prize. they did give it to another person involved in the landmine issue. >> what's wrong with him taking it? >> well, it would be like giving someone an oscar in the hope he would one day make a good motion picture. >> there he is, christopher hitchens unplugged. he was 62 years old. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. politics nation with al sharpton starts right now. republican priorities, pro-family priorities, heartbreaking stories from homeless children, but republicans in congress continue to play games. where is their urgency? panda bears, willard tries to brew tea, as the others try to run from their past, but we won't let them run far. can he take a punch? the newt front-runner now taking

punches from all sides. >> speaker gingrich took $1.6 million -- >> speaker had a conservative revolution against him. welcome to "politics nation. i'm al sharpton. tonight's lead at a time when this country is struggling more than ever, republicans are turning a deaf ear to people like this. >> the summer before my junior year i received a phone call just before work from my sister, stating that the sheriff was there to put our things on the street. my mother was nowhere to be found. i went to work with tears in my eyes, not knowing where i was going to go for the night. the tears wouldn't stop, so my manager offered me to go home. my tears came stronger than possible, because i had no home to go to. >> i had no home to go to. that was testimony from a 25-year-old who grew up many

times not knowing where he would sleep that very night. folks, this is not rare. 9 that's nearly 1 in 62 americans are poor. we talked about it last night, but i wanted to talk about it again. why? because not enough people are talking about this. this is a crisis in our country. it's the holiday season. are we supposed to just forget about these homeless kids? too often these days, it seems, the republicans think they don't represent that half of the country, because they continue to demonize the poor and the unemployed. >> they're getting unemployment and they're getting food stamps, and they say call me when unemployment runs out. we also have to realize there are a lot of people gaming the system right now. >> our nation needs to stop doing for people what they can and should do for themselves.

self-reliance means if anyone will not work, neither should he eat. >> i don't want to pay people 99 weeks to do nothing. >> you don't want to pay people to do nothing? that doesn't even make sense. in fact, since congress enacted unemployment benefits, time spent looking for jobs has tripled among long-term unemployed. unemployment insurance helps, not hurts, giving payroll tax cuts to american workers helps, not hurts. that's why it's so frustrating when republicans play games, when their whole benefits like this are held hostage because of things like oil pipelines. >> i'll be able to support a package that doesn't include the pipeline. >> let my say this. if that bill comes over to us, we will make changes to it, and i will guarantee you that the keystone pipeline will be in there when it goes back to the united states senate.

>> joining mess is congresswoman donna edwards, democrat from maryland, and chris hayes. thank you both for joining me. congresswoman, let me start with you. how can the gop kim to play these games when so many people are hurting. now, on one hasn't, we can take public money and bail out companies that, with their own greed ran them into the ground, but we look at children and say lift yourselves by your bootstraps. i mean, it is not only immoral, it is against the principles of the country. >> well, you're right. first of all, we have a lot of people in this country as you've described half of americans now living with low income or almost no income. i mean, it really is a tragedy. we've taken over the last 20 to 30 years, have taken a growing middle class and turned it into low income earners and people

who are unemployed. yet republicans, you know, stand in the way of providing unemployment insurance, a tax credit for working families, so that they can sustain themselves through this bad economy. it really is a tragedy over a pipeline that's going to produce jobs that aren't even in the united states. >> that's what i want to ask you. i'm coming into chris. that's what angers me. they are saying that we want this pipeline in order to give payroll tax cut extension. we've got to pay for it. they never, ever laid out how they were going to pay for the tax cuts to the rich. they never laid out how are we going to pay for bailing out all these companies that really plundered the economy and their own stockholders. now all of a sudden, we've got to pay with a pipeline that we're not even sure is safe, environmentalists tell us it's not, we've got to have some cosigner to help the middle class.

