the big story, hail to the tweets. part of the administration ace new media outreach campaign. since not known for the brevity, they tweeted summary of the president's answers in response. john boehner jumped in with a tweet of his own after embarking on a record spending binge, where are the jobs? >> what he's right about is we have not seen fast enough job growth relative to the need. we haven't gotten the cooperation i would like to see on some of those ideas, but i'm going to keep on trying.

eventually i'm sure the speaker will see the light. >> and ren gay nerd asking, quote, mr. president, will you issue as executive order pursuant to section 4 of the 14th amendment? >> i don't think we should get to the constitutional issue. congress has a responsibility to make sure we pay our bills. >> ahead of bipartisan debt talks, president obama now says he expects a deal in the next week or two. the white house says he wants a, quote, significant compromise, though exactly what that means remains a little hard to figure out. so we'll go straight to the source. stephanie cutter is a white house deputy senior adviser, and joins us now. thanks for taking the time. >> hey, matt. >> what should we expect substantive when the president is sitting down. >> how do we tackle the deficit in ways both parties can sign

off on. >> the president has repeatedly said we need to take a balanced approach, which means everybody has to give a little, and you're right, there are a lot of politics being played, but both sides need to give in a bit. we believe that part of that is closing some tax loopholes weefz heard a lot from the house of representatives today, even speaker boehner's tweet about job-killing tax hikes. i don't think it's job killing to ensure that people flying private jets pay the same rates as people on commercial jets or ensuring that hedge fund managers are at least paying the same as teachers and firefighte firefighters. we hope, you know, there's a meeting tomorrow here at the white house where both sides of the aisle, both the house and senate, are coming to talk about where to find compromise. >> that all sounds positive, optimistic, sort of what i would

expect. i notice how the white house is framing this, the corporate jets and hedge fund loopholes is the white house's position still going to be that the middle class doesn't have to face any higher taxes? even though we're doubling people on medicare and social security as the boomers retire? >> if we do this in a balanced way, we don't have to increase taxes on the middle class. the president has been firm. in fact he thinks we need to extend the payroll tax so families have additional money going into their pockets. the mid still class has sacrificed enough. the republican budget that was put on the table gave wealthy americans $200,000 in tax breaks, but increased costs on

middle-class seniors. that's not the type of compromise that's possible here. every economist out there, every respond budget framework out there looks at a balanced approach. weapon we hope that republicans will join us in that. >> i used to work at omb for president clinton. i understand the politics, but you have this bipartisan cahoots to bakley say, yes there should be shared sacrifice they're trying to protect the wealthy, and the democrats in the white house are trying to say, well action we can handle the aging population, but we're not going to ask the middle class to be a part of the funding of 9 major entitlements which go to the middle class. that seems like a charade to me. >> i think the middle class are funding the major entitlements. that's part of the problem. we need to get our health care costs under kro.

i disagree -- over the past decade -- you know this, they're the one class of people in this country whose wages have declined. they haven't gotten any pay raises. that's been a problem, particularly as prices continue to rise. never mind get ahead. so we don't think the middle class needs to be a focus. if we take a balanced approach, we think we don't have to do that. it's defense spending, tackling the entitlesments, you're right, and the president has proposals on the table. we've already taken significant steps through the affordable care act. there are dozens of loopholes that can be closed so we don't have to go after the middle class. i think most people agree between that. >> i'm sure the middle class agrees with that. that's why it's political poplar. one of twitterers asked if the president would use the constitutional option if the

republicans dig in. hi sort of sidestepped that. is that something we could see in. >> i don't think it will come to that. i think we'll come to a deal. if we don't, it is a major act of irresponsibility for the first time in this country that congress does not act to ensure that america doesn't default on its debts, that america can continue to pay its obligation, obligations that congress passed. so we don't think it's going to come to that. we don't need to exercise constitutional authority. the law is the law. congress needs to act to raise the debt limit so we can pay our obligations. they've raised the debt limit more than a dozen times over the past decade. they need to live up to the obligations they made in this country. >> stephanie cutter, thank you, an able representative of the white house point of view. >> thank you, matt. >> and protector of the middle

