tv MSNBC Documentary MSNBC June 5, 2011 11:00pm-12:00am EDT
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>> ake and hatch did some horrible things. they threw some huge curveballs our way, but it's always up to me, every day that i wake up, it's up to me whether i really want to live a full life or not. and that's all for now. for all of us here at nbc news, thank you for joining us. i'm chris hansen with "dateline." >> you show up with beers, with condoms. >> you're naked. there's a 14-year-old girl, chasing the cat around, you've got cool whip. >> he's in the kitchen coming towards the living room. >> the issue here is adult and child. >> the one that bothered me the mosts with the one that showed up with duct tape. >> you are every parent's worst nightmare. >> suspected predators caught on tape and one is caught going way too far. tonight, on "to catch a predator."
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they're online and on the prowl, grown men targeting children on the internet. good evening, and welcome to "dateline." i'm stone phillips. >> i'm ann curry. this month, millions have been watching our investigations, among them suspected predators themselves. even knowing they may be walking into a sting is not enough to keep some away. >> tonight we're back in florida where we started our investigation last week. now there are new suspects and new dangers. again, we want to remind you that some of what you'll see is explicit. here's chris hansen. >> you seem like law enforcement. i happen to know law enforcement. >> do you? so you're an expert in this area. >> no, no, i'm just saying you come off as law enforcement. >> really? you know how you come off?
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>> how's that. >> somebody who's very nervous, somebody who came over here to have sex with a 14-year-old girl. >> 14-year-old. >> like all of our previous investigations, the potential predators are keeping us busy. >> is this some kind of setup or something. >> while some are surprisingly candid. >> they arrested me because had i nude pictures of her on my computer. they ended up dropping the charges. >> others tell us stories we've heard before. >> just more to say hi, that was it. >> one man does something so brazen, you have to see it to believe it. >> you want to explain yourself? . >> but they all have something in common. every one of them chatted online about having sex with a person posing as a young teen made a date to meet, and then showed up at our undercover house. >> a number of these individuals traveled quite a ways. >> hilton daniels is the chief of police in ft. myers. >> i believe the furthest one
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drove 223 miles to ft. myers to have sex with a child. >> chief daniels says it's frightening to think what would have happened if there really had been a child home alone. >> and anything could have happened in that house, the person would have cleaned up and drove away and as law enforcement agencies, we would never have known who that person was. >> made turn. >> but fortunately, there are no real children in the house. instead, there are decoys, members of an online watchdog group called perverted-justice. "dateline" hired them as consultants to do what they normally do, set up profiles of 12 to 15-year-olds and in this case, go into florida chat rooms and wait to be contacted by a grownup. once an adult starts messaging, a decoy will often pretend to be home alone and willing to have sex.
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>> he has a case of perhaps budlight or something. over the course of three days, men come knocking on our door. and our 13 hidden cameras record their every move, from the minute they turn on to our street until they walk into our living room, cameras are rolling, but the potential predators have no idea. >> there he goes, he heard you, he's coming fast. >> this man shows up to a house he's never been top before to keep a date with a girl he's never met. he walks into the backyard and knocks on the wrong door. no one answers so he makes a call, no one answers the phone either. finally, he here's our decoy and heads inside. >> hey, i just had to change my shirt real quick, but just come in and watch tv, i'll be right there. >> where you at. >> i've got to change my shirt real quick. >> can i come in. >> although perverted-justice members are the decoys who conduct the chats online, we hired this actress to pretend to be the girl alone. she looks the part of a minor but really is 19. >> sit down and eat some cookies. i have to change real quick. >> reporter: the man is 23-year-old raul. screen name antonio 69. he met a girl posing as a 14-year-old online and asks her if she's had anal sex. and then he types would you ever do it. he also asks her, how many
