it's newt versus mitt and the audience is youtube. it's 24 hour news, it's every place there is a campaign, but few place where is they can connect with real voters. i'm talking about the 2012 presidential race and the trend that we have seen of candidates taking their message out on the air wave, out on social media, but increasingly less hand to hand, face to face, baby kissing interaction. and the implications for that. and i want to focus on newt gingrich who are emerging frontrunners and both criticized as being somewhat wooden. is that exacerbated by the lack of sbinteraction? >> mitt romney has played it safe. he doesn't want to do one-on-one interviews a lot.

you can tell that he hasn't been doing it. gingrich is different in that he's looking for different forms, but it's actually the look of woodenness or the lack of discipline that doesn't get him into trouble. >> maybe woodenness is not the right term for gingrich, but there certainly seems to be a disconnect between reality and the rhetoric. i have to play this sound where he talks about children growing up in lower economic areas. >> poor children in really poor neighborhoods have no habits of working and have nobody around them who works. so they literally have no habit of showing up on monday, no habit of staying all day, they have no habit of i do this and you give me cash. ups it's illegal. >> how is this not someone who is really disconnected if not reality from the entire community? >> let's go to your first point which is this is a an unven unconventional campaign.

so they're literally waging it through fox news and youtube. with respect to newt gingrich, there's a little disconnect there. he's been this washington, d.c. for about 30, 40 years. even he was saying i got $640,000 a pop for a speech. how many people would love $60,000 a pop for a speech? in formal times, that could be considered a gaffe. >> the front page of "time" magazine this week is romney saying why don't they like me. and it's going -- you have gingrich is the firt and republican base desperately searching for that fighter. and obama looks angrier than romney. so where do you go from here? the n. the republican party? >> and particularly looking at that quote, it's utterly inaccurate. so i think it's why it's so fascinating watching how the campaign has played itself out. you have mitt romney who i think has been playing that safe

candidate and has run in many ways almost as 20th century type of primary fp newt gingrich knows that his opportunity to try to break into that as you're watching all the other candidates completely fall apart is by trying to be that firecracker inside the party. >> but he has no other option because he's broke. it's not like he can -- >> but gripping grich's whole idea is being the ideas man within the republican party, by being a big thinker. somebody who can bash president obama, but can also stand strong during the debates. 17 years ago he talked about putting kids in dangerous situations in orphanages and that got him into hot water. there will be people who hear that and think that's not a bad idea. depending upon where you sit, it's not that it's the fact that he has this combust ability. you want to be talking about job growth or where president obama

is not getting it right. you don't want to veer off and talk about whether we should have kids working. that's not a great focus for the campaign. >> i think one of the thing has obama has dealt with a lot is a lack of connection to the working class voters. if you look at what is shaping up, you may have a mitt romney and a president obama, maybe a newt gingrich, but if you do have a romney and obama, they're largely dispassionate. how does it work. >> and this slaeks about anger, it's about the disgruntled voters. america is angry. so many levels it will be the nominee who harnesses that anger. >> if yyou look structurictly a the economy, it's about who can take to obama the best.

the republican voters wanted to say mitt's willing to get dirty. with newt, that's sort of built in. they know newt will be a fighter, they know he'll play dirty. so that's why i think he's risen in the polls. >> and to be fair, let's talk about there are a few guys who are still out there's thing rubber chicken and kissing babies. jon huntsman, rick santorum, who believe that retail politics can still work. >> and you see what's happening with jon huntsman. i think there is space for jon huntsman to surprise people and make a dent in new hampshire particularly for the fact that he's essentially lived there for the past three months. >> him on saturday night live talking about it. >> but i think all those linings, as well, him having the ability trying to create that space, trying to show there is space for an additional

anti-romney is really where i think they're trying to fit in right now. >> can i make a different point which i think gets to the question that you're really asking, which is how campaigns are being waged differently. there's not your typical foreign policy address that you want to drive the news cycle. you go on jay leno, do you something via youtube, you specifically target an ad just for cable play. you may avoid the big accountability one-on-one interview in the business that i'm in. and i think -- >> i think everybody shudders in fear. >> they may see more down side than up side, but there's different ways to micro target the voters in a way where it is less traditional and there's all kinds of different -- personality does matter. a lot of these candidates do want to appear to have more personality and be able to reach voters, have more like ability. and they're finding lots of different ways of doing that. >> doesn't it still just come