class. we'll be watching this. thank you for the time. >> thank you, matt. republicans insist savings must be part of any deal. the white house has signaled they're open to $400 billion sore so in trims. the truth is if we ever are going to fix the budget, we'll have to have a serious conversation about reining in health costs, which remember are twice as high per person in the u.s. than any other wealth in nation. that's not going to happen at the white house this thursday, but what would it sound like if we were serious instead of just playing politics? joining us is a surgeon, a staff writer for "the new york erbil" and best-selling author. his recent book is now out in paperbook. welcome. >> thanks to having me on, matt. >> thanks for taking the time. what should people understand, if we're going to have a serious conversation, what do folks need to understand? >> what interests me is we've got to think about where the money is, and where the money is

is? guess what? it's in sec people. 5% of the population accounts for 50% of the health care costs. these are people for whom their annual health care costs are over $35,000 a year, problems like heart attack care, cancer care, care for people with mental disorders. when you zero in on that population of people, you actually find solutions. you see areas where medicine, the people who do that job, can significantly improve the quality whik lowering the costs. >> did i pull you out of surgery? i see you've got your lab coat on. >> i was in clinic. >> is there reason for optimism that we can do something, as all these other nations?

in the middle of these debt ceiling talks, there is short-term pain that comes from needing to make cuts, but they just are pushing the money from one place to another. for the people in ha hides-cost group, does we devise solutions that actually lower costs. i wrote about camden, new jersey, they are now finding that you can get better up-front care, reduce the likelihood they'll be in emergency rooms, treat heart disease better, prevent it appropriately. guess what you have to invest in? you have to invest in primary carry, better outpatient resources, and that then takes money and costs out of hospitals

and emergency rooms, which are not great places to get care for your chronic heart problems or your cancer. >> it sounds like kind of common-sense approach. i think you've likened it to where you focused in, using the data on these highest-cost cases. shouldn't this be able to get bipartisan support? >> in some sways it's gotten bipartisan support, because there are provisions within the new health reform law lever driving changes in hospital systems and elsewhere, where people are starting to were in the medicine just now learning how to do it. my expectation is within 3 to 5 years that we will learn how to

do better. a case in point -- front page of the "wall street journal" today, an article came out in jama showing that there's a $20,000 decision for heart disease patients. do you get a stent put into your heart or not? and about 50% of the time it's put in without a clear indication, and about 10% of the time with -- where it's clearly the wrong thing to do, a $20,000 decision, where about half the time it's overused. we can learn to make sure how to weed out and make better decisions with patients about the right thing to do. >> now, is there something inherit in the way that american medicine is practiced that leads you have at this gdp, when other nations are at 10% or 11%, and can the steps you're talking about, can it close that gap? is there something deeper at work?

>> some of it for sure is we're the richest country on earth, and we inevitably will ask more from our medical system. but there is a huge significant gap even within the country, places that again -- that are at the top of the bell curve, getting the highest quality care, but are producing care with the lowest quartile of costs, are proving within the country we can do at the nominal better. another way of putting it, the same patient getting care in different parts of the country, can varies as much as 50% in the costs, and often the places with the best results are the places that have the lowest costs. >> atul gawande, thank you for sharing your shots with us today.

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hall, turning the attention to the meeting on the debt ceiling. let's get to chuck todd, host of "the daily rundown." chuck, i think you've got in meetings recently where you're getting the latest. bring us up to speed. >> you're seeing the eight being brought down it's our understanding that he'll present three pathing, one is we're not going to doll a short-term deal. there was some concern among some on this side of pennsylvania, matt, that that idea was gaining momentum in the senate one would be what the biden talks were about, and tomorrow's meeting, from my understanding is one way for the white house to find out how much

appetite is there that there's significant, at least among closures of loopholes, things like that. >> so this will be fascinating it to see how this unfolds. it's hard to imagine that on the one hand something big will be done, but i suppose they could great to a framework and put this much in the pot, this much from the spending pot. is that the thinking? >> well, what you could see is two parts, the 2.5 trillion plan happening that gets the debt ceiling raised, then you can see an agreement on getting to this $4 try won over 1 or 12 years, via some sort of enforcement mechanism, so would it mean more spending cuts, more tax hikes? that could get tabled. that's where you could see the sort of in between here on how this gets advanced forward. the thinking on this is they

