for a single purpose -- american citizens and awlaki was the target and the drones made a to make the world a safer place. direct hit. he was killed along with samir that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. khan who won an english language website. also killed was ibrahim ibrahim al asiri. >> i think it's interesting that ibrahim al asiri was killed along with these two. he was the mass officer boum making responsible for coming up with ideas like the cargo bomb

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we'll talk about how it relates qaeda. that's definitely a blow for al to today's politics. rachel maddow on who might qaeda. >> al awlaki's preachings are still reenter the gop field. all over the internet and there was a set of his on sale in welcome to "weekends with alex brooklyn found just this morning. what is the level of concern witt." that his preachings could take two al qaeda leaders were on new life now because he may be turned into a martyr? >> well, that's part of the problem. that anwar al awlaki's most influential recordings were made five or six years ago. these particular serm mosermons they have been on the internet for ages and there's no doubt about their impact. almost every single home-grown terrorism case there are recordings of al awlaki seized. when they were listening for potential targets, they were listening to al awlaki on the

radio. they said, this guy is telling us exactly what we need to do. it doesn't mean that he is dead. he could be as much trouble dead as he was alive. >> okay. evan kohlmann, always good to talk to you. >> thank you so much. ron paul came down hard on president obama, suggesting that the drone strike is the beginning of a dangerous new process giving the government permission to kill american citizens without due process. >> he was never charged or tried for any crimes. if the american people accept this blindly and casually, we now have an accepted practice of the president assassinating people who he thinks are bad guys. i think it's sad. >> meanwhile, governor rick perry offered rare praise for the commander in chief. >> i want to take a moment and congratulate the united states

military and our intelligence community and for president obama with the long standing aggressive policies for getting another key terrorist, young men and women of the military, our intelligence, administration, i want to say thank you to them. >> on a lighter note, herman cain appeared on the tonight show with jay leno and was asked about his opinion of his economy fors. >> i'll go down the list. rick perry. >> you know this is going to get me in trouble. >> i'm trying to get you in trouble. >> rick perry. good morninggovernor. >> all right. >> mitt romney. >> mitt romney. good hand. >> not everyone got a compliment. cain called ron paul a grumpy old man. more on meet the press. if it's sunday, it's "meet the

press." check your sunday for the local time. dramatic testimony about dr. conrad murray. the paramedics took the stand and described their efforts to save his life. stephanie stanton has the details. >> reporter: testimony on day four described what hatched just as the paramedics arrived at the home. and richard senneff said that he asked dr. murray repeatedly if jackson had any underlying medical issues and if any drugs had been given to the pop star. >> he said nothing. nothing. he has nothing. >> did you hear dr. murray provide information regarding any medications that had he given mr. jackson? >> no, ma'am. >> but fellow paramedic testified that he saw three bottles of lidocane near

jacksoned bed. >> did they add minister any litocane? >> no, ma'am. >> did you ask mr. murray whether mr. jackson was on any recreational drugs, correct? >> i don't recall whether i asked that or not. >> both men described repeated attempts to revive jackson before he was taken to the hospital where he was officially pronounced dead. this morning, four people were rescued after an airplane crashed into a ferris wheel in eastern australia. two kids were trapped on that ride for an hour and a half. the people in the plane were dangling there for a couple of hours. rescue crews were able to get them out safely and their injuries were not serious. on to rain where storms are

a concern for the weekend. the rain started not long after the first pitch in new york city. good morning, bill. >> good saturday morning. around the country there's not anything too bad. let's take a peak at the tropics. we're still in a very active hurricane pattern. we've been lucky. ever since we dealt with irene, the same is said for ophelia. this is a major hurricane. category 3. so a big, powerful storm. we can thank the big cut-off low and cold front off the coast for taking ophelia off to the sea. bermuda will be gone and nothing behind it that will head our way. it looks like a hurricane, knock on wood, at least for now, the hurricane season is very quiet for the rest of -- it looks like for at least the first two weeks of october. notice the southeast. there's one place that really

deserves it and it's the mid-atlantic. you're going to be cloudy and damp. d.c. northward, richmond, new york, philly, boston, a chance of a downpour. we could see a stray shower or two of the pacific northwest. later on tonight, chilly weather. in the ohio valley, 42 tonight in chicago. as we look towards the end of the weekend, your sunday forecast, still not much of a change in the northeast mid-atlantic, southeast looks good and west coast not bad for your sunday. so by far the worst weather this weekend. right here in the mid-atlantic up to new england. back to you. >> all right. bill karins, thank you. republicans once painted him as weak on national security but could president obama be the best president ever for fighting the war on terror? >> but, first, ready for a refund? the toning shoes that it turns out were too good to be true.

