relationship with boys. why would sandusky agree to an interview that could be used to build the case against him. what a profiler has to say about the way sandusky answered this question. >> you sexually attracted to young underage boys? >> am i sexually attracted to underage boys? >> will we witness a trial where sandusky comes face-to-face with the alleged victims. plus, clean sweep occupy wall street protesters as they are forced out of their encampment at the location where it started. that is steps away from wall street. protesters can return, but they will not be allowed to occupy the site. total recall, the grass roots movement to remove scott walker from office starts today. democrats need more than a half million signatures in 60 days to

trigger a recall election. it is another showdown for the aftershocks and they could be felt nationally. beloved actor michael j. fox goes back to the past for a good cause. >> i'm tamron hall and we have new accusations, new investigations and new concerns from jerry sandusky's thashs who fear for their safety. as many as ten more victims came forward to accuse him of sexually abusing them, bringing the total number to at least 18. meantime, a new york city children's charity, the fresh air fund confirms he hosted at least one child from the program at his home in the mid 90s. a neighbor of sandusky told him he called the attorney and the judge in this case asking that he be placed in protective

custody because his presence in the community is inflammatory. all of this follow sandusky's interview with bob e bob costas where for the first time we hear sandusky trying to explain his relationship with the boys he is accused of sexually molesting. >> i said i am innocent of those charges. >> completely innocent and falsely accused in every aspect? >> well, i could say that i have done some of those things. i have horsed around with kids. i have showered after workouts. i have hugged them and i have touched their legs. without intent of sexual contact. >> in a few moments we will talk more about sandusky's interview and what he told costas in the interview. we go live to state college, pennsylvania. this interview has been played

many places as you go online and you can see it with nbc as well. what are people saying to what we heard now? >> tamron, the people here on penn state campus are saying his comments are like salt to their wounds. they feel that this is extending the pain and shame they feel over the allegations already. in short, they are not buying his explanation buy and large from the people we spoke to here today. they are concerned this is going to go on and on and as you know this is going to continue because there more people coming forward and saying they too were molested by jerry sandusky. we also have heard from an e-mail where everyone has been talking about mike mcquery, the grad assistant who allegedly caught sandusky in the act of molesting the young boy. many people have been questioning why this 6'5" man did nothing and left.

he is questioning his friends where he say theed he did do the right thing and he did not just run away. he did try and stop what was going on. he said that the full truth is not out yet. that's something that will continue to go on as this investigation goes further into the future. >> allison, live on the campus of penn state. we assembled a special panel in that exclusive interview. talk show host michael smerconish and msnbc contributor kathleen cain. an attorney general in pennsylvania who prosecuted numerous cases and clint van zandt who is a former fbi profiler. clint, i want to play the clip where bob costas asked sandusky if he is a pedophile and here's his rely. ply. you sexually attracted to underage boys? >> i am sexually attracted to underage boys?

sexually attracted? i enjoy young people and love to be around them. but no, i'm not sexually attracted to young boys. >> what do you make of this answer? you studied sexual predators and you say we think we can spot this profile, but we cannot. you are the expert here. he repeats the question and pauses and said sexually attracted as if he is pondering it. i don't want to read too much into it. >> i don't think you are reading too much into it. you and i know what reality is and it speak to it quickly. if you hear someone pause and repeat the question again, it's like they are trying to think of an answer. if you know what reality is, if you say are you a sexual predator, you should not not only no, but hell no.

i would never do anything like that. he attempts to mitigate by coming up with reasons like i have touched kids and horsed around with them in the shower, but any of those answers to a trained investigator, you have to say this guy has something to hide. >> let me bring you in on this. bob asked sandusky about the eyewitness in all of this who said he walked into the shower and saw a child being raped. let me play that line of questioning. this all could come dun to a trial where the men who were boys were dragged in and had to tell the story. let's play it. >> i would say that's false. >> what would be his motive to lie? >> you would have to ask him that. >> what did happen in the shower the night that mike query happened upon you and the young boy? >> okay, we were showering and horsing around and he actually

turned all of the showers on and was sliding across the floor and we were as i recall possibly snapping a towel and horse play. >> this could all come down to mcquery's word versus sandusky's. this is so rare and i read so much articles to say there was an eyewitness involved and it was incredibly rare. how could it play out in court? >> it is incredibly rare. it will bolster the credibility of the victim. nine times out of 10, the prosecutor is faced with the testimony of the victim and you have to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt. there is a jury instruction that said the testimony of the victim alone if believed in a sexual assault case is enough to prove guilt beyond a reasonable doubt. it's very rare. >> you have the attorney for san dusky and he is making the

