on one hand troops relieved and on the other hand, they were still wondering why we were there. >> now in hot water with the justice department. an outspoken law enforcement officer accused of civil rights violations including a pattern of racial profiling and heavy handed immigration patrols. in a word, zany. mitt romney slaps a title on newt gingrich in an interview with the "new york times." >> zany is not what we need in a president. zany is dprgreat in a campaign. >> in the last republican debate before the iowa caucuses when the zany front-runner is standing a few feet away. will romney keep up the attacks. the rush of people climbing all over each other to buy holiday gifts. guess how many have holiday hangovers and returning the items to get back the money they need.

. >> i'm tamron hall and we are following the stark change in tone as both sides say the government shut down can be avoided in a reach reached before tomorrow night's deadline. harry reid and mitch mcconnell held talks to resolve remaining issues overheading off a shut down and extending payroll tax cuts and unemployment benefits. as the president announced new action to help america's health care workers and pressured congress to act quickly on the three major issues that need action. >> there is no reason why we shouldn't be able to extend these items, the payroll tax cut, before the holidays. no reason the government should shut down over this. i expect all of us to do what's necessary in order to do the people's business and make sure it's done before the end of the year. >> nbc's correspondent kelly

o'donnell, catch us up to speed. >> there is a change in tone. they have all gone quiet for a while as the people who were doing the negotiating on how to sort out the remaining issues are hard at work. we are told republicans will get together to talk about ways the next steps will coming to and we are getting a sense from both parties in both chambers that there has been a light at the end of the tunnel. no one wants to take the blame for causing a shut down or denying unemployment benefits. all of the issues are at stake and they reached a point where they made their political points. they called themselves all the names and you get a sense that they are getting the work done. you can really tell not only with reid and mcconnell, but the way speaker boehner handled it when he came before cameras earlier today. >> i think everyone needs to step become and take a deep

breath. there is an easy way to untangle all of this. we need to let the members do their jobs and we need to let the two institutions do their work. >> boehner also said he could make certain that the house would be present within 24 hours, no one going home for the holidays and not coming back. that's the pledge he made today. of course the president said he doesn't want anyone to go on vacation without these things being done. there appears to be progress and we don't know when, but people say they are getting there and it has to do with funding for the government as well as how you pay for using the payroll tax cut, again, into the new year as well as unemployment benefits. there things to work out, but they feel a more cooperative spirit with everyone we are talking to. >> thank you very much. let me bring in senator bob case at pennsylvania who introduced the tax cut act of 2011 to extend after republicans blocked the tax cut last week.

he introduced a compromise. thank you for your time. >> thanks. good to be with you. >>or cooler heads needed to prevail and you got from both sides. mitch mcconnell and harry reid saying that's what's happening. >> that's what i perceive talking to leader this morning and others, we have to come together. we have 160 million american workers that are depending upon us to coming to in a bipartisan way and make a deal and cut the payroll tax at a time when the workers bad low need the kind of help this kind of tax cut can provide. in pennsylvania when we did it last year, over 6.5 million pennsylvanians were benefitted. we need it to kick start the economy. we can get it done, but we have work to do. >> you heard speaker boehner saying there is an easy way to untangle this. if there is an easy way, i will

ask what the voters are asking. why wasn't it untangled. here we are yet again with a christmas crisis and we know at least in one poll congress i believe it was 1% of the people poled think this is a good congress. >> let me try to respond to that. tamron, one thing you mentioned in the opening was the two bills i introduced. the original payroll cut that had a cut for cutting it in half for workers and businesses. republicans didn't want that. they didn't like other features. i came up with a compromise working with our leadership and so far they haven't embraced that either. we have been trying to compromise. what republican senators need to do is consider the impact of not passing a payroll tax cut as we have been advocating for. in pennsylvania no payroll tax cut means in 2012 a job loss of at least 20,000 jobs in a state where we created over 50,000

