lindhburg to cross the atlantic that glenn did in orbiting the earth and that jack had inning taking us to the moon. thanks for being with us. we want to say good night tonight and good luck rather to our long time producer brooke bra brauer who is moving ton be a producer. more politics ahead with al sharpton. a wake-up call for the econ kon my. it is about jobs, not cuts. we know the republican agenda is driving the economy off the cliff. and now is the time to change the conversation in washington. and debt fight dubbed president obama have a secret plan to get a deal?

plus, michele bachmann's attempt to go main stream is over. her sickening true colors came out today. and murdock's mess, his phone-hacking scandal deepens. can he survive it? what does itean for fox news? welcome to the show. tonight's lead, we need to stop having the wrong conversation on jobs. the new jobs numbers came out today. and they are good. unemployment hit 9.2%. and if we needed any more proof, here it is again. the republican approach of tax cuts and huge spending cuts is all wrong. we democrats are doing what you wanted. but this jobs report swwake-up call. there is not a singed jobs bill since they took power and they block the president at every turn.

>> the debate here in washington has been dominated by issues of debt limit. but what matters most to americans, and what matters most to me as president, in the wake of the worst downturn in our lifetimes is getting our economy on a sounder footing more broadly. >> we extended the bush tax cuts in december. remember? and look where it got us. instead of hiring people, corporations are holding -- are holding on to a record of $1.9 trillion in cash. they have taken our bailouts and tax money and they're sitting on it. so why are republicans pushing an agenda that hurts the economy? maybe because they think it will help them beat president obama. here is michele bachmann on cnbc. >> -- mystic that we can find a place where we can come

together. >> well, let's -- we're going to get you bachmann. that was not michele bachmann. that was nancy pelosi. i can tell you that. we will get the soundbite for you. but let's remember what the top priority is. the top priority of the republicans is not the economy. listen. >> our top political priority over the next two years should be to deny president obama a second term. >> now, mcconnell said that. our top priority is to deny him a second term. that's what he said. and i argued that's what they are doing. joining me now is jerry bernstein, former chief economist for vice president biden. how are you? >> i'm good, reverend. good to be with you. >> the numbers are out, i think it is the most, in my opinion, the most weird attempt i've seen in a while. where the republicans start acting as though this validates

their point, like we haven't been operating on the republican play book economically all along. they've got the tax cuts extended. they are the ones talking about spending cuts. unemployment keeps going up. and they're saying, see, it's you. but what do they think, we're stupid? >> that's the way i see it. i mean, you've got an economy that's starving and the republicans are offering us a more of a fast. basically saying, completely topsy-turvy economics. that's aggressive spending cuts at a time when we thought yesterday was a fragile economy. today looks down right frail. these jobs numbers, i was trying it find some silver lining in there basically what we are looking for in today's numbers was if the may jobs result, which is already lousy, was just an anomaly. something that would be corrected bay better result in june, instead we got the

opposite. may is marked down and june is basically nowhere. so the jobs machine stalled. and the only way to get it running again is to try to give it a little bit of fuel. some kinds of programs that are targeting jobs. as you suggested, as long as this town is obsessively focused on debt and deficit, the budget, not the jobs deficit, it is very possible to get policy makers looking in the right direction. >> we have talked before. i'm from new york. in new york we have a place named times square. biggest con game in the world is three card mountainy where they trick you for the money where they try to get to you look under the card for the stone. this is the three card monty. they talk about deficits and spending rather than job creation. >> right. when the president came out this morning. what he said, the clip you played was very important. he could have come out and said this jobs report shows why we need to continue down the path

of deficit and debt reduction. there was a little bit. but what he opened up with is what america wants us to focus on right now is the jobs deficit. with great urgency. that doesn't mean that you don't plot a path to fiscal sustainability in the medium and long-term. but here is an important point, reverend. i want to get this on the record. if you eliminate temporary jobs programs, whether it is a tax hol hol day, unemployment insurance, and i have a lot of ideas that could help a place like new york city, if you make these programs temporary that last a year or two, no impact at all on the median deficit. anyone who says other wileyes doesn't know the numbers. that's what the economy so urgently needs right now. >> that's what is important for people to understand. you're not talking about increasing the deficit to give some kind of immediate short term jobs program.

