good morning to you, i'm richard lui in for chris jans g jansing. we start with a revealing discussion with accused penn state child predator jerry sandusky, speaking for the first time since being released on bail, this as close to ten more alleged victims are coming forward. the "new york times" saying police are now working to confirm the new allegations leveled against the former assistant coach n an exclusive no-holds-barred questioning with nbc's bob costas on "rock center" sandusky denies attacking eight boys. a note for you, this is not for children. >> i'm innocent of those charges. >> inspect? completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect? >> well, i could say that, you know, i have done some of those

things. i have horsed around with kids. i have showered after workouts. i have hugged them and i have touched their leg, without intent of sexual contact but -- so if you look at it that way, there are things that -- that wouldn't -- would be accurate. >> nbc's michelle franzen joins us live from state college, pennsylvania. michelle, we started by talking about these ten alleged new victims. what are you hearing about? >> reporter: well, the new york times, as you mentioned, is reporting that at least ten new alleged victims have come forward, that according to police in this area what we don't know exactly is whether those are confirmed cases yet. police say that they are working to confirm those case and likely, they will probably come forward, probably come forward, perhaps from the second mile

organization, of course, where the eight alleged victims stem from in this grand jury indictment. so, it could be that they might be also kids that were part of that program that are coming forward now and that's exactly what police as well as people here at penn state college university authorities are trying to encourage people to do now, is to come forward if they have reports that they want to shed light on now, that is exactly what they are hoping they will find out. of course, this stems over a 15-year period, some of these allegations of reports, through this grand jury indictment that was just released as well as the 40 counts of child abuse that sandusky now faces. he was indicted last week that set off a fire storm of controversy here at penn state because many of those reports that are included in the grand jury indictment say that some of those instances happened right here on campus. >> you know, kicking off that fire storm here, michelle, was

coach mike mqueary, who allegedly, according to the indictment, caught sandusky with a young boy in the shower. we are hearing from him? >> reporter: yeah, that report is included in the grand jury indictment. it stems from 2002, when the then-graduate assistant mike mqueary encountered sandusky in the shower with a boy at the penn state locker room there he had told his supervisor that had the grand jury report was wondering whether mqueary did enough to make sure that report was elevate ready. he is on paid leave now and is facing criticism of his own. he responded in an e-mail to some of his fellow colleagues. he's former quarterback here at penn state and in that e-mail, he said, "i did the right thing. you guys know me. the truth is not out there fully. i didn't just turn and run. i made sure it stopped. i had to make quick, tough decisions." and those are some of the developments that are coming to light quickly in this -- quickly

moving case here that is both taking on a criminal investigation as well as an internal investigation here on campus and now another investigation within the char that sandusky founded, the second mile. thank you, nbc's michelle franzen what sandusky told bob costas when asked if he was sexually attracted young boys. more of the exclusive "rock center" interview later on january sing and company. stick around for that. it wasn't supposed to be a gotcha question but herman cain made a major stumble. listen to this one. >> so, you agreed with president obama on libya or not? >> okay. libya. president obama supported the uprising, correct? had i do not agree with the way he handled it for the following

reason. no, that's different line. i got to go back and see -- got all this stuff twirling around in my head. >> major gar set national journal's congressional correspondent and jay newton is a washington correspondent. that was painful to watch for many a i watched five minutes of t you know, his campaign said he was going on four hours of sleep and this was taken out of context. you mod rated the debate, as most know here on foreign policy, what do you think? does he know what he is talking about? >> that is for the voters to decide f you look the sum total of his anticipates, direct questions to the debate that cbs and national journal conducted on saturday and look at what happened in the very straightforward, not a gotcha question yesterday, i think you can make some conclusions that on foreign policy and national

security, herman cain doesn't know all the things that most people would expect a potential commander in chief to know and doesn't have a sense of discussing them with any sort of comfort or sense of what he would take u.s. foreign policy or national security policy should he become the president of the united states. and i know this campaign is focused legitimately on the economy but everyone know also national security and foreign policy are part of every president's port foal yellow. this is a problem cain has to address and address soon. >> after that flub was made, this is what he said to our campaign last night. listen to this. >> let us walk through. >> you don't have a thoreau undyun -- thorough understanding of foreign policy. >> 9-9-9.