down to money? romney is so far ahead. steven schwartz man, the biggest private equity fund manager in the world, therefore, fundamentally romney has -- >> if it came down to money, then we wouldn't be talking about newt gingrich. >> and gingrich is not running a traditional campaign. he doesn't advisers, media budget. and romney could benefit the longer. but organization matters. look at how the president is organizing. his first ads are about getting people involved state to state because he'll have a billion dollars to spend, but items how they organize, how they use social media and all the rest. >> there was a great article about how they linked their structure to races in north carolina. obama has a different look at this election. and david hit it on the head. they think of it as door to door, bring people out. these republican candidates of think of inspiring voters. >> they're working ohio in terms of getting the -- obama -- they

understand the grass roots will be the key, the linchpin of their campaign effort. but i do -- i guess if we're talking about organization, money certainly matters, but message certainly matters and one of the most telling things about this article in the sunday times magazine on mitt romney is he's someone kind of going out there, when he's not actually interfaces and at the very end of the story, there's mention of him leaving kind of one of these events where he can talk to people and talk to supporters to go cut a video to show that he was someone that actually talked to supporters. and i think at a certain point, social media as side, youtube videos aside, he'll have to interface and he's going to have to show in some ways that he's a viable alternative. >> george w. bush was a great retail campaigner and it really showed up, one of the reasons why he prevailed against -- also the whole standoff with the supreme court, but he was a great retail campaigner. romney is not. obama is not.

the strength of obama going back in 2008 was what was projected on to him by the left. and now you have a lot of people on the the left who were disappointed. if it's romney and obama, these are not classically great campaigners. they're going to have to have other attributes. >> and they don't seem like they like politics, but they think they would be good at it. >> and i would say i think the president is a much better retail campaigner than i think governor romney is. i think the president does have an ability particularly when he gets in front of crowds to really prove his point and to really convert people. i think the argument can be made, though, as the crowds get smaller, does that become less potent. but i think the other thing to remember about it, when you look at core structure, why this becomes important, we weren't talking about this in july and august. now that we're about 30 days out, having a core infrastructure down in place particularly in some of the early primary states like iowa and new hampshire becomes

crucially important and this is where newt gingrich can find the polls. over 80% of them on both sides say they don't see it lasting because he doesn't have the core infrastructure in place to survive. >> let's remember that and i think we're talking about it here, which is that in the end, issues don't matter as much as how these candidates make you feel. so we have the experience of obama and how many people feel. you go back to the historian talked about fdr, it wasn't so much his idea, but people had a lot of faith in him. people had faith in obama that's waned some, but that's what these canndidates bank on. at the end of the day, most

voters have a different kind of gut check for why they ultimately vote for who they vote for. >> and it plains texplains the t her man xan man cain is still i race. >> i connected and once that was lost or questioned as it seems to have been in recent days, maybe his campaign is over. we will be discussing this and more after the break. when we talk to buddy roamer about second chances and in the case of some, a first chance to be the republican nominee. ♪ i think i'm falling ♪ i think i'm falling ♪ i think i'm falling [ male announcer ] this is your moment. ♪ for you [ male announcer ] this is zales, the diamond store. take up to an extra 15 percent off storewide now through tuesday.

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buddy roamer is running for the republican nominees, but he hasn't been included in a debate and his name is not included in the polls. why don't voters know who he is? the former governor of louisiana and former congressman joins our panel today. >> glad to be here. good show. >> thank you. rick perry is asking for voters to give him another chance. and with this current field, almost all of them have asked for second chances. and my question to you is why haven't you been given a first chance? >> between question. there have been different rules for the details. each of them has excluded me barely. at first it was a formal candidacy. i didn't announce until august at dartmouth in new hampshire. so the first four debates i missed. then it was 1% of the polls i didn't have 1%. when i got 1%, it was 2% in the polls.

then when i got 2%, it was 2% plus raise a half a million dollars in the last 90 days. i don't take pac money. i never have. i think it's secret money. i think full disclosure needs to be the rule. i have a $100 wlichlt. i reveal every contribution i it get. i've raised about a third of a million dollars. >> contribution $60.45. i'd like to be on the debate to discuss two things. i'd like to discuss the power of money and politics. and what we ought to do as americans to take our government back. my question is do you trust your government? if not, why not. and i'll tell you why they don't. i listen to people all day long and they don't trust their government because the government is bought and sold by special interest. >> because of in some ways

bipartisan views and your views on campaign financing, you've been called a fringe candidate, but i look at the field, isn't this a race full of fringe candidates? and i guess to what degree are you surprised that everybody has been al will theed their 15 minu allotted their 15 minutes of page? >> i am surprised at how unsettled it is and i think it's because there is no president there. i listen to people and i watch it carefully. and i've been surprised. i'm the only guy running for president who has been a congressman and a governor. i'm the only guy running for president who talks about campaign reform, specifically how we would change it. i'm the only guy running for president with mitt romney as the exception that talks about fair trade with china. and i think that's the key to manufacturing jobs. and i don't understand it, alex. i don't understand what's