>> let me give you a great exam. of this. i think you will really appreciate it. if you look now -- everybody around here talks about the deficit like they really care. they really understand it. if you look at what is fuelling, the long-term deficit in this country, it is two things. let me tell you first what it's not. it's not the recovery act. the recovery act is out of the picture. in a year or so no impact at all on the median or long-term deficit. it's the bush tax cuts and wars. those two -- >> and those are the two things that they say, they don't want to talk about. it is off the table. no tax going back it normal type taxes before the bush tax cuts. >> right. >> we are not putting them on the table. >> but what they talk about -- >> it will not address the problem. >> so what they are talking about is precisely again, all upside down. like everything you hear these guys say, you have to turn it upside down to get it right. what they are saying is it is the spending on jobs, stimulus,

temporary spending that gets into the system. helps it out and gets out. it is this long-term permanent stuff. the bush tax cuts and wars, prescription drugs and stuff that goes on. the credit card. that's what is driving the deficit. >> they're not -- they continue to change the language in the conversation. because we're not talking about raising taxes. we're talking about stopping the cut in taxes that the wealthy have and just going back it taxes as they were. that's not a tax hike. that's stopping tax deductions. >> that's an interesting point, reverend. actually if you go back a few years, every one of the republicans vote for precisely the tax increase. they voted for the bush tax cuts to sunset in 2010. and you know, that was to squeeze it into the budget window. so, yeah, i agree with your point. >> jack bernstein, thanks for your time tonight. >> my pleasure. >> joining me now, congressman peter defazo, democrat from oregon, a proud member of the

progressive caucus. thank you for joining us tonight, congressman. one thought on tax cuts with a new inflation measure at age 56 would amount it an annual deduction of benefits of $130 by age 75. $560 by age 85. and i think $984 by age 85. would democrats stand for this, congressman? >> absolutely not. first off, seniors haven't gotten on social security haven't gotten the cost of living increase in two years because the formula is already defective. it doesn't measure things, they have to purchase. like medical care, pharmaceuticals. their essentials. renting with fuel. those things aren't measured. it is consumer products. like did they get the new ipod. did they get the new ipad. did they get the new g-4 phone.

whatever. they are struggling to do essentials. we are already in trouble. they should have a special index for seniors because they have different purchasing patterns. if we go with this so-called chained cpi, it will stick it the most to those who can least afford it. that is seniors most dependent upon social security. they will see their cost of living adjustments go way again or see them be much smaller in the future. there a pretty good consensus in the democratic caucus today. we didn't go go there. social security didn't cause this problem. remember, social security didn't get a penny from the general fund. the only reason they got money from the general fund this year, is because of the obama tax holiday for social security. so we had to borrow the money to replace it. social security owns 30% of our debt. social security didn't cause this problem. we don't need to cut social security. >> why do we continue to have conversations, congressman,

about things that don't address what we are talking about. social security didn't cause the problem, it won't affect the deficit. we are talking about deficit and spending when we are losing jobs. i mean, why, we allowing people to change the conversation to other than what is needed to deal with the problems? look at this gravy put up. what is more important? 620% of the american -- 60% of the american people say keep social security and medicare benefits. 32% say reduce the deficit. i mean, the american people seem to get it. what's going on in washington? >> well be i fear the obama administration has bought into too much of the republican rhetoric here in some sort of weird try angulation move. they are talking about -- i add conversation with his deputy economic advisor. i said, look, you're proposing to continue the tax holiday 15 bucks a a week to everybody working. okay, a lot of people can use the money.