>> he has been calling for months to be taken seriously, allegations of sexual impropriety, said i want to be asked serious questions, be asked important things and you ask him something important and he completely flubs it it you can't come back all the time and say 999 everything comes back to the economy, when you have, as major and you were saying, very important national security questions you should answer as commander in chief. frankly, the first five months of his campaign, his entire answer for almost all foreign policy questions was, well, i can't really make any decisions until i have been read in on the security briefings and until i get those security briefings as president, i'm not going to have a foreign policy withcy kind of a ludicrous platform to run on. >> he said during that interview we showhood portions of moments ago. major, let's switch gears here, talking about iowa, you have been watching this with us, a bloomberg poll, a four-way tie between cain, romney, paul and gingrich r you see these numbers is it still anybody's game this

late in the game? >> you know, i haven't been to iowa yet, full disclosure, but i was in south carolina for the better part of last week, of course, republican official there is are checking with folks that they know in new hampshire and iowa and the impression that i got is republicans really do believe this is the most fluid campaign they have ever seen or certainly they have seen in recent memory, 10 or 20, maybe 30 years. everything is not up for grabs are. clearly romney has organization money and persistent support around 290, 25 baseline. everyone is moving, shifting around, the newt gingrich uprising now oh elevation of the polls seems to be a process of elimination thing t didn't work for bachmann, didn't work for perry, may not be working for cain, who is next in line, newt gingrich? we say this every cycle, organization matters. ground game matters. can you take what support you have and translate it on the day that matters iowa, new hampshire, south carolina? organizationally, in iowa, you have got to look at romney, ron paul, michele bachmann.

what i was told about cain is he is not ready in iowa. he is not organized in new hampshire, has nothing going for him in south carolina. ultimately this is decided on the ground. >> talk about that romney still not committing necessarily to iowa. you look at the numbers, he has not had a lot of trips there, should he start to step that up? >> most certainly it is a big temptation for romney to invest in iowa because he is running even in the polls but he was burned there last time, he invested almost $60 million in 2007 and he came in -- he didn't even place in the top three. so i think he is a little bit leery of doing -- making that mistake again of investing and not playing as well as he had hope old. at the same time, you have got other players who are investing there, for example, rick perry is going all-in on iowa. i'm told he is spending upwards of $10 million of his remaining war chest to win iowa, if he can win iowa, he can reclaim that momentum and hopefully come into south carolina with, you know, as being the ultimate top anti-romney character,

anti-romney candidate and he is going to have a real challenge with newt gingrich these days for that position. jay newt-thank you, major garrett as always, appreciate it. congresswoman gabrielle giffords speaks publicly for the first time since the shooting that nearly claimed her life. hear what she has to say. we have that in about 15 minutes. the mother of hundreds of occupy movements could have turned into a powder keg this morning but it did not. occupy wall street protesters were thrown for a loop at 1 a.m. this morning when police called for a surprise sweep and totally cleared out the park. new york city mayor michael bloomberg says the first amendment does not give anyone the right to take over a park. >> inaction was not an option. we could not wait for someone in the park to get killed or to injure another first responder before acting. protesters have had two months

to occupy the park with tent he is and sleeping bags. now, they will have to occupy the space with the power of their arguments. >> our nbc's correspondent is live at the park. mara what is the status of the protesters, going back in now? >> reporter: this is where we get into back and forth this morning. when they were cleared out early this morning, the mayor did say they would be allowed back in. he did note that when the protesters were allowed back into the park, they would have to obey park rules which included things like no tents and no sleeping bags, essentially, changing the whole nature of their occupation here. since that happened this morning, a court issued an order prohibiting the city from enforcing laws to put into place after they started occupying the park and those include those rules of no tents, no sleeping bags and the like. so, now, they are in a bit of a dispute over that. there is a hearing going to be held at 11:30 this morning about that and the city has decided not to let anyone back into the