happening. >> governor, a quick question. obvious from your service and politics, but newt gingrich set up an empire after he left congress that was basically taking money from special interests that you've bemoaned and applying them to what everyone else here would call basically lobbying. when you look at newt inc. as it's called and how it affected his positions, are you troubled? >> absolutely. there is no candidate farther from me than newt gingrich. he is everything i decry about american politics, about political elitism, about guns for hire, but lobbying for effect. take ethanol, for example. take bank reform. take health reform for example. it is a disgrace what we've allowed our political leaders to do and get away with it. >> and yet he is the guy who is now currently leading the polls

for the republican primary. where is your party, the republican party, so enamored who you find so troubling? >> and governor, i'm going to interject for a second. i know one of yours is the notion that occupy tea party me middle. how is it that they have newt gingrich and mitt romney at the top of the ticket? >> it's a good question and it ought to be debated in the debate. i have yet to hear a question from you political experts during the debate about where did you get your money. >> i didn't get my chance. >> i don't mean to pick on you four, but i am passionate about this. there is a difference between the 1% who rule the country and the 99% who suffer their mistakes. i believe that mitt romney represents the 1% and i believe

that newt gingrich is the r lobbyist for the 1%. republicans won't settle there. if republicans want to change america, they'll get a candidate who stands for the 99%. >> governor, david gregory here. a question about how unsettled this republican race is and where you think a legitimate prospect exists for a third party run, whether it's you or others. and maybe it's ron paul. we've seen in our polling that there is a significant interest flp. but if that happens, do you not ultimately undermine the standard bearer of the party even if you don't think a mitt romney or newt gingrich is the perfect standard bearer against president obama? sxwlu can >> you can't predict that. you're a splamart guy, but you e no clue. it can go any one of ten different ways. this race is undecided. the election is a year away.

we've not had a person on the stage man or woman, democrat or republican, talk about the corrupt difference power of money. i'm a banker. i watch bank -- >> but that wasn't my question. my question had to do with the prospect of a third party candidacy and whether that will weaken whomever the nominee is. >> well, a third party, a unity party, a party of centrists, a party of building america would be a factor in this campaign. you don't know which party it would affect the most, but the truth is if we want to speak the truth here, that the ligest party in america and particular particularly in new hampshire are independents. people who put their country ahead of their party. i'm 68 years old. i've never seen an election in

those 68 years where the question is open who should our president obama be, who has the best ideas and which party can win. it might be that both parties need to be challenged about their addiction to special interest money. i'm prepared to do it. >> governor, thanks so much for joining us today. we look forward to hearing more from you both on our stage and national stage. and thank you very much to david gregory for joining us, as well. we will be back after the break. don't forget to catch david on "meet the press" this sunday on nbc. his guests include david axelrod and rnc chairman. the mighty turducken. nature's majestic beast. [ both laugh ] ♪ ♪ ♪

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by november the 12th, i ask for your support and your vote. >> the grand old party is fired up and ready to go no election day november -- wait, what some. >> you're counting on us getting this right. >> whoever we nominate is not going to be the perfect nominee. >> once the frontrunner, herman cain ran into some problems. >> here we go again. >> it wasn't a love affair. it was a sexual affair. >> there was no sex. >> no. >> none. >> no. >> but while four allegations of sexual miss misconduct and one 13 year affair stop you from being president? >> any idea whether or not you'll be continuing on? >> 9-9-9. doing fine. >> still, voters started looking at new options. >> i get newt beginning grino p

perfect. i don't blame to be the perfect candidate. >> and just like christ, gingrich is also a great public speaker. >> i was charging $60,000 a speech. and the numbers was going up, not down. normally celebrities gradually go down. >> champion of supply side economics be the one? >> it may turn out to be newt and not mute. newt. >> you're wrong. no, i don't know how many hundred times i said this, 00. this is an unusual interview. all right. let's do it again. >> and then he went to his holding room and came back and said he didn't like the interview and out it was uncalled for. >> if it's all one big circus acts, we're still waiting to see who is the last one driving the clown car. >> do they want to be driven by

