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and rebecca trace is the author of big girls don't cry. nancy giles is a contributor to cbs sunday morning. and making his debut, eli lake, news reporter from "the daily newsweek." today we are going to discuss weather, president obama gets a bad rap from liberals. but i want to start off just because it is the saturday after the day after thanksgiving, which is now called black friday, which has just become a thing in a way that i didn't -- i used to think it was a creation and now it feels like a cultural phenomenon. >> it was not there when we were growing up. >> it was a little bit. it was kind of like kickoff the shopping season after thanks giving. >> but it was down here, and now in los angeles a woman used pepper spray to gain a competitive shopping advantage soon after the walmart open there had. and circulating on the internet yesterday was this whole genre

of videos taken at the virginia mall. these people flooding into stores. and get this, this was, i think, the most interesting black friday deal that was offered. the official barack obama twitter account got in on the action offering campaign swag at a 10% discount. that really didn't make me sad. i mean, look, i understand the day after -- the way that this is structured in terms of merchandise, is that everything you buy is actually a donation, it is recorded as a donation, and the thing you purchase from the campaign is a trinket, it has been a very useful means to raise money, small-dollar donations, i get it so i get it, but yet that single tweet really is found to be super sad. >> those of you hurting this season, we'll offer you key changes at a 10% discount. >> how would you feel if you got an obama campaign trinket for

hanukkah. >> it obviously depends on who is giving it to you and what your politics are. >> i'll tell you what really bothers me, just veering off the obama thing now, is seeing this film -- it always seems to be at a walmart. it is always a certain kind of shopper that might not have that much money. and it is hard for me to wrap my mind around people pepper spraying, trampling people to death, a security guard was killed at a wal-mart a couple year ago trying to protect the pregnant lady as the crowd surgeried. everybody is racing for the electronics and the games -- it is gross. it is like a strange sort of snuff film that i'm watching. >> the places offering the discounts are the walmart, the big box stores are the corporations. and there's a class divide, they are like the people who -- there was an interesting story in "the new york times" posted last night about that class divide, the wealthier shoppers and the high-end retailers don't even bother to offer the discounts.

so it is places like walmart, so there's a class divide who is doing the shopping, but then there's also these giant corporations that are just bringing those hordes of people in. >> yeah, i look at this from the boring perspective from the economics and the consumer. isn't this materialistic? haven't we just been through the worst recession in the decade? with the 9% unemployment that's the wrong thing. every time i see the consumer spending jumping up i think, great. >> but there are -- i think there's sort of these sh i understand that perspective on that and i share that as well because the economy does need demand and economic activity and the purchases atest buy are jobs for people working and the holiday season. and i also feel the same way as you, conflicted the ch in watching the spectacle. there's something really awful and ugly happening here.

at the same time being like, people don't have a lot of money and are trying to get deals. you know, screw you, tv hosts, for looking down your nose. >> on the internet, you can order things online now. >> there's a whole new day for that, apparently. i think it is monday. >> computer riots. >> just to give a plug to small business saturday, that's what today is, i like the idea of going and supporting small businesses. and i agree, i like the thought that maybe this is a boost to the economy. it's just, it is depressing. the richer stores, the wealthier clientele, they are raising prices, i think. >> that's because wealthier customers are able to pay full price. >> and that's part of what we are seeing here that's so interesting about the post-crisis economy, there really are two economies. and you see that in new york and around -- >> one question is that we have been talking about this building and building over the years. some people could be doing this because they need the deals. some people may be doing it

because it is a cultural phenomenon. >> it is like the flash mob. >> it is an identifying cultural thing. and the difference between how we may have remembered it from decades ago, which is sort of if you didn't do it, get the shopping season started or whatever. it is a shared thing. and now it is you go in this direction if you are in this class and you are going in that direction if you are in that class and you are on tv -- now it is complete ly different. >> here's the thing about the christmas shopping season that i toy with. if there were no christmas in american consumer culture, would it be the case that we would have the same amount of consumption just spread evenly over the 12 months or would there be less consumption? does the existence of christmas actually induce americans to purchase more than if christmas and the holidays of hanukkah didn't exist? >> if it's the substance abusement, i have an idea for another segment, the second christmas.

>> that's right. >> if it works -- >> that's something you can get the republicans on board with. >> are you really going to fight a war on christmas or on the second kris xmas? >> i want to talk about the barack obama legacy and whether liberals' discontent with barack obama is real or justified or they are just whining. that's right after this. couriey of whether bovine heart tissue can make it from australia to a u.s. lab to a patient in time for surgery may seem like a trumped-up hollywood premise. ♪ but if you take away the dramatic score... take away the dizzying 360-degree camera move... [ tires screech ] ...and take away the over-the-top stunt, you're still left with a pretty remarkable tale. but, okay, maybe keep the indulgent supermodel cameo... thank you. [ male announcer ] innovative medical solutions. fedex. solutions that matter. ♪ i think i'm falling ♪ i think i'm falling [ male announcer ] this is your moment. ♪ for you

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♪ a little bit happening in manchester this week. president obama got mike checked on tuesday. take a look. >> before i came to school on tuesday i had -- i had coffee.