park until all of that is straightened out. it should be a few more hours before we know if and when they will be allowed back in and under what circumstances, to just come and congregate or set up shop the way they have been the last two months n terms of what they are doing now, several hundred occupy wall street protesters set up shop here are marching not so far away, to gather together to come up with a plan to figure out what they want to do at this point. this place was full of tents, food, people's personal belongings, people who didn't take those things with them, they were taken by the sanitation department. people have to figure out what they want to do moving forward. they do have an event already planned thursday to mark the two-month anniversary of the occupy wall street movement here in man hat-presumably, go forward with that as planned. richard? >> nabs's mara key is ya vo campo in new york. protesters have not gone away in san francisco in front of city hall. today, they are joining with

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you know crunch sometime coming when the ads start flying, first, michele bachmann showing this ad, painting her as the only true conservative. >> i believe abortion should be safe and legal in this country. >> i will preserve and protect a woman's right to choose. hi, i'm nancy pelosi. >> i'm newt gingrich. >> together, we can do this. >> china has indicated that they

are trying to develop nuclear capability. >> you did support an individual mandate? >> yes, sir. >> okay that's what i'm saying, we got the idea from you and the heritage foundation. >> commerce, education and the -- oops. >> and a super pac-supporting jon huntsman is putting this ad up in new hampshire. >> got a job? sure you will have it next week? >> the world is literally collapsing. and no one has shown up we can trust as a conservative. >> who actually has a chance to win. >> not some phony who tells me one thing and you another. >> then on the campaign trail in iowa yesterday, newt gingrich talking about how he is picking up some steam. >> look, this is the most volatile race in my lifetime. i mean, i don't know of any race like this, maybe go back to 1940 when wendell wilkey came out of nowhere at the very end, this is a wild race, okay? who knows what the polls are going to be two months from now. >> plus, a big day in wisconsin today. labor has governor scott walker in its sights. a group starts gathering

signatures to try to recall him. in august, voters recalled two of the six gop state senators who made the decision to limit collective bargaining. the debt super committee now has just eight days and in front of them, this, if this were to represent all of the money the next ten years it is $46 trillion in spending over the next decade. and they have to cut out about a trillion dollars from the deficit. that doesn't happen. automatic cuts are triggered. how much are we talking about when it comes to the super committee fight? if you look up here on the upper right hand screen here, that red dot represents the percentage of the amount of money that needs to be had in this deal if the super committee is working about, about $1 trillion they have to agree on, not necessarily a lot. if they can't agree on that dot that we have got up there, then automatically, what will happen is $1 trillion would be cut from the budget the next ten years,

half of the pentagon and defense secretary leon panetta, he is scared about what that might mean. >> it is a ship without sailors. it is a brigade without bullets it is an air wing without enough trained pilots. it's a paper tying ter. >> defense would take a 7% hit for 2013, this sliver here. panetta warns the cuts would slash ground forces to preworld war ii levels, the f-35 joint strike fighter might face the chopping block with all that war funding and personnel could be the cuts there. 8% could come from the discretionary budget and that include cuts across-the-board, health centers, law enforcement like police and low-income house, again, close to 8% cut here would result automatically if they don't come up with a deal. the third category is the holy grail, entitlement programs, about 2.5% would be chopped from the bunnell that's they currently have at the moment