think the bigger the deal, the easier it is to get votes. there's a lot of tough stuff in there. well, then you request say, well, i don't like this part of it, but i'll vote for the greater good. it's a 70/30 proposition. they think they can sell that better, but i think it depends on how many votes boehner is willing to lose in his conference. is it 50? is it 80? i think that's the real question here. >> chuck todd, reading the political tea leaves, advancing the story for us as always, thank you for the time. >> you got it, matt. let's bring in our wednesday megapanel, mark dam stepscott s. bob shrum, and former bush economic speechwriter david fromme, editor of fromme

forum.com. we tried to get you to have a name with fromme and shall rum. it's the best we could do. let me start off. we had this twitter town hall today, so in the spirit of our president, i do want to tweet you or -- the first question i had, which is this. don't real people ask better cues or questions than the political pros? they focus on substance, rehousing, jobs, loans, et cetera. boehner tweets talking point. david, don't real people do a better job? >> real people want answers. politician have a way of trying to frame the debate to get you talking about what they want to talk about. i find -- but you find all these questions sort of amaze iing yo say, so what are your plans for the future? how are you planning to redecorate the bathroom?

we have an impending meltdown of the global financial system in front of us. i would think that would be the question that would be at the top of my mind. >> you say that with such sort of finesse, i think your hair should be on end. bob shrum, what do you make of the whole twitter-verse with our president, and what about these debt talks? are you hopeful? >> yes, i am. i think people don't really understand the whole debt ceiling issue. i think there's a couple things that factor -- the first is the president can't afford a double-dip recession. secondly while republican presidential candidates might welcome that, boehner and the house republicans can't be sure he wouldn't bet blamed. i expect there's a team b working on how to handle this if it gets to that point.

perhaps would like a deal to get them off the hook on medicare. the president can do that as part of this dealing. >> well, mark dam temperature scott, do democrats really want to take medicare off the table? we all know, asthma tour adults, in the long term we're going to have to find a way to slow the growth of medicare, but right now that's the -- the democrats have the republican kind of over a boyer on that. >> matt, this is not a hard one to figure out. what's going on here is when john cornyn said let's do a short-term deal and come back next year, that set off a four-alarm alarm in the white house, because what would happen, if we did do a short-term deal now, we would be talking about spending budgets, deficits, the national debt between now and the election, which is another way of saying obama's record would till be a central focus of the campaign.

>> and long term at least through -- long term in the united states, politics now means through november 120112. obviously we'll be watches this through tomorrow. turning to another topic, very scary warning issued by the tsa, the transportation safety authority. david, talking about the fact that there may be -- though there was no specified threat, that there had apparently buzz that they're picking up that the idea of potential terrorists surgically implanting explosives in their body, not just hiding it somewhere in a body cavity, but people who are willing to die, to inflict terrible harm on folks, may be willing to surgically implant stuff in their body. what should we make of this? >> i think we're having here a bit of experience that people in washington often have. you have these brilliant people at homeland security who are thinking what would i do if i were a terrorist? they come up with plots ten times more flightening and more

effective than the terrorists ever do. we have been winning the war against al qaeda for a long time. since 9/11 each terror plot attempted or foiled or even the ones carried out, have been less sophisticated from the one before. these groups are finding it harder to communicate. we're winning. this is what success looks like. it doesn't mean the problem goes away s. >> david's point of view is reassuring, but i get freaked out, if one is willing to die, maybe this is the next scary frontier in terrorism. >> well, it could be, but i think david is right, we've made a lot progress, and you need

some pretty sophisticated surgeons operating in sophisticated ways to create these human bombs. the one thing i think it does do is advance the case for scanners. my wife has had a knee replacement. she has to be patted down and wanted. the scanners immediately show what's there, and i think assume they could do the same thing if somebody had a bomb xwlakted inside, so if this is a serious threat we'll see more scanners, even if we don't want to. >> mark, that depresses me. i travel a lot, and my wife has me worried about the radiation you get. i seem to be the guy that they alternates pick. it takes forever, they try to talk you out of it and try to tell you that the radiation is not as bad. they clearly have tsa talking points meant to put your mind at ease. what do you make of this latest tsa thing? >> i gets maybe you're just suspicious-looking, matt. let's face it