>> mr. president -- >> there are 4,000 people -- >> all right. no, no, that's okay. young people like the ones here today, including the ones who were just chanting at me, you're the reason i ran for office in the first place. >> that moment when the mike check was happening and fired up and ready to go, which was an an mated cry in 2008, was used to chant down wall street. it was a very intense symbolic moment between 2008 and 2012, this is like the first time that a president was protested by those on the left. quote, liberals are dissatisfied

with so obama because liberals on the whole are incapable of feeling satisfied with a democratic president. they can be happy with the idea of the democratic president indeed dancing in the streets delirious, but not with the real thing. rebecca, you heard chomping at the bit. they were fired up. >> this article is very interesting and i agree with him on a lot of stuff, but there's wiping about the president and then there's whining about whining about the president. which is -- i'm glad that we have a history in which democratic presidents have been questioned and pushed from the left. and i'm glad one of the funniest comparisons chase makes between liberal activism and the sort of monte python life of buy brian in which every group of liberal protests involves 1,000 people yelling at each other in this decent, and i'm reading it and saying i'm glad that's what liberal activism is like and sort of thought, maybe it is not so good strategically.

it is not that bad. look at the social movements in the past 100 years right with descent. the gay rights movement, look at the achievements of the presidents he listed from roosevelt through obama and what's been done during them. i don't think a culture of descent and questioning is bad for democratic politicians or activism. >> on the issue that i know best, which has national security, that president obama largely weighed a war on terrorism with the same authorities bush and cheney waged. and i think there's two kinds of response, a glenn response which says this guy is just as bad as cheney as a war criminal, but there are liberals who forgot that critique, that kind of came up under the bush years. and in that respect i think it says something about a progressive national security agenda, which has how do you craft the world as opposed to criticism that appears --

>> you are a fantastic national security reporter and you take no small amount of joy on your tweeter feed, particularly poking liberals who for their sort of pre-obama i dealism which now confronted with the hard realities of the world and obama is doing these things they were criticizing bush for, he says, look, you live in the real world. it dove tails with the critique that the liberals criticizing obama are unrealistic and are not firmly planted in reality. and i actually disagree with that, but ezra you seem like you want to say something. >> i would take a larger look at this. chance's big point is unlike liberals conservatives have the authority-driven respect that the president is much more willing to fall in line behind them. gallup has a tool called the presidential approval center where you can approve and compare the ratings of the presidents. this is what i do when i wake

up. just look, you can get out republican and democrats. i looked at obama compared to a republican-approved president. he's higher than john f. kennedy and senate republicans for reagan. the only one who beats him is george w. bush after 9/11. before 9/11 he was a little below him. some of it is the parties becoming more ideological. but in some ways liberals always think the other side is much more willing to fall in line than they are. and the other side is they have weird projections. >> this view is shared by the white house. i talk to people in the white house who say you have a right wing media beating up on the president and you have a left-wing media beating up on the president. >> it feels like that. >> here's my thing, my major problem with the left of left progressives, some of them are

good friends of mine, is there doesn't seem to be a rellistic realistic understanding of how politics work. is there a voter registration program going on there? are you registered to vote, are you going to vote or willing to run for office? because, really, all politics are local. and if i never really realized that before, i know it now. and i don't think that a lot of people understand the process in which this really happens. >> i think there's an important distinction here between criticism and strategic advice, okay? i agree, i have grown weary of the genre constantly offering the president strategic advice on how to frame political arguments. some they are cool and smart, but sometimes they are not. at the end of the day, i don't have an advantage for coming up with political strategy. i didn't get anyone elected president. so i think that's sort of the strange genre to say, he should be getting this kind of speech. it is a hard thing to do, run for president and maintain

ratings. the place where liberal criticism is valuable and important and necessary is along with rebecca was saying, which is making substantive arguments against bad policies. i want to read you this comment from bob herbert who has been on the show quite a bit from july 1993 directed at bill clinton about his don't ask don't tell. there is some question now as to whether there is any principle for which bill clinton will fight. there is some question as to whether there is anything in which truly believes. he should have shut his mouth and said it was the best he could get, no, dadt is a bad policy. >> this perhaps has led to the conversations we are having now that are leading to changes down the road. and it feels like a giant sort of -- i'm trying to think of a non-offensive term, but it feels

useless to get our wheels spinning right now, but i believe it is making pushes for the future. >> go ahead. >> i want to bring up a political question which is right now your point about how the left-wing media and right-wing media are equally attacking the president -- >> i was channelling the white house's complaint. >> there's something to that, but by the time the republicans gets a nominee, whenever that is, they will find the narrative will be something like, yeah, i know you are disappointed with barack obama, but if you elect mitt romney or newt gingrich, believe me, it will be an all-out war on people and minorities. >> we'll see a repolarization. >> i think it will kind of get back to that, which is the same thing with george w. bush. >> it is the approval ratings remaining relatively constant for every president and party. that is what you are saying, if there's discussion or critique, that's support, ultimately. >> i'm going to let you respond to that right after this. we need to take a break. and were going on vacation, so i used my citi thank you card to pick up some accessories.

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we are discussing whether liberals are disappointed with their president. jonathan chase argued that in his magazine. i want to bring in data here, which we hate to do. the polling on this is interesting. so the president's overall approval rating is 44%. among democrats it is 78%, which is quite high. interestingly, it is a little lower among liberals, 9% among liberals, 69%. for a while there was a disconnect between the perceived amount of dissension in the rank among the liberals and the actual amount, because the polling would show higher levels of approval, but i think that has changed a little bit. i think there's genuine dissatisfaction and a lot of that is with the broader state of the economy. liberals are bummed out about the fact the economy is in a bad place. nancy, you were going to respond

to something there. >> the interesting thing about don't ask don't tell and the discontent on what clinton established helped to make it happen, but i'll tell you what's funny, i had friends angrier at president obama for not ending don't ask don't tell immediately than they were at bill clinton for establishing it. and that just seemed to me to be -- i keep going back to melissa harris' piece in the nation about the racial aspect of expectations on obama's part. so i found some comfort in the article in that there has been this tradition of, it is not good enough, it's not good enough, but that was hard for me to swallow. >> just to clarify the point, they were angrier in this moment now or do you mean back in 1983 they were -- that's part of -- >> they were more angry at him for things he had accomplished than they were that things president clinton didn't accomplish. angry about the health care policy that got through than the fact that clinton was not able