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. this weekend former president bill clinton marks the 20th year since he announced his run for the oval office. >> paralysis and neglect and

self fishness and division, not leadership and vision. >> i refuse to be part of the americans that fails to compete in the economy and condemns americans to a lifelong struggle without reward of security. >> there are several celebrations. on friday, a new bridge was dedicated to clinton in little rock. joining me now is john bethesda, the president's chief of staff when he left the white house. he's currently ceo for american progress. thank you for joining us. >> good morning, alex. thanks for having me on. >> what began 20 years ago? what do you think the clinton legacy is? >> i think 23u7bd mentally in this speech that he gave in little rock, i think he laid out

a vision for the economy and a plan for restoring the economy and restoring the middle class in the economy. i think he accomplished that in his eight years of office with the things that he said in that speech. he thought about it every day when he was in the oval office and it produced tremendous rewards for the middle class and for working people in this country. >> let's compare president clinton's approval this time in his first term with that of president obama's right now. because this president stands at 39% while president clinton was at 48%. so what did president clinton do right to stay positive and what is happening in this administration to lead to these numbers? >> well, look, i think that president obama inherited, because of the financial crisis, an economy that has been really difficult. we still have very high unemployment. president clinton, when he came into office, also had high unemployment but we managed to turn that -- bend that curve and

have unemployment start to go down. the long track record that led to the creation in the united states of 23 million jobs and i think that president clinton always remembered the people that he went there to fight for and kept talking to them and kept that narrative going and i think that's what is key to president obama's comeback, if you will, that he's now outgoing around the country talking about his jobs plan and what needs to be done to restore people's livelihoods to get their numbers going again. >> if the numbers stay as they are, can this president get re-elected? >> i think he can get re-elected. we're dealt with two very stark choices about the direction of the country and i think, quite frankly, if you look back 20 years, we've tried both. we've tried the path that the republicans want to go down now and it led to in both the late

'80s and early '90s and then in under president bush, if you look at what president obama is trying to do, i think it mirrors what president clinton was trying to do, was to invest in people, expand in education and get the economy working for working people. >> i want to play a clip from president clinton's 1986 state of the union. let's listen to this together. >> we have worked together, the american people, a smaller, less bureaucratic government in washington and we have to give the american people one that lives within its means. the era of big government is over. [ applause ] >> okay. that was then. and you can argue it applied then but where are we now, john? and what should president obama's approach be? >> well, i think president obama

needs to get the fiscal discipline back for this country. i think that's what president obama was talking about. first we need to get the economy going and jobs going. president clinton last night over at the presidential center spoke about this and said the only way to get back to a path to balance the budget and restore the fiscal balance in our kournt industry to get jobs going now and have cuts and quite frankly tax increases for the wealthiest americans. most people don't announce for president saying that they are going to raise taxes even on the wealthiest americans but president clinton did that in 1991 in that speech and said the wealthiest, amongst us, to be share, have to pay their fair share and did that, of course, in the 1993 economic plan and that led to both a balanced budget and strong economy, job growth, and wage growth. >> yeah, it's been echoed right now. i want to ask you about you were

chief of staff. do you perceive mismanagement right now in the obama white house? >> no. i think bill came in and i think that he has tightened things up. he's worked, i think, to, first, try to work with the republicans as the republicans took over control of the house of representatives. they spent a little too much time trying to reach a deal with speaker boehner. it was clear that that wasn't going to happen. now i think that they have shifted gears and i think he's helped president obama lead that way and lead in that direction, to shift gears to, again, put the pressure on jobs in this country. we need to get the economy going and he's pulling the levers to do that, work more closely with the cabinet to do all that they can do to concentrate on job

growth in the near term. >> and what about the campaign favorite? >> we were there last night and i'm still sweating the fat from the meat out of my pores. it is great for those of us that don't live in little rock to get back there and have that ta maully and toast again. so there's going to be an event to celebrate the announcement at the old statehouse again and we're going to have a barbecue and see old friends and have a good time. >> a lot of good memories as we look back 20 years. john podesta, thanks. >> thanks, alex. fixing the unemployment problems. the commercials made them seem too good to be true. the backlash against toning