[ laughter ] . >> i think we should remember one very important characteristic, especially the muslim broshd. if you go back to the literature and demographics, and the terrorist movement more generally, one of the most striking aspects is the fact they tend to attract an awful lot of people who come from, in the middle east, from the professions especially doctors, so i think we should be careful before we dismiss this as something that is beyond the terrorist organizations. maybe it's beyond al qaeda right now, that doesn't mean it's not beyond for other parts of the terrorist enterprise. >> all right. i always feel more secure when i've got insight from guys like you around. thanks for taking the time. >> thank you. call them a cleanup crusader, montana's governor calling exxon to task. watch out, washington, he's coming after your messes next.

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today new questions about exxon mobil's handling on that oil spill in the yellowstone river. a pipeline spilled an estimated 1,000 barrels of crude into the water. exxon officials say they've only seen oil about 25 miles downstream, but the department of transcription said oil has spotted more than 2 hundred miles away. the governor says the oil giant lieutenant clean up its mess and pick up the tab either wade. he's got some ideas how to clean up washington problems, too. joining me now with some western common sense, our specialist, governor brian schweitzer. nice to see you again, governor. >> good to see you, matt. thanks for having me on. >> i'm seen headlines that

governor schweitzer has his boot to the neck of the big oil, given what's going on with the oil spill. what's the latest and describe your concern? >> well, the yellowstone river is running currently at full crest. it is a huge torrent that is racing out of the glaciers of the continental divides. it's bringing trees down the size of the house you live in. at that 340789, the pipeline that was under the require burt, so it dumped that oil, maybe 1,000 barrels, maybe more, i guess we won't know for a while, into that river. oil floats to the surface. since the river is flooding, the water has gone over the banks, then it settles down in calm areas, these wetlands. the water is now evaporating, draining back into the river and leaving the oil behind. these areas are the health and

welfare of this river, where the microbes are breeding and the insects are eating them. it's the real pry morial mix that creates the health of the river. remember, the yellowstone is not the allegheny or the ohio or potomac. it's the largest undammed river in the united states. so we're going to make sure that exxon mobil and epa, for ma matter, they stay here until it's cleaned up for the people of montana for this generation and the generations to follow. >> is one of the problems, as i understand it, they don't build the old pipeline deeply enough, or the new ones are much more deeply. does it mean we have a kind of bigger infrastructure with oil pipelines that are old than americans may be aware of? >> about a year and a week ago,

i wanted to make sure we were ready. we found about 88 crossings across our major streams and rivers, and i wanted to know which agency, federal and state and private would be responding. in fact, we even had a mock emergency of a pipeline burt in the yellowstone river one year and a week ago. little did we know we would have an opportunity to measure or performance our performance has been lacking, i must say. we were told that oil companies and pipelines would band together, they had regionally stockpiled supplies to respond to any of these emergencies. we were told there were automatic shutoff valves and it's not possible that it could run for even a couple minutes before it would shut off. exxon mobil said it had run for only six minutes and controlled out of the houston. that grew to 30 minutes. it's unclear whether they're saying 38 or 48 minutes, but it's nearly ten times as long as

initially. i can tell you this. they will stay here and clean it up to the sfas of the people of montana, and when it's done we'll let them know. >> our panel is still with us. bob shrum has a question. >> i like your toughness on this. one of the things that intrigues me, after bp, you would think the oil companies would learn not to falsely minimize these accidents. do you think the company was intentionally misleading, on you do you think they themselves didn't understand what was happening, which is probably almost as worrisome. >> i don't know. i'm a soil scientist. it might be easy to blow smoke up the south end of a north-facing lawyer or governor if he's an accountant, but it's a scientist, not a lawyer.