to get anything through. >> i think partly that's the sort of -- and they make this argument in the article. liberals talk about great society, but every liberal in the universe was in the streets furious at the war criminal that was lbj per pursuing the vietnam war. >> on the health care point, bill clinton had 5.4% unemployment. he then lost 54 house seats. barack obama had 9% unemployment, lost 63. there was reason that people were quite unhappy with bill clinton and much beyond where barack obama was, but one thing that gets overlooked in these conversations is that republicans are very unhappy and liberals are unhappy with obama or many of them have been, we don't talk enough about congress as a media, as a political system. we talk almost entirely about the president, as if politics is, in fact, an episode of the west wing and we are just

looking to cast a right jim bart let to fission everything. the american people are unhappy with politics no matter who is in charge, the democrats having all three branches of government, i'm sorry, all of congress and the white house. they don't like that and then bring in the republicans. congressional approval is at 9%, equal with the american approval for event someday louisiana's president hugo chavez. we don't talk about congress as much as we should. >> i just wrote a piece -- actually, not about a president but about elizabeth warren and the high incredible idealization. with obama there's extra idealization have to do with racialized ideas and expectations. i think we had a different perception of the fall if it were john kerry. i don't think there was super high expectations with john kerry, was the level of satisfaction identical?

we wouldn't feel like we were falling from such a high place. >> responding to congress, i also think it is important to sort of be specific about what you're critiquing. which is why i think in some ways the green-walled school of critique of the president is the most persuasive because actually the liberals tend to focus on the domestic policy issues and the compromise there, but there's much less compromise in congress with the fear of civil liberties, the war they waged. the president has not been liberal. most national security reporters say much if not most of what happened has represented continuity with the point of the previous administration. and there's a place when you can't point to congress and say, he's making these deals because he has to get it through congress. likewise, something i have covered a bit on the program is home mortgage modifications. there was a hemp fund, $50 billion, passed through t.a.r.p. the president had the money. thyme geithner had the money to make modifications and failed to do so. i think you have to sort of

distinguish between places where he's cutting legislative deals to get things through and where he does actually have more full authority. >> i want to say one thing about the clinton/obama comparison. clinton came in office at a moment when the country had settled on the center/right consensus. clinton ended welfare as we know it. he's a democrat but he has in terms of his policy accomplishments things you would associate more with the right. obama comes in office at a moment of crisis when the center ranking may have broken down. people are talking about the new realignment. and some of the disappointment might be, i think, among liberals could be they don't necessarily see that new realignment of him and it is really very much up in the air. which is why the 2012 election will be interesting because the themes this time are really very much up for grabs in a way that we have not seen for the last 30 years. >> let me respond to that for a second because we vauchb conversations about this. right after obama was elected

there was a news article written, and when people talk about this we talk about it in a fuzzy way. we have a small seeking political system that makes it hard to do big new things. it is not an all clear that the american people have extremely strong opinions for or against things like universal health care and medicare. if we had a different political system that one of the six or seven presidents that got elected on universal health care would have done it and we wouldn't have the big differences in the wealth state premier. we have a tendency to contribute a lot of things to public opinion that are orthodox to our political system, for better for worse. >> i think that's a very good point, but i would say this. for the first time in this particular news cycle we are seeing, we are seeing a conversation nationally among republicans and democrats about incoming in". when was there's a time we talked about that?

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put up. and you are seeing that in occupy wall street. it is interesting to present this challenge for the democratic party to figure out how they're going to react to that, whether they are going to embrace it or keep it -- this is an interesting e-mail that went out from nancy pelosi in reference to a story we had broken here last week about a memo written by a lobbyist firm staffed by former boehner staffers proposing $850,000 campaign of opposition research against occupy wall street. and we were handed this memo and we talked about it quite a bit. this is nancy pelosi sort of attempting to raise money off this story, and the subject is we have the smoking gun. if you need further proof that congestion nalg republicans are putting big wall street banks before middle class families, look no further than the explosive memo prepared by former boehner staffers turned banking lobbyists.

this message war planned to attack and discredit grassrootsds exits en groups accountable. you made the interesting point that the three words that do not appear in this e-mail are occupy, wall and street. i think this is the perfect example of this awkward dance that occupy wall street insist that is the institutionalized party has with the channeling of this sort of liberal and left progressive dissatisfaction into something concrete. it has made this problem clearly defined. it is interesting to see them muddle their way through. >> democrats have been raising a lot of money from wall street for some time now. and it's -- it is not going to wash. both parties raise money from wall street. >> that doesn't mean -- agree with you, but that doesn't mean they are postured equally. >> i challenge the premise, which i don't think there's a

monolisk wall street agreement. i think they battle every day in the halls of congress and oftentimes it is more complicated to understand what corporate interests are and how they play out. big companies that have already done environmental technology are in favor of environmental epa regulations enforced on other companies that fail to make the investments. so you have the situation where the premise that there's one gigantic corporate interest, i think, is wrong. >> well, let me disagree with that a bit. you have six banks essentially six investment bank holding companies accounting for a line share of the banking market. they are all essentially too big to fail right now. you have finances as a percentage of corporate profits on the eve of the crash at 40%. you have finance taking a larger and larger share of the national pie of just profits, right? so you actually have a distinct thing, which has the finance industry. and that finance industry has grown massively and also in the

center of the crisis. so finance, yes, big companies battle over things like the debit swipe war and essentially banks and retailers going at each other. bank of america on one side and walmart on the other. there's no good guy in the battle. >> and these two things can be happening at the same time. large corporations can battle each other -- this is more largely true, the smaller parts of questions on regulation and swipe fees, while they are more or less united on the idea of not wanting an increase in the financial sector, i think in general the intracorporate law tends to happen on getting amendments and parts of bills changed, but the big sort of battles chris is talking about is will there be health reform. you tend to find groups like the chamber of commerce and the american bankers association, they come out with trade groups in the single states.