this year. we want to create more than that next year. this is important to the people and cash in the take home pay and in the pockets of the speaker. we need it. >> what do you think the timeline will be as we wait on the tick tock of the clock? >> it will take a while. we have to do a couple of things. we have to reach an agreement on the payroll tax cut. we can doe that. that is progress made and not enough to reach a deal, but some progress. we need to extend unemployment insurance and a job creator. we know that from the bang for the buck analysis. you spend a buck and you get $1.90 back for the economy. you have to go through a list of tax extenders that have to be worked on as well as the appropriations done. a lot to do, but we have to stay here the rest of this week and next week or the week after and get it done. >> we are close to the end of this year. when you look back at the

congress and really the incredible headlines and the divide for a lack of a better description, how would you define this congress, what we witnessed as voters? >> it's hard to encapsulate, but we made progress on job growth and moving the economy forward. not nearly enough. when you have more than 13 million americans out of work, more than half a million in pennsylvania, obviously we have a lot more work to do and that's why the tax cut is so important. it's one action that the congress can take right now to give people a sense that we will kick start the economy and put dollars in the take home pay and do it before the holidays. >> senator bob casey, thank you very much for joining us and happy holidays to you. >> thanks and same to you. >> nearly nine years aftershock and awe ushered in the start of the iraq war, the conflict has drawn to a quiet close in a

somber ceremony. leon panetta declared an end to the mission after fighting for years and eight months and losing friends and loved ones, men and women from iraq are heading home for the holidays. >> spend time with families. >> they are tired of being gone all the time. >> not being in the desert all the time. being able to spend the weekends at home. i haven't had a day off since i took leave. >> foreign correspondent richard engle from baghdad, those are the interviews you conducted earlier. talk to me about the mood and what it felt like to be there. >> par certainly do feel that the soldiers are aware that they are taking part in something that is historic. today will mark when the history is written, the day the iraq war or america's involvement in the iraq war is over.

there was a lot of talk about american accomplishments. it was a small ceremony considering it was the closing ceremony for a big war since vietnam. there were only a few hundred soldiers present there. the event lasted less than one hour. now there is one mission left even though the military command here is officially closed. that mission is to withdraw the remaining 4,000 or so troops from the country. most of them have made it to kuwait where they are outprocessed and on the way home to families. >> live for us in baghdad, thank you so much for your excellent reporting. developing now, a federal investigation found toughest sheriff in america committed serious civil rights violations against latinos in arizona. one justice department expert said it's the worst case of racial profiling he has ever seen. for the latest let's go to justice correspondent pete

williams. this is the result of a three-year investigation? >> right. it involves the maricopa county sheriff. the justice said joe arpaio and deputies engaged in racial profiling of latinos. retaliating against people who criticize the sheriff and punishing jail inmate who is can't speak english. latino drivers are at least four times more likely to be pulled over in traffic stops. about 1/5 of all the traffic stops that violated guarantees against unreasonable seizures and most of those involve latinos. you quoted from the expert, he's the who called it the most egregious he had seen or heard or read about. the justice department said the officers are not properly train and the action shows what the government calls a chronic culture ever disregard for basic legal and constitutional

obligations. in a letter today, the head of the civil rights division said he hopes the problems can be fixed and if the sheriff resists and won't agree to sit down to talk about solutions, the justice department will sue and take him to court. >> pete williams, i assume we have not heard anything from sheriff arpaio in response? >> not yet. >> that's interesting. he is always usually available to talk about just about anything. we will see what he says. buyer's remorse, shoppers who have been hitting the malls for weeks seem to remember this economy is in a tough spot and perhaps they need the cash. what this means. they call it the holiday hangover. gifts returned before they have been given out. mitt romney attacked newt gingrich calling him unreliable and being zany. what does that mean as the two gear up for the final republican debate before the iowa caucuses? we will talk to the "new york times" reporter who interviewed

