to get attention, having realized that the contest, such as it was, seems at least for this fall season to be over. perhaps the caucuses and primaries of january will bring out a higher level of seriouses in. sadly for the country it's too late -- that hope is gone, as the viewers of last night came to discover. again, the question looms -- why in a year they had a chance to lead have the tea party-jibed republicans shown up with 1u67 a pathetic array of hopefuls. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "politics nation" with al sharpton starts now. >> hey, republicans have you met president pushback? >> we will not take no for an answer. >> still fighting for his jobs plan, as a new innocence news/"wall street journal" poll shows 63% of americans support it.

earth to republicans you care about what people -- i mean corporations want, don't you? what about that, gop candidates? >> 99 plan. >> free market. >> 999. >> tax break. >> overregulated. >> obama-care. >> right. nothing new. speak of 2012, it's time to the revies, our awards to the debate bee bulkle. we know -- one on, rick perry, stealing from a harlem renaissance poet? your rock would be ashamed. >> like america, america again. >> and my interview with ed koch on obama, israel, and what the gop is trying to do to america. "politics nation" starts right now.

>> welcome to "politics nation." i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead, the president's message to the republican party of no. no just won't cut it this time. >> a republican minority got together as a group and job blocked this jobs bill. no to more jobs for teachers, no to more jobs for construction workers and veterans, no to tax scut for small business owners and middle-class americans. i've got news for them. not this time. not with so many americans out of work. not with so many folks in your communities hurting. we will not take no for an answer. >> president obama won't take no for an answer, not when 63% of the country supports his jobs bill. 63%! what he won't accept is the

republicans' warped logic that they're somehow acting on bam of the american people by killing this jobs plan. >> the senate's action last night proved that the month-long campaign that the white house has been on to promote the president's bill failed. >> congressman kantor, every single voted against the plan to put 1.9 million people back to work. all that actually proves is your party is out of touch. do you know what else proves you're ouch tough? the fact that tomorrow you're introducing an abortion bill instead of job legislation. what happened to your focus on jobs? and you've got to say, your party's presidential candidates are just as out of touch as you are. >> if the payroll tax cut is not extended, that would mean a tax increase for all americans. what would be the consequences

of that? >> what it takes to create jobs is more than just a temporary shift in a tax stimulus. >> so you would be okay with seeing the payroll tax cut? >> i don't like temporary little band-ai band-aids. >> a band-aid willard? with the country struggling to get back on its feet, $1500 is a lot more than a little band-aid, but as out of touch as republicans are, sometimes you're just plain funny. folks, meet rich lowery, the economist behind herman contain's 9-9-9 financial plan. well, economist might be pushing it. he's actually not an economist. it turns out he's a local wells fargo branch employee in pepper pike, ohio. population 6,000 he's the guy who reportedly designed cain's

plan that got so much respect last night, and herman contain actually thinks he's the guy to redesign the economy for the entire country. if it weren't funny, we would be crying. when it comes to the economy this year, republicans might not always be funny. but they are a joke. joining me now, senator ben cardin, democrat for maryland, a member of the senate budget committee, and lee saunders, secretary treasure you are, a union with 1.6 million members. lee will be joining me this saturday. he is cochairing the march for jobs and justice in washington, d.c. thank both of you for coming to the show. senator, let me start with you.

none of your republican colleagues voted for the bill, not one. what does this say? >> people get it. we need to create more jobs, and they support the president's effort to bring this legislation forward. it's interesting. we had a majority of the senate vote for the jobs bill, this week, so we could at least take up jobs. the republicans used the filibuster to block it. it's not only that they're voting no. they're using procedure to block the senate from considering jobs legislation. the american people want us to solve problems. they want the government to work, and the republicans are saying no, no, no, we don't want to see anything done in this congress. >> now, lee saunders, not only are we having this big march that you are cochairing, and labor and aft, and afscme,

everybody coming in -- your union is putting out a commercial. well, it's not over last night with the vote. let me show what is getting ready to go up from the labor movement, this commercial. >> what if middle-class families were finally given the podium that politicians finally listen to us? instead of fight for millionaires and corporations, we tell them to create millions of jobs for our families, reward companies who hire returning veterans, rebuild roads and modern i'd our kids' schools. okay. maybe we don't have the podium, but we do have the plan. >> that's an ad by afscme, that's going up nationally. wow, does this mean we're getting ready to see an -- a wide broad fight from media to the streets? >> well, the battle has to continue, and it's not over.

