your efforts down there. >> and cameron was down there. who are these people? they are serious. actually upset about what you're talking about. >> they are indeed. >> thank ou, martin. our show starts right now. >> well, good afternoon to you on a wednesday from mid-town. so nice to see you. i'm dylan ratigan. how are you? we begin today with the foundation that we, you and i built on our mad as hell get money out campaign. it started with a rant last summer, and now we have not only created an organization and launched a petition, but it has exploded. in the past week we set up a campaign right here on this show, and now more than 100,000 of you, more than 105,000 at last tally, have signed up to get money out, the 100,000 as we all know is a pittance, but it is the beginning of a massive wave that we can build into the conventions next year, and we will tell you how all of this is moving to the next phase later

on in the show, but one thing that i do know is the get money out campaign must be across the totality of the political spectrum. it's an american issue, not a political issue. it can't be left or right or even a center issue. this is an issue of principle that we all share together, and unless we together, all of us, get money out of our politics, the debate we all need and desperately want on jobs, health care, banking, energy, war, cannot and will never get past a green curtain of influence that gives us a government sold at as you. you've heard of the arab spring. well, my friends, behold the american autumn. thousands at this hour at wall street with major labor unions joining the march for the day.

in just a few minutes the unions will march from their foley square staging area to the park. there's massive walkouts across colleges, occupation is spreading, they day, montana, north carolina, southern california, and, of course, right here in new york and dozens of other campuses. a growing number of occupiers adopting get money out as their core objective to end the bought congress. we welcome them in that congress that agrees with us. congressman ron paul and presidential candidate is our first guest. you and i both know money has a toxfying effect on the nature of the debate. your thoughts on what you're witnessing around the country today. >> there's no doubt that you're on to something because the money is a big deal. i deal with it on a personal sense that money doesn't influence me and most people know that. i don't get the pac money and

the lobbyists don't come and bother me, but, boy, i think this is it. people are sick and tired of it. we have to look at the big picture, too, as well. you know, there's more money in the fed who buys out the special interests and we eventually have to deal with that, too. it is really sick, and we see a lot on the surface, but there's money in the underground as well. they put it under the table, and -- and who knows what is going on, but i think you touched on something when you talk about an auction. i think that is the right word. the government has so much to auction off there's an incentive. there's an incentive, too, so if they are passing out contracts and favoritism and there's a fed involved, too. no wonder people are upset. i find it interesting people put up with it for a long time and now everybody is starting to hurt and, i guess, maybe that's what you have to wait for is people to get hurt and realize there's something very bad going

on and we have to deal with it so hopefully we can accomplish it and get back to sensible government. i'm holding my breath and doing the best i can. >> you advised me. you and i did a recorded podcast, i don't know, a few month ago, and i asked you, congressman, said what are we going to do about this, about the way the wind is blowing? you said somebody's got to change the air. and it looks like the air is changing. >> boy, there's no doubt about it. these demonstrations -- this is something that you and i have talked about before. now i've written about this, too, and talked about it in my speeches. that i expected this to come because i thought the country would eventually go broke, and we are at that point, and -- and then the pie is shrinking, and then those people who want to influence government and make demands, they get louder and louder, so it is a major problem, and -- and as important as it is to deal with the political ramifications, but it's also the economics, and, you know, if everybody had a job, nobody would be worrying about this, but because people have lost their jobs and lost

their homes and see people still getting these benefits this remains a major problem for us. >> the philosophy you espouse, the federal reserve at its center point invents capital and invents money and as a result of its ability to invent money it disrupts the flow of money and disrupts a litany of things on a multi-trillion dollar level. if you follow that progression, if the fed creates and controls money and then money is the vehicle by which our government is auctioned off, what are your thoughts on using a movement like the one that we're talking about which is to advocate a constitutional amendment to intervene at that intersection between money and government? i know there's a philosophy of smaller government. my anxiety about that without ending the auction is it's fewer people to buy so it might actually be easier. >> yeah. if you don't remove the incentive they are always going to be buying. i don't know enough to