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>> welcome back to decision 2012 where mitt romney is pulling out the stops and going after newt gingrich. romney had seven interviews, perhaps the next phase of attacks against newt gingrich. he is not relying on negative tv ads, but going after romney

directly. he used an entering word to describe newt gingrich and he said he was unreliable. he called gingrich zany. >> zany is not what we need in a president. zany is great in a campaign and it's great on talk radio and great in the print. it makes for fun reading, in terms of a president we need a leader. >> ashley parker from the "new york times" sitting in on the interview, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me on. >> obviously you are in a car, but not driving. how did zany come up? >> my colleague and i were asking governor romney about newt gingrich and called him an unreliable leader before and it came up in discussing speaker gingrich. >> did you bring up the word zany or was this a word that

came naturally from mitt romney? >> it was a word used in his question. jeff mentioned zany first. he mentioned other words that governor romney did not repeat. he took it and ran with it and said this is not what we independent a president. >> we had conflicting reports saying his campaign is shaken. when we saw the polls, the nbc news polls with newt gingrich surging at 35 points, more than 40. he's the first candidate to reach 40%. at least in that one poll. did he seem like a man who was shaken by what we were watching right now? >> no, it was interesting. the campaign is not panicked, but they are concerned. when we sat down with governor romney, he had five fund-raisers and money still coming in. we heard from people in the campaign that gingrich has been a way for the romney campaign to raise more money.

some republicans do not relish the prospect of the a gingrich candidacy. disciplined and calm and upbeat and did not seem shaken. >> it's interesting. we know what's happened in a few interviews in the past and what's infamously reported or talked about is the exchange between bret behr and romney. he seemed agitate and off his game of being a calm and cool kind of guy. did you see that from him when bringing up flip flop and his positions that have changed? >> when governor romney is uncomfortable, he does a fake laugh. we heard that a few times. >> when did you hear that mostly? >> you know we heard it one time although it seemed genuine when asking him about the book of mormon. he said he hadn't had time to see it, but he would love to. it's a tony-award winning play. we heard that a few other times,

but not as agitated. >> all right, ashley. an interesting interview. it might be telling. >> thank you. >> let's bring in michael smerconish and contributor and sometimes zany. the word of the day. what's going on? what do you think of the interview? is that a tough attack to call newt gingrich zany? >> it's mitt romney's equivalent of the f bomb myself. >> come on. michael! >> zany? i haven't used that since the 70s. >> third grade. does that speak to what some are concerned about that he is not necessarily a tough guy? i hate to try to define what toughness is because it comes in many forms, but it is easy to look at a guy who is zaney and perceived him to be soft. >> what's driving the electorate

and that constituency from michele bachmann to herman cain and breastly to rick perry and to newt, they want a street fighter. romney is this guy who computes competence and control. that's not necessarily what primary voters are looking for. the serious point is that zany doesn't help him. what he has to do tonight is it's the last debate for this calendar year. iowa voters are getting ready and he needs to make the pitch that he can win. it's one thing to express your frustration by voting for newt gingrich, but you are throwing that away because look at the data and nbc news two or three days ago. they show this growing discussion about how it's romney who can beat obama and not newt gingrich. >> a lot of people are talking about the gop establishment and

lining forces against newt gingrich. what i find interesting, you said these voters and at least the republican voters want a street fighter, a man who is a famous street fighter. he didn't do well at all when he ran. he defended newt gingrich this morning on "morning joe." let's play rudy giuliani, please. >> who makes the closer connection to the reagan democrats? mitt romney? he has an aura of elitism for better or worse, or newt who comes from them to a large extent. >> basically giuliani said newt is a man of the people. he is the guy here and not mitt romney. in fact during the "morning joe" appearance, he doesn't like mitt romney. >> my disagreement with mayor giuliani is to identify who holds the cards in this election. i don't think it's the reagan democrats, but moderates and independents.

mitt romney has more appeal to those individuals. whether you talk about my neck of the woods in the suburbs and the i-4 corridor between tampa and orlando, those are the individuals you have to think about who sells best to them. i always said it's probably huntsman and if he can't get out of the gate, it will be romney. >> at least going back to iowa, i want to bring this up. andrew sullivan saying this guy is being ignored too much and the list goes on and on. ron paul is showing up and showing strong and he could win in iowa here. what's your take? >> knowing what this will do to my twitter and e-mail that will be overloaded by the supporters because they are strong and iron-clad, it's never happening. he's a constant in the nationwide polls. you don't see the fluctuation of ron paul support going up or down. it's very steady and nationwide it doesn't get out that was 7% to 11% range. >> i can't wait to see what the