america needs jobs in this country. they do not have a plan of their own, yet they like to criticize the plan. and we're supporting that jobs plan, and we believe we have to do everything possible to educate or citizens across this country, and to mobilize americans. and we've got to broaden out and become once again a main street movement, which is happening right now. we've got to fight back. we've got to fight for jobs in this country, and that's what we're pushing right now. >> now, you as mobilizing, lee, and you and afscme are mobilizing. you have many senators that are up for reelection. as you start these ads already and begin organizing, let me show you three senators that are

up for election next year, who voted against the jobs bill last night. senator brown in massachusetts, senator snowe in maine, senator heller in nevada. lee saunders, should they senators be concerned? >>. >> they should be. we're going to be targeting their districts and their states based upon the vote they made last night. again, the american public understands the importance and understands this crisis. they know we need jobs in this country. 9.1% of americans out of work. if you look at the communities with people of color, that percentage is much higher. we've got to realistically address this issue and this problem. and the american jobs act addresses this problem. we've got to support it. >> now, senator carter, what is the calculus here. why would a senator particularly dern why would they vote against this bill when people need jobs. >> i think they're putting their own partisan politics ahead of the national interests in this

regard. we desperately need more jobs. we need more jobs for our economy to grow. we need more jobs in order to get or budget into better balance. we need jobs in this country. i don't really understand their strategy, but i think part of it is they just don't want to see president obama's plan move forward. there's talk today we can -- is that -- do you think that can happen? will that be a feasible strategy? >> we'll try every way, try to do it in pieces, but i tell you, when we bring up small bills, they just had.

>> whether we look at ads, national ad campaigns. ohio, the referendum on the ballot, i think that's not being as widely covered as it should, but it seems like labor and working-class people are really building a movement and fighting back. >> we're calling it the main street movement. you're right, al, we are fighting back from madison to tallahassee to new york city. you look at what's happening on wall street right now, with the young people and the unemployed. they are joining together, they are making their voices heard. we've got to make our voices heard all over this country. we've got to say we need jobs. we need good jobs in this

country. we cannot stand by idly while the republicans in washington, d.c. ignore these kinds of problems. >> senator ben cardin, thank you, and lee, i'll be see you saturday, and thank you very much for your leadership. >> good to be with you. this note, lee and i want you to join us this saturday on october 15th, for the march for jobs and justice. from wall street to washington, we want to hear you. ahead, the revvies are back. the tension is building. what republican will take home a revvie tonight. plus anyone thinking the tea party was dying? think again. i have some shocking new evidence. trust me, it will surprise you. and a horse, a horse, my kingdom for a horse.

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did you get out of watching the republicans last night? i did. >> we debate this evening about spending and taxes, deficit and debt, about the present and the future, about rich and poor. >> 999 will pass, and it's not the price of a pizza. it's been well studied and well developed. >> the number one reason employers say they're not hiring today is obama-care. >> we enable -- >> if i had been chofb as vice president, i'm not sure i'm the nominee yet. >> with such great performances, and stunning misrepresent, it's time.

without fur adieu, live from 30 rocket, here in new york city, we proudly bring you the latest edition of the revvies. joining me to rep present tonight's awards, dana mill bank, political reporter, and aaron mcpike, national reporter. thank you both for being here for such an all suspicious occasion. the role for leading man, the award goes to mitt romney! i'm sorry, excuse me, i meant miss-leading man. he won this award for trying to rewrite his record on jobs.

