rate is stuck at 9.1%. i'm joined now by john challenger. good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> what's your take on these numbers? >> well, they certainly are positive compared to what expectations were, those expectations were very low after last month's number, a net number of zero jobs were created, and yet we know it's going to take a long time, month after month of positive job creation to drive unemployment down, so they were good, but we know the government's losing jobs. that's a big head wind that even as the private sector creates jobs, it always brings the jobs numbers back down a bit. >> you mention the net zero last month, now they are saying they went from zero job growth to 57,000 jobs added. when you look at these numbers, and we see decent job growth in things like professional and business services, health care

and construction, but still more losses in government jobs, what does that tell you? >> well, it suggests, you know, that the economy, the private sector, you know, continues to move along. it's not that we're dead in the water, the economy, i think, looking at these numbers, you know, gave some hope that we're not in recession right now. certainly from a jobs standpoint, we're in more positive territory over the last few months than we thought when it felt like everybody got so negative about the economy, but we know we're in this period where the economy is struggling to pull out of the deep debt of governments that people, that businesses, all gathered during the recession and in its aftermath, and it looks like the real answer to our problems are it's going to be time and working through the issues and trying to alleviate some of the damages that happen to people during periods of time like

this. >> yeah, and i guess probably we can't sit around and hope that it repairs itself, but we see this intransigence in washington, we have seen all this back and forth and general acknowledgment that the jobs bill, at least as written, is not going anywhere. if something doesn't get done, if congress doesn't take action, is it likely to stay here or get worse? >> sure, i mean inaction, you know, is not the answer. whether you're focussed on how to get long-term improvement in businesses that allow them to generate demand and create jobs or whether you're focussed on alleviating the hardships that people go through, some of those steps have to be taken. i'm most concerned, there's a skills mismatch out there, a lot of companies saying we need certain kind of skills jobs, not for college graduates, but for others, and if we can put together businesses and community colleges, vocational

schools, to say what skills do you need and let's get those people trained, that will certainly help to move us in the right direction. >> john challenger, thank you so much. now i want to bring in earl hutchison. earl, good morning to you, and first i want to get your overall reaction to these numbers. >> good morning to you. well, not surprised. 9.1% three months, still stuck there. although one little ray of light. we did see in august that job figures were revised up from zero, can't get lower than that, to 57,000. so we're seeing some things. we're seeing really a little bit of movement, but on the other hand we're seeing the stagnation that's set in. we have to ask ourselves, how's this going to play out and impact both on the gop and president obama, because as we well know -- >> let me play for you what joe

biden had to say yesterday which raised some eyebrows. take a listen. >> is it strong enough as a republican party to beat this president? >> absolutely, absolutely. it's strong enough to beat both of us. a significant portion of the american people believe the country is not moving in the right direction. whether it's your fault or not your fault. >> did he mean to say that or do you think he's trying to down play expectations? >> i think he's trying to down play expectations, but it did the reverse, because what he's really saying is everybody knows it does come down to the economy, and no matter how we look at it, the american people, the voting public at the end of the day, they, in fact, are going to hold the white house, the man at the top, the president, president obama accountable. so when you're going into the heavy duty part of the political season and have 9.1% or worse unemployment then people are going to be asking questions,

what did you do, when did you do it, did you do enough, and these are the things joe biden and the president and administration have to be concerned about. >> does it seem to you he's not getting much support from the democrats? >> i think the main thing here is to try to really kind of spread some of the blame, in other words, the focus is on the democrats, obviously, because let's face it, that's the administration, but at the same time, joe biden is very concerned with all the polls showing right now, no matter which gop -- well, there's two, rick perry or mitt romney, they'd be competitive with president obama, and all roads lead back to the economy and jobs, and who gets the blame for it? i think democrats are concerned about that, and they should be. >> earl hutchison, always good to see you, thank you. >> thank you. >> do you feel you're getting nickel and dimed every time you