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rounds can you last? >> i don't know. >> would you be able to have sex until you get tired or could it be an all night thing. >> i guess we'll see. >> i just want to make sure you can handle me. >> to keep his date, he actually got on a bus and rode across the state of florida. instead of finding a minor alone, he meets me. >> why don't you have a seat right over there, please. online, he told the girl he would bring alcohol and spend the night. and look, he's brought beer and overnight bag. >> how was your bus ride? >> good. >> how long were you on the bus? >> hours. >> how many hours about. >> about four. >> and what else did antonio 69929 bring with him? did you bring condoms with you. >> it's in my bag. i always bring them with me. >> you show up with beer, you show up with condoms after a sexually charged online conversation at a home where you believe a 14-year-old girl is alone for the weekend. you say, are you sure you can
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handle me? you ask her if she's cool about having sex with you. >> i'm guilty of whatever is there, sir. >> i'm sorry. >> i'm guilty of whatever is there. >> and what could he be guilty of in the state of florida? using the internet to attempt to solicit a minor for sex. a felony. >> not appropriate. >> why did you do it. >> just -- just me being dumb. >> what do you think should happen to you. >> i should get the death penalty. >> well, he won't be getting the death penalty but he'll find out shortly he does have a date before a judge. >> i'm printing out right now everything. >> perverted-justice has been sending the sexually explicit chat logs between decoys and potential predators to the ft. myers police department and state prosecutors. they're staked out in the guest house behind our house in the case of antonio 69 929, there's enough evidence for an arrest. >> i'm chris hansen within "dateline nbc" and we're doing a story on adults who try to meet
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children on the internet. >> so after i tell him he's going to be on "dateline," you're free to leave. >> get on the ground. get down! -- he gets arrested. and taken away in an unmarked police car. then he's brought to this transfer station where he's searched. >> do you have any i.d. on. >> you in my wallet, sir. >> and he's taken to jail. >> watch your head. >> the next morning he appears before a judge and bail is set. >> there is probable cause to all charges. there will be a $40,000 bond come pos night his story is only one in a long line of potential predators who come knocking on our door. >> 7:30 is here. here he's coming in. >> and as you'll see, some come prepared to do things that police find quite disturbing. >> the one that bothered me the most was the guy that showed up with rope and duct tape in his vehicle. >> you'll meet that man. what was he really planning.
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where supposedly a young teen is home by herself and ready to have sex. >> here he comes. here he comes. >> copy that. >> wave him up. get him in. >> this is brian gosselin, screen name bayjones. >> hey, come on in. the door's open. >> he's here to meet a girl who said online she was 15. he lied to her about his age claiming to be 24. he's really 32. and based on what he had to say online "want to [ bleep ] my brains out" it's not hard to guess why he's here. >> i got some wine coolers. >> wine coolers are just fine. >> you weren't kidding when you said a big house. >> i know, the house is beautiful, i love my house. >> yeah. are you the only child? >> yeah. oh, did you bring protection? >> yeah. >> perfect. >> the only bad news about that is you're probably not going to need that type of protection tonight. >> see, i knew this was going to be a setup. >> you did? >> yeah. >> how did you know that? >> just because of the way she
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was talking online. >> brian, what's your last name? >> i don't have a last name. >> reporter: you don't have a last name? and that's about all he's willing to say. >> well, i'll just leave. >> reporter: no, no, no i'm not finished asking you questions yet. sir? >> i'm not wanted here. but most men who show up at our house are willing to talk. >> he is on the steps, opening the door. like this man, 30-year-old kenneth fortin. >> watch, he's coming fast. he's in the kitchen, call out. >> hey, i'm in here. >> he's been chatting online with a decoy posing as a 15 year old. he describes detailed plans for their sexual rendezvous. he says he likes to start with oral sex. after that, he asks her what position she'd like to try first. and he also asks if he can do more. >> can i tie you up? >> you got like ropes and stuff? >> yeah, i work construction so i have all kinds of stuff but if you like rope, i will bring