>> in the business i was in, we didn't take things apart, cut them off and sell them off. we instead helped start businesses. sometimes we acquired businesses and tried to turn them around, typically effectively and net-net created tens of thousands of new jobs. >> well, mitt, let's look at your resume, as ceo of bain capital, you shipped jobs overseas, caused corporate bankruptcies and responsible for thousands of layoffs. then as massachusetts governor, your state ranked 47th in jobs growth. dana, what can you say about this misleading man? >> i thought they were 48th, reverend, but, you know, look, you've got to keep it in perspective. i think he held off a strong challenge from rick perry who after the debate said the american revolution was in the 16th century, which would have placed it before the pilgrims landed. he was up against steep

competition there, but this is politics. if you've got to shade things a bit, the voters generally won't hold that against you. >> i think in fairness to rick perry, he was looking over michele bachmann's notes on american history. let me ask you, erin, what do you think of mr. willard romney and his representations on creating jobs? >> he didn't take about his report in massachusetts, because democrats and other republicans are talking about how he was 47th out of 50 in massachusetts in terms of job creation. so i know what you're talking about when he's saying that he's not creating jobs for bain capital, because he -- with moving these companies around as he did, yes, he did get rid of a lot of jobs in order to be

successful. so yes, he was misleading in that for sure. >> and let me show you something about mr. mitt "everyman" willard romney. he has some explaining to do. he and his wife own a racehorse, according to roll call magazine. they own a dressage horse, which is ridden in competition. this is very interesting. i'm sure all of us who are sitting around hoping to extend our unemployment checks are also checking on our horses. dana, this is not going to go too well with his plaid shirt i'm mr. every guy. >> well, there is an excuse, and romney says it's important for her ms, and who are we to say that it's not. the strange part is they bring these horses over from france,

so i'm not exactly sure why you need french horses to help with the illness. it may be some part of a trade deal that mitt romney is working out, but it's going to take some explaining. >> next up, the award for best performance in the godfather, part 999. and this goes to herman contain for his nonstop delivery of that plan of his. >> 999. >> the 999. >> the 999 plan. >> the 999 plan i have proposed is a simple bold plan to grow this economy, which i have put my 999 plan. >> 999 is bold. >> my top priority is 999. >> of course. the plan is not worst very much, right, republicans? >> when you take the 999 plan and turn it upside down, i think the devil is in the details.

>> we need something that's doable, doable, doable. >> i must admit that simple answers are always very helpful, but oftentimes inadequate. >> and economicing say the plan will explode deficits and increase taxes on the floor. erin, should cain stick to it? >> he has to. he's been talking about it ever since he became a candidate. for someone who is adamant about not being a politics, he has an uncanny ability to stay on mess, and he did a good job of that last night. >> they're beginning to rip apart the fact that this plan does not work equally across the board. has he been able to get this far in talking about this, because no one took him seriously to now, and now under scrutiny, this may begin to melt under the glare of hot lights? >> i think that's exactly what's

happening, reverend, but the possibility is that i think people, particularly here in washington, still don't take him seriously. yes, he has risen in the polls, but i don't think anybody giving him a credible chance of wincing. they're treating it as more of a joke, with jon huntsman suggesting he thought it was a pizza. he'll get more scrutiny, but i don't think as much as if he was a mitt romney or rick perry, though rick perry hasn't yet announced his plan. up next, the award for best cameo. this award goes to rick perry, for his short, brief, and ultimately underwhelming performance in last night's debate. >> opening up a lot of the areas of our domestic energy area. that's the real keep, and let me just address this issue of the

debt in the state of texas. >> perry was a side character, spoke a total of only ten times, only got the question during the ask your fellow candidate part, and all night his jobs plans was hmms, ha's and hot air. >> he kept tacking about domestic energy. he was the one that needed some domestic energy, or at least a can of red bull. people who know him maybe are not as surprised as others, but just one debate after another completely wiped the man out. he's on his way to being just another rick santorum. >> but he does have $15 million, something to give him something to work with. does the money pose a threat? >> absolutely. i would disagree a bit. i don't think that this debate

was all that bad for him. he didn't dig hi hole any deeper. when they do pan to him when other candidates are talking and the facial expressions are that of irritation or annoyance, that continues to be a problem he should fix. >> but dana, didn't every commentator say he had to come out right night and redeem himself. as the debate went on and on and on, we almost forgot he was there. >> he just seems to get tired very early at night. i think not doing as badly as in the other debates probably will not cut it for him. he's got to speed up his delivery. it's almost like his record is being played too slow. >> erin mcpike, and dana milbank thank you for being part of the revvies today.