understand exactly how your amendment would affect the federal reserve, but you can't ignore that because that's where, you know, very wealthy individuals get the bailouts. this is not only domestic. we're preparing to bail out europe as well. i'm amazed that the dollar holds up like it does. >> the brilliance of the reserve currenty. >> yeah, but even that, there are limits to it, but -- and as we have talked before, this thing is much big than i think the world has every experienced before because this has been going on for 40 years essentially and the bubble is very big and the dollars overseas, probably $7 trillion, $8 trillion overseas and how -- how they and where they go is a big issue. but i do know that it's coming to an end. we're in transition. we need to reform. we need to show how money is the big deal and how it influences and get this auction turned off because we have too much to lose

if we don't do something. >> it's insane. i would -- i would be grateful if you would consider reviewing the amendment at some point and coming back and offering us your thoughts, maybe an endorsement or an indictment, depending on your thoughts. i want to give you obviously the time to give it some consideration. >> i'll look tat carefully. >> ron paul, thank you, sir. again, in announcing our draft of a constitutional amendment last week, you may remember, we had two washington political pros with us. one, our own jimmy williams from the lobbying side and mark mckinnon, co-founder of no labels. gentlemen, it is a delight to welcome you back. i am proud to present to you on behalf of our entire community, after just one week, 100,000. i believe it was 105,000, maybe 106,000 signatures and counting. we are pushing for what we call asymmetrical growth. each person tells another person and we're hoping we can actually watch this number in ten clicks work well into the millions.

mark, are you surprised by the immediacy of the response? i feel like a guy who stuck a knife in an oil well and it blew up in my face this past week. >> i'm not surprised, and i'm excited to see it, dylan. people are mad as hell, and they are not going to take it anymore. i weapons of mass destruction "the network" movie with the great hour beal's speech and was struck how it relates today. when citizens united, the supreme court decision came down, it basically said -- the decision basically said that corporations and unions don't have enough power. they don't have enough influence and they don't have enough money so they let them have unlimited powers on all those fronts, and that has finally thrown a big rock in the pond. the ripples have spread out and poem are finally getting it. i did a little research and was shocked to discover the thing that's really problem make the are the huge super committees, super pacs where there's very little disclosure or any and unlimited money can be raised.

there's 149 super pacs out there, and just one of them is raising $240 million. so these super pacs are absolutely dwarfing the actual campaigns of the candidates. it's not really a campaign anymore between candidates. it's a campaign between special interests. >> at the end of the day, why -- i mean, it's so apparent. why is it that this auction process for our policy-makers, how did it get to this point? we always talk about the supreme court but you've been in the offices of so many senators and you've made the point, good people, a lot of them, well-intended people, righteous people, people that want to help, how do they find themselves in the middle of this auction? >> i mean, when you go to a foreign country, you speak the foreign language and learn the language. you go to washington, d.c., you learn how to raise money. you learn how to listen to what people tell you. you just believe what they tell you. and -- and the difference is if you are a smart member of congress or a senator, you

listen to all sides. you try not to take anybody's money. you try to take your constituents money and then you go and run your campaign and go and vote and, unfortunately, they can't do that anymore. they are inundated from people throwing money at them left and right and anybody that tells you there's not a quid pro quo implicit or explicit they are lying to you. there's no way to get around it. >> how do you reconcile the characterization of the american autumn as organic and understandable but unfocused at a time when it austin powers they are very focused on what mark, you, myself, congressman paul and many others are talking about right now? >> i read our friend jonathan capehart, he wrote an editorial in yesterday's "washington post" about this and said you've got to have a cause, got to have sort of delineated ideas, and i don't disagree with him on that, but these people down at the park, the tea party movement,

it's not a party, it's not a political party, it's a movement. it has been a movement. by the way, 1992, ross perot's people, they were pissed off. america as a whole is pretty damnpissed off right now, and they have absolutely no way of channeling this and funneling this except through avenues like this so we're seeing it. >> do you see a movement like this, mark, as a good -- as a valid positive harness for the rage. >> absolutely, and we're seeing it on a lot of fronts, dylan. you know, consumer confidence has dropped to the fourth lowest it's been since 1952, and that's a result not of the policies but the politics people see in washington. it's not even the outcome people are so upset about. it's the way that -- that our political establishment has become hostage to the politics and the politics has become hostage to the money and the