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rope. >> so did he actually bring rope? >> hey, i'm about to put on my bra and panties, come on in. >> keep going. he's coming fast. >> rob, go ahead, chris has him. >> how you doing. why don't you have a seat over in that chair, please. he says he's here to meet a girl, but he can't remember her name. and he's a little vague about her age. >> rather young. >> reporter: rather young. as in? >> 15 or 16. >> reporter: 15. and how old are you? >> 30. >> reporter: and it's okay for a 30-year-old man to come to a home where a 15-year-old girl is alone, why? >> no, it's not okay. >> reporter: during their online chat, they talked about condoms. he also said he'd bring marijuana. >> did you bring condoms with you? >> no. >> not in your car? >> no. >> did you bring marijuana? >> no. >> reporter: are you sure? >> uh-huh. >> reporter: but is he telling truth? we'll find out later when police search his car. but now, he does admit to bringing one thing. did you bring rope with you tonight? >> i have rope in my car, for my job. >> reporter: you talk about using the rope in various sex acts with this 15-year-old girl. what would have happened if a
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15-year-old girl was here and i wasn't? >> same thing that's happening now. just talking. >> reporter: do you see why that's very difficult for me to believe, based on this chat? >> yes, i do. that's the god's honest truth, though. >> reporter: well, why should i believe that? >> because i have a 6-year-old daughter that i'm trying to see. >> reporter: you have a 6-year-old daughter. how would you feel if a stranger came into your home? >> i'd hate it. i'd hate it. >> reporter: so why then is it okay for you to come into this home where you thought a girl was alone? >> bad judgment. >> reporter: there seems to be a lot of bad judgment in the air. >> he's making the tn. he's nervous. just call out, call out. >> hey, come on in. >> awesome. back away. he's opening the door. he's in the laundry room. >> here comes 22-year-old elias bailon, screenname "daytona02"
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a small business owner. he's been chatting online with a girl posing as a 14-year-old named lani. she asks him if he'll bring her vodka and let her drive his car. he says "whatever you want sweetie. >> and when lani tells him her bedroom is hot, he types you hot mommy, let's make love. he drove 2 1/2 hours to get here. it's just before 1:00 in the morning. >> just sit down and watch tv for a little bit. i'll be right out. >> where are you? >> oh, i'm just changing my shirt real quick, 'cause i got chocolate on it. just take a seat. i'll be right there. >> okay. >> i made you some cookies. did you bring me my drinks? >> can you come out? >> yeah. i'll be right there. i just gotta change. >> reporter: why don't you do me a favor and come on in. will you bring your stuff in? it looks as if daytona02 has come bearing gifts. what have we got here? >> a rose. >> a rose. what about condoms? did you bring condoms? >> yes, sir. >> reporter: you did? why don't you put those on the table? >> oh no, i thought i'd carry them with -- thank you. >> reporter: so you brought a
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rose, alcohol, and some condoms. what does that add up to? >> i don't know, sir. >> then he reveals something we didn't know. >> i knew if something would happen like this, i would get in trouble, 'cause i'm married. >> you're married? >> yes, sir. >> that's not what you said in the chat. >> no, i didn't say that, i didn't that, no. >> reporter: yeah. >> no. but, i'm married. i really love her. the thing is that the thing is we don't get along sometimes. >> reporter: now, what do you think she would say if she knew that you were coming here to have sex with a 14-year-old girl? >> she would kill me. whew, i don't want to think about it. she would kill me. you know, her dad has ten brothers. >> reporter: ten brothers? >> they will kill me. >> reporter: they'll all be looking for you? >> whew. "daytona02" says he knew he was taking a big risk and worried this might be a set-up. >> reporter: you say, this might be a trap. i've seen that on tv. >> yeah. >> reporter: what did you see on tv exactly? >> that one in the news actually. because the people get arrested because of chatting like with
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underage girls. >> reporter: right, so you saw it on "dateline nbc"? >> yeah, yeah. just happened to them. oh, my god, didn't think it was going to happen. >> reporter: he still doesn't appear to know he's landed in the middle of a "dateline" investigation. but he'll find out a little later. >> he's in the driveway. coming in, everybody. >> it's lee greer 74, our 1:00. >> now, here comes another married man. he's 31-year-old lee greer, screen name legalgreer74. he's away from home on business and he's been chatting online with a 13-year-old at least that's what the decoy told him. he sends her a picture of his penis and then types "you will get to see the real thing, you know, in person. >> he's in the backdoor, opening the door. supposed to be bringing lunch and booze. >> often, perverted-justice decoys will ask a man to bring something specific like food or alcohol. >> ask if he brought the lunch and booze. >> did you bring the food? >> yeah. >> okay, great.