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myth that mitt romney is inevitable, and that the tea party is fading away. herman contain, yes, herman contain is now the front-runner in the gop primary. our new nbc poll shows cain with 27% support among republicans nationwide. mitt romney is sect with 23%. i mean, mitt romney is second with 23%, and rick perry is third with 16%. in just the last month herman contain has spiked 22% among republicans, riding the anti-romney vote all the way to if i were despite his questionable racial comments. >> will not i be the flavor of the week? the answer is an emphatic no, because haagen-dazs black walnut

tastes good all the time. >> joining me is michael steele. >> good to be with you, reverend. >> when i woke up this morning, all the headlines were about romney the inevitable front-runner, suddenly just moments ago, nbc poll comes out, cain is number one. should willard be worried, michael? >> i love the willard thing, man. no -- well, yes and no. i think no to the extent that this one poll, taking overnight after i think herman survived a very good evening for him, and was able to keep pushing his 9-9-9 plan. yes, to the extent that if subsequent polls over the next two, three days come out confirming and affirming the nbc poll, then yeah, i think there's

something to look at. >> let me help you out, michael. the poll was over four days and concluded before the debate last night. >> i understand that, but what i'm saying is it's one poll, and now we need to take a look at the polls that will be coming off the debate yesterday, and see how they match up against this poll that you've just released. you know, i have to say -- i'm sure you can appreciate as someone who's run for the presidency and knows what a gauntlet that is, knows there's an enormous amount of pride. >> i don't agree with him, but i think he's done a great job for his candidacy. >> and that's resonated with people, rev. >> and i think it should.

let me show you why i said willard should be worried. if you look at the last two polls, mitt romney in october -- i'm sorry, in august, 23%. you see. >> now in october, cain and perry together, 43%, so even though perry was the one that was up and cain down last night, they both are together, 43-23 against willard. >> he's not moving. there's 43% blocking your party that will not buy willard. >> yeah, but the flip side is there is a 23-25 or even 30% block that is solidly with

governor romney. no matter how this has ebbed and flowed, he is consistent. and that's going to be significant, now that florida has jumped the gun, and moved the timetable up. this things begins to lock down very quickly for him. that's why i said the poll subsequent will tell the tale whether or not this will settle around romney or there's still fluidity. i think herman contain is going to come under a greater spot light by folks like yourself and others who will people back on the 9-9-9 and see the impact on the poor and working families. >> there's no doubt about that,

and then listen to what he has to say about that. that will be the difference. >> let me show you this. same poll, gop priorities in questioning republicans, 67% said what was most important was the candidate closest to my views on issues, only 31% say what's important to them is who has the best chance to beat oblama, so if willard's plan is to say i may not be as conservative as you, i may not be tea party, but i'm the one that can win the presidency, beat president obama, well, almost 2 to 1, republicans are telling polls terres, no, my views are more important than that. >> but let me tell you what happens with that. you probably know this as well. you're talking about a poll like that in october of 2011. when you get to january, or even

late december of this year is, that number will change, as voters get closer to the polls, questions of electable balance out with likability and whether or not this individual is closest to my particular values. so those numbers will change, and that's something that works for romney. >> before we start pacing out pizzas tonight, let me show you how they match up. in a matchup between romney and president obama and contain, 49% to 38, 11% gap. so even though among republican voters he's ahead, he's not in a matchup. you've got to say this to you. on a radio show, my name came up

with mr. quan. i want to show you this. mr. cain, let me show you this sound bite. >> harley belafonte, al sharpton, joy behar, have the democrats essentially sent them out there to rope and bring you back into the corral? >> correct. the only tactics that they have, neal, are name call, try to intimidate in order to shut me up, and to try to keep other blacks and other democrats from possibly liking me. >> michael, when you talk to him, tell i'm i have not called him any names. i disgra with him on 999, because it's tacked against working people.

sill disagree with him saying blackses are brainwashed, i disagree with his economic policies, and tell him given my new figure, i just take to black walnut haagen-dazs. it does not help my diet. thank you so much for your time tonight. >> you got it, buddy. >> coming up, ed koch, he's had some tough words for republicans and for president obama. i'll ask him about both of those when he's here next. you're watching "politics nation" on msnbc. ♪ [ cellphone rings ] cut! [ monica ] i have a small part in a big movie. i thought we'd be on location for 3 days, it's been 3 weeks. so, i used my citi simplicity card to pick up a few things. and i don't have to worry about a late fee. which is good...