chris? >> yeah. well, the detail about it that i find fascinating is there's already a process to approve the pipeline, and it's been working its way through the state department. the state department has issued a declaration saying if you mandate that we expedite the process, it will kill the pipeline. even their stated aim will be destroyed by passing some piece of legislation, which requires the pipeline to be accelerated. you have to look at it, what are the politics of this? here is what it is. the politics are that the republicans got elected because of a bad economy, and they have spent an entire year with no actual jobs program of their own. they are scroungen around as time runs out to propose something that looks like a jobs program. they happened upon a pipeline that oil interests are in favor of and that environmentalists hate, and that they can hope to make some political hay out of. they're literally looking around for something they can say

they're doing for jobs. >> congresswoman, i get the politics of it. i united states that the president is running and all of congress is running, i get that, but how do you sacrifice unemployed people, most of whom are looking for job at a higher rate than ever. how do you sacrifice homeless children? are there no boundary to where we're going to go with politics 2012? >> al, i don't get it, because i don't think it's fair, and i think most americans sitting at home understand when you're unemployed, most people are not in fact gaming the system. even in what we've done in the house, the republicans actually tried to say, states, what you can do is ask unemployed people to get drug tests. they don't need drug tests. they need an unemployment test, and in the absence of that, they need a jobs. the republicans haven't done anything to create jobs. they're going to hold with blackmail, unemployment checks and tax credits so they can

protect the wealthiest and protect an industry that's gotten hand over fist out of this economy and out of the american taxpayer. >> chris, let me show you this. testimony yesterday. i opened the show last night, i knew there was a debate, but i'm trying to force this country to look at what's going on. look at this young lady testifying before congress yesterday that almost no one wants to talk about. >> i have been homeless on and off my whole life. my mom was a single mother with four kids, and has worked minimum-wage jobs her whole life. i want my life to be better. >> now, this young lady is a college student. in the midst of all of this, let me show this. the government spending bill would cut pell grants for 100,000 kids. how does a young woman we just heard from better herself? these are the people that say, lift yourselves up. this girl says i want to lift myself up.

they say, final, we'll snatch a pell grant from under you. >> and what is so frustrating about this theory that you see advanced by jim dement and other republicans is it doesn't pass even the most basic sniff test. could it possibly be the case we have this ballooning unemployment, job and poverty crisis in this country is between 2008 and 2011 americans got more lazy? they wanted to work less? they lost their drive and their ability to do work? no. clearly what has happened is there was a financial crisis that's precipitated this economic cataclysm, so to turn around and lay the blame at people's initiative, as if anyone is sort of laying around, it doesn't pass the most basic test of logic or sense. if you look at the causal mechanism, it's clearly the fact that the banks ran up this -- created this huge crisis. >> absolutely. congresswoman, when you look at the government spending bill, it also cuts assistance for heat.

>> yeah. >> for the heating bill, for low-income people, while it raises more funding for the pentagon. i mean, where are the democrats in screaming about stuff like this. this is blatant. you're going to cut heat to the low-income people while you give more money to the pentagon? are democrats having laryngitis? other than you and a few, i'm not hearing anybody scream about this. >> well, we need to scream and join the american people in screaming. we're getting ready to go into a winter. we can never predict what kind of winter it will be, but for certain there will be people all across this country who will not be able to heat their homes. that's for people who have homes. then there will be those folks sleeping on our streets and our corners, and in shelters because they've been run out of their homes and because we haven't been ability to find a way to get people in to work. the untold story here is that most people who have low incomes

in fact are working. they are working. they're just working jobs that don't pay them enough to meet the needs of their families. here we are in congress, we have, you know, we've just gotten out of a war, thank to president obama, that was not paid for under the bush administration. we're in another war that wasn't paid for. we have prescription drugs that weren't paid for. we bailed out financial interests and haven't paid for that, and yet low-income people are being asked to bear the entire burden of this economic turndown, and it's really not fair. i think people recognize that. when i hear a young woman who's struggling to get herself through college say i need a pell grant and i've been homeless most of my life, americans should be ashamed of that. >> that's right. >> that fact right there. and the congress has an obligation to act. we sure better do it before any members of congress go home to enjoy christmas with their families. >> that's why we're going to keep showing it. congresswoman edwards, chris hayes, thank you for joining me.

