course they are. i don't buy the extra vigilance. if they have an opportunity to strike it, they're going to strike us. >> i think one of the concerns here is the home-grown extremists. we know operatives will strike when they are prepared, but there are people out there, including right here in the u.s., who have properly motivated, even though they have never spoken to osama bin laden, never been to pakistan, don't know anything about al qaeda other than what they read on the internet, they can be motivated to do something stupid. it's important we recognize that something like this, the death of bin laden could mott raid someone to do message like the massacre at ft. hood. so we have to be vigilant. a lot of this is blowing smoke. >> evan, i agree with you, we have to be vigilant for every time of attack that might happen, but speaking of that,

bob, it looks like we have some tapes that we found in the compound and apparently those might have some very interesting things in them, can you tell us more about that? >> yes, i think what you'll see tomorrow is sort of a competition between al qaeda trying to put out its audio statement and the united states government releasing some videotapes that were shot inside the compound. and what could be described as home movies. life inside the compound. the purpose of the release, we're told, is to once again provide an index of the reality of what happened the last week, which was that he was killed. you'll be seeing things that are very much part of the compound and we'll be seeing s. i expect, in some of the unreleased

propaganda video, some not so flattering pictures of osama bin laden. >> those videos inside the compound could be interesting. al qaeda cribs? it could be embarrassing. funniest home videos? my guess is they don't want the tapes out. i'm glad we have them. let me ask you about the safe house. apparently they had set one up close to bin laden's compound, that's interesting. can you tell us more about that? >> it's very clear the cia didn't fully trust the isi, and didn't trust the pakistanis, so they decided to consult their own investigation, and it's even more difficult to understand when the pakistani service says we did help out. well, no, you didn't. a lot of precautions were taken to make sure this raid went forward, the right target was hit, that u.s. casualties were avoided.

clearly this was planned out over a long period of time and very, very carefully. i think that explains why it was so successful. >> bob, we also find out that we might have more information on ayman al zawahiri. he's the number two at al qaeda. is that good news? or what's your take? >> a couple thing. zawahiri by his own count says the united states has tried to kill him six times. there was an attack on a compound where he was living and he barely escaped. we have tried to go after him as a country on a number of occasions. whether he is the heir apparent, however, is somewhat in dispute. some in the u.s. government believe that because of his arrogance and because of his lack of popularity, that there will be others in line for this job, including an american anwar al awlaki, and ilyash kashmiri.

these are younger men that zawahiri. al kashmiri is 46. so we can expect to see that at some point in the near future. >> cross your fingers and hope they fight it out. if they turn on each other, that would be fantastic. john yew is with the bush administration, thor iced torture, he's got a new interesting theory, he says special forces units using nonlethal weaponry might have taken bin laden alive. if true, an opportunity has slipped through our hands. now, there's some irony here in that conservatives who pushed the dead or alive theme for bin laden are now complaining that we killed him, but, you know, tell us the state of the

intelligence. would bin laden have helped? is there any chance he would have turned on the other al qaeda? or was most of the information in the hard drives, the videos, et cetera, as far as we can tell. >> you always want a live suspect, no doubt about it. it's always better than having them dead. by default you can automatically get more information than when he's dead, but trying to second-guess the decisions made by a navy s.e.a.l. team on the ground where they're confronted with people who have no desire but to kill them, i don't think that's reasonable second-guessing to me. the men did what they needed to do based on what was happening on the ground. in an ideal world, we would have osama bin laden in a u.s. courtroom right now facing a judge, but that doesn't always work that way. i really think if you're going to make that kind of assessment you should first speak with the navy s.e.a.l. team and find out what was going through their mind at the time they shot bin

laden. >> and john yoo is not heavy on facts anyway. looking at any point people can be inspired to commit attacks here, unfortunately. i have an amazing fact. it turns out out of 1453 people that tried to purchase a gun that were on our list, 1321 were able to. >> it certainly is an amazing statistic. it goes to databases are not perfect, and the laws are not perfect, but certainly what you can see here is that we have a society where a enlo gunman can obviously change history. we have seen that in our lifetimes, or some of us have, and i think the reality going forward is that nothing is probably going to be more the focus of u.s. intelligence, u.s. law enforcement, u.s. counterterrorism than that lone gunman, and this is something

that should give them a great deal of concern. >> and i know the nra fights those laws. i can't believe we live in a country where we're having a discussion whether people on a terrorist watch list should be able to have weapons. we've lost that conversation, and they are allowed to have weapons. it's crazy. bob windrem and evan kohlmann, thank you for your expertise tonight. one of our senators says he knows pakistan is still hiding terrorists. was this disaster with pakistan with how george bush initially handled that country? and rush limbaugh stoops to a new low, even for 4i78. why does he think president obama should be apologizing for killing bin laden? ♪ [ male announcer ] when you come to new york from a place like detroit, no one expects you to influence the world of fashion. but when you grew up surrounded by rock 'n' roll