money and influence that pervades washington so i think that there's something really dramatic going on. as jimmy said, there's shades of 1992 here except it's much deeper, and much broader and much angrier than it was in 1992 and we saw what happened then. i think this is -- it's a troubled time but i think it's a time also where people are really opening their eyes and really asking the big questions why are we where we are and how did we get here and started to realize how pervasive the money is behind everything and unless beattack that, that's the root problem and cause and until we address, that we're not going to get to all the other problems. >> mark said something very interesting. i think in 1992, and i moved to washington in june of 1992, i wanted to be involved, right, and what i remember distinctly was ross perot playing on people's fear. it was, the giant sucking sound, et cetera, et cetera, your job is going to go. >> politics 101. >> by the way, the economy in 1992 was in far better shape

than it was in now and certainly in far better shape than in 2008 and 2009. now it's a reversal on this. now the folks that are so upset and pissed off, politicians will have to play off their anger, it's a complete reversal. politicians don't proact, politicians react, and there is absolutely no way in hell that they will not have to react to what's happening. >> it will be interesting to see because the fear is easily resolved frequently with playcations based on handing out resources in the short term. >> you've been down there. these people don't want to be placated. they want reform. >> they actually want to see resolution. >> yes. >> mark. thank you so much for rejoining us and really for helping us, not only present this, but understanding it and communicate it. we really appreciate it. >> yeah. keep kicking, it dylan. appreciate what you're doing. >> thank you, mark, and jimmy, of course, not going anywhere. coming up here on "the d.r. show," the occupy movement

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who are they blaming for where we are now? >> they are blaming a combination of large wealthy private interests and our government, and the fact that we have gotten ourselves into what is really an auction-based democracy. >> and that was tamron hall and i inside the wall street protests down at occupy wall street this afternoon. thousands, as we told you earlier, prepared to march to zhu ucati square in the heart of the financial district, after a huge injection of support from union members by the day and while the occupy protests are spreading out across the country, what i've found with my own time with the protesters that i've had a chance to speak with in person and direct online engagement is their message is really unified that they want to end the auction nature of the american democracy that is preventing the debate we all deserve from jobs to war, to

housing, and joining us now in our mega panel, liberal commentator and msnbc contributor imogen lloyd-weber, editor for "washington post" jonathan capehart and rob cox, interesting to see you all again. rob, you have a very interesting piece which you've published on breaking views that the actual profitability for the banks, because their business really suffered the same as everybody else has, technology made it harder to make money, wall street is actually declining in revenue right now. >> the irony of this movement happening right downtown, that's what we're calling it right now, the z party. >> i like it. >> you heard it here first. >> wall street is actually getting clobbered, and it is for a whole bunch of reasons. the markets, of course, are terrible. the spreads have come in. it's a terrible time. >> technology has changed our business. >> and regulation. can you not -- you cannot do what you used to be able to do. >> you can't lever up. >> for every dollar that i

actually put in, i get to amplify it 30 times. not happening anymore. regulation is taking a very severe toll. can you no longer use your own capital in the same way that you could before, the so-called volcker rule and we're going to see it in you are seeing an effort by the people here to -- to bill bridges to a lot of the disenfranchised in london, in madrid, et cetera, et cetera. i mean, the fundamental issues seem to be pretty much the same. >> i think there is that, and

also the criticism of the movement it's very ideologically vague and that's why there's a marriage made in heaven, get money out. harnessing that. >> organization of principle, not an organization of ideas effectively. >> but to have an effect, obviously got to put something something more coherent. this is going to be the tea party i don't know, whatever. whatever you call it. >> the z party. that at the moment is how it's being attacked. >> that may be the advantage of get money out which gives them that vehicle. >> exactly. >> your perspective on what rob was offering up the decline in profitability in the banks at a time when the protests break out. >> you know, looks like the banks, and congratulations, rob, on your book, it looks like the banks are, you know, falling victim to their -- to their own game, the idea that bank of america is going to post its first loss since the collapse in 2008, i think a lot of people would say great, good