but it is incredibly expensive and who does it put to work? if you borrow the same money you put into the social security trust fund to make it whole can you put 4 or 5 million people to work rebuilding the crumbling infrastructure of this country. it is not just con trucks. it is engineering, manufacturing, services, small businesses. it's all across the economy. it is a proven way of putting people to work. and he said to me, we can't do that. what do you mean we can't do it? there is a lack of will here. not a lack of capability. >> where are the democrats in the congress? why aren't your colleagues standing up a and dramatizing this and confronting this whether you have the votes or not? where is the outrage on the floor of the house? >> i'm pretty outraged a lot on the floor, reverend, if you've been watching me. and yesterday when the republicans proposed to cut, cut, in the nation's infrastructure by 35%, putting another 500,000 construction workers and associated workers out of work next year, you know, we the democrats, held a press

conference, got in their face and said you people are nuts. our bridges are falling down. our highways are crumbling. our transit systems are killing people because we are underinvesting. we need to invest like other nations in those areas. i got to tell you, other than your show, msnbc and a few others, they don't want to cover us. >> i'm glass the caucus is going out on the road. we need to raise our voices and speak out. thank to you congressman peter defazio. thank you for your time tonight. ahead, in the fight over the debt, who will bleed first? is there a secret plan in the works? mr plus, the real michele bachmann is back. wait until you see the disturbing positions she just indulged. and rupert murdock is feeling the heat. can the fox news empire and rupert survive the phone hacking scandal? ♪ that's the way, uh-huh, uh-huh ♪

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>> some level of optimism emerged from that meeting to enable at least us to schedule, the president to schedule a meeting on sunday, late in the day, to see where we are on something that would have the

elements of, in their words, grand bargain. i wish we could be thinking about a grand vision bp but you want to call it. >> that is minority leader nancy pelosi sounding less than enthusiastic about the grand bargain being negotiated with republicans. she spoke after a meeting a the white house and she spoke after her meeting with democrats that was described as lively. here you can say that again. for more on that and where they stand on both sides heading into this weekend of negotiations, let me bring in my next guest. joining me now is editor and columnist for the hill, ab stoddard. also with me is washington bureau chief for the huffington post, ryan grim. ab, let me ask you, how spirited and how provocative in some of the positions was the democratic meeting that the former speaker

of the minority leader pelosi came out of with that statement? >> well, the minority leader and former speaker is in a little bit of a tough spot because she is glad for the meeting with the president and wants to be at the table for these negotiations and be a part of the process like she was not when the president agreed with the republicans in december to extend the bush tax cuts. and she was not in the spring and april when republicans and the president negotiated to cut a deal on fiscal 2011 budget. so at this point, she is glad to be included. as you saw, she is trying to be in wait-and-see mode for sunday. but she made it perfectly clear that medicare and social security should be on what she calls a separate table. she doesn't want any cuts to beneficiaries and she's really trying to remain the champion for the democrats of those programs. so what you're going to see in days to come is whether there are specifics coming out of the white house that she has to say

no to. and put her foot down on. at this point she is trying to -- >> what does the nod mean? are you agreeing or what do i interpret by your nod? >> you're right. that this is a very, very lively meeting that democratic caucus had today. they add lively meeting yesterday among the wlip team, the members in charge of keeping everybody together. you know, there was a moment where pelosi and hoyer seem to disagre on medicare and social security. donna edwards and other liberals aggressively challenged hoyer on that. today donna edwards apologized to hoyer, said i apologize for the tone but not for the substance of what was said. they are unified publicly, house democrats. that is important. people try to forget the house minority like the house minority doesn't matter. but boehner will need 60, 70,