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>> reporter: law enforcement says it helps show intent because a potential predator is bringing items that he talked about online in the same conversation he's talking about sex. >> what did you bring? >> double cheeseburgers with no pickles. >> awesome, i made chocolate chip cookies, too, but i actually just got some on my shirt so i am just going to change my shirt real quick. >> all right. i got some fries, but the fries might be cold because it took me a while to find this place. >> you can just take a seat, i'll be right there. >> okay. >> so no cookies for you? so what's going on? >> not much, who are you? >> who are you? >> i'm lee. >> and lee, what are you doing here? >> i come to visit a friend off
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the net i thought. >> reporter: at first he tells me the friend he came to see was 18 or older. but then changes his story. >> reporter: so why don't you start over again and tell me how old did she say she was in the conversation? >> 13. >> reporter: how old are you? >> too old. 31. >> reporter: 31? >> yes sir. >> reporter: and you thought it was okay for a 31-year-old man to come to a home -- >> no, sir. >> reporter: -- where a 13-year-old girl was alone because, why exactly? >> i didn't. >> then why did you do it? >> stupidity. honestly. i was -- god. pure stupidity. >> reporter: you sent her that picture? >> yes, right. and i told her they were dirty pictures and she wanted to see them, so i showed them. >> reporter: so because a 13-year-old girl says it's okay, it's okay for you to do it? >> no it's not sir. no sir. >> are you married? >> yes sir. >> reporter: how's this going to go over at home? >> not good. i'd really, really, really like for it not to go home.
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really, sir. >> reporter: what do you think should happen to you, lee? >> honestly? i'd like to be able to just go back to work and-- >> reporter: just go back to work, just get up and grab a cookie and walk on out of here. >> i'm not saying what i did was right, 'cause i know it's wrong. i'm admitting to you that it is wrong. >> reporter: so we're all square, even steven, and you should just get up and walk out of here. >> no. no. no sir. i don't know what to tell you. honestly. what was your plan with this 14-year-old? when "to catch a predator" continues.
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>> during our undercover investigation here in ft. myers, florida, there's been a steady stream of potential predators arriving to keep their dates with someone who told them they were a young teen. there we go, now we're back. >> ten men the first day and 11 men on the second day. and there's still one more day to go. >> approaching the backdoor. he's coming through. >> some come looking not for girls, but for boys. meet 23-year-old ryan mcintosh, screenname "qx4boi19." he owns a high-end dog boutique. he's here to meet a boy who told him online he was 14. the decoy says, "you won't tell anyone i'm gay, will you?" and he replies, if you don't tell anybody you blanked my blank. >> dell from perverted justice playing the male decoy invites him in and scoots behind the door before he sees her. >> we'll watch tv or something.