retribution, but when the people out there in cati park. >> do you mean the z partiers. >> i'm sorry, the z party, they don't really care that poor bank of america is going to show a loss. i think what they care about are the record profits that corporations around the country and around the world are pulling down, the record bonuses that -- that folks on wall street have received and how the broadening income gap, you know, is just wreaking havoc on them. you've got people down there are graduating and who are burdened by college loans and can't get jobs, and the american dream has just been pulled out from under them, and there's really no -- there's no -- no resolution here, and so i think what we're seeing finally is, you know, the masses, folks who are just pissed off and tired of being crushed by wall street or

government and whomever and want to have their voices heard. >> what you're doing is quite interesting. there's this dissatisfaction. i mean, i remember when i was in college, and you talk about this is all going to hit college campuses. >> walkouts were today everywhere. >> but i remember we protested apartheid, and so, you know, in south africa, so we wanted our university to stop vesting in any company that did business in south africa. this is much broader, but i think to really succeed it's going to need a manifesto with some very, very simple arguments, one of which is get rid of the money, get the money out. >> exact ly. >> shame fat cats. you've got to do -- >> i look at myself, and -- and rob and jonathan have known me for a long time. imogen is a more recent acquaintance, probably to your betterment, i might add, but in a sense having left cnbc in the

middle of the financial crisis and come here expecting that the tea party was going to do this. i really thought that the tea party's point was to take on the banks, and then they didn't do it and obama didn't do it and so at this point i view myself as basically a tea partier, occupier, z partier, anchor man and i've had a hard time with it myself. anger and frustration that i've not been able to deal with and that came to a head this past summer, lost my temper and ultimately led to oh, we need -- the only way to do this is with a constitutional amendment. i know it's like climbing mt. evrest but guess what. >> but i -- you're right. if the people ask for it, if enough people ask for it. >> i've got to go. >> nobody is leaving. >> next, even some corporate execs get what we're talking about, don't fool yourself. everybody understands at least some, if not all of this conversation. and our specialist is leading his crusade to right the wrong

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we all know. the 2012 election will be the most expensive in the history of our political system. think of it like, i don't know, a picasso art auction across the street at christie's with the best collection ever, which is why all of us must work together obviously to deal with that issue. between the ever growing arms race that is the auction nature of the process and the citizens united ruling which unleashes untold capital to bid in those auctions, projections now range as high as $6 billion in necessary funds to win the presidential race. >> that's what will be spent and combined in the presidential race. that's before you even get to the balance of the elections, 94% of which are decided by who raises the most money.

our next guest points out that the pay to play system pumped half a billion dollars in untraceable money into the 2010 elections. he is now leading a group of corporate executives. he does not look like a z partier, so to speak, but might well be. dedicated to restoring transparency and integrity. cleaning up the toxic impact of money in politics. here with us now is charles cobb, the president for the committee for economic development, which boasts a list of heavy hitters on its money and politics subcommittee, including presidents from nyu and washington and lee, chairman of adp and the stern group, just to name a few. how is it that a man who looks like you could have so much agreement in principle anyway with the people across this country? >> particularly downtown. >> we got into the issue of money and politics, almost 15 years at the committee for economic development, and we were concerned as business leaders that the way money was coming in back then, soft money,

unlimited months as corporate treasuries were coming in. frankly it was giving the business community a bad reputation, and we said in 1999, our very first report, we as business leaders want to compete in the marketplace and not in the political arena, and what you have right now in washington is rent-seeking. that's what's going on. >> what's going on? >> what ron paul called auctioning. >> okay. >> it's people who don't want to compete in the marketplace. they think they can get a favor in the tax code. >> at the political auction. >> through pac money or in the old days through soft money or now after citizens united, there's the possibility of money from a corporate treasury going into the super pacs and let me say something very clear. our message at ced is to ceos and public companies, don't do that. you don't need to do it. if you do, disclose. i would say any ceo from a company that does that ought to be fired. they ought to be fired because companies should stick to what

they do best. >> goods and services, providing jobs. >> fortunately i think most companies are smart enough, their boards are smart, they are not going to get into it. the money i suspect is going to come from these. >> obama in his first day in office signed quite a controversial executive order, and he was saying that lobbyists couldn't give gifts anymore to political appointees. i'm just wondering what do you think happened to that obama and suddenly he's supposed to have this $1 billion campaign next year? how did that happen? >> i'm a little concerned. the slippage started before he became president because you remember during the campaign he actually said that he would participate in the presidential funding system, and then ultimately he became the first candidate in history not to do that. and then said, well, when i get into office, i will fix the -- the presidential system. that hasn't happened, and i don't think -- it's not meant to be a partisan comment, but we haven't had any serious action from the white house to fix it, and now we're in the midst of an arms race post-citizens united.

