it indicates to us that in addition to become the symbolic leader of al qaeda, that osama bin laden was involved in the strategic operations including propaganda efforts. >> you can bet this video isn't part of the prop gaga efforts. they're releasing this video and painting a new portrait of the terrorist that certainly clashes with his image of a jihadist super hero. jim miklaszewski is in washington with more. mick. >> they're sifting through the thousands of al qaeda documents that the u.s. military gathered up during the raid on the bin laden compound in pakistan. most of this information is being very closely held, but they couldn't resist releasing the osama bin laden tapes. the videotapes at first appear to be all too familiar. the striking osama bin laden delivering yet another

anti-american rachblt but in these, we get the first glimpse of bin laden not as the world's most notorious terrorist but as a prisoner in his own compound. armed only with a tv remote, bin laden is watching videos of himself. he appears as an old man in a stocking cap wrapped in a blanket against the room's cold. the room is sparse. unlike the staged videos where his beard is dyed black, here it's mostly gray. u.s. officials say it's the same gray beard he had when they shot and killed him. >> here he died, isolated, a prisoner, as much as if he had been in maximum security for the better part of five years. >> the u.s. government clearly released the tapes in an effort to portray him not as a leader of the terrorist movement but as an age fugitive trying to survive. in some segments he's seen stumbling through his lines,

glancing off camera for direction but cameras can be deceiving. u.s. intelligence officials say bin laden was still actively involved in the strategic and terrorist operations in al qaeda and still interested in attacking the u.s., targets that would create mass casualties such as trains or planes, but for nearly ten years he's also been on the run. the past five years combined to this compound, sur runlded only by his family and a couple of trusted couriers. >> what is important is he never left the compound, never got on a telephone, and lived trying to survive against the surveillance and scrutiny of the u.s. >> the group's number two, ayman

al zawahiri lacks the charisma to follow bin laden. there are still questions as to what the pakistani government may have known about bin laden's whereabouts before that raid on the compound in abat a bad. but they suggest there may have been some elements of the pakistani military and intelligence services that knew and serious questions are now being raised. back to you. >> thank you so much, jim miklaszewski. let's go to the white hou. that's where nbc's mike viqueira is joining me. a good sunday morning to you, my friend. >> happy mother's day, alex. >> thanks so much. let's get to who knew what and when. first of all, how are things between the white house and pakistani leadership right now? >> it's very interesting. the national security adviser here at the white house, his name is john donilin, he made his rounds on sunday's shows including meet the breas"meet ."

there's no secret in the immediate aftermarket of that dramatic announcement that the president made behind me a week ago today that suspicions have been raised. there is no possible way implicit of a lot of government official, no possible a way that the government of pakistan could not have known at least some of the el managements. could not have known that osama bin laden was there after all, just a matter of a mile or two from the military academy in pakistan. donilin was asked about this this morning by david gregory on "meet the press," and here's what he had to say. >> we've had differences with pakistan. the harboring, there was some support network in abbottabad, pakistan. they need to investigate that and they need to provide us intelligence by the way

including access to osama bin laden's three wives. >> clearly not shutting the door, the united states leaving open the possibility there there could have been elements within the pakistani element that were impolicen't of his presence at the compound, alex. >> how about all the controversy about waterboarding which following under the caption of interrogation techniques. what is the white house saying about that? >> donilin was asked this directly many times. dick cheney condemned or smarlly criticized obama on enhanced interrogation. enhanced interrogations has become sort of a euphemism for waterboarding and many on the right say this operation would never have come to the fruition or they would have never had the information that was necessary to go in after bin land if they had not gleend information

specific lick from waterboarding. donilin would not answer that question directly. he said there's a mosaic, quote/unquote of a technique that would lead the united states to the conclusion that osama bin laden could be there. remember, again, alex, he said today, a 50/50 chance that osama bin laden was in that compound. we now know the answer though that question, alex. >> we sure do. thank you so much. enjoy the time with your family today. >> thank you. let's go now live to islamabad. peter, what's the reaction to the new videos. >> reporter: alex, happy mother's day to you from islamabad. if it was to put to rest any doubt in this country that osama bin laden was killed here. they do not believe the official