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i'll be be right back out, alright? >> alright. >> reporter: why don't you make yourself at home here, have a seat. what's going on? >> not much. how are you? >> reporter: like many other men caught in our investigations, "qx4boi19" insists he didn't come here for sex with a young teen. >> i was just coming over here to hang out. and, i felt like i would be more a big brother more than anything. i do know -- >> reporter: a big brother? >> yeah. >> reporter: so you were coming over to be a mentor? >> in a way, yes. and, i'm sure you've heard that 20 billion times. >> reporter: 20 billion and one counting tonight. >> i had no intention of having sex with him tonight. >> reporter: what were you going to do? >> just hang out. >> reporter: but his chat log doesn't make it sound like he was just here to hang out. you talk about penis size, whether he's got pubic hair. >> uh-huh. >> reporter: you say you're horny. you say you're masturbating
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while you're talking to him. you talk about hooking up, and you say if you don't tell anybody, you [ bleep ] my [ muted ]. >> i said that? >> reporter: yeah, then you say i don't want to go to jail. do you recall that conversation? >> i'm sure i did say that. >> reporter: i mean, the issue here is not gay or straight. >> right. >> reporter: the issue here is adult-child. the mentoring conversation that you're saying to me that you were going to have tonight with a 14-year-old, that's not what you were saying online. >> well, i didn't necessarily say i wanted to have a conversation tonight. i was just going to come out and hang out and see what he was like. >> reporter: "qx4boi19" sits and talks to me for more than ten minutes. then amazingly when i start to tell him who i am -- >> well, i got to tell you -- he already knows. i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc." >> i know. >> reporter: you know? >> uh-huh. >> have you seen previous stories? and as you'll hear later, the possibility of walking into an investigation wasn't enough to stop him. here comes another man who's seen our previous broadcasts. >> he's in the laundry room, he's in the kitchen coming
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towards the living room. >> his name is dallas lee. he's been chatting online in an aol chat room with a boy posing as a 14-year-old. it takes him less than seven minutes to ask the boy if he wants oral sex. the decoy says okay, cool. and a few hours later, he's walking into our living room. >> i'm finishing. hang out, okay? >> yes, sir. >> so you're pumped too, huh? >> yeah. >> reporter: so what were you so pumped for? >> oh, not too much. >> why don't you have a seat right on the stool there. what you doing here? >> he invited me over. >> reporter: who is he? >> tony. >> tony. and how old is tony? >> 14. >> reporter: what was your plan here with this 14-year-old boy? >> i mean we talked about sex and stuff like that. >> reporter: you sure did. >> yeah, i mean i'm not going to lie to you. i got two kids of my own. we can hang out. >> and how old are your kids? >> my son is 19 and my daughter's 15. >> so your daughter is one year older than the boy you were coming to visit tonight. >> uh-huh, uh-huh. >> reporter: how would you feel if your daughter at the age of 15 was home alone and a man came to visit her? >> honestly, terrible. >> reporter: yeah.
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and so why is it okay for you? >> it's not. >> reporter: to come here? >> honestly, it's not. you know, but i was even -- not even -- set the sex aside. >> reporter: he says he knows it looks bad, but he really wanted to be a father figure to the boy who told him he didn't have a dad, but if that's so, why did he tell the boy he was 20 years old when he was really 40. >> reporter: if you're trying to be a father figure to this kid as have you suggested to me you were trying to do, why would you tell him you were 20 much closer to his age. it wouldn't seem somebody would do that unless they wanted to target and be comfortable to have sex. >> i understand what you're coming from. >> reporter: he also understands something else. as you sit here today, based on this chat, based upon your -- >> i screwed up -- arrival here, you are every parent's worst nightmare. >> exactly. i understand what you're saying. you're right. i guarantee you it's never going to happen again.
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>> he's coming in, walking. >> reporter: there's still another man who comes to the house claiming he's really here to help. >> bottom step. in the laundry room. >> where are you? >> i'm right here. i've got to get changed. i'll be right there. >> reporter: he's 61-year-old thomas campbell. j 1 h 3120. he's been chatting online with a decoy posing as a 14-year-old. he graphically describes how he likes to give oral sex to young men. the decoy asks is that your favorite to do and he says yep. and from what most say, it's the best they've had. >> where you at? >> i'm right here. i've just got to get changed. sorry man, i didn't mean to confuse you.
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>> hi. >> moving pretty quick. why don't you have a seat right over there. >> okay. >> -- at the stool. >> okay. >> where were you headed there? >> huh. >> reporter: where are you headed? >> just to talk. >> with who. >> with tony. >> reporter: online, he lists his age as being in his 40s. at first he tells me he's only 49. later we learn the truth. >> i'm 61. >> reporter: you're 61. so you're not in your 40s. >> no. >> the man starts to have a bit of an asthma attack. >> just relax. he uses his inhaler and says he's fine. then he tells me he had a tough time growing up gay and wanted to help the young boy he expected to be here. >> to help him see that it's not really the shameful situation that it was when i was younger. >> reporter: so you were here to mentor this boy. >> if i could, yeah. you know, i don't mind helping. >> reporter: and did that
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mentoring process include having sex with him? >> oh, no. >> reporter: that's not how the conversation went on the internet, is it? >> i don't think so. i don't know. >> reporter: you say i love to [ muted ] a young man [ bleep ] [ muted ] [ bleep ]. >> okay. >> do you recall that? >> i believe so. this was -- >> i have the whole transcript here. >> a few days ago. >> reporter: yeah. yep, and from what most say, it's the best they've had. the real compliment is when they keep coming back for more. you would absolutely love it. i'm in my 40s but guarantee i'm that i'm not some old guy wanting to perv a young boy. well, the reality is that are you older. >> reporter: what's going on here seems pretty pervy, doesn't it? >> it does. >> reporter: a total of 24 men show up at the house, are arrested and thrown in jail, but first, they'll find out they're going to be on national television. >> coming up, excuse after excuse. >> never have i met anyone under age. i will swear on my mother's grave. >> reporter: and arrest after arrest. >> this was a mistake. >> then later, our undercover cameras capture an image that's overexposed. >> you want to explain yourself?