this piece of pie here that includes medicare payments and farm price supports, all included, that means your doctors and insurance companies also would see some cuts and then there are the ripple effects. failing on a deal could lead to another credit downgrade, some are saying and that could lead to a big drop in the stock market that is starving for economic certainty, as we have seen and lead to more voter disgust with congress, whose approval ratings are already in the toilet and government spending on health care and retirement programs will rise sharply, too, devouring an even greater share of the federal budget, just some of the things that will happen if these automatic cuts get into place. joining me now, congresswoman sanchez, member of the house services committee and joint economic committee as well. let me ask you this how devastating would these cuts, be triggered, if the super committee does not fail, especially when you take a look at defense? >> well, if the super committee doesn't put a plan before the

congress, then there are automatic cuts and 50% of that falls across defense, homeland security, the intelligence, agency he is of the government. and it would be pretty devastating and the biggest reason is that this year, the current year we're in, 2012, as we call at the federal level. >> right. >> we already are making the department of defense take $465 billion worth of cuts. so, to put another 600 billion starting in 2013 on the department of defense, i think would be devastating. do we have a little to give the super committee? maybe. i've been one of those people trying to give them some idea, trying to figure out with secretary panetta what it looks like, this 465 billion we are cutting this year, but we don't have a lot more after that, honestly. >> congresswoman, what we are hearing in the national journal today that members are embracing

this idea and it was out a little bit earlier, this discussion, taking the savings from both of the wars and counting that toward the require respect that the super committee has. is that a gimmick? >> well, first of all, we will be out of iraq by december 31st of this year. but, again, we have to find $465 billion in this fiscal year. having started october 1st going through this next september 30th. a lot of that is already accounted for. and also remember, we have these troops returning. they are going to have a lot of mental issues. they are going to have health problems. some of that money has to go in that direction. and we have to regroup our troops and try to figure out what does the new troop look like? how is he equipped and educated for the new wars that we will face? so, you can't just say, well, we are gonna save this much because we are pulling out of that war and just going to put it toward the super committee. a lot is spoken for this year. something you said last month, u.s. news reporting that you

predicted "by christmas, i will be sleeping on a cot in congress." with so much ahead of you, do you still think you will have to break out that cot, congresswoman? >> well, the super committee is supposed to have something to us by the 23rd. i'm hearing rumblings of how can we pass a law or do something that would allow them to maybe extend another week. then we have to have an up and down vote, both in the house and in the senate if they should bring something to us. that is going to take a bit. so, december 23rd, hey, i have been here december 22nd, i have been here december 23rd, been here december 18th, i'm used to t. >> congresswoman loretta sanchez, may be there on a cot. thank you so much for your time. we will be right back p. >> thank you. time for your business entrepreneurs of the week. small businesses in austin, texas, are thinking local. mason arnold rounds green leaf which distributes produce from farms and baked goods from that city's little blue stem. they are championing the buy local movement and hedge the economy of their communities.

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16, 17 inches. you have heard the stories month in and month out about a drought. a severe thunderstorm watch in this yellow-shaded area including houston, metro area until 4 this afternoon, hopefully get some rain, there maybe reports of straight line wind damage and hail. plenty of rain moving from little rock up through kentucky and tennessee and these areas, too much of a good thing here, we may get three, four inches of rainfall already, seep some of those totals on doppler radar, watching those areas for the risk of some flash flooding tonight and tomorrow. all the rain is heading to the eastern seaboard tonight and tomorrow and that is going to bring rain into new york, philadelphia and boston. here is that forecast for today, get nothing atlanta later today. by the way, heads up tomorrow, flying anywhere along the east coast of new york down toward atlanta, there will be flight delays, cold air follows it front thursday and friday and richard, the weekend before thanksgiving will feature warmer weather and we have got that turkey day forecast now lined up for you at weather.com. so check it out where you're going to be celebrating the big meal. >> love to think about that big meal. thank you so much, my friend.