>> the question of disappointment is if you look at domestic policy, it is hard from the left perspective, liberal perspective, to look at the priorities domestically and disagree with them in terms of what the objectives were in the democratic congress when it had control of wrong and the white house. the objection is much more, i think, on what happens when those corporate lobbyists and when the disfunkal congress get their hands on it. >> and nancy pelosi had a much more industrialized agenda, she wanted to tax the risk and claw back banker bonuses. the congressman from virginia made this point, the house was much more in touch with the populist moment that was choked out by the senate. she in some ways has more credibility on this, even if i don't think that's publicly acknowledged that harry reid or barack obama would. >> and that house passed an unbelievable round of legislation, including the cap and trade bill, which was left

to die. >> i just have to say two things. nancy pa low sea was so much better a speaker than john boehner can ever hope to, but and yet he was on the cover of every magazine you soul saw all over the place which he got the job, which annoyed me to no end. >> i think it annoyed her as well. since we had her on the program -- >> the other thing to ezra is you in the last break brought up the west wing, and i have always maintained part of the reason the outwar lost because of my left liberal friends is they were so obsessed with west wing, they were hypnotized. there's no problem because there is just not enough of an uproar as that election went to the supreme court. it is like we were hypnotized. >> to make a final point and button this up, i think speaking for myself, one of the things that happens when you have a democratic president, it's like running an experiment in which you change the independent

variable. when you are running the experiment with the bush administration you say what's wrong with the country, there's this thing, the bush regime, and it is doing terrible things. that's what's wrong where the country. then you swap out the independent variable and put in a new president and say what's wrong with our country? well, it can't be the fact -- it can't be barack obama because i margely trust him and think he's incredibly short and shared my values, yet the country is dysfunctional. that precipitates the more radical analysis. i have experienced this through the first two years of the presidency to say, okay, maybe it is not just the president or the party in charge but something deeper about the way the american political system functions. once you get there you get to a more radical place and i think it is a place that, you know, that a lot of the country is in. you and i were talking in the makeup room about this about family members that you sort of wouldn't expect being sympathetic to occupy wall street being sympathetic because people feel the system is fundamentally broken.

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if you've had enough, ask your dermatologist about enbrel. so republican presidential candidates hit the stage this week for the second debate to focus on foreign policy. and there couldn't have been a better time for it. deadly protests in egypt, a debt crisis in europe, the pentagon facing billions of dollars in cuts the next ten years, developments in iran and syria. somehow the git worked its way to the more familiar forefront of domestic policy. and when immigration came up at one point, a very interesting moment a lot of people keyed in on. frontrunner newt gingrich endorsed amnesty as republicans call it. take a listen. >> if you have come here recently with no ties to this country, go home, period. if you have been paying taxes and obeying the law, you belong to a local church, i don't think

we'll separate you from your family, uproot you forcefully and kick you out. the party says the party of the family is going to destroy families that have been here a quarter century. and i'm prepared to take the heat for saying let's be humane in enforcing the law without giving them sit zen ship but finding a way to create legality so they are not separated from their family. >> this is fascinating for a few reasons. i agree with him, go newt, second of all, it was like he had the 2.0 version of the rick perry answer that got him in trouble. he sort of learned some of the lessons. >> or he doesn't want to be president. i saw him say that and was like, i am not the first person to notice newt gingrich has not campaigned like a man who is not pursuing the nomination with vigor, but suddenly he's the latest one to be leading the pack.

in the first debate which he's the leader, everyone is like he'll be the candidate, by the way, i don't want to break up families, which is what killed the last guy. >> or it's the other way around. >> he is throwing the game. >> or he does want to be president. you can argue he's making a general election play. there's a couple times mitt romney said i'm not worried about the rich. you have to be clear on what newt going river said, he didn't say amnesty or wanting the bush immigration plan. he's for red carding saying they can never become citizens and become a second class of guest workers. and that is great for the business community. it won't hurt him in raising money, but it is not humane. folks on the right and left have pretty serious concerns about the idea of creating a permanent second class in this country of folks who just will never share in being american but also sort of aren't illegal. >> and the politics of this are so interesting.

eliu, go ahead. >> don't forget the three-legged stool, one leg is the interest of the republican party. they have always been for something like amnesty or red carding guest workers. the wall street journal editorial page has not waivered on this. >> i saw allen greenspan testify on behalf of it. >> yes. so there are those people that at least give money. >> right. so you're saying, this is the cynical interpretation, he was just pandering to a different audience. >> i think immigration is one of the issues where you have a divide within the republican ranks but the louder part of that debate has been the one no am necessity or immigration. those are the ones with political momentum, but there are still other republicans on the other side of it. >> quietly -- i'll tell you what happened when i heard newt gingrich saying that. i immediately thought, oh, he's got someone working for him that's been working for 25 years and has three kids and is trying to cover his basis.