use your debit card? which banks are charging you and which are free coming up at 10:30. a shocking turn in missouri. kansas city authorities say the parents of the 10-month-old lisa irwin have stopped cooperating with the detectives. >> reporter: hours after yet another desperate plea for their daughter's safe return. >> please, bring her home. we need her. we are not a family without her. she's everything to us. >> reporter: this announcement from kansas city police. >> they've been cooperating, it's been very helpful. tonight they decided to stop talking to detectives, and i don't have to illustrate how that affects the investigation, it speaks for itself. >> reporter: police would not offer details but now say lisa's parents, jeremy and debra, are no longer working with investigators. >> they were maybe one of our best bets to help find this child, so yeah, our door's open,

and it doesn't help the investigation. >> reporter: but hours after the police announcement, jeremy's sister, baby lisa's aunt, spoke publicly on behalf of the family denying they are not cooperating. >> we have never stopped cooperating with the police, we've been cooperative since day one and continue to assist the police with the investigation. >> reporter: when we spoke to the couple thursday morning, they were still searching for answers. >> the only thing i can think of is maybe somebody wanted a baby, and she -- >> reporter: lisa's parents also revealed new details about what they say happened tuesday morning when jeremy says he returned from an overnight shift at 4:00 a.m. and first discovered his daughter missing. they say the front door was unlocked, a window open, and the lights in the house were on. the parents also say three cell phones were gone, as was their 10-month-old daughter.

>> it's like they just walked in and just disappeared. >> reporter: who would kidnap a baby? stranger break-ins and baby kidnappings are very rare. >> normally when you have a stranger abduction, the child is either taken out of the hospital as an infant so it can be passed off as the woman's own or it's violent. >> reporter: could a kidnapper have climbed into the house before walking down the hall, snatching baby lisa from her crib, and slipping out? or perhaps did an intruder enter through the home's front door? jeremy irwin says he found the door unlocked. investigators continue their frantic search thursday, lifting manhole covers and returning to this densely-wooded area to make sure they didn't miss any possible evidence. early thursday i asked lisa's parents the question that haunts missing child cases, whether they had any involvement in their baby's disappearance.

did you do anything with your daughter? >> god no. >> reporter: jeremy? >> no. just need her back. >> please, bring her home. >> and joining me now, former fbi profiler clint vanzan. we always talk under difficult circumstances what, do you make of this back and forth, police saying they are not cooperating, them saying they are fully cooperative. >> i think police are really challenged right now is part of it. the story, you know, as an investigator, you might say the story doesn't add up. these are really comets crossing in space. you have the one night that the husband appears to be gone for any extended period of time is the one night the baby disappeared. as you just showed, there's this path you have to take to get into this house to get to the baby's room, and i think law enforcement has simply been

unable to develop any other suspects, and i think they may feel they have some reason to question what the parents are saying. now, as we know, is this happens in every case. you always have to eliminate those closest to the victim before you can move out. well, in this kind of two-track investigation, one track looking at the parents, especially the mother, one track looking at the potential of an unknown offender. at this point they can't rule in or rule out either side, so i think law enforcement is being as aggressive as they can on both investigators, but if you're the parent and a child goes missing, you have to realize you're going to be potentially a person of interest until you can be eliminated or until law enforcement can identify who else may have actually done this. >> you know, the mom told the "today" show this morning she did take a lie detector test. let me play that for you, clint.

>> they say that i failed. i continue to say that's not possible, because i don't know where she's at, i did not do this. >> how much weight can you put on a lie detector test under these kind of circumstances? >> now, there's a lot of emotion going through the mother, and she may not have failed, she may have just shown inconclusive and that can be because you're under stress, so i think law enforcement is pushing the point if there's something there the mother has not told them, they want to know. i don't think they've zeroed in on anybody, chris. >> chris van zandt, great to see you. look at this, an entire town had to be evacuated. this is about 100 miles west of chicago. evacuees were taken to a nearby school, and witnesses say the glow from that fire could be seen for miles. no reports of injuries. [ female announcer ] when kate collects her pink yoplait lids