>> david fromme? >> i'll pass. i have no questions for the governor. >> pass or play, it's like the old password. mark, a question for the governor? >> governor, i hate to even think about the possible of smoke being blown up in that way. i understand you have plans to come to washington and clean up washington. i hope that's true. lord knows this town needs to be cleaned up. but i was looking at your campaign contributions in 2004 and 2008 earlier today, and i noticed that your second biggest group of contributors was lawyers and lobbyists. so my question, somewhat tongue in cheek, but not entirely, is this. what is it about you that the ambulance chaser and the influence peddlers find so attractive? >> well, i hope somebody can translate, because i don't understand that english, but i

can tell you this, and i want you to listen real close. i don't receive one penny in my political action committee. even though all my opponents filled their pockets. i only receive contributions from individuals. no corporations and no pacs. match that someplace in america. by the way, washington, d.c., i've got a couple border coalies, the smartest doggone dogs going. they can tell the difference between a smell of a skunk and bird. they ain't going to like the smell of washington, d.c. >> on that fragrant note, governor, thank you for taking the time today for updating us. thanks always to the megapage of shall rum, fromme and tapscott. we'll talk to you gentlemen soon. still ahead, a get out of jail free card for casey anthony? her sentencing is tomorrow. we're live in florida with the latest. latest. stay with us.

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casey anthony faces sentencing tomorrow morning for the crime she was actually found guilty of. it sparked outrage and confusion across the country, bud an alternate juror is out defending the outcome. >> i felt the prosecution was able to show how she died, what was the motivation, and when they explained to us what reasonable doubt was, i definitely had reasonable doubt. >> joining me now from orlando, florida, kerry sanders, is she going to walk? >> reporter: it's a good chance she will indeed. she was convicted on four misdemeanor charges, which, if you pushed it to the limit would be if you stacked them four years she's are in the local

jail almost three years. it's very common to give credit for time served. if he has some discretion here, he indeed mae let her leave. there's a real concern, as you saw, the reaction anchor, and quite frankly the emotion that spilled out of this courthouse may return tomorrow. if the judge were to release her, the security of getting out of this bulge, although they've started working on the plan, it's not yet set. >> kerry sanders, thank for ultimate update. next, old mcdonald had a farm until the government got involved. a new documentary investigates the food fight happening on family farms across the country. what it means for you and your family. that's next. my doctor told me calcium

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and usda officials. >> armed agents, families held at gunpoint and food sources incinerated. it sounds like a summer blockbuster, but it's a documentary about farms. it explores the relationship between the u.s. government and big agribusiness. coot there be a war on co-ops? welcome, kristin. congratulations on the film. you got into this story in a personal was because of your son. tell folks on you that happened. >> yes, when my son was a preschooler, he was completely ridden with allergies and asthma. the medications just weren't working. doctors told me his immune system was severely depressed. he was allergic to grass, dust, every time many animal, every type many pollen. he was a very sick child. my research led me to the works

of sally burl, and dr. joe mccoola, and a bunch of alternative health sites that let me to find that raw milk in some cases relieved people's allergies, not in all, but in some, so i ventured to the farm to find some raw milk. i found it. long story short, he has no allergies today. he was completely cured. >> you learned as you got into this, the smaller farms, the organic farms that do this are some some ways almost put under attack by what? >> to me the movie asks that question. to me there's a bit of both. there are regulators that have larch perspectives. if they see the movie, it tells both sites.

>> i drink are you milk from grass-fed cattle, and it's tested. i know that it's very safe. broaden it out for us. this is at concern that, what, that the -- that the exposure, that the bacteria, that stuff that organic farms and local flood suppliers, there's a whole movement to try and increase our use of healthy foods,'s opposed to the big processed foods that the agribusiness provides. it's a bigger issue. how do you hope that your film is going to advance the conversation on that? >> right. my movie is not just about the milk.

some are about the milk, because it's the hardest to you a raw dairy farmer now, but people wants vegetables right from their farms. there's people that want grass-fed beef right from the farm. these farmers are having trouble getting that you are produce and goods to market also. so really -- >> these are raids taking place by, what, the department of agriculture agents who come in with guns like they saw and put them out of the business? >> it's all different. sometimes it's the usda, others it's the fda, others it's the state agricultural agencies coming in. what i hope to show in my movie is there's a lot of restrictions on the small guy getting their produce to the consumers, and i think that we should be able to come to a reasonable agreement to make it so there are reasonable regulations on our farmers that are safe, but that don't drive our farmers out of business. >> now, is this a political story in some sense?