>> and goes to his church. >> exactly. >> i was joking before when i said he was trying to throw his game, but there's a bigger impact in regrounding the issue if you are a republican and saying it is a fundamental party of your values. i think this will have lasting impact. >> i want to play this romney response just because to close the loop on this because the fact of the matter is romney has carved out immigration, it is sort of a devious and genius strategy because he has to worry about the right wing. he will get to the right of everyone in immigration. that's the issue where he'll court the base. anytime anyone mentions something a little soft or squishy on immigration, you see him light up like, boom, this is what happens. >> i just think we make a mistake as a republican party to try to describe which people, who have come here illegally, should be given am necessary toy to jump ahead of the line and the people who have been waiting

in line. my view is those people who have waited in line patiently to come to this country legally should be ahead in line. and those who have come here illegally shouldn't be given a special deal or special accelerated right to become a permanent resident or sit zen. we didn't describe somebody been here 20 years, how about 12, 10, 5, 3? how many children do you have to have to apply this principle? he didn't describe that. >> mitt romney going after newt gingrich on who gets special rights. there was another debate on terrorists. we'll talk about that after this break. i habe a cohd.

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at this week's debate. there was fred kagan, one of many who were constantly add voe tating and then david addington. >> please give us your name and your organization. >> david addington, the vice president of the heritage foundation. >> mr. addington got some applause from the crowd there. can i just say something about david addington? david addington was probably the mother most legal mind in the bush administration. i think all the reporting has shown that. jay maynor has done great reporting on this. who was master minding the most extremist positions on what the government could do. he guided john you up -- same as

organ failure -- would be legal under u.s. law. he was the master mind behind pushing through the entire sort of regime without which in the beginning, until the supreme court overruled, denied the most basic rights to contest imprisonment to contest and i think ths a good case cob made that he is guilty of violating u.s. law and should be held to account and here he is at this debate along with a bunch of other people responsible for this travesty of iraq being treated like any other think tanker to ask questions and i found it absolutely appalling and cnn given it's -- to it, there is no level at which anyone associated with the policies put in place by that regime, i'm sorry, administration, had to pay any

kind of social cost. any sort of, you know, not getting invited to parties cost, which is an important thing, actually. people sort of think about their lives as human beings. they have not had to pay that cost. and to me, that was a really remarkable moment. >> you're putting me on the spot. >> first of all, in a democratic society, they pay the ultimate cost. after the first bush administration, most of these people found jobs outside of the administration, so you saw the change of power. second of all -- you saw an enormous kind of media war. they were roundly criticizing almost all corners of the press with the exception of the conservative media and as far as addington goes and his interpretation of authority, that was only scaled back a little bit in the second term

when they said that the what's known as the 914 war resolution was the ability -- the authorization for the use of military force for denying habeous and that remains true for the obama administration justice department. ben rhodes, if you were to ask him now, how do you justify holding the people you have in guantanamo and he would say the authorization of the military. >> all the more reason addington's effect is more agreenlgous. the ultimate cost is power. that's not true. it's being put in jail. in our democracy -- >> i'm not suggesting that. >> there -- if you violate the law and there are people you know all over this country, who violate the law in all sorts of ways and face criminal sanctions. so, being voted out of the

office is totally a bummer and having to transfer if the office of president to a heritage foundation is also a buller. >> i don't see how an interpretaon of the law, a legal memo disadpreeed as the same as graft or violated laws. in the sense that after 9/11, it's obvious the bush administration panicked. felt it had no intelligence on al-qaeda. what were the rules of interrogation? the rules interpreted by addington looked excessive and extreme. but at the time, they believed they were doing the best they can to interpret the law. >> people do things all the time in circumstances that break law and then later look extreme and they still have to face, they have to answer for their actions and accountability. speaking of accountability.

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good morning from new york i'm chris hayes here with analyst and "washington post" ezra klein, nancy jiles and eli lake from newsweek and "the daily beast" and a fantastic national security reporter. it's day eight of a renewed prot protest in cairo and elsewhere in egypt. since last friday, protesters have been in tahrir square. at least 41 civilians have been killed. 2,000 have been wounded. the new regime run by the

supreme command of the force is mubarak. especially since now mubarak's former prime minister protesters are demanding skap step down and turn the transition government over to a civilian government, but the army is defiant. we appear to be witnessing the second chapter of egypt's uncompleted revolution. this weekend, skaf said that monday's elections are going to go on as scheduled and this despite call frs the protesters call for the election to be postponed, for the military to step aside. eli, you cover national security and have had your eye on the arab spring and particularly the american government's response to it. we're going to talk in jaus moment from a journalist from europe because i think it has been difficult for american audiences to make sense of it.

but what has been interesting is the sort of dicesy navigation that the americans have in relating. what is that relationship between the white house and skaf look like? >> well, you have a more than 30-year relationship between the u.s. military and egyptian military where egyptian military can't do anything without the u.s. supplying it with spare parts and a subsidy of about $2 billion a year since the peace accord with egypt and that's been a good investment because it gives the united states visibility in the national security state of e jipg, but has seen as one of the reasons to have kept the peace. the bad new ss that egypt's been a military dictatorship and still is and the united states is basically subsidizing it. the interest of the obama white house is now clear running at

odds with the interest of the u.s. client relationship with egypt. >> i thought this was interesting because we've seen serlly since march when mubarak fell, there have been protests at different times peaking in july and now again. and the white house has sort of more or less stood by. the white house put out a statement i believe yesterday where they said we believe the full transfer of power must take place in a just and inclusive manner that responds to the aspirations of egyptian people. a transition to a civilian government is the demand of the protesters in tahrir. this is the white house essentially side wg the p protesters. >> we don't know yet. there's parliamentary elections that will take place over the course of the month.