rounds and claims they may have found the boy who was allegedly sexually assaulted in the shower and he said the boy tells a different story and denies this happened. what is also disturbing to a lot of people, sandusky's attorney is saying that people who come out or some of the people who come out in the future accusing this man of assaulting them could be in it for the money. y want to play what he said and get your take on this. >> what's happening now in my opinion is we have a bunch of people who have read the allegations and realized there is a large university involved and there may be a lot of money involved in lawsuits that will certainly come. >> that's a heck of a strategy. that's your take? >> now he is attacking my profession. i have been a civil litigator for more than a decade and there might be the case of somebody looking for a payday, but my response is someone secretaried to that conduct at the hands of sandusky, they are entitled to a

pay out and ought to come out of the woodwork and assert their claim. in response to the attorney, i cannot believe he allowed san dusk to do that interview with bob costas. as i go through and i look at the answers to those questions, there all sorts of incriminating statements that are just shy of an admission. he said yeah, that was me. yes, i was in the shower with a boy and i was naked. we were horsing around, there was touching. i think it's really done damage to him. >> you have sandusky detailing what he said happening with the boy that was misunderstood and the attorney said they think they found the boy. sandusky said the boy turned on the showers and he knows a lot of detail and they are not sure of the boy? i said how many boys did you do this with with the shenanigans happening in there?

>> what he was doing there was a classic defense move. he was mine myselfing the situation and putting himself in the opportunity because he knows that everyone already saw him there. he is admitting to it to make himself look trustworthy and gain the trust of the public, but pulling back just when it gets to the truth. it's classic defense minimizing. that is what i have interviewed hundreds of child molester suspects and that is the number one move that the suspect does. >> quickly i want you to get in here with the profile and the attorney insists she innocent and they have a case to unfold. profile wise, a pedophile most people don't say they did it, but do they try to minimize or justify the interactions? >> they do, but we find predators, child molesters who have done this for not only years, but decades. they have hundreds if not thousands and one individual in

california had 35,000 documented victims that he had. in this particular case, sometimes a person feels so bulletproof and so above the law, they have done it so long, they don't realize how damaging they have been to the victims and make statements like michael was talking about. it puts them right in the middle of this. one last thing, the victims coming forward, that's the way you remove yourself from a victim status is you stand up and you face your person who molested you and say i'm going to stop you right here. that's what anyone who is a victim needs to do in this case and any other case. >> thank you for your time. great conversation there. right now, hundreds of occupy wall street protester are watching in manhattan and holding photocopies of a court order they say gives them the right to be there after they were forced to leave early this morning. metal barricades are block them

from getting inside where police and riot gear are standing lock. you can see in this video there literally throwing protesters out of the park over the barricades. the show of force follows a predawn raid when officers made dozens of arrests when forcing people to evacuate at the park owner's request. they removed sleeping bags and cleaned out for sanitation reasons to clean the area. >> they threw out everything. >> it's a smash and destroy everything. all my possessions i had on me. i had to get up and walk away. >> it's bigger than ever because all the police do is create this and made it bigger. they are foolish. >> a court order said protesters can return to the park. michael blam berg said they have the right to return, but cannot hold up camp there. what's the latest there? >> reporter: you are right.

at this point the legal argument seems to be prevailing to the protester side. we expect the judge to hear an appeal from the city around 3:00 this afternoon. it has been delayed for a couple of hours. the city is insisting letting them back in the park with their catching paraphernalia would be unand unsanitary. there have been complaints about them being here. the city even said they found evidence of stockpiles of weapons here, cardboard tubes with metal objects and hypodermic needles that are a threat to the authorities and the public safety here. at this moment it's a standoff. you can see behind me the situation is sort of calm now. again everyone is waiting for the ruling by this judge in an hour or so to see what will be the outcome. the police are surrounding the protesters and people who were camping out and hanging out and waiting to see what goes on. a lot more tension is these 200 people have been arrested.