version of the events. there's skepticism, conspiracy where people don't believe their government, they don't believe what they see or hear from the media and they certainly don't believe the u.s. government. we had a chance o today to speak to some of the pakistani people in one of the parks here. this is sunday, a holiday here, the people we spoke to said, you know, in one of them you see osama bin laden's profile. how do we know for sure that's him. in other videos, they say it didn't look like him and perhaps it was an imposter or look alike. they're highly embarrassed. >> peter, with regard to the wives that are in custody right now, they're being questioned, the u.s. has asked to get ahold of them and question them themselves. it's not happening. is the u.s. finding out anything they're saying to pakistani

officials? >> there's little information leaking out here. very little is confirmable. one of the pieces of information being reported right now coming from obama's youngest wife is that before the bin ladens lived in abbottabad, they lived closer to abbottabad, she reportedly told authorities, living in a rural farming village that we visited. we went there. this town has about 300 or 400 homes, 3,000 or 4,000 people who live there and everyone that i spoke to, everyone asked said if a 6'4" saudi, a foreigner with a big family and familiar face like osama bin laden had lived here, we certainly would have known it. they don't believe it and frankly many of them don't believe he's dead. >> i find that fascinating. okay, peter alexander, and thank you for the mother's day wishes from islamabad. you win for the furthest away.

we look further into the coverage of bin laden. has america achieved its goal in afghanistan with his death? we'll get to that. in the meantime more than 350 people are waking up in memphis, tennessee, at a shl ter after forced to evacuate their homes from a rise of the mississippi river. a handful of homes in the northern part of the city are completely flooded and as many homes and businesses are flooded, the river is not expected to crest in memphis until late tomorrow. >> looking at all of this water, there's nowhere to put it. it's just sitting. >> they don't have nowhere totutt money. it has go somewhere. it's going flood our house up. >> jay gray is live for us once again. we've been getting perspective of the deep waters. how much have you seen the situation change in the past 24 hours, jay? >> reporter: a lot, alex.

unfortunately those folks saying the water doesn't have anywhere to go. it's going to go and it's going in places, rising significantly here. a little faster than we thought. we initially found out overnight the gauge they use in mississippi is off. they've moved to a secondary gauge. over 47 feet right now. take a look behind me. we'll show you what it's doing and why people are being forced into shelters. you're talking 350 being there. that's going to go up significantly. the home nebehind me already gog to the second floor. the woman has pulled everything out of her home. she has pulled out of her home. she's hoping to move back in. as you work across, you can see the rooftop of the shed. we've been showing you that at morning. you can see the water level is coming up on that and it's going continue to rise here back

across and to the school. as you said, we're in a playground that's literally a river right now. the school, volunteers, teachers spent a couple of days building this sand bag wall. they built it to 50 feet. it's been pressed into service right now. so far the good news right now, it's working. and so that's a very good thing for the school. no water in the school right now. the concern is it's going to keep coming snup can i ask you how cold the water is or not? >> it's pretty chilly. it's amazing though. we're working on a grade. everything is built up on a hill here. we've had to move up the hill as the water's moved up. it seems to be coming up faster today than it has the last couple of days so it seems like we are moving toward that crest, alec. a lot of passenger even locals coming out to take a look and take pictures because they've

never seen it like this. >> you're going have sore shoulder muscles. >> i'm a guy that talks with my hands. what do i do? >> keep them folded up. thanks, jay gray. rain is expected in some areas. dry heat in others. and can you believe it? there is a chance of snow in parts west on this mother's day. let's get a check of your sunday's forecast with weather channel's alex wallace. good morning. >> happy mother's day, alex. on this sunday we're going to be tracking showers and storms across the midwest, even storms there. also active weather as we work our way into the part of the southern mid-atlantic. northeast looks pretty good. right around new york city enjoying a 70 degree afternoon. there's some of those showers and storms. charlotte, you'll top out at 81. warm times in florida but a warm day in tampa. into the southern plains, here we go. widespread 90s, we'll find plenty of that into texas.

very, very warm in these areas in the coming days. here's some of the storms around the twin cities. you're probably going to see more clouds and sunshine through the day than wet weather up into portland. here's our heat. record powe tell chal here for us. sunday into monday, high temperature in wichita reaching # 9. the record 15. so maybe coming a little short, but still close enough. ite e going to be pretty hot. springfield, upper 80s. we'll watch the heat spread and expand toward the east and northbound. look at des moines for your tuesday. we're talking 93 degrees. the record is 90. so record highs will be falling in the coming days. alex? >> thank you. a murder case that's capturing worldwide attention. why is the casey anthony trial capturing so much attention? we'll take a look. the defense of a little boy charged with the murder of his father who's the lead over a well known neo-nazi group.