>> i'm just trying to think about companies. i mean, they are basically, run for shareholders by director who have a fiduciary obligation to those shareholders. voluntarily taking themselves out of the game that their competitors are involved in, just -- >> could be -- >> i'm just saying the whole notion of saying to them that you should be fired, fire the ceo if they engage in this -- >> i'm talking about pac money. >> pac money is legal. i'm talking about the money that would go to the super pacs which could come in unlimited amounts. >> how do they know their competitors aren't doing it in. >> not so sure. one of the things that citizens united did i which hasn't been focused on enough, it's brought together issues of money and politics and corporate governance. that is what you're seeing now in zucati park. you can understand where the momentum is coming from. it started out, dylan, with the tea party, and people are looking at excessive

compensation levels. they are looking at payouts for people who screwed up their companies and that's not how most americans, you know, live their lives. it's not american and fortunately at the committee for economic development. we've had which is leaders, ceos and others who are very concerned about this issue and, you know, we've -- they have had the courage of their conviction, people like ed kangas, former head of deloitte touch and landon roland, former head of kansas city southern railroad and the janus group, people active on the money politics issue and one other point that gets lost is citizens united now enables unlimited contributions going into state judicial campaigns, okay? it's one thing for the money to go into federal campaigns, but -- >> you hear though money going to state judicial campaigns, and you start to think about auctioning judges. >> well, we did our first report on this some years ago and called it justice for hire, and what you have now in

approximately 40 states where judges can run for election or re-election, they can raise money from the interests that can appear before them. it is absolutely -- >> you're making it up. >> it's actually worse i think in the federal campaign system. >> don't tell them down in zucati square. >> just for the report, the committee for economic development, for 69 years, has been a nonpartisan, nonideological voice of business. we have republicans. we have democrats. i served in two republican administrations, reagan and h.w. bush. people on our board who served on the clinton administration, carter administration. we're one of the rare places in washington where there's a business voice that can come together on health care, on the defic deficit, on money in politics, corporate governance and we hope to make a difference. >> let's be honest. unless the money is actually dealt with, your best efforts, my best efforts, the best efforts of everybody here are a knife at a gun fight when you're dealing with super pacs.

>> you've got an idea for a constitutional amendment and i'm a recovering lawyer, and i know the constitutional amendments are few and far between. of course, the first issue you have with a conditions tuesdayal amendment it's got to pass the congress. >> you can take it to the state legislature. >> yes, can you. >> my theory we get 100 million of us all sending the same amendment on the same day with the same e-mail and we'll see what happens. that's about all we can worry b.charles, a pleasure. >> thank you very much. >> thanks for your efforts and for your time. rob, congrats on the book. love that. imogen, you've got a copy of rob's book. we'll both do our homework. jonathan, see you for the rant a little bit later. coming up here, how do you like dem apples? the big letdown tuesday that left iphone users sour. they are not just angry in zucati park. [ male announcer ] go beyond the brush