we still don't know when the presidential elections will be and at what point what is the military's role going to be in the new egypt. what is clear is that the skaf wanted to delay those elections and the u.s. is saying they should not do it. this is a very risky situation right now because you don't know what's going to end up in a free election in europe. tir nas majorities elected. you could see people voting for parties, liberal and undemocratic. if that happens, does that lead you to a better place than before mubarak was in power? >> joining us from cairo, ether. thank you for joining us. >> you're welcome. >> will you provide a little bit of context? i think americans are a little confused as we so often are and just, if you were to sketch out

sort of -- >> situation. >> it's like we're coming back into the movie after 45 minutes and we don't know what has happened. mubarak stepped down in march. what then happens between then and now to get us to the situation we're in. >> trust us. we're just as confused as you are. it's an analogy to kind of delivery, childbirth. we had a revolution in january and nine months later, we're in the middle of a childbirth. we have elections in two days. people have no idea what they're about. people who are going to the poll, they're look, what are we voting for and not only that, the expectations were that elections have been complete chaos and now, you put into consideration that there are these huge protests in tahrir square and people don't know what's going on. who are people? what do we want?

they said we want to removal of the military, but who is the civilian rule. when mubarak was removed from power, there was military to take over. there's a very, people are very weary. post revolutionary. there's uncertainty. they want to return to normal. when you have a population, 40% of which lives under the poverty line, they don't care about politics. food, i can send my kids to school. our lives are harder now. the economy is going -- we have i think standard & poor's just downgraded. we have debt. unemployment's up. all the indicators is that the economy is much worse and people are very, very tired. we had a huge protest yesterday. people calling the actually called themselves people of the couch. party of the couch, armchair activism, we want skf. you wanted them to set a

timetable. this was a reason for the protest. people went to the square because people believed the military wanted to impose principles, that even with the transition to the government, they would still be separate. it's like we'll give you this authority, but we're still in charnl. you have 15,000 military trials. the interior ministry was overhauled, but the changes were extremely cosmetic. the military still the source of authority and the trials of mubarak and all people were chaotic. in nine months, that you didn't do anything. that here is a regime where one arm of the regime decided to throw over mu back to maintain power. so they went to demand. we want you to give us a timetable to tell us when you are going to leave and the military did that. they said we're going to leave in the middle of next year, in

july. but people stayed. that caused another huge division. that's the core fear of egypt now is that there's these huge divisions. egypt is not lebanon. we're not a small country. islamist against secular, rich against poor or the city against the country side. this is creating very big fault lines with the country and the military is in -- military rule, military mentality, background chlgt and the state of the mubarak regime is they are very slow to respond to people's demands. there's actually jokes now that the only thing the military has done in nine months is added an extra digit to the phone numbers. that's all that's been accomplished in nine months. the government that just resigned, they had huge legitimatesy in april. the position of prime minister

was offered to everyone. everyone refused. eventually, people will go he's from the old regime, but the reality is pretty much everyone is. the political system in egypt was done in a way that the only people who reach positions of political prominence were somehow tied to the regime. >> let me just ask you this. it seems like if you're just sort of diagramming the players. there's the skaf, like our joint chiefs of staff. the people that run the military, the general in charge is the head of the defense department essentially for 20 or 30 years. there are then the protester rs in tahrir who are the protesters in tahrir now who have been sort of in the streets? what kind of constituency do they represent? what is their world view and perspective? >> this is the core question that's been debated on our talk

shows day and night. who are they? they are youth. they are young. people who weren't even born when this new prim minister was taken over. they are extremely fragmented, divided, there is no focus. no leader. no one who can speak for them. there is no way to say who represents egypt. egypt has 85 million people. think of it as 30 years of no political anything. no parties. politics wasn't even part of their kind of thinking and suddenly, you have a multitude of parties. all we knew is the muslim brotherhood. that's a different thing. refuse to be in the protests and they want to go to the elections. that poses a different kind of ideology. they've been considered a front-runner. that if we have this parliament, they're going to take over. it's created all these internal divisions within the party and

that's worried a lot of egyptians who supported them because they went, muslim brotherhood, do you know of them? we're safe. this is the core of egyptians cht we want what we know. still had this kind of credibility because we want who we know. the uncertainty, the unknown is what's causing a lot of people to turn against the people in tahrir that we don't know. there is a fear of interventioi, of chaos. that's causing people not to know what they want. it's like we have elections. doesn't happen, go back to the score. it doesn't happen, go back to the square. oh, no, leave the square now. come back. >> i want to ask you, it's okay to hang up for a second, come back and we'll talk more about what's happening. congratulations.

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all right. we have on the line a journalist in cairo, egypt, with an amazing skype connection, which is fantastic. way to go. okay, i want to, so, just real clear. we have skaf, who is essentially overseeing this transition to elections and democracy and i was calling around to folks yesterday, some experts in the region and one of the things was that there doesn't seem to be any tomt out there that said this is what we're going to do, so the decision seemed to come down to how much you trust them. whether you think they're really trying to steer the country towards democracy and whether they're trying to embed themselves to be able to run the country. that is part of the cleave in

egyptian society, the degree to which people trust it. we have this poll showing egypt expecting fair elections to happen on monday. you have 71% thinking that the parliamentary elections will be fair, which is not fair to those no tahrir. what is your sense that the party of the couch, which i think in the american version of that, we call it the silent majority, the people not in the streets, what is your sense of how they are watching this unfold? particularly with the escalating violence by the security forces directed at the protesters being displayed on the television every day? >> the prb is now there's a complete lack of trust. from day one, if we said i'm appointing a vice president, here's when i'm stepping down. i have a feeling a lot of things would die down a lot faster. that's kind of the same situation. things escalate. the reason that protests this