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back to the newly released videos. just one look and it's easy to see why al qaeda kept them under wraps. one shoes him sitting on the floor watching tv. you see the room right here. there's no furniture to speak of. it just evoked the same reaction as one of the highly produced videos where bin laden threatens america. another good sunday morning to you, sir. >> happy mother's day, alex. >> thank you so much. >> to you and my 99-year-old mother mary mccaffrey.

>> well, good for her. i know she's proud of her son. what's your biggest takeaway? >> i think a lot of things, alex. one thing is what we don't know. donilin from the white house this morning accurately laid out the notion that we've got hundreds of megabytes of information, bank accounts, names all over the world. these people are scrambling to survive now. i think the second thing is, yeah, he had strategic impact on the war. this was not the headquarters. this was an aging guy with a bunch of children and his wives and a couple of people supporting him along with his sons. so there was no tactile direction of the war coming out of that house in pam stan. >> do you have any concern, sir, that as we watch these videos, those that are al qaeda sympathizers are going to feel sorry for him and that may spur

imflaned anger and emotion toward the united states? >> there ee's a lot of emotion anger in the united states. that's a problem for us in many parts of the muslim world. having said, that i'm not sure that's relevant. there are several hundred al qaeda operatives who are now in an incoherent organization. for the next year or two, they won't know if they're under surveillance, their telephone's being monitored. they won't be willing to accept a conference call from their buddies. this is a huge blow to al qaeda. this doesn't mean we're not safe from this organization. they're going to get wrapped up by saudi intelligence, pakistani intelligence, whatever. >> how does this affect them, sir? >> i thinkite going be used as a political factor.

the problem with pakistan is we don't know how to come out of there. if we do precipitously, it will be a disaster for the afghans, pakistanis, u.s. foreign policy. our allies will be angry for a generation, that we've got to come into pakistan. we don't know how to leave. i think we're hopeful in the next couple of years the significant troops on the ground add the afghan security forces will bring stability to the country. the jury is out. >> always glad to have you, sir. thank you so much. i'm so glad you wished your 99-year-old mom a happy mother's day. i wish her one too. great accomplishment. thank you, general. straight ahead, there's better news at the gas pumps. gas prices are tag, but how low will they go? >>. and in honor of all of your mothers, a survey by yahoo! asks which celebrity mom has the best style.

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case? a 10-year-old boy? >> it's so interesting and different and, quite frankly, really ahead of its time or maybe not in the best perspective. this is a 10-year-old in california the prosecutors are claiming they're going to charge him as an adult. that is extremely rare. the law there is 14 or over. that's even possibly to be considered. in this case they are going to push the judge to try this child as an adult. he ee's 10. now that is a big stretch from 10 to 14, and 14 is even very young because the adult in california is 18. the age of consent is 18. >> we're talking about an offense of what? >> what the prosecution is claiming is there there was motive of forethought. they're not telling us what that could have been. so the sentence he is facing if he's tried as an adult is 25 years to life for murder, intentional murder, which is tellny in california. so i'm very, very surprised that

this is happening, that they haven't really released much information, so we don't know where they're coming up with these conclusions. >> but the fact that his father was a major leader in the knee oh nazr movement, is that kind of information and the kind of lifestyle and i imagine the discussions and behavior at home, is that what they're going to use to say the kid was insane? will that weigh in on that? >> i'm assuming -- we don't know too much. but what we can extract is the father was a neo-nazi and apparently there was violence in the home. there has been some reports that from 2003 to now the child services has been called doerks mess tick violence, police have arrived at the scene. the child himself was violent in school and he attributed that toward his father's violence from him. i assume they'll extract from the child with the psychologist

and maybe there's been a psychological ee skral yags that he's insane, that he didn't know what he was doing at the time. >> what do you do? >> you have an obligation. this is a 10-year-old child. you have a responsibility to pursue everything. if he was abused, emotionally insa insane, your obligation is to save him from a life of jail and maybe have him be rehabilitated psychologically. i'm not saying there isn't somewhere he needs to go, but maybe jail for 25 years to life, it might not be the best choice if the boy was emotionally or physically abused his whole life. we don't know what we're facing here. when the facts come out, we'll know a little better. >> thanks for going with it. the u.s. is asking some tough questions about what pakistan knew about osama bin laden's secret hideout, but could the answers lead to a diplomatic breaking point? you're watching "msnbc sunday." .