at this point again no evidence of how this is going to end. tamron? >> let's bring in harrison schultz, a participant in the park. are you there? >> hi, tamron. >> you have a situation since monday. victims in oakland as well as in parks in portland, oregon and are the protesters worried that officials around the area are trying to figure out ways to get you out? >> i couldn't hear the last part of your question, but obviously the cleaning operation was a pretext. mayor quan's comments revealed the fact that this was a coordinated action and it was a really big mistake. history shows that people turn against politicians who make it impossible through laws in order for people to make their lives better. i'm expecting a bigger day of

mass action on the 17th than we had planned initially. >> that is the next big move on thursday? another big rally? >> i'm sorry. i can barely hear you. >> the next big move is thursday? this rally you have planned? >> yes. actions planned all day on thursday. morning, afternoon, and evening. you can find that on autopsy wall street.org. >> you are having trouble and we will check back in with you and the protesters on thursday. thank you, harrison. >> thank you. >> coming up. >> i am committed to working to create more jobs and improve schools and protect our seniors. >> wisconsin governor scott walker defens him and a new tv ad as dem strats launch an effort to recall walker. plus -- >> i do not agree with the way he handled it for the following

reason. that's a different one. >> what herman cain is saying after this awkward stumble in response to a question on libya. his camp said he was sleep-deprived. it's our "news nation" gut check. facebook.com/newsnation.

welcome back. opponents of wisconsin's governor launched a grass roots effort to force a recall next year. more than 100 are planned across the state as supporters try to collect more than a half million signatures to unseat the republican after pushing a controversial measure to strip them of collective bargaining rights.

that measure later passed. they have 60 days to gather signatures and if successful, it would be only the third recall election for a govern nor to be held in our nation's history. walker is not sitting by, but fighting back for a new round of campaign ads. >> i am committed to working together to create more jobs and improve our schools and protect our easterns. wisconsin's best days are yet to come. it won't happen overnight, but we are on the way. >> graham, thankses for your time. >> thanks for having me. >> how 12 going? >> we started after the stroke of midnight tonight and all over the state from places big and small. people couldn't wait to get scott walker and his lieutenant governor out of office. we already collected thousands of signatures and we expect a lot more. we think there is a huge effort.

>> about 9,000 a day. are you optimistic? what are you thinking? >> absolutely. what scott walker has done to wisconsin and the way he has his handout to special interests that are funding him is really creating a huge movement here. not just democrats and plenty of republicans and independents and a big group called united wisconsin. they got together to do this. this is a coalition that scott walker formed because people understand what's at stake and the wisconsin that we know and love. >> you have a number of organizations that are against united on this. as we played in the tv ad, govern norwalker has a defense wall that at least he is trying to put up. the republicans still control the statehouse there as well. this is going to be a tough effort if you are not successful. the nation is watching and unions are involved. this could be a big showing for democrats or a big failure. >> scott walker has his handout to raise unregulated sleazy

corporate cash. his party here has engaged in such dirty tricks, they are doing anything to stop it. >> i can't let you just say that. what do you mean by dirty tricks? >> they are threatening to recall workers and in the spring they ran phony democrats to extend the recall elections. he recalled himself and a supporter of his triggered the recall early to raise unregulated cash to hire felons to collect signatures against democrats in the spring. the government accountability board, the nonpartisan arm found hundreds if not thousands of instances on the republican side. scott walker himself was tape recorded admitting he would use dirty tricks and receive legislators to come and do what he wants. this is a guy who was kicked out of marquette's elections for dirty tricky and it starts at the top. we will force his recall.

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close to ten more victims have come forward to accuse jerry sandusky of abusing them. he is charged with eight young boys. a children's charity confirmed he hosted at least one child in the program at his home in the 90s. a neighbor told us sandusky's presence in the community is inflammato inflammatory. they are asked for he be freed on unsecured bail and put him in protective custody. national hockey league star, sheldon kennedy who was abused as a boy by his hockey coach in canada. thank you very much for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> we had you on the first day this broke. you said this was like murdering these children. these allegations if it is true, what happened to them. we are hearing from sandusky. what's your reaction? >> i did see the interview last night and i just -- the ego of

the pedophiles just blow me away every time i hear them. after listening to that, i was amazed by how he was able to operate at state under joe paterno for 15 years and be able to have all access to the penn state locker room and just listening to the guy talk. >> let me play a clip of what he had to say. san dusky and how he described his interaction with these children. let's play it. >> in retrospect i shouldn't have showered with those kids. >> that's it? >> that's what hits me the most. >> that's what hits him the most. he shouldn't have showered with the kids. the coach who abused you, did he try to justify his interaction and his abuse of you and others that way?