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here's what is happening. at least six people, most believed to be militants, were killed in a drone attack. tribal sources say that the drones fired four missiles. from north dakota, floodwaters along the missouri are rising. tens and thousands of people have been forced to evacuate their homes. meanwhile, 25 cities saw record heat in the '90s and even triple digits on sunday. one man collapsed during a half marathon. in arizona, gusty winds are fueling a massive wildfire which has burned over 140,000 acres. in germany, officials have confirmed that bean sprouts are likely the cause of a deadly e. coli outbreak. at least 22 people have died. dominique strauss-kahn is expected to enter a not guilty plea. the former head of the military
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monetary fund is facing charges of a sexual incident with a hotel maid. now back to "to catch a predator." tonight, we return to ft. myers, florida. over the course of two days, two dozen men arrive and most men had an excuse and some explaining to do. here again, chris hansen. the men walking through our door range in age from 20 to 61 and come from very different boundaries. but most of them say almost the same thing when i confront them. so this is the first time you've ever done something like this.
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>> well, yeah, this is my first time. >> this is my first one. >> she's the first person i ever considered meeting. >> i've never done this. >> you know i hear that from virtually every person who has walked into this house. >> never have i met anyone underage. i will swear on my mother's grave, never. >> reporter: and there's something else i hear over and over. did you bring condoms today? >> i always carry them on me. >> reporter: did you bring condoms with you? >> i always take condoms with
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me. >> i have them, yeah, i always carry them. >> i carry them everywhere with me. >> there's some in the car. >> reporter: just happened to be some in the glove box. >> no, i always have condoms everywhere i go. a person would have to be an idiot not to because of diseases. >> reporter: while most are willing to talk when they don't know they're being recorded on hidden camera, i'm chris hansen weapon "dateline nbc" and we're doing a story about adults meeting teens on the internet. just like this man a mental health counselor for teenagers, when the cameras come out, the potential predators often scurry. you're free to walk right out of the door that you came in.
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>> i would like to walk out. >> i just don't want my face to be seen. >> reporter: he's not the only one. remember the married man who said his wife would kill him? if she knew what he was up to? i'm chris hansen within date line nbc." >> [ bleep ]. >> if there's anything else you'd like to tell us, we'd like to hear it. >> i just made a mistake and i won't do it again for sure. >> reporter: and then there were the men who had already seen some of our "dateline" computer predator investigations. >> i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc." >> i know. >> you know? have you seen the previous stories? you have. what was your impression of the earlier stories? >> nothing. >> they were very good coverage. >> good coverage. >> they were good coverage. i seen it about a month ago. >> reporter: that didn't make that. >> reporter: you've seen the computer predator stories. >> yeah. >> reporter: well this is one of them. >> lovely. >> reporter: more bad news when he gets outside. an officer wearing a type of camouflage to hide in the bushes
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jumps out and arrests him. >> police officer, on the ground! on the ground! >> reporter: as soon as the men leave our house, police work quickly and sometimes aggressively taking the suspects down to the ground. that's because in florida, it's relatively easy to get a permit to carry a concealed weapon. so these officers aren't taking any chances. >> reporter: anybody get hurt in the takedowns? >> no, 24 people and no one was injured. all the officers are safe. >> let me see your hands. >> oh, lord. >> reporter: as a man is being arrested, an unmarked police vehicle moves into position. the suspect is put into a car and taken to a transfer station. this is the married man, lee greer, who hoped his wife would never know that he showed up for a date with a girl who told him she was 13. >> reporter: how is this going to go over at home? >> i'd really, really like for
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it not to go home. >> oh, my god. >> i'm from arkansas. >> arkansas? you on vacation or something? >> no, i'm down here working. >> reporter: his picture is taken and when the police search his rental car, they start collecting evidence. >> condoms, booze and lunch. >> he's coming around back. >> reporter: and remember that man kenneth fortin who online asked a girl claiming to be 15 if he could tie her up? look what the police find in his car. >> rope. his rope. >> there is duct tape and an extension cord. >> reporter: he did admit to me that he had rope in his car but denied bringing anything else. >> did you bring condoms with you? >> no, no. >> not in your car? >> no.