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there's no hard evidence that pakistan knew osama bin laden was hiding out in one of its suburbs, but there's suspicion. this morning tom donilin was asked about the complicated relationship between the u.s. and pakistan. >> it is important to underscore here that we need to act in our national interest. we have had difficulty with pack stab, as i said, but we've also had to work with pakistan in our counterterror efforts. >> you still didn't trust them enough to share the details of the operation beforehand. >> that's not a matter of trust or mistrust. it's a matter of operational security. >> not everyone is convinced that they need to be close partners in the war on terror. earlier i spoke with gordon chang who says pakistan's archrival india is far more important. >> we've been trying to work

with both pakistan and india. our cia worked with them against the militants. but also the isi at the same time works with other militants to attack india, and the indians are losing patience with all of this. jeff at the end of last month, they canceled or they made ineligible or two u.s. defense contractors for their $10 billion fighter project and basically india is showing impatience. we've got to make a choice. the choice is between the next super power. for me that's a very clear choice to make. >> what is our relationship with india? it is a key ally, but does this patience-waning perspective pose problems? >> i think it does because into ya is so much more powerful than pakistan. clearly, when you look at the two countries, india is the more successful and will certainly be the most successful.

it's going to be the world's most populous country in about ten years and it's going to have a tremendous economy. we need to be on the right side of this one. >> if it's merges that pakistan knew that osama bin laden was out there and the isi, military government officials that not necessarily aided and abetted but at leastiquette that to themselves, how does that change the equation? >> people in washington are saying we need to get tougher with pakistan. but we've been saying that for two decades and things don't get better. we basically need to switch side sthoos what are we afraid of? >> i don't know. i think we feel that because pakistan is so dangerous we need to work with them. there's a certain amount of logic. over two decades we've tried do that, and it hasn't worked. >> the question of how much pakistan knew is creating tension between washington and islamabad today. ab stoddard continues to stay

with us. any country that harbors terrorism is a terrorist do. you think this is a policy that president obama would agree with? what would it mean for the situation with pakistan? >> or yemen. we're -- we're in a very tense situation with pakistan now. but the administration has chosen to disagree with your guest and keep its enemy closer. the reliance on pakistan in not only the hunting down of al qaeda members but in also our earths to defeat the taliban and pakistan is essential. are they a reliable partner? are they credible at this point? maybe not. but there is a very strong -- you saw a strong reaction on capitol hill, bipartisan reaction on capitol hill this week for questioning aid, continued aid to pakistan and, you know, the role -- the

complicity that we see in pakistan in bin laden's ability to hang out all these years right an hour from the seat of government and right near a military school, set cetera. but this is something that the administration really does not kur kur with. the idea that we would throw our hands in the air and cut off aid and try to find other partners in the war. as you mentioned, most of the terrorists are caught in pakistan, often populated areas. we need to continue to stay in pack stand we need to continue to hunt down terrorists in yemen. just because they harbor terrorists doesn't mean they're government terrorists. they're the hotbeds now for al qaeda, and this administration believes that we need to stay there. >> okay. let's get to a somewhat controversial topic there.

as general michael hayden was on "meet the press" this morning, and a.b., this is what he sabd those techniques like waterboarding. >> one of the key threads that we began this from came from information from cia detainees and tall those particular detainees hat terrorist attacks against them. you can't deny we got valuable information from these folks. >> is this going to be a key line of attack with regard to going on possible president obama and attacking from the right? >> oh it already is. oo the problem is there are now conflicting reports about whether or not those really produced the successful raid and provided the critical information that led to it. now, you have conflicting reports coming out from experts