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it's getting personal in massachusetts. senator scott brown is being criticized for a low blow, one blogger calling it a boyden level faux pas, but it started with a jab from elizabeth warren. >> to help pay for law school education, scott brown posed for "cosmo," how did you pay for your college education? >> i kept my clothes on. >> well, now here's scott brown's response. >> have you officially responded to elizabeth warren's comment about how she didn't take her clothes off? [ laughter ] >> thank god. >> in the meantime, gabby giffords returned to washington again last night, attending the retirement ceremony for her husband. giffords is still in rehab but

strong enough to pin a cross on her husband's lapel. we're used to seeing shakira like this, her hips shaking and her singing, but she's been appointed by president obama to serve on his advisory committee to improve education in the hispanic community. a former commander of u.s. troops in afghanistan, general stanley mcchrystal, is saying we began the war with a frightingly simplistic view ten years ago today. >> on my orders, the united states military has begun strikes against al qaeda terrorist training camps and military installations on the taliban regime in afghanistan. these carefully-targeted actions are designed to disrupt afghanistan. >> that marked the start of the longest war in u.s. history. 1,790 u.s. troops have been

killed there. where are we a decade later and what should happen moving forward? joining me now is congressman adam smith and sebastian junger. thanks to both of you for being with us. congressman, let me start with you, because obviously the country is in a different place than 2001. after spending $338 billion on this war alone, americans are asking can we afford it, where do you think we are right now? >> i think the focus always needs to be on our national security interest. when we started the war in afghanistan, it was in direct response to 9/11. this is where the plotters were, and we went in there to make sure they could not carry out further attacks. the issue was once they were driven out, how do we make sure they don't come back, have a stable government in afghanistan, not just in afghanistan, but pakistan as

well. >> that's one of the places where a lot of people see the problem is the stability of the government, and obviously the corruption there. we spent what, $57 billion on rebuilding, and by everybody's accounts, we're not sure where a lot of that money has gone. >> right, which where i was going, which is to say at this point we need to shift to a containment strategy, the idea a massive presence can create, you know, the perfect government in afghanistan is not going to happen. now, i do think progress has been made, particularly in the south in kandahar provinces where the taliban have been cleaned out and the people have been given a chance, but it's time for us to begin to draw down and have them run their own government, because our presence, as well, fuels the insurgency. so it's a double-edged sword and it's time to draw down even more rapid than the president

proposed. >> 98,000 troops on the ground, that's the most we had. we're scheduled it draw down about 30,000 by the summer. can those troops at least hold the gains that we've made, where are we, do you think, in the execution of this war? >> well, the reports i've heard is -- are that the attacks by the taliban, successful attacks, are way, way down. i think that's probably because of the surge. as a result, there are other kinds of attacks against soft targets, embassies, against civilians, assassinations. you can see that as a symptom of the taliban having more trouble on the actual battlefield. >> if they do, if the taliban is having more trouble, how do we keep it that way? i know we've been moving a lot of troops around, but when you talk to -- and some recent polls have been done because of the tenth anniversary, you talk to both people in the war, who enlisted after 9/11, and you talk to the general american people. only about 50% think this war

has been a success. >> i mean, that's interesting. i mean, without a true presence in afghanistan, almost certainly we could not have killed osama bin laden. you can't fly s.e.a.l. team six from virginia to do that job, you need forward operating bases, so by that measure it was a success. in terms of stabilizing afghanistan, you have to remember where afghanistan started in the 1990s, it was really a blood bath, and very, very chaotic. education is up seven-fold. a third of the students are girls, it's one of the fastest-growing economies in that part of the world. there are real gains. the risk of pulling out too quickly, of course, is it will back slide into the 1990s which would be dangerous for us and the afghans. >> just about a year ago, congressman, i was talking to a lot of women's rights groups