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the killing of bin laden made this a week or country will

never forget. since the stunning announcement, president obama has received congratulations from across the globe and the political spectrum. most republicans were able to put the petty politics aside and give the president credit for a job well done. but there was one grumpy old man who couldn't bring himself to put it aside. he's david koch. quote, all that obama did was say yay or nay, we're going to take him out or not. i don't think he contributed much at all. >> yeah, not much of a contribution except for picking the right strategy in pakistan, picking the right tactic, and completely accomplishing a goal. remember, when republicans used to talk about how you had to respect the commander in chief? all of a sudden not so much. koch went on to say, president obama is scary because of his political views.

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even's we give pakistan billions in aid. carl levin says he believes that top levels of the pakistani government knew about bin laden and know about other terrorists as well. the thing which astounds me more than anything, of course, is the idea that people in pakistan higher up in the intelligence service or the army or police, local officials, didn't know he was there. i find that so difficult to

believe. a bigger issue. they do know where the haqqani network is. >> they know that while we're giving them billion in aid. we give a total of $20 billion since 2001. lately we've been doling out at least $1.3 billion a year, apparently getting little in return. pakistan has gotten used to us not holding them accountable through the bush years, where we seem to have put little pressure on them. bush had no clue about pakistan when he took office. he's unable to name the leader. >> the new pakistani general, he took over office, it appears he'll bring stability to the country, and i think that's good news. >> you can't name him. >> general, i can't name the general.

>> he came to power through a coupe, and that became very relevant as the bush administration kept trusting him over and over again, as if he was good for pakistan and our interests. by 2006, the evidence was already mounting that pakistan was giving cover to terrorists, but the bush team still didn't get it. >> the pakistanis aren't willing to seek bin laden, where are we? >> i don't buy the premise of your question. president musharraf has been a great ally. he's put his neck on the line in order to be effective in going after the extremist elements, including al qaeda and including the taliban in pakistan. >> oops.

they had the wrong strategy. bid laden is dead, and word that the u.s. has launched its first drone attack killing ten people in a taliban stronghold near the afghan border. you want to talk tough on terror? that's how you do it. joining me now is colonel lawrence wilkerson who served as chief of staff to general powell. great to have you here, colonel. i know that pakistan has a lot of nuance, it's not as simp as you give them aid or you don't, but to the outside world, as you look back at the bush administration it appeared we were far too trusting. >> i would say that's probably a fair assessment, but i listened to your lead-in, and was thinking the most damaging thing we did was we took our eye off

the ball in the afghan/pakistan theater. when we went to iraq, it basic basically a backwater, an economy of force theater, as we say in the military. when we went to iraq, afghanistan was just there. we weren't doing very much there. it was wasted time. in that time, as you pointed out, musharraf spent most of the money we were giving him on beefing up the army to confront india, not on delivering jobs to his people, better infrastructure, education and so forth, which should have been the purpose of that money. >> colonel, i'm really curious to what happened in the white house. obviously there are a lot of smart people that work there, including colin powell, including yourself, that knew the dynamic within pakistan. so when you said, wait a minute, why are we taking our eye off the ball in afghanistan and pakistan, what was the reaction? how did it work internally?

>> i don't think there was as much debate as there should have been. my boss was adamant there were a couple reasons why we shouldn't do iraq at the time we did it one was we didn't have the international support and then the legitimacy. probably more to your point, it was bad timing. we simply didn't have the armed forces, the assets to prosecute two theaters with vigor simultaneously. he knew if we were going to iraq, we would leave the theater that was probably the more important one on its own for a long period of time, however long it took us to stabilize things in iraq. we knew it would take longer than five or six months to do iraq right. >> you know, i remember back then i was pulling my hair out like, he's in afghanistan, why are we sending more people to iraq than we are to the afghanistan/pakistan area? it made no sense. >> i think that's become so clear that i wonder why the

american people haven't gotten on to it yet. yesterday, or day before yesterday, the iraq oil report made the projections that there's 100 billion barrels for sure, 200 billion probably, and at the outside 300 billion. that dwarfs saudi arabia. i know why dib cheney went to iraq. >> wow. you're saying that it didn't have to do with al qaeda or bin laden. it had to do with the oil. >> that was the camouflage. that was to get the american people excited about going to war in iraq again. the real reason for iraq, and incidentally the reason we aren't coming home anytime soon is the oil. >> you know, you mentioned dick cheney as if he was making the decisions. i want to play one more clip from george bush in that same interview and get a response from you. let's watch first. >> can you name the president of chechnya. >> no, can you? >> the president of taiwan?