on these techniques, some saying that khalid sheikh mohammed was water-board many times and it was not until he was interrogated that he came up with critical information, tland are others who say, no, that's not the case. it was the result of enhanced interrogation techniques. so i think what you're hearing the administration say is it's the combination of many different kinds of intelligence. that's why this debate is going to continue and that's why it allows, you know, not only critics of enhanced interrogation and critics to push their point. >> achlt b. stoddard always pushing her thoughts. happy mother's day. >> thank you. for more, head to our website, msnbc.com. some breaking news from the port authority in new york. a commuter train has crashed into a platform in hoboken, new jersey. there are at least 45 injuries at this time, though none

serious. most are head and neck and back in nature. the train service in and out of hoboken has been suspended on the path train. >> and now to florida where after almost three years the murder case of casey anthony is set to begin tomorrow. 25-year-old casey is accused of murdering her 2-year-old daughter caylee. let's get the latest. kerry, you've been there. it's been a long wait. >> reporter: it's leading up to what will be a murder trial that the nation has not seen this size perhaps since the o.j. simpson triechlt more than 500 journalists around the world have requested credentials to go boo the courtroom to cover this case. there's been so much pretile attention, the judge won't even reveal what city he plans to use to select the jurors. even before she was accused of

murdering her own child, casey anthony's story was captivated. a then 22-year-old mother who's adorable 2-year-old daughter caylee mysteriously disappeared. but when details of the case began to come out, investigators say something didn't add up. abnormalities like casey's timeline. she wait third degree 1 days to tell anyone her daughter was missing and when she finally told her storying it was only under pressure from her mother cindy. cindy had gone to the lot where the car she was driving had been towed. then she dialed 911. >> there's something wrong. i found my daughter's car today. and it smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car hr her skeletal remains were found in the orlando underbrush, only a five-minute walk way from casey's home. >> i certainly have never seen

anything like this. >> from the beginning her legal team has said she's not guilty. >> she's not running from this. she's never attempted to run away from the situation. >> reporter: but the evidence they will present is compelling. photos of casey out partying in orlando when her daughter was missing. a single strand of caylee's hair found in the trunk that scientists say came from her dead body. and a heart shaped sticker that they say was placed over caylee's face. because jurors will come from another florida city and will be questioned in orlando for the entire eight-week long trial, seating a 12-member panel with sitting alternates will be a challenge. >> there will be many reasons

why they can't sev, because of a hardship, being out of town, because of the duration of the case. one more challenge for the jurors listening to all of the scientific evidence will be coming to the conclusion that there was even a murder. the medical examiner ruled that this is a homicide. but she technically defined it as homicide by undetermined mean. which means the jurors are have to gig out why if there was a murder why they were never told how the murder was committed. >> thanks so much. still ahead, it's taken the tech world by storm, but is the electronic tablet making people forget the pc. and on this mother's day, a new survey, which celebrity mom most would want to hit the town with, the poll found gwen stefani at the top of the list, christina aguilera, madonna, kendra wilkinson and kris jenner. okay, moms. that's good. [ wind howling ]

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summer drivers may get relief at the pump. analysts predict that prices could fall by as mump as 50 cents by early next month. the average is $3.98. apple's steve jobs says we're living in a post-p.c. world. that is how the tablets are changing personal computing. they will eclipse those of laptops in just over a year. joining us now, editor and chief of "this is my next.com. do you think everyone is ditching their lantops and pcs? is that a good idea? >> it may be a good idea for

some people. i don't know if it's actually happening. apple is selling more tablets than they can make. they're the only company really selling those tablets. you have others in that space who haven't seen these kinds of sales. competitors are just starting to ramp up. so i mean to think of them replacing laptops, for some people that's totally viable for moms and grand moms. on mother's day, perfect opportunity. i think they can give up the laptop and do videos and browse the web, but there's going to be some people. >> clij kids. there's some criticism of the tablets. for some it's not enough there. the size as well. >> yeah. it's tough. you can -- the tablets, you're managing one application at a time. if you want to have a tab window open and do something over here you can't. the keyboard is a good point.