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new information on the story that sparked outrage about whether a child should be allowed to be taken away from a parent because he or she is over weight amount of child that was taken from his mother will be placed in the custody of his uncle. this is only a temporary plan as the goal is to get the 9-year-old back in his home with his mom. the judge said he will allow the boy to spend a week with his mom over the holidays while in

foster care. the boy's weight droped from about 200 to 192. cause for the elimination of college fraternity after members sent out a survey asking the unimaginable question. who would you rape? that was the question. pilots on one airline get the a-ok to use ipads in the cockpit, but not passengers? is that fair? it's today's "news nation" gut check. do more faster. so, kathryn, post more youtube videos of your baby acting adorable. baby. on it. matt, ignore me and keep updating your fantasy team. huh? jeff, play a game. turbo-boosting now, sir. dennis, check in everywhere you go on foursquare. that's mayor dennis... of the water cooler. you're the best. liz, rock out to pandora. oh, no i'm an only child. and nick, you shouldn't even be here, you can do everything from the golf course. good? good. [ male announcer ] on at&t, blackberry® torch moves at the speed of 4g. ♪

here's what the "news nation" is following right now. the iraq war officially comes to an end. we will talk to jack jacobs about what will happen to the bases and our footprint in that country. called on shopping. why consumers are heading back to the malls to get back the cash they spent on gifts they have not even given out yet. herman cain defense secretary? the gop candidate talks about

what would be his dream job. they are okay for pilots and not passengers? why ipads are getting the green light to be in the cockpit. we will have that story. the flag of the u.s. forces of iraq is on the way back to the united states. the pomp and circumstance of the official shut down ceremony. veterans of the nearly nine-year conflict can be secure in knowing that your sacrifice helped the iraqi people to cast tyranny aside. military analyst and colonel jack jacobs, what's your thoughts on what we saw and witnessed today? >> seems like it's the end. the last troops out of iraq and have been there a long, long time. it's not really the end. there between 15 and 17,000 contractors doing a lot of the jobs that our troops were doing before. our task has not ended there,

but second there is a lot of activity on the ground. the sunnis are dissatisfied that they don't run the country anymore. the largest voting block in the parliament will have a great deal of influence. he spent the entire war inside iran. >> i wanted to talk about the soldiers and the troops there who are back home. what roles they may play later in politics and as lawmakers. how young these men and women were when they went over there and many of them were in middle school when 9/11 happened. later in life they decided this is what they wanted to do in life. we often hear that decisions like the iraq war were made because we don't have enough people who fought for the country and go on to the senate or house of representatives. what is your take? >> we have far too few veterans. an all volunteer service and as

a result of that, we have far too few veterans in congress. one of the reasons we might be less inclined to use the military is if we have veterans inside the decision making apparatus of the country. when i came back from vietnam, they said no more vietnams. now they say no more iraqs. we have to be clear about what we want to accomplish as youing the military instrument and how we are going to finish the job and we didn't do that in iraq and not doing that in afghanistan. >> you make the point and we have a lot of people tweet us or send e-mails saying this is supposed to be happy. there 15,000 who will still be there. >> the troops are coming home now. when i came home, absolutely elated. i wasn't in good shape, but elated that i was coming home and they are too. a national security standpoint, the adventure in iraq caused two

things to happen. we lost the momentum in afghanistan. seven years later we try to get it back again and we are not. second, the united states lost a great deal of influence in the region. we are not going to get that back either. >> thank you for sharing your thoughts on had to this day. >> we turn to a debate over aviation safety as airlines are starting to allow ipads in the cockpit. the faa approved the use for pilots in all stages of flights. they can use tablets instead of paper versions of flight charts and manuals. passengers say it's a double standard. tom costello joins us from washington, d.c. this is a heck of a debate. the pilots obviously want to become more technologically savvy here, but passengers are saying if they can do it, why can't i?