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intent on finishing the enemy. your conscience should be clear and your honor should be clean. >> one scene from a powerful and emotional new award-winning doks documentary in theaters today. it's about a u.s. marine's journey back home, this following a serious injury in afghanistan in 2009. sergeant nathan harris is one of the over 25,000 soldiers injured while serving in america's longest war. one that continues to this day, i might add. this as a new poll reveals today only one-third of u.s. veterans, one out of three, say the war in afghanistan and iraq was worth fighting in the first place. with us now, "hell and back again" film director who says he wants his film to jolt people's

consciousness. hi. >> hi, thanks for having me. >> what information do you bear? >> i can understand that frustration. i've been working in afghanistan since 2006 as a federal journalist and even though i was being published quite widely i didn't feel like they were having any impact. i felt society had become numb to images of war, and i wanted to shake them from their indifference, and in 2009 i was embedded with echo company, second marine division during the largest helicopter assault since vietnam. 4,000 marines were being dropped behind enemy lines, and i was embedded with this unit during this offensive. and how is it that we could be in a war, the longest war in america's history where we have information like this where two-thirds of the soldiers are on the front lines when they come back where they say that war or those wars were not worth fighting and yet our political apparatus is asleep at the switch and for that matter much

of the american population? >> it's a extremely difficult situation. the fighting now is heavier than it ever has been, and in july of 2009 during this operation shortly after we landed, we were vaughned and attacked on all sides, and the fighting really focused around this pile of rubble which later became known as machine gun hill. after one day one marine had been killed and a dozen had collapsed from heat exhaustion, and almost all of us had run out of water and that's when sergeant harris passed me his bottle of water and i first met him and followed his platoon as they pushed further into this insurgent stronghold. yes, the fighting now is extremely heavy. >> do the soldiers explain why they -- the poll data is what it was, why they feel those wars were not worth fighting? >> many of the marines i spent time with, they feel like they are fighting for their brothers. they are fighting to stay alive and they are fighting to come home, but when they come home this entirely new struggle appears, trying to transition

from this world of life and death and blood and dust to one where it seems the countries of the shopping mall and that transition is almost more difficult than what happens on the battlefield. >> talk about that a little bit? >> when i was back in north carolina waiting for the marines to return, they were coming off the bus and rejoining with their family members. >> these are mem men that have you been with in afghanistan. i had been in bed with their unit, and i noticed sergeant harris wasn't there. i said where is he? they say he got hit two weeks ago. i called him up. he had been hit by a taliban machine gun round, in extreme pain, undergone multiple surgeries and nearly bled to death and invited me back to his hometown and he introduced me to his friends and family as this guy was over there with me, so instantly i was accepted into this very rural baptist community, essentially lived with him and his wife ashley as he recovered and tried to transition back into his

community. >> and what was -- what defined the -- the real struggle in that experience? >> i realized the experience of war isn't simply what happens on the battlefield. it's as much what happens when these men and women return home and also what the military families bear. ashley, his amazing wife, is always there caring for him, and she's caring this burden of the war as much as these that go off and fight. >> obviously historically transportation, communication wasn't what it was. after world war ii men would fight that war and it would take longer to go from the theater of war back to pedestrian civilian society. how much are these problems exacerbated by -- by the instantaneous nature of being in afghanistan, in a war zone, fighting for your life and literally within 24 hours or 36 hours or less in some cases back in this reality where the

apparatus from the government and our society is limited or nonexistent to acknowledge the damage that has been incurred by these men emotionally, mentally and create a space for them to see each other. i imagine the only people that can possibly relate to them is them. is there anything that we could do to create an apparatus where you create a little more cushion in that transition? >> absolutely right. it's extremely difficult coming home, especially so quickly. and they come back, and no one really understands what they have been through. they come back, and they are trying to reintegrate into normal life, but it almost seems so complex. you've got these bills and these relationships, and you've come from this world where they have had this sense of purpose and mission, and all of a sudden they are thrown back to one where everything seems mundane and trivial, and that can be really hard to reconcile. >> are there -- i imagine the

internet is probably some benefit but that's kind of an insult quite honestly to think about what these men have been through. tremendous respect for you, and admiration. congratulations on the filming and thank you for taking your creativity and your work to bring a message that's been beneficial to you and not to the people on whose behalf you are working. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> the film "hell and back again," danfung dennis, tell your friends about it. something we ought to be talking about more than we are. coming up on "hardball," chris matthews covering the occupy wall street movement that's sweeping our nation. but first our friend jonathan capehart on his take on the occupiers, "the daily rant" and a look at an amazing first week from our coalition seeking to get money out of politics. ♪