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mean we agree with the ftc's allegations. we do not. we have received overwhelming enthusiastic feedback from thousands of easytone customers. >> it's not going to do it all by itself? >> some people swear by these shoes as well as wrinkle creams. but according to the ftc, reebok claims are total bunk. you don't work harder than any other shoe out there. >> so reebok disagrees with the government's findings but says that they will refund customers. >> they don't agree to the allegations and will do more testing to verify the claims but are trying to avoid a big mess here. so anyone who bought these shoes and feels like they got duped, go to reeboksettlement.com/ftc.

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patient, he was cool to the touch. his eyes were opened. they were dry. and his pupils were dilated. when i hooked up the ekg machine, it was flat lined. >> let's bring in our legal analysts to weigh in. good morning, ladies, good to see you both. car r karen, as a former prosecutor, how much does this testimony from the paramedic give you what you need? >> there's a few things going on here. obviously dr. murray's omissions, his behavior, and how he acted outside the standard of care are going to be three main things that are going to be evolved all through the trial. so the paramedic is key. he's an eyewitness to what was going on and establishing that timeline. and what he did or didn't do. this is a very low negligent

standard. >> and the paramedic reveals that dr. conrad murray never said a word about administering propofol. that he only gave him a sedative. let's listen to this testimony. >> said, no, he's not taking anything and then he followed that up with, i just gave him a little bit of lorazepam to sleep. >> and that's a mild sedative, correct? >> yes. >> did you follow up with anything snels. >> i asked, is there anything else? no, that's it. just a little bit of lorazepam. >> and how does this line up with the consciousness of guilt? >> it's a one-two punch. the first is, the doctor is going to say, i didn't know that he self medicated. i gave him 25 milligrams earlier in the day. i didn't know that he adjusted it earlier.

the second thing, and this is my own theory, that the doctor -- perhaps he's trying to protect himself, was trying to froeprot michael jackson's privacy. he was a history music freak. michael jackson was already dead when that testimony -- he was dead. whap point was there in telling? maybe that's what he is going to come out with. >> karen, another key witness that testified was a security guard that described jackson's children. let's listen to this. >> his mouth was slightly opened. >> okay. did he appear to be dead? >> yes. paris was on the ground, balled up crying and prince was just --

he was standing there and he just had a real shock -- slowly crying type look on his face. >> so you're bringing in this emotional testimony. is that an indication that the prosecution is thinking we need a little more here than what we've got? >> i don't think that they need a whole lot, only because, remember, this is a manslaughter trial. the standard is culpable negligence. the standard is knew or should have known that bodily injury could occur. they are trying a second-degree murder case in a mans slaut sister case, let's keep it simple. now we may hear from the children. >> and if we do, real quick, how damming will that be for the defense? >> they are the sympathy cards. the testimony is absolutely unnecessary to prove that dr. murray did or didn't do. but no child should witness his or her parent dying and that's going to really pull at the heartstrings of the jury. >> karen, thank you both.

new video released by the state of florida which shows casey anthony's reaction when her daughter's remains were found. this is from the orange county jail in november '08. she appears to double over when she hears this news. the video was sealed in 2009 but a judge approved the video's release on friday. anthony was acquitted of murdering her 2-year-old daughter in july. let's go to poll tings. time to play fact or fiction. we begin with president obama's economics plan which focuses on the jobs plan. >> it's time for america to get its act together and sign this jobs bill so i can sign it into law. >> let's do fact or fiction. good morning, glenn. this is becoming a good habit. >> yeah, good morning to you, too. >> here we go. the big issue is jobs, jobs, jobs. first, fact or fiction? president obama was correct when he said, the jobs bills contains

the types of proposals that the democrats and republicans have supported in the past. what's the answer there? >> that's fiction. we looked into that and gave president obama two pin noek ohios for that statement. there are a lot of tax provisions which republicans have never supported and a lot of jobs provisions, i looked into it. he might have had one, two, three republican supported, one of those republicans, arlen specter, became a democrat. so he's stretching the truth there. >> okay fact or fiction, mitt romney last month was correct when he said that right to work states created more jobs than what he called union states over the last years. >> that's also a fiction. n to z, those states created more jobs.