80, 90 democrats. probably a hundred won't vote for the debt ceiling no matter what. >> with those hundred republicans, that won't vote for the debt ceiling no matter what, is it a fact that there may not be the willingness to cut a deal no matter what on the republican side of this? and maybe the strategy of the white house and the president is, to put everything on the table and force them to say no, no matter what you do, we don't want to anyway. which will really make the american public understand. these people don't care about running the country or default. it is about ideology, not about the economy. >> the white house would be happy. they would appear like they are the adults and republicans are the children and they are hard line and extremists. but the white house, i think they would be very happy it strike this grand bargain, as

they are calling it, as pelosi called it. i think they would love to get the $4.5 trillion in deficit reduction. i think while they would be happy for this political win, they would like the policy. if they have to do it with just 120 republicans and a hundred democrats, they will do it. but how you meet that balance is tricky. >> isn't it not true that the republicans do not want even with mrs. pelosi saying the grand bargain and trying to poopoo it, they don't want victory on the republican side to president obama because at the end of the day, they are committed to his defeat. >> what they really don't want is anything that can be construed as a 25678 increase. there are a number of republican wloes will not vote for any deal no matter what, unless it is comprised solely of tax cuts. that purist outlook will be a

huge challenge for house speaker john boehner. there will be memberes who are not, even if it is closing loop holes for corporate fat cats. there will be people in the conference who say, that in the end, is a tax increase on somebody and i don't be with you. that's a challenge for the republican leader on the map. >> i'm running over. . a b., is there going to be a deal, yes or no? >> i think there is going to be a smaller deal. >> what do you think, ryan? is there going to be a deal? >> yes, there will be a deal. >> all right, we will see. thank you for your time this evening. >> thank you. >> ahead, she calls herself, the unified. but wait until you see the kick pledge michele bachmann just took. stay with us. i couldn't conceive this as a heart attack.

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>> i think the republicans have changed and had the wrong conversation and one i know is agreeing with me is democrat from illinois and member of the progressive ucus. congresswoman, you have been saying all aalong, we are having the wrong debate. we are about to get to a conclusion that may not address the problem. what is going on here when we look at the unemployment numbers today, will they get it? this is not about deficit. it's about job creation.

>> you are exactly right. i think the threshold problem we have is that the republicans have gotten way with creating away with the idea that biggest problem, the biggest crisis that we have def det and deficit. we need to address that down the road but right now it is all about jobs. and frankly, al, jobs equal deficit reduction. then people can go out and spend money and they can pay taxes. and what businesses need are not more tax cuts, they need more customers. >> see, that is exactly right. >> all this happens if people are working. >> it was said today in the new york times piece, is that the reason businesses are spending money is that they don't have enough customers tp it is not about needing more tax cuts. the thing that is amazing congresswoman is that we had these tax cuts. we are in the tax cut, tax cut,

tax cut mode. it hasn't worked. unemployment is going up. how did you keep prescribing the patient the same medicine, the patient gets sicker, and you write out a prescription for the same medicine. >> you know, the ro gresive caucus had a jobs listening tour around the country app and i feel like i'm looking at the middle class disappearing. the american dream going down the drain. but we are not helpless in the face of these unemployment numbers. we can hire more people. you think with you need an expansive jobs bill in this country. and we need to actually be spending more money in order to reduce the deficit. it is really quite simple. it's economic 101. put people back to work. then build our economy and down the road wheb it's time, we do need it look at structural ways that we reduce the structural deficit. i was on the president's commission on deficit reduction.

i agree that it's an issue. but even the simpson comment says we don't want to threaten this fragile recovery by cutting spending too quickly. well, now is the time. i hope on sunday when they get together, at the white house, that there's a shift from this obsession about debt reduction to job creation. >> i think that you make an important point. none of us are saying it does n not -- doesn't need to be some down the road look at structural balance and dealing with the structural problems that causes the deficit and we are going to run out of money in some of these programs. but immediate concerns will not be addressed unless we deal with job creation and millions of americans need us to do that. was that the feeling in the room today when the democratic caucus met you in that room, that ms. pe lessee was in? what can you tell us was the feeling in n that room?