week turned bloody so fast is because of a trigger happy police. if they had gone to tahrir the first day and announced what we're doing, things might not have turned out so bad, but the more things escalate, the more demands increase. 40 people that died, 3,000 injuries. compare them to the timing. there was an interesting article in foreign policy today talking about how tahrir square, you have the same energy, but we're not going to be holding concerts there anymore. it's much more violent, aggressive, angry than it was before. the military is a lot of people used to a system. we live in a country where we are taught r or raiseded as people make the decisions -- the military's not going to be like, we made a decision, let's see what we can do. that's it. so to change that, it's not

going to change day and night are people are impatient. they don't want to wait. >> it also seems that i'm sorry to interrupt you, it also seeps that part of it is that there is no normal channels for politics. it seems to me and correct many if i'm wrong, that you either sort of go along with what skaf is doing or take to the streets, but you can't show up at the skaf office hours and tell them you're bummed out or send them a move on petition. all those sort of channels for registering discontent with the status quo or pressuring leaders short of showing up in tahrir don't exist, so it seems like it's an either/or. >> it's true. it's pretty much and also because like we said, we're in a political kind of vacuum. we're still writing it. but when you talk to people, extremely hard and don't forget cairo, egypt isn't just cairo.

if you go into upper egypt, it's a different story. i can't tell people oh, you're going to have living a hard life for ten years, but your children are going to live a good life. that's all they see. they see short-term. i can't tell them by the way, our economy, we have two to three months, our 70% growth has now become 1%. unemployment is now 12%. all these things, they're not going to register. all they see is i'm not making money, my life is harder. it's i'm going to take to the streets or shut up and deal with it until they make it work. and the strategy, how many people in tahrir, half a million. egypt's 85 million and a clever thing was done in the speech. he said if you want us to leave, we have a retch wrenn dumb. that's the reality. it's very clever that is egypt's mood or it's an overestimation

of their popularity. >> the referendum, for the party of power is has a veneer of democracy to it, but is a sort of tried and true move by particularly leaders in the region. s it's not true democracy, right? >> at least it won't be -- we used to have, my parents would tell me they used to do things like the fetus in his mother's stock ak has voted yet. if you're using -- taxi drivers was a tweet today. if we consider the kind of pulse of egyptian reality, egypt could be more pro normalcy than people let on because even the chance of people in the pro skaf rally yesterday, it's down with the hate. people are coming against the

haters saying tahrir does not represent us cht it's a very scary parallel when we had the pro mubarak protests. the idea that anything that causes chaos must necessarily be that. that the unknown must be negative. >> go ahead. >> one more point because when i heard you talking before about the u.s. i think this is always very interesting. there's been a huge discussion about the tear gas, that it is much more violent carcinogen and causes more damage. you were discussing the idea of the obama administration. it's a very difficult position they're in. you want to create this balance between democracy and stability. egypt is not syria. you know why the u.s. can afford to stay back, egypt is such an important player.

egypt's relationship with the u.s. is vital. the peace treaty with israel, that's very important to maintain for the u.s. and the u.s. criticizing the military, which is the primary control over this agreement, you're kind of putting a fault line in your relationship with the military and that's very dangerous for the u.s. and there's also the risk, we had, there's been huge discussions why the arab region never revolted. one of the core reasons is that the u.s., not financially, but not morally support a democracy which might result in islamists taking over. that is the fear here. thand then we're putting at risk our treaty. it's a position where you have to hedge your bets, play both sides of the field and it's something that a lot of egyptians are very aware of. you're only on the side of civilians when it seems you're kind of overtaking or might win, which is the same position that

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>> or make a 131st party. >> i'm an objective journalist. i just saw a tweet that said i was an american. i'm a total egyptian. lived all my life here. i've only been to the u.s. once. i can show you my desert out of the window right now. >> this is a silly question, but can you explain why your english is so awesome? >> i watched a lot of cartoons growing up. >> this is going to be great for the parents of the world, how cartoons work. >> eli wanted to ask you a question. >> thanks so much for joining us. i wanted to ask you quickly, could you say anything about the state of security on the streets? especially after the initial revolution, we saw so many reports of how the jails were empty. do you have any trust in the police to do their job and police the streets and can you

talk about that? >> there's been a real interesting study that's just been released a couple of weeks ago and they were comparing the fear of people, slang for thugs, versus the crime rate. the crime rate is close to the reality, it's just the media hype, the coverage of crimes and you have state tv, which is the same kind of employs that were happening in january kind of take care. they're going to be thugs. they are going to be, with the logic being that oh, if we don't have stability, the country's going to go into complete disrepair, which is what mubarak said on tv in january. that if i leave complete chaos. so it's kind of playing on heart strings, especially of parents, that your kids is going to be danger and when there's one -- for example, in january, there was a situation where one hyper market was completely vandalized. they played that over and over again so it kind of magnifies the crime rate.

the riot pris is complete and total just not just distrust of them. the police have been an entity that people hated because police torture. the case last year in alexandria, which was one of the catalysts of the ref aleutian. the reality is it's not going to change. you cannot change a mentality in day and night. like people who talk about sexual hassment in egypt. it's not going to happen in a day. it's going to take generations to change. you had an overhaul the actual core of the police is not going to change. people do not trust police. it's more like, is the army controlling police and if they're not, because if they are, that means it's bad because it's the police who are causing the bloody clashes and i know you have one -- she will tell you in her interview is that the people who actually assaulted her were the police not the army. if the army is not controlling the police, it means the army is