>> all right. fact or fiction, economists from across the poll lit cal spectrum have not said that the president's jobs bill would boost the economy and create jobs. >> you can make whatever point you want. you can call it fact-ise if you want. the white house has never made a prediction as to how many jobs they would create. >> okay. got to predict this one. fact or fiction. the obama jobs bill will not pass congress. fact or fiction? >> that's fact. the way things are going, there's no way that entire package will pass. you might say pizza might but -- >> so cherry peakicking? pieces will get through? >> yes. >> glenn, thanks so much. >> you're welcome. aides close to governor

chris christie is reconsidering about joining the presidential race. who might else join the gop field and i also asked rachel about the recent frustration about president obama's liberal base and whether there are any parallels to when jimmy carter faced tough competition against ted kennedy. >> jimmy carter getting the primary challenge from ted kennedy, there's nothing like that happening with president obama. and from the obama campaign, that's a blessing. now, what is means, essentially in the broad orientation of americans politics is that it's sort of obama and a unified left and center fighting against the right and the right is very, very enthusiastic. and so i think the fine line that the president has to walk in his re-election effort is

that he needs to do things that get his base enthused, that gets democrats excited, not just to vote for him but donate money and all of those things while still being the candidate who appeals to a broad swoth of the public. >> so when it comes to the gop candidates in 2012, what is your assessment in terms of who might prove the toughest for the president? >> you know, there is a little bit of a mirror image issue with the democrats that they have to worry about in terms of the enthusiasm of the base. the first thing that what happened when mitt romney emerged as the front-runner, all of these political groups started anti-mitt romney groups. like freedom works, tea party protests and they have a lot of corporate money, very well-funded by big business, they said that they were going to organize an anti mitt romney effort that that they would stay

in the republican politics all the way through the primaries to ensure that mitt romney was the nominee. wow. >> okay. but once he is the nominee, what are they going to do? vote for barack obama? >> or is there going to be a third party challenge? had if mitt romney is the nominee, is there going to be a challenge? >> do you think sarah palin will get in? >> if romney is going to be the nominee and there are a lot of dissatisfied conservatives out there. >> so if she doesn't get in within the next few weeks in which she would officially have to launch herself, do you think she would come out of the left field, the spring, the summer? >> i think she's a predictable force and we have to watch and see what she does. >> and a baseball bat and basketball, do you play or what is going on? >> the iraqi national baseball

team, iraqi national baseball team was formed after the time that the u.s. invaded and they were trying to practice a national team and they had no uniforms and our show got them uniforms. we did a story on the air, all of these companies contacted us and we have this company, vadero contacted us, said we have the equipment. another company said, we'd give them the uniforms and shipping and another company that donated to get through customs. when all is said and done, they sent me the iraqi operation ways ball commemorative. that's the baseball bat. the basketball is because we once did a metaphor, talking about how passing -- i think it was passing things through the smat had become the and you have

to shoot ten feet further up that he is ridiculous. so we have a wnba player come in and shoot baskets on the high hoop and they sent us a game ball after that for thanks and this just gets kicked around when we're planning show segments and stuff. >> whatever works. you can catch "the rachel maddow show" every night here at 9:00 p.m. on msnbc. capital one's new cash rewards card gives you a 50 percent annual bonus. so you earn 50 percent more cash.

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the polls in the battle ground states show president obama heading the rivals and leading mitt romney by two points and rick perry by 3. in pennsylvania, perry trails the president by 6%. we're going to have more on that. we're looking at a fading front-runner. a gop spoiler alert. and president obama, is he the

number one terror fighting president? our victory talkers today. politics reporter, jackie kucinich and joy-ann reid and pat buchanan. thank you all for joining me. admitting that president obama could be the best president against terror? >> well, i think we've had two presidents in the war on terror and people are probably surprised at the extent to which candidly i think the american people have to be pleased with the success and decapitating and whacking out the leadership of al qaeda and not only pakistan and afghanistan but yemen.

he's been an effective president. >> i'm surprised that people are surprised. barack obama criticized mccain that he would not go into pakistan un laterally and then he said we need to dial back on iraq. he ran along the message that he ran. >> let's take a trip on the way-back machine. here is what was said about the president back in 2008, i think. >> what i do suggest is that he doesn't have the experience to handle terrorism. i call it a pre- 9/11 mentality that he wants to return to. >> whether he has the ability to protect america from osama and al qaeda from other threats in the world and he has given you no reason to answer in the affirmative. >> okay. jackie, have democrats seized control of the terror issue?