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joining us now richard engel and martin bashir. thank you both for joining me. a power panel. >> first time i've been on your show. >> first time i've been on my show. sometimes it looks like it. >> i feel like we're doing sports analysis with this desk. >> or we'll sail off somewhere. any right, there's a lot happening, but i want to talk about the middle east. richard, you're embedded, you're always reporting on the news. how does -- >> where am i this morning? >> well, here in new york, but how does the middle east see america and what does the middle east broadly speaking want from america? >> let's take egypt as an example. egypt just had elections and in those elections, there are only partial results that have come in. islamic parties are doing very well. even the islamic parties didn't

think they would do as well as they appear to be doing. and it's even more radical islamic groups. and according to these two percentages that have come out, the students who were at tahrir square who led the revolution, free thinking type of people, they got a small percentage. the group that would like to be in the ninth century, they got more votes and then the muslim broke ho brotherhood got even more still. throughout middle east, egypt as an example forks decades you've had secular dictatorships and there are certainly problems with dictatorships. but they were generally secular and pro america.

and they were pliable. now we're having a much more complicated probably more islamic, more conservative populous that is being empowered. a populous that was deliberately miseducated by the dictators. and one of the problems is they miseducate their people. so how do you transition from a dictatorship that taught their people badly deliberately to keep them in control and then throw in -- >> and martin, how does the president -- it literally is shifting in the sands quite literally across the region and how is he expected to sort of negotiate this ever changing territory. moreover, will he have the support of the american people either way? >> he's partly responsible for this. there was the u.s. embraced the arab sbrink and now it is going in a direction that might not be -- >> one of the differences compared to egypt, think about pakistan for a moment. >> even more tear tyii terrifyi.

>> absolutely. but even more anti-american and what happened this week made it much worse. but what's interesting about a distinction is that in egypt, there hasn't been this imposition of american power and yet the fringe islamic groups have arisen. i go pack to yoback to your poi the under education of particularly young populations of the developing nations. they are the most dangerous group imaginable. because many of those groups particularly in pakistan, for example, young people are he re indicated by islamic extremist schools that fake their way around education. >> and it underlines a really important point because highlighting this, you look at the university where a lot of the unemployment in the united states has come to people who don't have college and high

school degrees. a significant portion is actually for the educated. and there are still no jobs available. >> what i found fascinating, i was reading about pakistan, is how presidential politics will play into it. a senior official was quoted saying the rhetoric will get worse in the u.s. and that we'll get even tougher. and that gets to the point that we're not having a comprehensive or sustained dialogue about what we need to do abroad. we're talking about cutting foreign aid to pakistan at a time when it's on the brink of just blowing up. >> it will happen the other way, as well. we'll start seeing much more vitriol being and rhetoric from the pakistani side, as well. >> how does that figure in to what happened in iran with the attack on the british embassy

and the government's response to that? >> iran has its own history. that has its own problems even when the iranians crushed the green revolution. so i think that -- >> and the sanctions. >> so that's its own history and its own sort of life expectancy. what's happening in egypt and other parts of the world that martin and i were talking about is going to be totally unchartered political space that the the next president whoever happens to be will have to negotiate. >> one of the most disturbing things about the current republican race for the nomination has been they've laughed about their ignorance, not realizing that there's never been a more critical moment for an intelligent understanding of the plate tectonics that operate in our world at this precise moment. and when think about president obama being elected as president, his first visit is to

turkey. he give as speech in cairo university in egypt. he was absolutely skillful in anticipating that problem. herman cain doesn't know where he's countries are or what they are. and rick perry -- >> we talked earlier or did you about the president's difficulties in embracing the uprisings. but my question is, though, with the domestic political concerns that he has back home, which are very symplistic, what other option did he have? was he supposed to stand aside from libya and egypt and say go do your thing? >> also got criticized for not embracing egypt sooner. >> you're right p.idea of embracing the u.s. state department's goal according to what people join up to the state department to do is to defend the united states's interests and to help spread democracy. that has always been u.s.

foreign policy. so the question is, what happens when that democracy doesn't necessarily benefit. >> was it in our interests to see what happened in egypt happen? >> we don't know yet is the answer. if the muslim brotherhood, and it's on the ultimate charm offense, if they say you have nothing to worry about, they also answer their phones, they're incredibly helpful. i found the muslim brotherhood on their best behavior, responsive, calling us to say what can we do. >> that's because you're richard engel. >> no, anybody. they were out at polling stations. there's millions and billions of -- >> you flip through all the different channels, they're reaching out to french television, they had muslim brotherhood talking to the al jazeera. they were on every media platform that they could find to tell people we're fine.