here is a look at some other stories that people are talking about right now the nba season is close to the point of no return. the players have rejected the owners latest off and the fight could be headed to court. cnbc sports business reporter darren rovell joins me live this aeffect lot of businesses from big to small, perhaps billions of dollars. what are you seeing? >> obviously, it is a little bit early richard, but i will tell you the players association is no longer a players aassociation that is a trade association, give the players a chance to file an antitrust lawsuit, that means why you are talking about a season not getting going. let's talk about the deal a little bit what they rejected. the players last said they would only go to 52% of what's called basketball-related income for their salaries. the deal for the nba was 50%. they were only going to give them 50%. each percentage point representing $40 million over the course of a ten-year deal that is $800 million, but let's talk about the fact that a lost

season is worth $2 billion versus $800 million on this deal. why didn't they take the deal? a lot of people thinking about that. >> good point. yeah. >> also, we have the average arena worker making about $48,000. richard, many of those people are part-timers and people who come out of retirement because their 401(k)s didn't do well. so, there is a lot of impact here, not only for the big paychecks of the players but average people as well. >> i have heard, talk about this, darn, hundreds of millions of dollars that the sneaker or the tennis shoe industry could lose because of this. does this also affect other people along the way? >> well, yeah. i mean, we are wondering about this. they are saying -- analysts are saying because the fact that jordan shoes actually make up more than 70% of sales and michael jordan hasn't played since 2001, it is a little bit different from 1999 when this last happened. but right now, adidas tells me that their shoe sales, basketball shoe sales are up

25%. you got to think that there's still people out there playing participation versus watching, but if the players aren't playing with the shoes, there is certainly some marketing not being done, being lost. that ripple effect. darren rolf, thanks for putting a dollar amount on it appreciate it. it looks like the two supreme court justices asked by activists to recuse themselves from hearing challenges to presidents -- to the president's health care law are staying put. conservatives have asked justice elena kagan recuse herself because she helped write the law when she was solicitor general and liberals are asking clarence thomas to step down based on his wife's work against that law. new census people to tell you about, fewer people are illegally emigrating into the united states from mexico, many are returning due to a lack of jobs in the united states and tighter border enforcement. u.s. border patrol arrests, a common gauge of how many people try to cross without papers, fell below half a million in the last year. that's steady drop since its

peak of 2 million in 2000. a 9-year-old girl is recovering after being rescued from underneath a wrecked car. jordan landon and her father are seen here at this video playing scratchoffs and buying snacks before leaving and moments later, their car crashing into a ditch, killing douglas landen and leaving jordan trapped in the wreckage alive. she survived on pop-tarts and gatorade purchased at the station for two days before being rescued. a 100-foot bluff in southern california is slowly falling into the ocean. you know that happens a lot out west, leaving some massive cracks in a san pedro road. crews are working to fence off the unstable section and reroute vulnerable infrastructure from underneath the sinking roadway. no homes or buildings are threatened at the moment but what a sight, huh? a record-breaking quarterback for yale university has a tough decision ahead, play in the big final home game against harvard or interview for the rhodes scholarship.

we will tell you what he decide dodd when we go down to the wire. an accuser of jerry sandusky is worried about the safety of his own children and neighborhood. the neighbor tells nbc news he has called sandusky's attorneys and the judge asking that sandusky be placed in protective custody. he is worried about people coming into that neighborhood seeking retribution. the former football coach spoke with nbc's bob costas in an exclusive interview on "rock center", a neat about this interview, again this interview is not for children. >> how would you define the part you played? what are you willing to concede that you've done that was wrong and you wish you had not done it? >> well, in retrospect, i, you know, i shouldn't have showered with those kids, you know, so -- >> that's it? >> yeah, that's -- that's what hits me the most. >> are you a pedophile?