>> thank you. catch "up with chris hayes" saturdays and sundays right here on msnbc. let me say this. next surf is christmas. some of us celebrate christmas as a religious holiday. i'm a minister. i believe in christianity. i believe the script further said that the day of the original christmas was a day that joseph and mary couldn't get room in the inn to have their child. how do you sit christian right in the congress and not hear about homeless children and then go home and celebrate christ on the day they didn't have room in the inn for him? think about it. do you have room in your inn for homeless children? or are you just posing, like you believe in a story and celebrating your insensitivity? it's time for the christian

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the pander bears came out in iowa. forget about being yourself. forget about values or convictions. it's pander time. both willard and newt spent last night running from their pasts, trying to win over the extreme right, who control the primary process. they played a game of who can get away from their past fastest? >> i'm firmly in support of people not being discriminated against based on their sexual orientation. at the same times i oppose same-sex marriage. with regards to abortion, i changed my mind. effectively i was pro-choice. every decision i took as governor was taken on the side

of life. i've always supported the second amendment. we had a piece of legislation that came on our desk that provided an assault weapon ban. we decided to sign the bill. you can say well, i've changed my position on that, but i've been pro-gun and continue to be pro-gun. and then there was newt. >> i do change things when conditions change. i think my position on life has been very clear and consistent. i had a 98.5% right to life voting record in 20 years. my policy is to break up both fannie mae and freddie mac. he exploited that power just as chris dodd was in public office when he got special bargains from countrywide, a firm that went broke. i was a private citizen, engaged in a business like any other business. i only chose to work with people whose values i shared. >> one candidate refused to play

to the crowd. >> i'm not going to pander. i'm not going to contort myself into any, and i'm not going to sign those silly pledges, and i'm not going to show up at a donald trump debate. >> jon huntsman gets gassed when he says he's not going to pander, but look where it gets him. he's at the bottom of the pack. newt is up 27 points on him. it goes to show you in this race, if you don't dress up as a pander bear for the right, then you might as well hibernate. joining me now, "the washington post" columnist e.j. dionne, also a senior fellow at brookings institute, and msnbc contributor and steve car neki, political columnist for salon.com. thank you both for joining me tonight. >> good to be here. >> e.j., should they just change

their picture from an elephant to a panda bear? >> that would be kind of cuddlingy, wouldn't it? i think what you've got this year is a variation on an old theme. the old theme is republicans always ran to the right in the primary and then tried to run toward the middle in the general election, but the right now is way to the right of where it used to be. >> right. >> inside the republican party, in part because of the tea party movement, so you can't just be against president obama, you have to be really mad at president obama. you can't say nice things about government, you've got to be 100% with the nra. and so on. and i think that what they risk in this is simply the republican consultant told me some years ago. he said we win more races when our candidates don't have primaries, because if they have primaries these days, they've got to move to the right. >> that's what's happening here. >> that's a problem that this primary campaign especially is

going to pose to whoever wins it. >> steve, when you look at -- let's talk about ron paul. when you look at ron paul, now he's another one last night that didn't pander, and let me show what he said about how the united states should not bomb iran. >> for you to say there's scientific evidence and some people arguing that maybe in a year they might have a weapon, there's a lot more saying they don't have it to me the greatest danger is we'll have a president that will overreact. how do we treat people when they have a sneak lard weapon? with a lot more respect. what did we do with libya? we talked to them, talked them out of their nuclear weapon and then killed them. we need to approach this differently. we have 12,000 diplomats in our services. we ought to use a bit of diplomacy once in a while. >> now, before last night, mr.

paul was surging, people were saying that newt gingrich had actually gone down 12 points in iowa. the guy that might stun everybody was ron paul. but after he said that, let me show you this. today people are saying paul's vehement refusal to bomb iran may cause him to race with you hufb ton post reporter writes after thursday night's go, an influential republican leaned over to a reporter and said ron paul lost the way caucuses tonight. >> i don't necessarily buy that. i thinked winning number this year will be somewhere in the low to mid 20% range. >> all right. >> i think there's enough of a chunk of the electorate that sort of shares hi views and there's a bigger chunk that likes him so much on the economy stuff they'll overlook this.