>> yeah, lee, theual pakistani general took over office, he appears he's going to bring stability to the country, and i think that's good news. >> but you can't name him? >> general. i can't name the general. >> and prime minister of india? >> the new prime minister of india is -- no. >> now, at the time, i remember some people said, well, that was unfair, you can't ask somebody running for president to know world leaders, but his profound lack of knowledge, did it lead to people like dick cheney being ability to really take control and do that the president was not savvy enough to understand? >> in my view, absolutely so. the president was not steeped in much of anything. dick cheney is one of the most competent, capable bureaucrats. i would have declared him at the

end of the time period, the best secretary of defense, but that best was because of the his decision-making ability, his executive ability. he brought that to the white house. george w. bush does not possess that ability, ergo guess who became president in that first term. >> more strong words. that's why we love having you on, real truth, that's what we try to get here. retired army colonel wilkerson, as always, a great pleasure to have you. >> thanks for having me. conservatives were always praising george w. bush for being tough on terror. now they're saying bin laden should not have been killed. are you kidding me? their explanation is our con job of the day. remember way back when this guy was a republican rock star? the process of tearing him down has begun, and it's coming from his own party. if i ask sheila out?

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we take a look at conservatives efforts to reflect badly on the president. rush limbaugh says since the obama administration advocated against harsh tactics, they didn't get bin laden as soon as they should have. >> they owe us an opportunity for taking every opportunity to undermine or efforts to track down bin laden and other terrorists. >> but, wait a minute. the bush administration was the one that did the enhanced interrogation tactics in the first place. by rush's logic, shouldn't they

have caught him a long time ago? bush doesn't owe us an apology for not catching osama bin laden for less than seven years? but obama owes us an apology for catching him in less than two? that's not only it. >> can the president kill whoever he wants? >> apparently so. we're trying to do it in libya now. >> really? now we shouldn't have killed bin laden? that's your conservative talking point? i don't remember anyone on the right being concerned about bin laden's legal rights when it was this guy going after him. >> i want justice, and there's an old poster out west, as i recall, that said wanted, dead or alive. >> so back then dead or alive was awesome. now that it's a democratic president who delivered on that promise, all of a sudden fox news isn't sure it's legal.

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since the 2010 election it's been a downhill slide for the gop, fueled by paul ryan's disastrous plan to privatize medicare. republican leaders are trying to run away from it, but the damage is done. they're almost all on the record for voting for it. but the first test is coming up later this month in a special congressional election in upstate new york in the race for craigslist congressman chris lee's empty seat, remember this guy? we'll miss you. the district should have been an easy win. state assembly woman jane core

win, it's heavily republican. a majority of registered voters in the district are over 45, and corwin's staunch support may dim her chances. kathy hochul is only down five points. that's amazing. the republicans were on full display last night. the big-name contenders didn't bother to show up. the most popular guy there, based on recent polls was ron paul, coming in a whopping 35% in the recent polls. john boehner didn't even care enough to watch it. he spent his night at a steakhouse. sounds like an average night for boehner, swilling cabernet all night long. he said there's more time for people to get in. wow, that's not exactly a hardy

endorsement for the field. they spent a lot of time on social issues and of course bashing obama on foreign policy, despite the fact we just got bin laden. here's a sample of the debate. >> governor pawlenty, you've had plenty to say about romney-care. >> governor romney is not here to defend himself, so i'm not going to pick on him or the position he took in massachusetts. >> what president obama has done on his watch, the issue that is have come up while he's been president, he's gotten it wrong strategically every single time. >> most of the people in elective office in washington, d.c. they have held public office before. how is that working for you? we have a mess. how about sending a problem-solver to the white house. >> how many people would use heroin if it was legal? i'll bet nobody would. yeah, i need the government to take care of me. i don't want to use heroin, so i need these laws.