>> no. >> are you sexually attracted to young boys, to underaged boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underaged boys? >> yes. >> sexually attracted? you know, i enjoy young people. i love to be around them. i -- but no i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> what did happen in the shower the night mike mcqueary happened upon you and the young boy? >> okay. we were showering and horse around and he actually turned all the showers on and was actually sliding across the floor and we were, as i recall, possibly, like, snapping a towel in horseplay. >> in 1998, a mother confronts you about taking a shower with her son and inappropriately touching him. two detectives eavesdrop on conversations with you and you

admit that maybe your private parts touched her son. what happened there? >> i can't exactly recall what was said there. in terms of what i did say was that if he felt that way, then i was wrong. and i didn't want to leave that kind of impression. i is lift him and that's what i said. >> during one of those conversations, you said, i understand, i was wrong. i wish could i get forgiveness, speaking now with the mom. i know i won't get it from you. i wish i were dead. a guy falsely accused or a guy whose actions have been misinterpreted doesn't respond that way, does he? >> i don't know. accident say to my recollection that i wish i were dead.

i -- i was hopeful that we could reconcile things. >> again, that exclusive interview on "rock center." more more of that, go to msnbc. elizabeth smart is reaching out to the alleged penn state victims. smart was kidnapped in 2002 and held captive for nine months. >> i would tell them to not let this moment in their lives define them, to not let them -- not let it hold them back. it certainly is not easy to move forward. it certainly is painful and it's not fun, but it is so worth it 'cause we have this gift of life and we should be making the most of t. >> now, elizabeth smart has become an advocate for child sexual abuse victims. black friday is quickly turn new england black thursday in a bid to outdo the stores opening at midnight for the first time. and walmart, whose sales start at 10 p.m. on thanksgiving, toys "r" us has announced stores will open at 9 thursday night.

cnbc's brian sullivan is here with what's moving your money. we got to break out a new calendar, we will move thanksgiving to wednesday perhaps. >> i think black friday, if you want to call it that is just going to be black 365. i mean -- yeah. i'm doing my best to come off that interview into this segment. the rate, richard, stores are tripping over themselves to see who can open up the earliest, target, kohl's, macy's, best buy, you talked about toys "r" us opening earlier and earlier. i think you should do your christmas shopping for the next year on december 26th. why not? just jump the line. these stores, a yearious note, trying to avoid the scenes that you see, right, people running over each other, shoving each other down to get whatever the latest gadget or toy s >> do this to compete, brian to stay viable in this very difficult time? >> 22.3 million people shopped on thanksgiving last year, according to the national retail federation, a lot of competition for a little bit of dollars that

are still out there. >> talk about the kindle fire, the ipad killer some are calling it, out today. how does it look? >> it is looking great for amazon. now, whether or not amazon can make any money. this is the razor blade model for amazon what that means, they are selling this thing for $199. probably a loss leader, want to sell you books, want to sell you videos, sell you music that you will listen to buy tonight cheap and film up with application and stuff. jpmorgan chase estimating 5 million kindle fires should be sold this quarter and 20 million next year. that could break all kinds of records. keep in mind, it is $300 less expensive than the cheapest ipad. so amazon and apple, there you go, got a battle royale with cheese coming up. >> brian sullivan, pleasure as always. thank you. >> thanks. happy news for american hikers freed by iran in september. shane bauer and sarah shourd will finally get married in may in the san francisco bay area. that couple got engaged in an iranian prison after their 2009

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assistant coach jerry sandusky. how is he responding to the sexual abuse allegations against him and the mounting number of victims now coming forward? is he inspect or a sick pedophile in complete denial? major developments this morning with the occupy wall street movement in manhattan as all protesters are evicted, some arrested as police in riot gear clear out that park, as i understand it, hundreds march backed to the park, some jumping the barricades, police escorting em out. plus, herman cain and the oops moment. full damage control. he will be watching his live news conference in the next hour. that and more coming your way. richard? >> great stuff, thanks, thomas. gloria cain talking about mr. cain, standing by her man, she is, and her first ever interview, she talked about her husband of 43 years and the allegations against him. she insists he respects women and believes he did not wrong. >> his conscience would bother him. his conscience would bother him