is it the bigger agriculture firms trying to get the government to crack down on what they perceive as a threat to the markets, and if the local food movement gets too much traction and that's a a threat? >> it could be. the latest statistics i have seen are like 1% of is the population is trying to get their -- is drinking raw milk right now. >> that's pretty small. >> increasing to 2%. >> well, that's double. >> and those small increases could be making them fearful. it seems to be a bit of both, though, the regulators barking up the wrong tree, and probably some political pressure that they're under. so if people are interested this trying to take action or get more involved, what do they need to do, go to the farmers market and talk to the farmers there? or going to a website? how do you suggest that people get more involved? >> the number one thing to do is support your local farmer, to meet your local farmer, set foot

on the farm, and know your food, do research into the kinds of foods that you're consuming. that includes everything that you consume -- milk, meat and vegetables, and if your local farmer seems to be getting into trouble or having certain restrictions that don't make sense to you as far as food safety is concerned, get involved. get involved politically and, you know, and write to congress. write to your representatives. >> we have a few seconds left, you have a message, what would it be? >> i think that we can all live here together. i think that there are regulations that makes sense that will keep our food safe, and can still help and support the farmer get their -- small farmer get that you are produce to the consumers that want to consume the food. >> kristin canty, the provocative new documentary is "farmageddon." we'll be looking for that and

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time for our daily rant. democratic strategist david goodfriend to defend an under-appreciated sector of the workforce. david, the floor is yours. >> thank you, matt. for 30 years, the right wing has been painting america's public employees as leeches and villains. they say the government is the problem, and the hysteria is

reaching a fever pitch this month as budget negotiations come down to the wire. well, i've decided to take it personally, as my dad approaches his 80th birthday this year. you see, my brilliant scientist father, who could have made millions starting his own companies or joining corporate boards has devoted his life to public service as a government employees. he run the va hospital research wing in ply hometown, using federal grands in the national institutes of health, he helped to develop a kind of medicine for high blood pressure that if you have high blood pressure you probably use to stay healthy. he's taken care of vet advance, saving countless lives in the process. he's taught generations of medical students at the university of wisconsin. he started free clinics for my grant farm workers and homeless throughout wisconsin. does that sound like the menace to society that the

conservatives call government employees? government employees, if you say those words to a right-wing conservative they'll foam at the mouth about bureaucracy and waste, but say the words government employee to me, and i think of my dad, a doctor, a scientist, a public servant of the highest order paid with your tax dollars, yes, but who very well might have saved the life of someone you know. i am sick of these right-wing blowhards in congress who beat up on my dad and hi colleagues in the public sector day after day while turning a blind eye to pork, giveaways, waste and abuse in the tax code that think help oversee. they're in the tank for powerful money interest and use government employacy as a convenient punching bag. there's no lobby for the dr. goodfriends of the nation, but i'll defend the public sector doctors, researchers, nurses, lab techs, orderlies until i day i die.

these aren't faceless bureaucrats, they're my family and yours. sure, they'll probably have to take a cut in pensions or health benefits to balance the budgets, but they're not a navl scourge, they're a national treasure. happy birthday, dad, and thanks for everything you have done for your condition. >> that's a great tribute to your dad, david. who says democrats don't have family values, right? here's one of my questions. i've worked in public servant. why is there in schizophrenia of the folks we -- and yet it still becomes this punching bag that seems to be effective? >> ebb been a 30-year media blintz campaign. to demonize government workers,

when in reality you have to look around your community. you can't just say all government is bad, any more than you can say all business is bad. there's good and bad. right now as this budget deal is being cut, be very mindful of the fact there are important things to you and me that are on the chopping block. i don't like to see anything other than a balanced approach to this budget. remember the things that matter to you most, like your health, like science, that comes out of the federal budget, too. >> just about 20 seconds, david. a lot of people had hope, i did, when obama was elected, like when jfk there would be a renewal of what you could do to your country. that hasn't materialized. why? just 15 seconds. >> idealism is everywhere. you've just got to look for it. >> that's even briefer than 15 seconds. david goodfriend, a man of the man osyllable, thank you for the powerful rant, and for showing what a great tribute to your dad. very well done. thanks for coming