>> i think it's quite common in pedophilia that they justify that it was a consensual and it's all about love and it's really twisted. graham did one grew, the coach up here did one interview. he was land basted for it. they have a lot of ego and think they can get away with everything. the pedophiles i know. they can't stay away from the media spotlight. that interview that i saw didn't do him any favors. absolutely. >> the attorney for sandusky said this morning that one of the boys who accused him of sexually abusing him came to sandusky's house and even brought over his new baby with his girlfriend and they said sandusky had dinner recently with two boys and they allege he

was abusing them. he still has interaction with these kids and if the allegations were true, why would they still be around him? >> i think that's the tough part. i think there is a power and that power imbalance. i think that they are so ingrained in one another's lives. i know that in my case once the changes were laid, there was no further contact. that i'm not quite getting, but i know that the way that the pedophiles want it to work is that the victims are the only person in their life that they can go to as the perpetrator. they push away everybody else in that circle. they really create that on one and the only person that this young kid can go to that's got

any type of influence or father-type figure in his live is the pedophile. that's the way they like it. >> before i let you go, does this open the wounds for you to see the stories that maybe in some way similar to what happened to to you? >> i feel for the kids. i think what bothers me the most is listening to how in that interview it was just kind of sloughed off as horse play or just in the shower. that is not just in the shower or just horse play. that's sexual abuse. that is very harmful to our young people. that's what gets me is that nonrecognition of the damage that is happening here by these individuals that choose to abuse kids. >> thank you for your time and we appreciate you coming on to talk with us. thank you.

>> i appreciate it. thank you. >> does a day really make a difference. 24 hours after herman cain was asked if he agreed with president obama on libya -- cain was back at it telling a group of supporters a few hours ago that national security is a top priority. >> i want to lead this nation with your help. back to the top of the hill of the hill where it belongs and help you put united back into the united states of america and as your president, i will never apologize for the greatness of the united states of america. >> meantime a poll shows he is hanging in there in iowa despite everything that happened with his campaign. nbc director joins me. rick perry's strategy was to go funny and herman cain's comments

to potential voters went tough. is either strategy going to work at this point? >> we just don't know. yesterday's video of herman cain not having that kind of phrase on libya was absolutely brutal. it confirmed a narrative about cain that one, he doesn't know a lot about foreign policy and two, he hasn't been that serious of a presidential candidate. we recall he spent more time promoting his book than in the states of iowa and new hampshire. >> i will play just a little. i know people have seen this, but let's play a little bit of the cain stumble on libya. >> libya. president obama supported the uprising, correct? i do not agree with the way he handled it for the following reason. no, that's a different one. i have to go back.

all this stuff swirling around in my head. >> they asked about it and i guess he looked at andrew and said 9-9-9 and walked away. it's our gut check whether or not people believe he was sleep-deprive and what evidence is there that he does not have a grasp with foreign policy? >> there is a lot of evidence with that and there was just on policy with the debate held with the republican candidates. cain didn't come off all that well and performed better than that one video had. several times in other debates, he would rely on experts and foreign policy advisers when it comes to foreign policy. this has never been his strong suit. thing that has is a double-edged sword that you don't have the grasp or the material on a complicated issue that someone like a sitting united states senator and even a governor

would have in running for president. >> the issue of sleep deprived, we ve people tweeting saying when you are the president you get the call at 3:00 and 4:00 a.m. and you will not have the nine hours of sleep like a lot of people should have daily when you are the president. you don't get that. >> right. >> greatly appreciate it. >> a touching message from gabrielle giffords in a facebook posting. she told constituents she wants to get back to work. >> i'm getting stronger. i'm getting better. it's been a hard year. . >> the congresswoman's office said the message was recorded in houston. she has been under going intensive therapy there. since she was shot in the head months ago in the shopping mall in tucson. she talked about her struggle in an interview that aired on abc last night. >> how do you feel? >> pretty good.

pretty good. >> i can see that your right hand, you move a lot more. is it painful? is it hard? >> it's difficult. difficult. difficult. >> despite her intensive rehab in houston, she has been able to return to tucson twice for private fund-raisers. a man who made a 9-year-old child drive him home because he was drunk will go to trial. that tops the news. a detroit area judge said he should face second-degree child abuse charges. his daughter testified about driving her father's van and said her dad consumed a half bottle of whisky and she agreed to drive, but felt a little scar scared. another girl survived for two days in the wreckage of her father's car. jordan and her dad were seen here at a local gas station playing scratch off and buying snacks and moments later the car

went into a ditch killing her father and leaving jordan tre trapped. this child survived on pop tarts and gatorade. >> the wikileaks founder took his fight to the supreme court. the 40-year-old filed an application. he is wanted in sweden on rape charges. >> warning lawmakers about devastating consequences if the super committee fails to meet the debt reduction deadline. he is testifying today and the committee has just eight days to broker a deal that would slash the deficit. in a letter, secretary panetta said fail tower reach a deal would mean cuts to the defense budget and lower troop levels. i'm joined by military analyst and recipient of the congressional medal of honor. it's good to have you on. some people say that the secretary's language is over the