and he couldn't look me straight in the eye and i can usually tell if there is -- is there something wrong? it's like, well, i was supposed to go to such and such a place or whatever. his con science bothers him. >> and there's more. cain made sure that you understood this, that she is behind him. >> 1 -- 200%. 200%? >> 200%. absolutely no doubt in my mind. and you know what, that's one of the most comforting things about going through all of this because if your family had doubts in you about the stuff that's being shown on tv, it would really be crushing. >> joe app reed is the managing editor of thegrio.com and karen fin snail veteran of the clinton white house and an msnbc analyst. she was supposed to do this interview, had them put it off, she canceled it. at this time, coming out and says she is standing by her mansome it too late?

>> had gloria cain about be seen on the trail earlier and the campaign used her before and seen her before, it might have been effective, but the fact they are deploying her when he is in truck, i think it takes away from the credit of the argument, makes it seem crass. >> i want to play another bit of that interview. let's listen, karen. >> okay. is. >> to hear such graphic allegation and know that that would have been something that was totally disrespectful of her as a woman, and i know that's not the person he is. he totally respects women. >> you know, karen, throughout that, what, 15-minute interview, if you looked at that time online this is what she consistently said, is that what you expect to hear from her? >> well, absolutely, it was very important for her to talk about, i mean earthquake the message there was herman cain respects women because they knew once the numbers among women voters started to get soft that is when

they knew they were in trouble. obviously, between that and the disastrous answer on libya, he is in a whole world of trouble now. i just heard one thing that joanne was saying just a little bit, not so much if we had seen her before, she would be more credible, i think the fact that we are seeing her now sounds like an act of desperation. they know they are in trouble when they put the wife out after herman cain had been so clear early on, she doesn't want to have anything to do with the campaign. you pull her out when you're in trouble, that means you know you are in run. >> said this for a reason, the clinton white house, which think back not too far, stand by your man moments, everyone brings up the clintons. similar or different here? >> there is a similar knit that -- how shocking men in politics tend to have trouble with their zippers. and -- >> zippers? >> and i think there is an initial -- in hillary's case, she wanted to believe.

obviously, we got to a point where that could no longer hold up, so -- but there is that critical decision, i mean, the wife and the family is a very important part of campaigning in that they go to a person's credibility. we want to know a little something about that person. are they a family man? are they a good father? are they a good husband? people like to know those kinds of thing also. so, those images of the person with their spouse and their family is, you know, kind of supposed to give people the good feeling. if the wife will vouch for him, good enough for the rest of us. >> joe app, let's talk about that huma with anthony weiner, came out after the scandal had broken, you feel sorry for them at a certain point, don't you? >> at this point, i think the wife as validater is less valuable in politics because we know now, as karen said, when the wife comes out and says, no, he really represents women, he is not really a creep. >> when have we seen it work? >> it happens when the guy did it. i think the wife as validater

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having a good time at the table, joking and laughing. so it was all together really great. >> and you can own the very same ruby red slippers that judy garland wore in "the wizard of oz", the shiny shoes will be sold at auction in new york city next mom. expected to fetch between $2 and $3 million. talking about shining stars, the "twilight" stars came out for "breaking dawn part one." the highly anticipated wedding scene felt like "a real ceremony." hmm. patrick witt a final list for the prestigious rhodes scholarship but the interview is this saturday in atlanta, the same time as the big harvard/yale game. witt also decided to withdraw his application from the rhodes and play in that game, the last of the season and his college career. plus, brad pitt says at 47, he is thinking about retiring. >> i wasn't exactly putting an

exact deadline on my expiration date but i see it coming, just have other interests. >> a lot of sad women out there now thinking that he may retire in about three years. no more movies, no more seeing brad pitt perhaps. that is down to the wire. that wraps it up for us here at "jansing & co.," i'm richard lui in for chris jansing. thomas roberts is up next and don't forget now at noon eastern with alex wagner here on msnbc. have a good one. [ groans ] [ marge ] psst. constipated?

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