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>> reporter: did you bring marijuana? >> no. >> reporter: are you sure? >> uh-huh. >> reporter: turns out he wasn't telling me the truth. >> didn't think you had any narcotics on you, sir. >> reporter: the police find the marijuana and a box of condoms. >> get on the ground. get on the ground. >> reporter: all of the 24 men who are arrested outside our house were charged with felonies, attempted lewd and lascivious behavior with a minor and attempting to solicit a child over the internet. they all went before a judge and bail was set. >> there's probable cause on all the charges, there's a $50,000 bond. >> reporter: many say they are innocent but will have to wait to be arraigned before they can plead not guilty, including the next man you're about to meet. online, he's very clear what he wants to do with the underage girl and what he does when he shows up will be hard for you to believe. >> reporter: you want to explain yourself? grab that towel right there, please. wrap it around yourself. and please sit in that stool. >> it was also hard for officers to believe. that strange encounter is coming up next. >> you're naked, there's a 14-year-old girl. you're chasing a cat around. you've got cool whip. "to catch a predator" continues in a moment. we're thinking about them. a couple decades ago, we didn't even realize just how much natural gas was trapped in rocks thousands of feet below us. technology has made it possible to safely unlock this cleanly burning natural gas. this deposits can provide us with fuel for a hundred years,
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>> what are you driving? so i know to look for you. a white pickup truck? okay. i'll see you soon then, okay? a perverted-justice decoy is playing the part of a 14-year-old named cindy. she's talking to this man, marvin lack hands, screen name "crazitrini85". they met in a chat room. she tells him a virgin. "crazitrini85" asks her if he'll try anal sex and adds, it's better than regular sex.
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then he asks her if she has a jacuzzi. >> i'm going to [ bleep ] you. and on your mom's bed. >> why not my bed. >> that, too. every room so no matter where you go, you'll remember me. >> he asks her if she has any pets. she says she has a male cat and you won't believe what he asks next. >> you know what would be a huge turn-on for me? >> what. >> he wants to watch her perform a sex act on a cat. he says people do it all the time. they discuss it further on the phone where he tells her they'll need cool whip. the decoy says she will try it if he's willing to walk into her house naked. >> that's him right there pulling into the driveway. >> as we told you before, according to law enforcement, asking a suspect to bring or do something specific demonstrates intent. >> the backdoor. >> the decoy keeps talking to him as he walks up the driveway. >> i'm going to find my cat. just strip in there and i'll be out with the cat, all right? >> he's coming around. >> okay. whatever you want. absolutely naked, because that was the deal, right? >> this is a man who apparently sticks to a deal. he walks in the back door, takes off all his clothes in the laundry room and goes in search of the decoy. >> where are you? >> wait, just take a seat. have a cookie. i made them because they'll go
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with the cool whip. it was kind of a little surprise. >> reporter: you want to explain yourself? grab that towel right there, please. wrap it around yourself. please sit in that stool. what are you doing? >> this man apparently sticks to a deal. walks in the back door, takes off all of his clothes in the laundry room and goes in search of the decoy. >> where are you? >> just take a seat. have a cookie. i made that. it's kind of a little surprise. >> you want to explain yourself? grab that towel right there. wrap it around yourself. please sit in that stool. what are you doing? >> making a mistake. >> mawhat is going on?