top and apocalyptic. why shouldn't the military be looked at? >> it should be looked at. there a lot of line items that need to be cut, but if the committee can't reach agreement on what needs to be cut, the across the board cuts will adversely affect the line items that should not be cut as much as others. leon panetta's talk while apocalyptic is right on the money, agencies have been asked what the organizations will look like with across the board cuts. some of them are dangerous. >> the pentagon faces $500 billion in reductions over ten years if the panel does not make the deal here. in this letter he said the automatic cuts would at up to 23% reduction in the first year alone, 2013. that's a part of the terms he said. this is dooms day and the list goes on and on. you have obviously a divide.

republicans not wanting to see any cuts here. the president is saying he would not accept any legislation that tries to undo the automatic cuts. some lawmakers are looking for a way around this and the president is saying no go on this. >> the congress may have its own way. it's important they reach an agreement. it's the easiest thing to cut. personnel size was going to get small in any case. these automatic cuts because you can save money in this year, those are going to be deeper. i don't think that we can operate a country with 310 million people and all of our obligations worldwide with a force that is 1.5 million people. >> here's an easy thing then. we don't need the obligations around the world. >> that's true except for a lot of the obligations detectly affect their own security. it's very easy to get isolationists and to close in on

yourself as recalled back in world war ii when it was ten years before we got involved in new york. we were sad we didn't get involved earlier. it's important that we can aim the measure and at the end of the day,y we are not going to do it all. some young soldiers are going to have to stand. >> colonel jack jacobs, thank you for your reaction. this latest is tough going. >> it will be close. >> we will see how it is. up next on news in addition -- michael j.foxx rocks out to johnny b. goode. the sneak peek on where he performed. here are things we thought you should know. the white house is making female voters a top priority, launching

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brain freeze. give him a break. there was a lot twirling around in his head. we visit tiffany and company to ask voters what they think of the king of bling. newt gingrich. now back to miss t. >> thank you, marty. the trailer for hunger games draws strange reaction from fans. # the single again if you are single too. courtney has let is here today. good to see you. what is hunger games? #. >> it's going to be one of the biggest movie series to come. >> bigger than twiilate? # it's based on the best selling game #.

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that's michael j.foxx rocking johnny b. goode that brings us back to our teenage years. you weren't around. >> i was. everyone remembers marty mcfly. amazing. >> great to see him healthy. last but not least, pippa middleton. >> she is single again. she had a lot of on and off with her boyfriend for about a year. they have been fighting according to britain sun. she is officially on the market. looking for a sporty guy. >> what are does that mean? >> she likes athletes. as soon as she gets over her heartache which she is heartbrok heartbroken, she will be back on the market. guys, watch out. >> how do you mend a broken heart. martin bashir has a reggae band and maybe he will play for us.

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nation" gut check. you have seen what is called the cain freeze. a play on brain freeze. watching herman cain struggling to find a answer about libya is unforgettable. they said the interview was taken out of context and he answered 30 minutes of questions from the milwaukee journal sentinel and working on four hours of sleep when he lost his train of thought. the newspaper said cain offered to drop by for the interview between fund-raisers. do you believe herman cain's staff when they say he was suffering for a lack of sleep? go to "news nation" to cast your vote and we will have the

results to take a look at what the "news nation" is saying about yesterday's gut check. should the judge who granted jerry san desky have recused herself because she was part of the charity he started. 99% said yes and 2% no. that does it for this edition of "news nation." i'm tamron hall. martin is up next. i've seen this before -- the old "impromptu in-law visit." dad's a real cleaning machine. and look at mom whipping up some kraft homestyle mac & cheese. sure it's easy to make, but it looks like she's been busting her hump in the kitchen. [ doorbell rings ] ♪ let the fireworks begin. hi, it's so nice to see you. something smells good. [ male announcer ] kraft homestyle macaroni & cheese. cheesy noodles topped with golden-brown, breadcrumbs. you know you love it.

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good afternoon. it's tuesday, november 15th and here's what's happening. the circus comes to town. the elephants all in a line. >> this is a wild one. >> who are will be the ringmaster? >> i was swirling around. >> in this high wire act. >> let's see. i can't. the third one i can't. i'm sorry. oops. >> the greatest show on earth. >> good grief. >> or a clown car out of control.