>> the debate is never as clear as the actual argument and what's going on. american airlines said they are equipping pilots with ipadss a high tech alternative to the brief cases we see them lugging through the airports. american airlines just made headlines for kicking a famous actor off the plane who refused to turn off his iphone. for pilots, the new ipad will replace the 45 pound brief cases stuffed with paper versions of flight manuals and charts and airport lay outs. >> frankfurt airport. >> these ipads and applications have been proven safe for the cockpit, but the faa demands that the wi-fi connection must remain off. >> we have been testing now for six months with literally no issue. >> it was just a week ago that american airlines kicked alec baldwin off for refusing to turn

off his iphone before take off, something he was playing up on "saturday night live." >> don't phones interfere with the plane's system? >> you don't believe that, do you? >> a lot of travelers have doubts. we asked the senior engineer. >> how can an ipad be used on the flight deck, but not in the cabin? >> it's a good question and i can understand why people ask it. the ipad or net book computer is in the control of the airline. they maintain it. they assure if something goes wrong it's fixed. >> the faa prohibits devices below 10,000 feet because those are the most critical moments for an aircraft, take off and landing. when the pilot has little time to react if interference were to disrupt the equipment. while a modern aircraft may tolerate a handful of electronics, what if dozens were left on or hundreds?

>> nobody in the industry tested the effects of say 200 cell phones on at one time. >> despite the skepticism, they must remain off for now, erring on the side of caution. >> aviation experts say they need to start a process to approve the products to be used during take off and landing. the trouble is that the technology is changing so rapidly, staying on top of it is difficult. a plane's sensitivan 10as and the wiring run the length of an airplane and not just the nose. >> this shocking story into a college fraternity that could be banned permanently over a survey asking members the question, who do you want to rape? last weekend a student at the university of vermont told them about a letter being circulated. they are not sure who wrote it or if anyone responded.

at least three investigations are under way one by university police. >> we are trying to understand what happened. if anything more serious comes to light based on the investigation and we will take quick action around that as well. >> joining me is a reporter from the free press. thanks for your time. >> good afternoon. >> how was the story first broke? >> we first heard about it from the university of vermont tuesday afternoon and the university took immediate action to suspend the fraternity and the national office ordered them to cease operations until they could send someone from virginia to investigate this incident. >> the national office of this fraternity released a statement a short time ago and in part says at this point we have no indications that this offensive

document was chartered, sanctioned or chapter-wide. someone else with the fraternity saying i was shock and we will not tolerate this behavior. tell me a bit about this fraterni fraternity. i understand there has been trouble in the past with this frat. >> it's one of the oldest and largest at the university of vermont. they have done a lot of good work through the years, but there also had been a lot of fraternities and incidents that came to the public's attention. probably the biggest one was 18 years ago where similar kinds of things where they asked pledges racist jokes or to make inappropriate comments. the video of that pledge was sent to the free press anonymously. the charter was revoked for four

years by the national office for inappropriate conduct. >> what's been the reaction from the women on campus? >> it goes beyond the campus. i think there is shock and outrage over the university of vermont throughout the community. they just think in today's society that they don't understand how that kind of question could be put on to a survey of potential pledges or potential members at a fraternity. as the statement from the national office says, it does not appear that this was fully sanctioned by the chapter or by the local fraternity or the national office. this was just conceivably maybe one or more students. >> all under investigation right now. thank you very much. we appreciate your time.

>> thank you. >> new information on a mining accident in idaho that tops our look of stories around the nation. take a look at this. the mining company said pressure from the ground above, the lucky friday mine caused an explosion and several miners were trapped and all were safely rescued and suffered only minor injuries. >> facing drug charges and federal officials to sell in the chicago area. they are disappointed and will deal with the allegation when is they learn more details. new numbers show 50% of americans now live in poverty, an all time record according to the census data. 146 million americans fall below the poverty line, up four million from the year 2009. analysts blame a rising cost of living of high unemployment.