and what strategy did the democrats have to get the conversation back on track? >> you know, there's tremendous resentment that the republicans are holding hostage raising the debt ceiling. that they are willing to create a default crisis. in order to get that way, to continue the devastating cuts. including of course, medicare and social security. you know, under the bush administration, seven times in eight years, we raised that debt ceiling. we didn't hear a peep. >> not one word. >> out of those republicans. >> not one word. >> not one word. of course there is enormous concern about creating new jobs. there are many different ideas. i tell you what, mine is, if you think by need more people at work, then we should hire them. and i don't think that that's something sort after dirty word or you know, too big government. because there's plenty that needs to be done in this

country. we need to fix schools. we need to fix sewers at water systems. we need to hire more healthcare workers and child care workers. and that's exactly what wee we should do. this is back -- >> we need to build highways, tunnels. look at traffic you've got to go to in chicago just to get to the show. representative, thanks for your time tonight. have a great weekend. >> thank you, al. up next, michele bachmann takes another big step to the right. and falls off the deep end. is she taking her campaign down with her? and the party of the rich is having some money problems. stay with us. [ male announcer ] this is america. what makes our country great? our can-do spirit and our can-do cheese. kraft singles. this cheese rolls up its sleeves and gets the job done 'cause we're always made with milk and we're rich in calcium to help build 'em up strong! and fast!

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welcome back to the show. now to discuss some of the big political stories. with we have the power panel. joining me is christina

bellantoni. victoria defrancescwosoto and john feehery. >> michele bachmann, legitimate candidate? bachmann released a new ad in iowa this week in which she calls herself the unifying choice that will beat obama. but on that same day, she became the first republican to sign the family leaders crazy candidate plug. it's anti-gay, anti-choice. and it suggests african-american children born into slavery were better off than those born today. john, is she trying to have it both ways? >> well, reverend sharpton, she is someone who has always been a candidate who would unify the

right wing of the party. she is a social could be servetive. she has never runway it that. she will be a spring board to the rest of the states. so it unifies her with the right wing of the social con conservative movement. this is not a surprise at all. >> so you're saying on national television that the right wing of the republican party believes that blacks were better in slavery, that children born, than they are today. and what she said about them being born with two parents and raised bay mother and father in slavery, let me put the quote up because i want you to be very clear on what you believe they are saying. >> slavery had a disastrous impact on american families yet sadly a child born into slavery under 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than an african-american baby born

after the election of the usa's first african-american president. now you areware in slavery, many parents were sold to different states and never saw their kids again. it was against the law for kids to be named after their father. are you going it stand by that statement? >> no, i would not stand by that statement. i don't -- i didn't sign the pledge, reverend sharpton. i think that kind of statement right now is needlessly devicive. >> what does it say about bachmann that she signed the statement, john? what does it say about bachmann that she signed the statement to you, victoria? >> the statement, if you read it, it also denounces sha rea islam and includes stuff about the economy. it is this catch-all pledge about making the stand with c conservatism. i don't know la to think about the pledges. we sought abortion pledge and now this pledge. it could be important in helping

frame republican voters. it is an informational queue they look to. i think we will see other pledges and they will not become important. they did d this now in the hopes of standing out and cementing her lead. but i really think it'll be useless at the end of the day. >> christina, if she becomes a major player, if she comes out of iowa a winner or second, and she is taking pledges like this, does she not hurt the main stream republican party and becomes what conservatives like brooks started fearing. >> i mean, this is a woman who truly believes in many, many social conservative ideals. and she's signing a pledge, that doesn't really matter. she is incredibly socially conservative. the actual language of this pledge, i'm sure she signed many

things that democrats would say are out of the main stream for the general electorate. so you will see this come out if she were in the general election. >> well, let me ask this, next, tim pawlenty's political obituary. premature or not? i mean, he's headed to meet the press this weekend. but tim pawlenty hasn't been getting much good press lately. today in new york times, will a republican race first be the first out. and bloomberg sees doom and gloom in his future. he's not doing too hot on fund-raising either. christina, does he still have a shot? look at his fund-raising. >> of course he has a shot. i think if any candidate's political obituary was written in the paper that didn't jump out of race, this would be a surprise, right? you have seen so many candidates written off and come back.