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>> i don't know. >> reporter: you don't know? now, what do you think would have happened, marvin, had i not been here and had there actually been a 14-year-old girl in that next room? what would have happened after you walked in there naked? >> something probably would have happened. >> reporter: something like what? >> something along sexual lines. >> reporter: like you would have had sex with a 14-year-old girl. >> i'm not sure if i would have done that but -- >> like you would have had sex with a 14-year-old girl? >> i'm not sure if i would have done that, but -- >> marvin, you're naked. >> i wouldn't have gone all the way. >> you went all the way when you took your clothes off just about. then i ask him about the plans he talked about online for the cat. you know what would be a huge [ bleep ] turn on for me? what? watching you [ bleep ] him, meaning the cat. she says, i don't think i want to blank the cat. would you for me? you're going to make this 14-year-old girl perform a sex act on a cat? was that your plan? >> it wasn't. >> well, why did you say it, then?
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>> i was just messing around with it. >> you were just messing around? >> i really wasn't serious about the cat. >> you gave her instructions about using the cool whip. very specific instructions. i mean, i can only imagine what would have been going on in this house had i not been here. am i wrong to think that? >> no, you're not. >> so what's going to be happening if i'm not here? you're naked. there's a 14-year-old girl. you're chasing a cat around. you've got cool whip, and you want this girl to do some sex act with a cat and then you'll have sex with her. is that accurate? yes? then he asks for some water. >> some water? >> yes, please. >> i see that running around naked got you pretty dried out, huh?
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have you ever met any young girls online? first time? >> yeah. this is the first time, which will never happen again, i can tell you that right now. >> the nearly naked man starts laughing. >> so it's funny? >> no. i'm just thinking to myself this will never happen again. this is something that's not right. >> so you're promising me right now that you'll never -- >> i'm promising myself -- >> to hook up with a 14-year-old girl online, tell her to have sex with a cat, and walk in naked? >> not even 19. no. i'm promising that to myself. not even to you. just to -- this is not good. >> now he's about to find out that he just made that promise on national television. well >> there's something else you need to know. i'm chris hansen with "dateline nbc", and we're doing a story on adults who try to meet teens online. >> yes, sir. >> now if there's something else
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you'd like to say about this predicament you're now in, we'd love to hear it. >> just trust me, it will never happen again. >> if there's nothing else you have to say, you're free to walk out that door where you stripped naked and walked in. you can keep the towel. >> i'll just leave it in the laundry room. >> that's fine. >> once he gets his clothes back on, he is arrested by that camouflaged police officer. >> police, get down! >> he's taken to the transfer station and searched. >> spread your legs. where do you live at? are you here on business or what? >> no. just being stupid. >> just being stupid. >> yeah. >> he's photographed and then taken to jail. >> this is the person apparently who walked into the room naked. >> the next day, he's brought before a judge and bail is set.
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>> chris hansen joins us now. these investigations this month have drawn a huge response. thousands and thousands of emails. and one question we are consistently hearing is why are all of these suspected predators men? not a single woman. is there a reason for that? >> we just haven't seen any women in our investigations. experts say that there are women predators. they just go after kids they know. they are more comfortable with that. male predators like the anonymity and other accessibility offered by the internet. >> some other viewers said that they think someone in their community may be a predator and don't know what to do. what can you tell them? >> don't try and do a sting operation by yourself. the fbi and the sheriff's office is all very receptive, and they'll do something about it. >> are there other options besides jailtime? >> experts tell us there has to
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be more treatment options out there for when these guys get out of prison because there's a chance they'll re-offend. and without that, we really don't find a solution to this problem. >> so look at both potential solutions there? >> there's no one size fits all solution to this. there has to be punishment and there has to be treatment. >> chris hansen, thanks. >> thanks to you. >> there are many things parents can do from monitoring internet use to installing special software to your commuter. there's a complete online safety kit on our website. that's all for now. i'm stone phillips for ann curry and all of us at nbc news. thanks for watching.
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