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well, time now for our daily want with msnbc contributor and "washington post" editorial writer jonathan capehart, a topic close to my heart, the issue of anger at the system and how to turn it into positive action. and before that jonathan begins a programming note. after the rant we'll tell you about all of our next steps in our campaign to get money out, but before we do that, jonathan, the floor is yours. >> thanks, dylan. the other day i was asked if there are any parallels between occupy wall street and the tea party movement. the short answer is yes, but if it doesn't do four things, broaden its base of support to include those who share its values and goals, two, get specific about what the goals are, three, bring the protests

to washington, and, four, get support from members of congress, it could squander its momentum. here's where the two movements are alike. both occupy wall street and the tea party are organic movements. they rose up from everyday people who got tired of being pushed around or ignored by powers they believe are beyond their control. both movement issues having one or a crew of recognized leaders who speak for everyone. so far it's worked for the tea party. for the nascent movement centered in lower manhattan still time to get its act together. occupy wall street is already doing the first and second things i propose, the massive demonstration this afternoon will feature unions marching in solidarity, and its declaration of the occupation of new york city details its beliefs and grievances, but they are still having trouble articulating specifically what they are fighting for beyond, fence, decrying that corporations, quote, have consistently outsourced labor and used that

outsourcing as leverage to cut workers' health care and pay. there's no clear articulation of a path for changing the policies that have engendered so much justified rage, so occupy wall street has to get specific and then it has to bring the anger that's been on display in lower manhattan since september 17th to the people in the building behind me here in washington. if the progressive younger more diverse protesters want to do more than get mad about the power of the 1% over the 99%, they ought to emulate some of the tactics that the conservative, older, whiter tea partiers. sure. it's probably a bit crazy to think that tea partiers and the occupy wall streeters might join forces, but as mark a tea partier from ohio wrote to me today, quote, both see corruption in high places -- corporations and government, and those two areas are so closely aligned that there isn't really much of a difference between criticizing the tyranny of

corrupt government and the tyranny of corrupt corporations. dylan, you ought to think about it. >> yeah. there's a lot to think about, indeed. thank you, jonathan. as i said at the top of the show, more than 100,000 of us have signed on to the get money out campaign. having nothing to do with any of these protests. it is a campaign that we started last week. that's the sound of the swells rising. can you hear that, jonathan? if the past week is any indication the waves have only just begun from our movement, and this is how we got to where we are in just one week. tuesday was the big unveil. we launched the proposed amendment with jimmy williams along with no labels' mark mckinnon. >> all money is speech out of the supreme court of the united states interpretation of the constitution so you either ban it or you don't. it's just that simple. >> you're going to see an eruption, a volcanic wave of support headed your way. >> and we did. >> within minutes, nearly 6,000

signed up after hearing jimmy and mark. within the first nine hours, 27,000 signatures. it exploded on the digital universe, "huffington post" and dr.com along with a wave of tweets, facebook postings and e-mails. we followed up on wednesday with just one of the endless examples of how money in politics is keeping washington from addressing our nation's biggest problems. >> nowhere is that barrier of money more apparent than in the american housing crisis. >> it kept getting big we are 35,000 joining the fight. that tidal wave grew with guest posts on dr.com from the national people's action and the public campaign, jimmy williams, joe costello. the growth continued thursday from mark ames with evidence that it's not only politicians for sale but ideas. >> this is worse than hypocrisy. hypocrisy is kind of a moral thing. this is actually a scam played out on the american people. >> we now stood with 59,000 get money out patriots in the fight.

right after the show, we launched our first thursday night fight when hundreds of you weighed in on twit we are ideas, concerns and suggestions to improve the amendment. friday, as wall street protests spontaneously exploded in chicago, san francisco, boston, seattle, senator bernie sanders joined us. he's been mad as hell for as long as i've known him. >> obviously you need real campaign finance reform. in my view that means public funding of elections. >> the weekend, we stood at 70,000 strong. i spent the weekend with the folks mad as hell at the occupy wall street protests. by sunday night, 80,000 of you signed on. monday brought early get money out supporter congresswoman donna everett to the show. >> important to get money out of politics, to clean up politics and us to own our elections once again. >> as you pledge your support, the focus moved to building a digital wave as we explained on dr.com. monday night,