yes, he has add lot of trouble fund-raising. i think bachmann has taken away his support and opportunities in iowa. he is not going away. >> he may have a shot, john. but this has got to be very disappointing. >> he's been running for a long time. he's had a hard time coming up with a coherent message that catches fire with the primary voters. i think that he has a little bit -- he is not raising much money. there's not much enthusiasm for his campaign. he has a very compelling personal life story he hasn't really shared in a compelling way. and i do think that if he wants to catch fire, he is going to have to start doing it quick. we are getting close to the primaries now. >> i mean, victoria, what can dough? was his moment at the debate? what can he do? >> he lacks charisma. i'm not saying if you're a boring candidate you're not a strong candidate. but right here in texas we have candidate with a lost charisma.

he hasn't announced yet but the rumor is perry will jump in. once perry jumps in, you will see folks like tim paw lenny just fall to the way side. he has that ability to raise money and in addition to that, he has the charisma. so t-paul is the first to announce but i think the first to pull out too. >> i ran in 2004. i think his moment was the debate. you've got to take your shot. i don't know if he was listening to advisors that told him to try it act too above the fray and that he missed his opening. i don't know what it is. but he add clear shot to define himself that night. he did. finally let me ask this. i'm going to run out of time. i want it know why the 2012 republicans are saying show me the money. the center for responsibility politics say candidates raise a combined $35 million through june 30. look at this, four years ago republican hopefuls already had

more than $118 million. victoria, doesn't that show how unexcited even the gop donors are with this current field? >> i think that there is a possibility of in the 2012 republicans, just raising the white flag, and saying you know what, we're going it sit this one out. we're going to not waste our money. we're waiting until the 2016. let's focus on our farm team. let's focus on the congressional elections. right now the field is so fractured and it moved so much to the extreme because of the tea party movement. any kand date that comes out of the primary is not going to become competitive in the general. and obama has oodles of cash and he is a great campaigner. >> you agree with that christina? >> i don't necessarily agree with that. look for example a pro romney super pack raised $12 million in the first six month ests year. karl rove's outside group that is allowed to raise unlimited sums of money already spent

millions and millions of in targeting brak barack obama in key states of the general election. whether the canned dates can raise it, that said a little something about the field but there will be plenty spent in 2012. >> john, you think we are looking at it the wrong way. we thinker with looking at candidates money and the money the be in other ways, now that the supreme court recently opened up for there to be other ways to raise money that can impact elections? >> i think there is a couple things going on. first i think people are trying to hang on to that money because the obama economy made a lot of gop donors light in the wallet. i also think they are waiting to pick the candidate who is going win. i don't think there is any real passion for any of the candidates. pe they want to pick a winner, it becomes clear who the winner will be. i don't think that has had an impact on giving -- >> do you give obama, economy made the gop donors light in

the -- they made all of the big recovery. is everybody else who -- i think you got your con stitincies mixed up. >> everybody is hurting. >> no, the rich guys doring very well. i don't understand. you are arguing about keeping your corporate jet so you don't have taxes there. you are arguing about you don't want to pay taxes on the state. you don't want to bring back the taxes -- why don't you guys quit laying around on corporate welfare and stand up and lift yourself by your boot straps like every other american. >> i think they are hold tong that money because they are afraid obama will take it. that's the problem they've got. >> no, they are afraid they have to share with the rest of the american people like the rest of the american people have been forced to share. thank you for a great panel. have a good weekend. >> thanks. >> you too. >> thank you. >> rupert murdock is facing the biggest crisis of his career. what does that mean for fox news? that's next. ♪ [ dr. ling ] i need to get the results from the m.r.i.