leaders who said to me, please go back to your country and tell people we are making progress, they get a sense nothing was bought for the money we put in there, but how do we balance the reality we only have so much money and clearly we're not going to stay there forever, with not wanting to give up the gains that have been made. >> the short answer, it's extraordinarily difficult. i agree with your guest and the woman in afghanistan. progress has been made in afghanistan. on the other hand, as was said, you know, it was starting from a very, very low point. 20-some odd years of war and a literacy rate of 20%. but the bottom line is our troops cannot stay there forever, not just because of the cost to us as a country, though that's a factor, because at the end of the day, a foreign troop presence cannot make a government. the afghan people have to claim their government, take

responsibility for their own security, and we're making that transition. we have dramatically increased the afghan national security forces, so they are in a position to do it, but there are no guarantees. we could stay there for 20 years and people would be saying if we left there would be risks, there's always going to be risks, but you got to begin to make the transition. that's what we're doing. last, don't underestimate what our troops have done over there. i think dramatically improved our national security and they are to be praised for that. >> do you think, sebastian, because you spent so many months over there, and your partner this this documentary, which i highly recommend to people. tim heaththerington is no longe with us, but do you think, and i know you keep in touch with some of these guys, do you think they've accomplished something, because how horrible they'd be

if many of them, two deployments, three deployments, and nothing has been accomplished in ten years. >> it's complicated. the guys signed up feel proud of that job regardless of what happens in afghanistan 20 years from now. they don't really analyze it in that way, at least when i was there they weren't. >> sebastian junger, thank you so much for coming in. congressman adam smith, good to see you as well. soon, business boomed and the company was named the sba's 2011 small business of the year. for more watch "your business" sunday morning on msnbc.

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gains on wall street, stocks are higher this morning on the jobs report. brian, how's it looking? >> it's looking good, chris, listen, i'm not going to say this is some great rainbow, but the reality is that we have 103,000 jobs last month, private sector payrolls increased, we saw a bit of a jump in construction employment, which was nice to see, so better than most expectations, not terrific, still better than what we've seen lately. and the august number, chris, you might remember, came in at a goose egg, no jobs added in august. that was revised up to 57,000. so better than expected jobs number is helping stocks on this friday. meantime, orders on iphone 4-s, bumpy start? >> problems online, people trying to go through the sprint website, because it's now going to be available on sprint.

along with tweets to the phone, we're experiencing reports of delays, maybe they were not getting orders in. the problem is apple is so tight-lipped, we're not going to know how many people are ordering the 4-s and it's not an iphone 5, still, you'll have to wait and see. kindle fire from amazon, numbers were leaked out of amazon, and those numbers look spectacular, in fact, a couple thousand orders per day for this ipad challenger, and if that pace keeps up, we could see 2.5 to 3 kindle tablets sold in the first month, so it looks like after a couple of sort of not so much wins for other companies, we might finally have a true ipad competitor, courtesy of amazon. >> oh, boy. brian, thank you so much. >> sure. big banks that got billions

to stay afloat are in the cross hairs again about new and rising fees on debit cards and checking accounts. in fact, even the vice president took aim, this time at bank of america. >> the middle class folks, these guys with their debit cards are on their back and we're going to charge $5 more to use a debit card? at a minimum, they are incredibly tone deaf, at a minimum, and at a maximum they are not paying their fair share. >> we want to know who's charging, who's not. richard lui is here with the answers. >> some are calling this price fixing, but there are quite a few options to bank of america's $5 month lly charge for debit cd use. that includes bank of america, wells fargo, jpmorgan chase and suntrust so far.

there are banks like citi, schwab, ing direct, they do not charge at this moment. other options, over 7,200 credit unions, there are also community banks, 23,000 locations nationwide, going local here. many are not affected by the new rules, large banks say pushed them to have new debit card fees, but the larger barnks are saying it's about staying in business. >> we're losing revenue, unfortunately it's the consumer that's going to hurt. >> now, they have that right, but it's not a good practice. it's not necessarily fair to consumers. >> the president speaking on that as well. it is a sign of the times, unfortunately, free checking is

a dying breed. two years ago, three out of four banks offer free checking, now it's less than half. according to one study, non-interest sparing account fees and minimum balance requirements have already almost doubled since last year. you'll start to notice debit card perks and discounts go away, higher bank fees and interest might go down further. and, of course, credit cards remain an alternative for you, and chris, dare we say it, cash. >> what's that? how could you see someone paying with cash anymore, almost never. well, we have links to tell you where you can find credit unions and smaller banks if you want to avoid small fees. go to facebook.com/janningco. the cost of a 30-year mortgage has fallen below 4% for the first time ever. you could be looking at the perfect time to refinance.