>> i don't know if these seized control of the terror issue. i think at the end of the day this is good for the president but this election is not going to be about national security at this point. it's going to be about the economy. so while this is a good -- it's a really good for the president and really good for the democrats, it -- i don't know that it's going to make a big difference. >> mitt romney is down at 19 and herman cain is at 17 and then gingrich at 11 and paul at 6% and huntsman at 4 and bachmann at 3. >> we will take, chris christie, sarah palin, are they going to get in? i think the up and comer is herman cain. he came in second in a florida poll, survey poll that showed him at 24%. >> after winning the straw poll?

>> after winning the straw poll. so i think he's going to be someone to think about as a vice presidential candidate. >> pat? >> i think there's no doubt about that. perry seems to be fading a bit. it looks to me like it's romney's to lose, alex. he's way ahead in new hampshire. if iowa is going to be held early in january and romney goes out and wins that, were he defeated by michele bachmann or someone, i think romney is going to be the nominee but there is a huge part of the republican party that does not want to go into what they fear is an arranged marriage and they have fought to resist it but have not settled on a single candidate to beat mitt romney. each candidate that they have brought in seems to get cut up and brought down. >> that's topic number three here. the spoiler alert. not in the traditional sense of the term. christie would be a real spoiler. once again, there are these

reports,reconsidering a bid. jackie, how would his candidacy reshape the field? >> i think he pulls from romney. when they're talking about -- conservatives talking about a conservative candidate, he's not the most conservative candidate. he's conservative, but he does things like global warming, immigration. there are some issues there that he is a little bit more, you know, center. so i think that -- i think he pulls from romney, i don't think he pulls from the other candidates. again, he would be -- i think pat's right. i think he would be very quickly and harshly vetted and i don't know that he would be standing like romney is right now. >> okay. our big three talkers are going to sit tight. coming up next, rating the week and one of the most exciting finishes ever to the major league baseball season. you name it. i've tried it. but nothing's helped me beat my back pain. then i tried this. it's salonpas. this is the relief i've been looking for. salonpas has 2 powerful pain fighting ingredients that work for up to 12 hours.

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it is time to rate the week and i'm back now with jackie,

joanne and pat buchanan. jackie, herman cain cutting it up on jay leno. his grade for the week is? >> i say he gets an "a" this week. he certainly -- he's really emerged as someone to watch, and so yeah, this week, good job, herman cain. >> joanne, you look at the gop field as a whole, who gets named? >> i would also have to give herman cain an a. the f has to go to rick perry. it's between him and michele bachmann, they're falling like a rock, and it's sort of sad a little bit, i don't think that perry was prepared. >> professor pat, who gets an a, who gets an f? >> i'm surprised to see that herman cain has joined the dean's list for the first time here. he had a great week new york question about it. a phenomenal week.

i think rick perry, i would give him an incomplete. there's no doubt that he's fading. i think he was unaware of the attacks coming and the effectiveness of them. i think he's still got a chance, but he's had a very rough week. >> how about romney, what would you grade him at? >> romney is right back there with the b plus and the a. he keeps coasting toward the nomination and the other part of the party is splitting in eight pieces. >> let's rate the week with baseball. boston's spectacular september collapse, capping off with that devastating loss on wednesday. and the rays pull off the come from behind win against the yankees. you can't make this stuff up. so bat, you ore a politics person, but you have to give it to baseball this week for the drama, don't you? >> it was startling, it was extraordinary and it was sad to see what happened to see what happened to the boston red sox. i see the manager is gone today.

the tampa rays were phenomenal with their comeback, and you've got to give them credit. >> i have wonder, what do you think about the baseball in terms of this week and the fact that baseball is considered this laborious, slow-moving game. they really brought it this week with drama. >> you know, they did. it's like the gop field. >> who's romney? >> all right. analogy there. >> they're bringing the drama now. took a while to get going. >> i was born in brooklyn. any time the bosox lose, it's a good week for me. >> that is a wrap, everyone. stay with us for the headline updates and breaking news as it happens. up next, we have "why planes crash." i'll look for you tomorrow morning at 10:00 a.m. eastern. we'll see you. [ shapiro ] at legalzoom, you can take care of virtually

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