doing something bad. >> let me ask you this. you just mentioned state media. is it correct that the state media still exists and is still being run by skap? there is an official prop dpaga outlet for the current government. >> is website was hacked a couple of days ago. there will always be a mentality of cheer for the leader in any kind of public. this is, you know, we're a country where last year, i don't know if you've known there was a huge incident over a photo of mubarak where they photo shopped him in front of obama. it is the biggest newspaper in the country just went up and said it was metaphorically and it's -- we're editorial, the line between editorial and marketing, between a whole bunch of different things of

journalism in egypt. it's very much cheer nfor the leader. it's not as intense cht there's been a lot of change in the media, but we've increased on repo reporters. i went to the museum in the u.s. and it showed on egypt on reporters without border, we've slid back down in kind of press freedoms. so there is still very much a mentality of cheer for the leader and the military is of course exerting pressure on not overt criticize m. you had some of the most vocal bloggers detained and for tweeting, you had one of the proponents of the revolution. a lot of people who are imprisoned, a lot of the military trials we're speaking against. it's not like freedom has changed. >> so, there is still repression and recriminations being directed at people that use their platforms whether it's facebook or twitter or blog,

things that are critical of the current skaf ruling regime. >> yeah, they do and the answer to that is we're people who say that the media is giving us the wrong images. like someone saying change the remote control. watch all the media outlets, read everything or go down to the square and you'll see. it's definitely better. we are moving more in terms of media freedoms, but we're a long away way. >> finally, i want to ask you this question and i know it's a fluid situation, so i'm not going to lean on you for prediction of what comes next. you're speaking to an american audience and i think to the extent people have, the revolution of egypt people have in their minds, there's the same fear of instability. there's the fear that the muslim brotherhood is going to take over the country of egypt and it's going to throw the peace treaty out the window and egypt

will go from being an ally to an islamist force. we see some of that rhetoric around the gop primary debate. what is your sense, what would you say to an american audience about that scenario and how likely you see it? is what is your feeling about egypt's future? >> the reality is this islamist fear is something that's always been present. it's always going to exist. of what it means. not just for the country, but for u.s. foreign relations with them. i think what the revolution showed in january is that the muslim brotherhood, it was used by mubarak as a tool to show to the u.s., oh, this is why we restrict, why i don't because if i don't do this, this muslim brotherhood, this scary bogey man is going to take over. the left wing showed that egypt

is a very kind of divided country. it's not lebanon. we're hopefully not going to divide into hundreds of factions, but if you do down into the street and talk to people, the muslim brotherhood, if they want to win, they will have to adopt a much more moderate, much more centrist, more dynamic rhetoric. they're political role and how it fits with their social work and traditional preaching, they have to figure it out because people don't want especially youth. there are estimates that since the revolution, at least 6,000 of their members have left. because it isn't so much, there's all these internal divisions over how we're moving forward. it was easy before. there are challenges, oh, we're arrested, being beaten. they get the sympathy vote. but the challenges are very different. it's very much how are we showing that we're good.

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>> we just got a question from twitter, i'll read it to you. so many people view the arab spring as a good thing. given the resent violence in egypt, do you worry this can go bad and we've got some live pictures of tahrir square in cairo right now. thousands of people are protesting the military regime in egypt right now. what do you say to this person who sent this twitter message to us? >> history will tell. we missed the persian spring. the president failed on that front. we go into libya where we don't have any definable american interests. we've got syria on the horizon. it's called israel. we're a friend an ally. we need to remind the world what it means to be a friend ab ally of the united states. >> jon huntsman said history will tell, then avoided the question. what do you make of that respon

response? >> i think in some ways this presents a huge problem for a kind of gop criticism of obama because on with one hand, obama has supported the deck cattic aspirations of egypt. on the other hand from just a real perspective, the most important u.s. ally in the region, saudi arabia, kind of threw a brush back over that and said what are you doing giving up on mubarak. and there is clearly an affect in terms of the rest of the u.s. relationships from pakistan to saudi arabia because they say this president of the united states is sort of willing to throw mubarak under the bus. >> i thought it was interesting when in january this was going on, i write for the nation and on the left, i think it was totally unanimous support for people in tahrir square. for the demonstrations and on the right, i think there was a

lot of support, but also a contingent on the right and you've seen it. it was glenn beck who articulated every night and michele bachmann, which made this kind of argument that this is the ravel taking over. >> it's 1979 and there are plenty of people on the left who believed that ko mainy was the jefferson of iran and they were disappointed as you saw the purges of the iraq war. you're seeing a transfer of the military dictatorship to an islamist dictatorship. here's the twist in the problem. the last republican president said that ultimately, arab dmksy was going to be the key. >> that's right. exactly. so it does present -- >> i think that's been one of

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update. last week, i mispronounced a building on uc berkeley's campus. it is sprou, rhymes with owl. in just a second, i'll tell you what i didn't know when the week began, but for now, it's alex. >> a that was a funny update. really? here we go. let's talk about the new numbers out op black friday. do they suggest an economy that may be better than people think? plus, we're going to follow up on the violence that marred the day. the fight over immigration is escalating. newt gingrich is pushing back against another front-runner and nasa expects to launch a rocket to the red planet. what's the goal there? we'll bring you the details. >> thanks. didn't know about the mars mission. so, what do we know that we didn't last week? we know that egyptian activist

is free after she was beaten, detained and sexually assaulted. she has two broken arms and we know any government that does this does not deserve our trust. we know the revolution in egypt is not over. we know the romney campaign is perfectly content to misrepresent the president's words thanlgs to this ad. >> it's going to take a new direction. if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose. >> we know the full context is this. >> senator mccain's campaign actually said and i quote, if we keep talking about the economy, we're going to lose. >> and we know that if in roey's words what's good for the goose is good for the gander, then before the campaign is over, we may see romney ad like this one. >> we should just raise everybody's taxes. there's nothing unique about the united states.

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