>> they spent less than six minutes on jobs and the economy. that's amazing. the guy who clearly won the debate according to frank luntz's focus group, it was herman cain. have you even heard of cain? congressman jeff duncan was obviously frustrated with the direction of the debate and said if i had to advise them, i would say get back to the issues at hand, energy independence, and our nation's national debt. translation, this group did not do the job. joining me now is dana mill bank columnest for "the washington post," and msnbc political analyst richard wolffe. dana, let me start with you. herman cain, only one person out of i believe 29 was in favor of him going in. >> full disclosure, cenk, i'm

completely in the tank for herman cain. that was an astounding performance. do you remember the old movie don't tell mom the baby-sitter is dead? first the mom leaves, then the baby-sitter dies and the children are left to fend for themselves. that's what it was. we all make jokes about herman cain, who is he? well, who are are any of these guys. even the mortgageally wounded mitt romney, the is really in practice a viable candidate. so who's to say that herman cain cannot become the front-runner? >> richard, are the president's enemies his best friends? >> well, let's just look at this composition here. if you were ron paul, the front-runner clearly in this field, you would be worried about -- or trebling to six, based on the luntz piece of it,

and more importantly who will be the rodeo clown when you have ten people on stage and some of them could win the nomination? i think the whole party has to worry about who's playing what role here? tim pawlenty will have lots of competition for the dull, respectable slot, and now it's just massively overpopulated in the jokes terr. >> well, listen, i love any discussion of pawlenty. i think he's the most overhyped candidate possibly of my life. he's never scored above, what, maybe 4% in one of the polls? he gets clowned last night by herman cain, dana, did he more damage by being in the debate and not shining? >> i have to think so. i mean, the idea was that he was going to be the only grownup in the room, but the problem is he gets gary johnson, this guy who's nobody heard of, used to be the governor of new mexico,

who wants legalized drugs and prostitution, gets just as much time as tim pawlenty. the worst moment of the night was him saying, i'm sorry, it was a mistake, i never should have supported cap and trade, so he's apologizing rather than scoring points. the guys who didn't show up definitely made the right move. ron paul got the biggest applause of the night when he was talking about afghanistan, but it was different than you would suspect. let's watch it. >> now that he's killed, boy, it is a wonderful time for this country now to rye assess it, and get the troops out of afghanistan and end that war that hasn't helped us and hasn't helped anybody in the middle east. >> richard, what does that tell you about the state of war originally started by

republicans? >> last time i checked, they liked those dollars that come with military spending. i have the flashbacks with mccain says when they got saddam hussein, it didn't make us safer. a lot of people on the progressive side said that was a great thing. it was a losing prop position, and i think now that -- i'm not change that afc in fact the president will be drawing down troops in july, but the prospect of dug being ripped apart by a guy on their own team, that's a party at war with itself. wow, it's only five points apart

in a district that would not be -- is that significant trouble ahead for 2012? 1i6r789s potentially. a lot of those voter may come home, but it's no accident. they'll say nice things about paul ryan, but nobody is really embracing the plan. we did see santorum come out and say, in fact he would go further than ryan and would voucherize medicare for those on the program right now. that didn't seem to be an overwhelmingly popular thing last night. so it's clearly something that they're fleeing from, you know, the best move at this point politically is to change the subject. >> right, we had an election in wisconsin, i know it's a state election, but that flipped to a democratic district. steven doyle won 54-46 over john

lautz. that happened this week, small signs, but they're growing. when you pud that together with a weak field, richard, and by the way, donald trump just got kicked out of a nascar event. he was supposed to do the lead car and they said -- indy car, i should say. when you put all that together, god, it looks like a disaster at this point at least for the republicans, doesn't it? 9. >> the disaster is yet to unfold. the ryan budget which they hailed as courageous will be the longest suicide note in political history. watching republicans explain how they were before it before they were against it will just be wonderful to watch for all of us. never mind donald trump, the comedic effect of the pretzel shapes there, they're going to turn themselves into will be the spectacle of the next year.

>> dana, i never quite believed obama was doing the rope-a-dope policy, but if he was, i guess this was it, right? they really overreached with medicare. if at any time there's time for a knockout punch after a long bout of rope-a-dope, it looks like this would be it, right? >> it looks that way. it's better to be lucky than be good. i suspect the president was less of, yes, they were trying to smoke the republicans out to do this, but they couldn't have possibly guessed it would work out this way, so definitely it's worked out to their advantage, fragmented the field further, but if ron paul can get cheers for legalizing heroin, perhaps he with boost some cheers for this med kash plan. >> i think legalizing heroin is far more popular. i mean that literally.