we're seeing some interesting models right now. asues has a keyboard that snaps onto it. i think we're going see more of that dual use coming out so people can kind of abandon the laptop and move toward the tablet. >> so you think it's valid for apple when you have steve jobs coming out and saying we're in a post p.c. world. but maybe that's relevant to apple. but else where? >> they beat the industry in terms of sales every quarter. they're doing really well. but they're also owning this brand-new space and they're working on the idea that we're entering a post p.c. world. what they're wanting to say is we don't have to compete with anybody else. people have to come to us, and i think they do. for them it's a great piece of marketing. >> what about the touchscreen

technology. is that going to go everywhere? >> i think touchscreens are increasingly going to become increasingly common. the place where you're not going to see them and where i don't think they work is when you're at a laptop or desktop computer. the idea of having a screen here and reaching out, it's not that comfortable. i think most people find if they have a touchscreen, they're not going to -- erg anothericly it's not comfortable. >> it's great talking with you. >> i think there are those who are not computer experts who want something to communicate with. >> it all works. thank ts for coming in. in brussels belgium, a new bar was opened for dog, i kid you not. turkeys with apple pie and apples with rice.

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it's been less than a week u.s. the special forces raid op osama bin laden, but a video game already out features the mission. kuma games released it over the internet. players have five minutes to kill osama bin laden. players have the option to defend the terrorist leader. let's go to the void left for al qaeda after the death of bin laden. the terror group says it will continue to launch strikes against america. it released a long 11-paragraph statement on friday. the statement had one major omission. it did not name a new leader. the national security reporter for the washington post, jobe. good sunday morning to you. >> that looks like a great game.

>> you can even defend him if you want to. there you have it. who is in charge of al qaeda right now, jobe? >> the death of bin laden sets up an interesting leadership struggle because we have the number one -- or number two, rather, a presumed successor, but it's not at all clear that he is going to take the job. he doesn't have the makingtism certainly of bin laden, and he is not very popular. he is a bit of a jerk people say. it's hard to tell right now if he is going to get the job. it might go to someone else. >> do you think he will be offered the job? >> well, there are some folks within the jihadist community that say we don't need a number one. we sort of rule by consensus. we have the accounts to make decisions collectively, but the truth is they need a figure head. they've lost the big one. none of the others that have suggested as possible suggestions, zawahiri and rahman and people say who? people don't know these people. al qaeda members swore loyalty

to bin laden and not to these others. there's potential for some fragmentation and some division in the next few months. >> i'm fascinated by the logistics. you talk about the sheera council. when you think about a council, you think of a boardroom somewhere. you sit around a table and talk. when you look at the way bin laden was isolated, as we look at this video of him sitting in this near furnitureless room looking at videos of himself from news reports, and we know he was not able to communicate freely at all, and now the fact that u.s. intelligence will be following every move of these people and everything that we got from this treasure-trove of information, how does that disrupt their ability to communicate and figure out what they try to do next on the whole? >> yeah. there's no question. those guys are laying low right now. no matter what the cia has and doesn't have, you can just bet that zawahiri and the others will be worried about who will be crashing through their door

at any minute. it disrupts their ability to do anything quickly, even though they would like to be able to strike out and show they're still relevant, but there's no question they're going to be laying low and that the cia and others are going to be on their trail very hotly in the next few weeks. >> how much do you think al qaeda, joby has been fractured into these separate groups and does that weaken them on the whole, or make us more vulnerable to attack? >> it's been an interesting thing to figure out even over the last couple of years there's been evidence of fracturing. the last couple of times that zawahiri got and did one of his video things, he didn't mention bin laden at all, which was curious to a lot of us, wondering why he wouldn't bring up the leader at any point. there was already some indication the two were in different camps, and there are lots of number threes that have been killed over the last couple of years. there's really a question about how strong this core leadership still is and how much it exists.

>> sdp that prove we're already mining this information that we got from the compound and acting on it? >> yeah, i think some of those attacks may have been already been in the works, but there's a lot of pressure being brought to bare not just against al qaeda and pakistan, but in yemen and other places around the world. the next few weeks will be important as to trying to stop whatever momentum might still be out there on al qaeda's side and really trying to bring some of these guys to justice. >> okay. joby warrick, thank you for joining us, as always. >> thank you. happy mother's day. >> thank you. that's a wrap of our live msnbc sunday. because i have a microphone, i'm gig to take a chance to wish my mother and my aunt jo ray a happy mother's day. you are much loved. thanks so much. stay with us. we have headline updates, breaking news as it happens. up next we have the documystery red hot cold case. have yourself a great day and happy mom's day to all you out there. make it a great one. [ male announcer ] look outside. it's grow time.

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