>> paris jackson, michael jackson's daughter gives her first interview and what she said life was like with her famous father and how he helped her prepare for the career she would lick to pursue. >> herman cain said he wanted to be secretary of defense. that's what the candidate told barbara walters on her ten most famous. cain is the same candidate who could not recall the strategy? libya and mocking the names of foreign countries. taking back his endorsement of newt gingrich. he endorsed early this week, but now said it's too early to decide. no word on if he is ready to see if trump will reenter the race. take a look at the new family photo from the first family. they released this this morning. the original photo was taken in

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. >> i'm martin bashir. coming up at the top of the hour, did you hear that sound? that's the sound of sharpening the knives ready to carve up newt the professor. we will set the stage in the final battle before iowa voters make their choice. back to tamron. >> record breaking sales this holiday season may be giving way to record breaking returns. some of the people who rushed to the stores as early as thanksgiving for big discounts are returning the gifts to get the cash back because they need it. according to the national retail federation, returns cost stores 10 cents for every dollar earn and that is an increase from last year. a retail writer for the associated press.

i heard holiday hangover, buyer's remorse. when we look at the video, people were grabbing things that maybe they didn't need or want, but got caught up in the madness. >> right. they got caught up in the 60% and when they brought the merchandise back to their house, they realized they didn't need it and it was denting their bank account. >> that's incredible. we had several conversations and i believe it was one of the gut checks on the show. we said people talk about hard times, but they're running out with a wii or nintendo in their hands. i don't want to stand in the way of anyone's happiness, but these are tough economic times. >> what's happening is three things. people are getting too caught up with the bargains out there. they are realizing they spent too much. number two, stores were lenient

with the returns. they started becoming lenient two years ago. number three, i talked to a number of shoppers and they all say you know what, i'm buying and i bring it home, but i keep looking for the better deal and i will return it. >> absolutely. there some stores right now on their second round of discounts, especially places that sell clothing where they reduce the prices and they are on the second round. if you bought it, you should get your money back. >> i talked to lots of shoppers who said they return something to get a cheaper brand or something different because it's cheaper. you really see this reluctance to spend. >> absolutely. thank you very much. we will see what happens after this holiday stuff dies down. the golden globes are o nounsed and howard stern has a new big

job and paris jackson, michael jackson's daughter is publicly speaking out about her father for the first time. let's get the scoop from the senior editor at us weekly let's start off here. >> the artist scored the most nominations. that's a black and white silent film. >> did you like it? i am told it's not completely silent. >> there is a surprise. little elements of sound. music. it's really the golden globes taking a chance and rewarding something that is taking artistic leave. i thought the story line was really a star is born. retold in a different way. people are really looking to award this. >> were there big surprises? >> there were more big surprises. merrill streep against a newcomer for the girl in the dragon tattoo. a highly coveted role.

merrill streep everyone said will win it. this is her playing margaret thatcher and one of career-defining roles. >> that's a big showdown. i am stunned by this only because so many people said it wouldn't happen. howard stern going to "america's got talent." >> people said it wasn't going to happen because the show would not move to new york. >> they thought he was too edgy or adult for this family show. >> that was the other issue, but it was a surprise for everyone. they would move their production just for this. >> he is replacing piers morgan. do you think he will fill his shoes? david hasselhoff. >> it's a game of musical chairs there. >> how does he fit in? >> howard will push the boundaries, but someone will have their hand in it and make sure nothing gets on there. they need to push it.

they need to boost ratings. they are competing with simon cowell and a lot is going on. >> let's transition to paris jackson, michael jackson's daughter who spoke at her father's memorial service and he said what a great father he had been. she is talking to ellen? >> yeah. it's insane, actually. here she is like we didn't see her. she was behind masks for so long and she is coming out. it warms my heart because she is so much the embodiment of her mother. i knew michael and i knew debbie row. she is that spit fire. totally out there and unashamed and intelligent and witty. probably very talented. >> let's play what paris had to say to ellen. >> did you tell him that you wanted to act? >> yeah and we did improves and he would give us scenarios.

he said in this scene i would cry. i would cry on the spot. >> you can cry on the spot? >> yes. >> that's impressive. you got away with all kinds of things. he didn't know if you were crying or acting. >> i was faking it a lot of times. >> they are allowing her to do interviews and make the children more visible. who is making the call? >> catherine jackson wants the kids to be more normal. she didn't agree with the strict rules that michael set up around them, but then again the dynamic shifted. when they went out in public, there were swarms of people. now that doesn't happen. michael had an energy that he interview to him when he went anywhere. they don't have that now. she is making them find their way in the world. >> she seems very outgoing. i can't wait to hear blanket say a word. he is so cute. >> he said a few.

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