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there's been a lot of tough things said about reps in this election season. one of toughest i have read is this one, quote -- republicans have charted a radical course that i and numerous other americans cannot support. for that they will be punished. their proposals effectively destroying entitlements are an anathema to the american public, and that will pay -- and they will pay the price, defeat. that's so good, i wish i had said it, but i didn't. the man who did is here tonight, the former three-term mayor of new york city, and leading democratic voice. he's my guest tonight, ed koch.

welcome. >> a pleasure. >> why did you come down so hard on the republicans on their economic policy? >> well, i believe that first, they don't care about the country, and would rather have as the single priority the destruction of president obama and prevent his reelection. they should certainly disagree, but first comes the country. they have given up on that. that's why i think the american public will give up on them. >> so because of their drive to defeat this president -- >> not just the drive, about you to make it a single priority, even if it means injuring the country with respect to a legislation which might, because it's good, help the president. they don't want to help if it helps him, so far as they're concerned, it's taboo. >> when i look at the fact

supported thing, now they don't support it only because it's his bill. >> correct. >> don't make him look good at any cost. >> mitch mcconned was very honest, my number one priority is to make sure he isn't reelected. though he didn't say it, even though it means -- you have chas advertised the president. >> sure. so have you. >> and you've taken positions recently with him on the meet, and then met with him. >> well, i said that i did not like -- i used strong language, what he was doing with respect to israel, and i made it clear

that i was not going to vote for him on that basis. he asked to see me, and i did go to see him. we had a half-hour chat, which is a long time with a president. he was very distressed, thinking that the jewish community, which i said he was taking for granted was upset because he thought he was pleasing them with his statements. i said, you know, mr. president, when you said israel should go back to the pre-'67 lines, i wouldn't have gotten angry as i did, even though i disagree with that because it makes israel indefensible, no defensible lines, but you didn't at the same time demand that hamas give up terrorism, that it recognize the state of israel, and that if there were successful negotiations, recognize it as a jewish state, and also end its charter, which sell that every

jew who came to palestine after 1917 must be expelled. you didn't say that. he said it was really interesting -- he said, i thought i did. but the fact is that i have concluded based on the speech that he made at the u.n., before i met with him that he's very supportive of the state of israel, wants to see justice done, recognizes that they were there for 3,000 years. it's not just simply the holocaust that brought them there. so i'm back on board the bus, as i said. >> when you say you're back on board the bus, you're going to support him? >> well, i'm going to campaign for him. yeah. so ed koch went to florida and places like that, talking about what you just said here about the republicans and entitlements, and that president obama is not anti-israel, that would be very effective. >> he said he needs me and says my voice is heard outside of new york, but i also sent a message

to the white house today. i said in view of what iran has just done, uncovered by american security people, that they were going to kill the saudi arabian ambassador here in washington and blow up both the saudi arabian embassy and israeli embassy, the united states in my judgment should say to iran that any attack upon saudi arabia or israel will be deemed by us as an attack upon the united states, and we will retaliate immediately. if he did that, instead of getting 78% of the jewish vote and hopefully 78% of the arab vote, he'll get 90% in both cases. you and i have been on opposite sides and on the same side. we met in '77 when i led a

demonstration in your office. >> i made you famous. >> of course, and then later we actually toured together on the second chance program. you were concerned about too many young black men were not given a second chance. >> right. >> when i look at occupy wall street, how would you handle it if you were there? do you support -- >> i absolutely do, so long as it's peaceful, which i think it has been up to date. i think they have to worry that they have no designated leadership by design, and therefore vulnerable to anarchy and to people who would want to take over the movement and pervert it, but i believe so long as they engage in civil disobedience -- you pay the penalty, which is a civil fine, but that you have a right to do that. >> what do you think about what they're saying about the wall street crowd? >> i join them.

i think it is an outrage that no ceo, no cfo of any corporation, major corporation on wall street or the banks, has been convicted and sent to jail for having engaged in criminality and bringing on the great recession. and some did, no question about that. a poor kid steals a bike, he goes to jail. a guy steals millions, and he gets a civil fine, which is becoming the cost of doing business. so that's one of the their objectives -- fairness, equity, people who commit crimes not just of violence, which is terrible, but also crimes against america that's deprived america of trillions of dollars and they too should go to prison. >> so you agree that some of these ceos and cfos