joining me now, barry habeeb. thanks for coming in. who should think about refinancing? >> anybody who can qualify for a loan, anybody who's got a loan. it depends exactly where you are, but if it's above 5%, you should be thinking about it. there's a formula you can look at. if you take $125,000, divide your loan amount into it. if you can reduce by that percent, you'll be able to refinance. $125,000, one is your answer, 1% is the difference you need to refinance. >> you can go online and figure this out quickly. >> $50,000, you need more, but $250,000, $500,000, it pays to refinance. >> we can look and see, we have a chart, because rates have been on the decline for awhile now. same formula, even if you've refinanced recently, it might be worth looking at. >> absolutely, just be careful in new york or florida where

closing costs could be more expensive, so you'll need a bit of a bigger gap in those, but yes, certainly think about refinancing. >> if you've lost value on your home, is the reality it could be tough to refinance, even if you think you have good credit? >> the biggest problem is equity levels in homes. you see operation twist come into play here, and i don't know if the f.e.d. gets it when they say we have to bring rates down further. i don't think the problem is the rates aren't low enough, the problem is a lot of folks get frustrated when they see low rates but can't take advantage of them because they don't have the equity to do so. that's the problem, dip into savings, stock holdings? >> there's a lot of debate going on, i've read a lot of articles about suggesting we used to say it was your dream, by a house, and when you retired, that was sort of your nest egg. now people are questioning whether renting isn't smarter,

how do you figure that out? >> here's the thing, in a lot of markets you've seen the cost of owning the home is actually cheaper than if you were to rent it, so it's gotten kind of out of whack. a few years ago it was so much more expensive to buy a home than rent, today it really pays to think about purchasing a home over the long-term. six months from now, a year from now, could values decline, it's possible, but right now the ability to get a good price, over the long run, you'll probably do very well. for most people, census bureau says 13 years. >> barry habib, good to see you, thanks for coming in. proper manners can be tricky, for example, when is it okay to unfriend someone on facebook, or do i have to buy a gift if i'm invited to a destination wedding? those dilemmas and more are answered in a new book.

joining me is one of the authors, anna post, who is the great, great granddaughter of emily post. anna, or should i say ms. post, would that be proper, thank you for joining us. how different are manners now since your great, great grandma started looking at them? >> manners change with time. a few years ago we didn't have to deal with twitter questions, about unfriending people on facebook. she didn't have to deal with that, but the basic idea you want to treat people with consideration and respect, that would be very familiar to her. >> quickly through the conundrums, first, when is it okay to unfriend someone from facebook? >> this is your page. this is your image, this is your responsibility to keep that up in a way that's comfortable for you, so you can define it as you like. if someone posts something you don't like, tags you in a photo

you don't like, go ahead and click unfriend. >> next, destination weddings, they are more and more popular. if i'm going to spend all that money to fly somewhere, get a hotel, do i have to buy a gift? >> you should still purchase a gift. however, and this goes for any gift, choice of gift is always up to you. think about your budget, which in this case will probably be smaller after the plane ticket and what the couple means to you, so we could be talking a much smaller gift here. >> a business client is sick with a cold, do i have to shake his hand? >> no. in fact -- well, i would recommend shaking the hand and then going to wash up. now, in general, if we are sick we probably should not be out and around where we could get other people sick, but wash up afterwards, use hand sanitizer, if you're sick, say it's a pleasure to meet you, i can't shake hands.