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but this is -- >> one of the problems is the job americans are getting is pretty low-paying. 62,000 were created by mcdonald's alone last quarter. as the average working person is struggles. their profits wednesday up. in 2010, the average dpen session for an s&p 500 ceo was $9 million. that's their average. that was up 24% from 2009. so what are politicians dock about all this? are they creating jobs? seeing we're still at 9% unemployment? no, they're doing the bitting of

corporations. joining mess is robert reich, he's going to help us figure this out. how long have we been told that the corporations doing well -- the republicans keep chanting job creators, job creators, but it doesn't appear they are creating nearly enough. so why is this disparity? >> well, one reason they are doing so well, and we see corporate profits almost up to pre-recession levels is because they're cutting payrolls. if they can cut their payrolls and ship the jobs abroad or replace them with automated

machinery or the internet or software, that means more money for the corporation and higher profits. jobs are not coming back at the rate they should be, because they basically want to make more money. >> when the republicans tell us night in, night out, we have to create more jobs. sand, by the way, they're doing it right now. you can talk about the laws they're passing. how much nonsense is that based on this evidence, these facts? >> it's a lot of nonsense, in fact huge nonsense. these big corporations are sitting on almost $2 trillion of cash. back so much executive pay is related to shares of stock. they are doing mergers and acquisitions, buying up other companies, expanding production

abroad. they are not expanding jobs here in the united states by in the reasonable amount. the jon numbers look pretty good. if you consider we need about 350,000 new jobs every single month for the next three, four years to get back to 6% unemployment, this is a very poor jobs numbers, and a very poor jobs report, given what we all to be seeing in a recovery. let me give you two graphs that are really telling. when you look at the top 1% of americans, their average income tax rate has decline from 34.5% in 1980 all the way down to 23.27%. the number you're looking at there is their income, their share of total income for the country. it went up from 9.5% to 20%.

what they told us is, hey, if you lower our taxes, that's the number you're looking at there, don't worry, it will dumb down to you, but it didn't. we have 9% unemployment. where did it go? from 8.5 to 20%. >> exactly, cenk. there's no trickle down. trickle-down economics is a bhig fat lie. we have many, many top executives, ceos, hedge fund managers, wall street executives, they're making anotherles of money, paying 15% taxes. that's lower than most secretaries, lower than most middle class, working class people. how are they getting away with it? capital gains, they're treating more and more of their income as capital gains and dividends taxed now at 15%. they are setting the rules. you and i, average working americans across this country, the middle class, are not setting the rules. >> look, that's because they

rigged the rules, as you say. let me show you a chart, graph of income and equality. we're now between uganda and the ivory coast. we have worse income equality than pakistan ka zackistapakist ethiopia. >> one of the reasons we're having trouble pulling away from the gravitational pull, is people don't have enough money. what our politicians ought to be doing, instead of worries about the long-term budget deficit, what they ought to be doing is worrying about putting more cash, more money, more jobs for average working people. cut payroll taxes, create a wpa for people, if you can't provide another way of creating jobs. >> secretary reich, thank you so much. we've got to go. we'll be right back. she felt lost...

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you know, earlier in the show we talked about how al qaeda might try to attack us. of course, that's what they always do. but what bothers me is when people are afraid of al qaeda. look, they're going to try to attack us either way. it's not like they were holding back, and there's nothing you can do about that. i don't mean it in a defeatist way. i mean it in terms of unless you're a cia guy or in the navy seals, s.e.a.l.s. in fact, it helps um if you're terrorized. i don't want you to get freaked out and don't travel or whatever it might be. it's about our values. i don't want us to be so scared that we change the way that we do thing, that all of a sudden we're so scared we do torturing of people, we do indefinite detentions, lawless black sites, we invade random countries that

didn't have anything to do with 9/11, and we're so afraid we don't even use our own justice system. he was hanging out in two rooms, pacing back and forth. it was literally the plumber. he had his sink clogged. he's a normal guy. we've got the superior firepower. we have the superior intelligence system. we have the superior justice system. yes, of course we can't stop every attack, but we can't be paralyzed by fear, either. we have to go out and conquer the world with our ideas, you know the ones we used to believe in, before 9/11, that's what we've got to get back to. all right. that's been our show. thank you for watchi. you can always follow me online. and facebook and twitter. we actually read your tweets, and sometimes read them right here. "hardball" starts right