>> given all that is happening in the middle east and the fact that we have a military presence in iraq and afghanistan, wes, you're a former service member, why is there not greater attention paid to what is happening in that part of the world? we have actual blood and treasure over there. you'd think there was more of an american appetite. >> because you have less than 1% of u.s. citizens who have fought in either iraq or afghanistan. for many, those are things happening over there and they don't affect people in their backyards. so that's why we have a significant disconnect in terms of what's happening overseas and what's happen back home. where we'll also start to see that is as we're having that ramp down of forces, we'll then have a surge of people coming back home and then how we're thinking about search and supporting the veterans and their families becomes a much

bigger conversation. >> i think one of the other issues here is that the emphasis and anxiety on the ground about iran's ability to create a nuclear weapon is actually what's dominating the anxiety i think in the state department and from the perspective of south asia. so what you're seeing is attention gravitating towards that as an issue, meantime there are all kinds things happening in pakistan in relation to the taliban, in where the border we know is very, very messy. >> there's three hidden happeneds happene hands in the middle east that are secretary the dynamics on the table. one is absolute concern about iran's nuclear program from the arab countries, from the gulf countries. >> huge anxiety. >> that is always a calculation. two is hezbollah.

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the republican primary field has an him grace problem. newt gingrich has been blasted for suggesting some immigrants should be able to stay but not receive citizenship. interestingly the pew research

center looked into gingrich's comment and found that two-thirds of illegal immigrants have been here for more than a decade. what has struck me is that setting aside his plan for immigration, the rhetoric around immigration in this country is as strident and as divisive as it has been. >> horrific. and it's interesting when you hear herman cain talk about an eelectrified fence and rick perry talking about using predator drones. those into are rejected also in europe. do you know this week the german government issued an appeal to the public to help find a group of knee neo-naziss who they bel are responsible for murders this week. they are workings on stores who are turkish. and what you're seeing in france is the lead candidate for the presidential election next year is the daughter of jean marie lepen and he's a far right

racist. so this is consistent with an economic down turn global pli and who do people start going for? they start going for immigrants. and that's why gingrich was on out of sync. because he was the guy who was actually pointing at the fact that the vast majority of these people have been here for ten years. they are integrated into the society. >> and let's also look at the practicalities of running a winning campaign. one this six americans in this country is latino. you talk about them in a way that i think is derogatory, the reference of being illegals and the otherness and almost the dehumanization of these people who make a large part of the economy work. >> i think gingrich realizes that and he's saying be compassionate. and mitt romney tries to assert

that he's all for legal immigration. let me disagree with one point. i think for newt he got saved in a bit by mitt romney because the question was then posed to mitt romney what would do you with all the people here. would you send them action cross the border? and he had no answer because there really is no good answer. you have to do something. it's a path to legality, a path to citizenship and then of course in mitt romney in 2006, 2007, had been even further out there. so he ended up being saved by the fact that romney couldn't explain a very difficult question to explain which is what do you do with these people. >> and these people who are now so significant in the dem graphics of our process. >> this is a story about america, too, right? >> it seems an arbitrary statute of limitations about you how long have they been up it's enough. at what point do you draw the line and say you have family, maybe your wife's pregnant, but

you've only been here for eight year so is get on the bus. >> and they're important not only to our electoral demographic, but our economic, as well. even undocumented workers, over 50% of them pay federal, state and local income taxes. so this is a portion that has significant not just political influence, but also economic influence. >> and they do jobs that people don't normally do. >> and they lived through the patch adams area. >> and the president has actually come down very hard on illegal immigration and the number of deportations and removal of illegals is up. >> and credit is tough because there's been a lot of critics over what the administration has done. he think he's broken up families by doing this. >> and the narrative, though, of

president obama's record on immigration i think is greatly at odds with the reality. >> the pew survey showed at the peak 12 million and now it's down to something like 11.2. it's actually decreased under pam. it just goes against the entire narrative which has him like opening the doors of mexico. >> it's an issue that we'll be talking about as the race heats up. we'll be right back. coming up, today's jobs report may be an early christmas gift for the white house. but what about 315,000 americans who have given up on looking for work? we'll have labor secretary hilda solis, larry kudlow, and obama deputy campaign manager stephanie cutter. plus newt gingrich says kids should work as janitors? we'll get reaction from the reverend al. [ groans ] [ marge ] psst.

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that does it for thousand. thanks again to all of our guests today. martin bashir airs today at 3:00 p.m. do you want on give us a little tease? >> we'll be looking at herman cain at the end of the broadcast because we know that he's fal r faltering about the ability of withdrawing. what many don't know is that he's an associate minister of a church in atlanta. and the question is, if he pulls out of the campaign because he's found to have lied, should he not withdraw as the minister of that church. or do the rules of the church come beneath the rules of the campaign. >> fascinating. follow us on twitter at now with alex. andrea mitchell reports is next. hello, andrea. hi, there. coming up next on andrea mitchell reports, we have

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