>> here's the number one pet peeve of a lot of people. you're at dinner, you're having a conversation, and somebody's got, you know, the click, click, click either on their phone, on their blackberry, on their iphone, and often the i'm sorry, i had to do this, it's work, it's work. is that really okay? >> sure. we all have to balance a work/life thing today, i have to do it myself, but when you are giving your time to other people face-to-face, put it away, focus on them. if there's something really important, then step away to do it so you're not breaking up the nice, fun vibe for everyone else. >> anna post, it's a fun book and interesting stuff. thank you so much. appreciate you taking the time. >> thanks for having me on. right now at a theater near you, george clooney, need i say more? clooney directs and stars in "the ides of march."

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least likely. hi, everybody, good morning, i'm thomas roberts. in the next hour of msnbc, the politics of the september jobs report, they are better than economists expected, so why is the unemployment number stuck at 9.1%? vice president biden agreeing with the president they are the underdog ticket with a lot of work today. and chris hayes will be here to preview his show this weekend and what does he have to say about the success of the occupy wall street protestors? we'll have that and much more in the next hour. herman cain pushed to do explaining about controversial comments he made. he back tracked saying the unemployed and the poor have only themselves to blame. >> you've said that if you're unemployed and if you're poor, blame yourself. would you like to retract that now? >> my comment was directed at the people who were choosing to

demonstrate against those on wall street rather than demonstrate against a white house, which is responsible for any effective policy that will impact this economy. that's where they ought to be demonstrating, and that's where my comment was directed. not at the people unemployed for no reason of their own. >> congressman michael grimm, lots to get to. it's good to see you. what do you think of the occupy wall street protestors? >> well, i got a lot of calls, i know a lot of people who work in downtown manhattan, and they were saying a lot of people didn't know why they were down there, a lot of people were talking about education, some people looked like throwbacks from the '60s, some saying they just wanted to cause mayhem, so it's unfortunate, because that's detracting from the people legitimately looking for jobs, and we should be focussed on what is the issue. >> but do you understand what's behind it -- today there's going

to be protests, i think, in seattle, minneapolis, san francisco, i'm forgetting the exact cities, but it's growing all across the country. is it a sign of discontent, and one of the things we're hearing is they don't blame the president, they blame you guys, all of you guys in congress, is that fair? >> of course, it's fair. i think everyone at this point is completely frustrated, and they are frustrated because we are stuck at 9.1% unemployment and no one knows why. i think it's because there's a disconnect coming out of the administration overall, and you have to understand republicans have pushed forward ideas but have stalled because they can't get past the senate. >> and the administration has put forth the jobs bill and it's stalled. >> no, no, no, that's not true. harry reid stopped it in the senate. so if the president, who's the leader of the democratic party, can't get the democratic party to back this bill, you want to talk about the house, there is not one democratic co-sponsor on the bill, so again if you really

want to protest and say this jobs bill is going to do what it's supposed to do, why doesn't harry reid or nancy pelosi pass the bill? >> the president says he's going out of his way to work with republicans, and let me play just a little bit of what he said yesterday at his news conference. >> the american people are very frustrated. they've been frustrated for a long time. they don't get a sense that folks in this town are looking out for their interests. >> i think you've pretty much agreed to that, that americans are frustrated with congress. let's take one specific thing that the democrats do seem to agree on, and that is taxing a surcharge on people who make $1 million or more. would you support that? >> i think right now higher taxes don't make sense for anything, but let's analyze why they want to raise taxes. we had a tremendous amount of

stimulus spending, we had a massive overhaul for the health care law, and now the administration realizes there needs to be a way to pay for it, and they want to tax not just millionaires, but across the board. while you increase taxes and regulations, all you're doing is stifling the economy, you're constricting the economy, that doesn't make sense by any economists' measure whatsoever. what we need to be doing is looking for real solutions to the problem. the problem is not the government needs to create jobs directly, we have an unfriendly environment. we need to create certainty in the business environment and make it a friendly business environment so the economy can go. as a by-product, you'll have jobs, but you can't create jobs without that. that's not the way it works. >> congressman michael grimm, thank you for coming in. >> thank you. the new york yankees will be trading in their bats for golf clubs after dropping game five to the detroit tigers 3-2.

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