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>> it's the story that rupert murdoch wishes would just go away. the media mogul and his empire are under attack for the british tabloid, phone hacking scandal that forced him to shut down his largest newspaper, sparked a government investigation, and unleashed a flood of ang frert public hp. now the scandal is turning the spotlight on murdoch's media empire here in the u.s. especially on to fox news. so what does the controversy tell us about how murdoch does business? and what will the scandal mean for fox news? joining me now, is elise hogue, senior advisor at media matters, a nonprofit watch dog group that is now under attack from fox news. elise, how are you? and welcome to the show. what does this mean in america? of course, we know in england, there is a lot of outrage. in parliament there. there's unprecedented attacks.

but what could this mean in the united states and particularly for fox news? >> you know, the first thing i think americans need to realize reverend, is that news international is a part of news corps, which is a u.s. listed company. we have kind of had it over here with unaccountable u.s. companies right? it led to the economic down fall of our country. i think americans need it start looking very hard at the deeper mismanagement that systemic through news corps and ask questions about whether the lies we hear everyday on fox. the lies that come from senior management at fox, purr i have aed through the rest of murdoch's empire, wall street journal, new york daily news ease daily citizens, spied on as well. >> is this your opinion and opinion of media matters, away that management has a style of

journalism? is this an isolated incident in terms of one paper in england? one has to question what is going on here with him giving up an entire paper 07b this. so is this widespread throughout his operations? your opinion? and that opinion of media matters? is this isolated? or do you not know yet? >> i think we know enough. they started with a rotten apple, that's one rogue journalist, right? obviously when have you 4,000 cases of citizens whose privacy han has been invaded, that's more than one rotten journalist. they are saying, h is just our institution. the closing of news of the world raises more questions that than it actually answers. we have definitely seen this style of management all the way through murdoch's empire. this is man known for putting his personal and political agenda ahead of public wealwell fair. quite honestly, we saw value when he shut down one of his

more profitable ventures with no warning. >> was closing down that venture a surprise, something that no one succumbing? if so, what other things do you think will happen if he had to avoid certain situations here in the united states? >> well, i mean, i think everybody was shocked with the abrupt closing of "news of the world." most of all, the employees who had nothing to do with the scandal that were laid off immediately. one of the things folks have to realize here in the u.s., in terms of direct connection, is the man who was originally responsible at "news of the world", les hinton, who concluded in the first investigation that no wrongdoing happened. he was promoted to be the ceo of dow jones which runs the wall street journal. the man who actually neither neglected to see the extent of the wrongdoing in the uk or at best knew about it and swept it under the rug, now controls one

of our most vetted newspapers in our country. we've got to be asking the questions. we can't wait until the scandal boils over here like it did in the uk before we do our due diligence. >> ily se, thank you very much for joining us tonight. republicans in state of confusion. when it comes to rights. that's next. no white jeans after labor day? what are you my grandmother? i'll rock white jeans whenever i want. and with tide plus bleach, they'll stay white. not whitish, not eggshell, not ecru... whatever that is. white. that's my tide. what's yours?

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>> this wiek ind, week weekend, we will see on sunday what some have said is a showdown. but what i want you to think about as you watch this, the showdown is more than about parties. it is even more about how we approach the economy from different vantage points. i think we are seeing something deeper here that a lot of americans have not had to think about or realize. that is, there's a fundamental disagreement that goes back way before president barack obama

took office. way before the tea party. there's always been a dispute between how this country is governed. whether it is governed by a strong central national union that will protect all of the citizens or whether it's governed, state by state. we are looking at a resurgeant in my judgment after state's rights movement. it is a little more polished. it is a little more sophisticated. it doesn't call itself that, but that's what it is. well, i take that back. because sometimes if you listen carefully, they will tell you that. listen to the star of the republican party, governor rick perry. what he had to say. >> the idea that they're telling us how to educate our children or how to deliver healthcare or for that matter how to clean our air. it is really nonsense. if you really want to get america back to this vibrant

economy, then respect the tenth amend many. allow the states to be the laboratories of innovation. >> allow them to be the laboratories of innovation. the tenth amendment. a states rights movement. oh, he wasn't clear? let him clear it up. listen again. >> texas came in the union in 1845 wp. one of the issues is that we would be able to leave if we decided to do that. if washington continues to thumb their nose at the american people, who knows what will come out of this. >> washington should not thumb their nose at the american people. that's right. each state should decide affirmative action. each state should decide immigration. each state should decide civil rights p.m. i'm sorry, i believe in something deeper. i believe in liberty and justice for