but the bigger question if he wins in iowa and gets the momentum the candidate you recollectly gets out of iowa, views like this expressed like he expressed them last night will turning the entire sort of opinion-shaping class of the conservative movement against him. you're already seeing fox news hosts in primetime are turning their guns on ron paul. if he wins, it will be are lot worse and this is the stuff they'll be using. >> e.j., what is the dynamic at this point? what is the dynamic with the strength obviously of the tea party and the far right? how do we look at the dynamics of the primaries starting with the caucus january 3rd in iowa, and then how that plays out into the general? >> well, first steve had a good piece on how establishment republicans, fox news, are already going after ron paul, because he is less inclined to intervene abroad. i think he's right, that theres

a significant chunk of anti-intervention sentiment among conservatives. it doesn't usually get a voice. i'm not convinced that paul killed himself -- you know, lost a chance to win in iowa. i think you're now in a situation where newt gingrich has to win iowa. we wouldn't have said anything like that two or three weeks ago, but i think now the expectations of him are so high, and he's had a lead there that he's got to come out of iowa with a victory. that really then puts mitt romney in a real test in new hampshire, and i think what you're going to see all the non-romney candidates do is say, well, mitt romney had an enormous lead in new hampshire, so he's going to have to lead that onably a really big margin. so i think that's kind of the dynamic. >> do you agree with that, steve, gingrich has to win iowa and romney has to win new hampshire.

>> definitely romney has to win new hampshire. i would hedge the iowa a bit. romney turns around and wins new hampshire and there's an interesting dynamic in south carolina and throughout the south, mitt romney's poll numbers are particularly bad. i think there's skepticism in south carolina toward a mormon candidate. he's only got about 13% there. he really can't crack that in the polls right now, so i think there's still an opening even at the he comes out new hampshire with a win. until he proves to me he can win down south, i'm skeptical. e.j., a news flash for you. despite the fact gingrich was speaker, despite the fact he was in congress all those years, despite the fact that he worked k street like no one we know, $100 million in ten years, he's an outsider. i can prove it. listen.

>> i'm not trying to portray myself as an outsider, look at the reaction of the establishment on both parties. they think i'm an outsider, because i am. if you look at all the patterns i have and the way i've done things, i've consistently been in the country much more than i've been in washington, in terms of the psychology of how you measure things. >> e.j., doesn't he have to try to play against his establishment credentials to try to appeal to that far right and make himself an outsider? >> you know, before he became speaker, he was seen as an outsider in politics. he's still playing off that. a lot of conservatives still see him that way. what's helping him is what he pointed to. when you see all of the conservative columnists, all the people in washington, including people who worked with him, condemning him, they are doing that in order to help him to

prevent him from winning the nomination. he can turn it arrange and say, see, this whole establishment doesn't want me, that must mean i'm on your side, members of the tea party, or all you reps who are alienated from washington. so i think in a way they are all playing into newt gingrich's hands on this question. >> interesting. e.j. dionne, steve karnaki, thank you both for your time. have a good weekend. >> you too, reverend. ahead, we'll go inside the gop race to ask, can newt take all the punches that are being thrown at him and still survive? and the recall effort against scott walker is on fire, but now is the time to step up the fight. the big money's pouring in. but it could stop us. that's next.

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welcome back. a funny thing happened to willard mid romney in the final countdown before the iowa caucuses. the target fell off his back. until now, willard's been the focus of attack in almost all of the dozen gop debates, but in sioux city, iowa, romney's republican rivals went after the front-runner, newt gingrich. >> speaker gingrich took $1.6 million. the bidding was to keep this grandiose scam of freddie mac going. >> speaker had a conservative revolution against him when he was the speaker of the house. >> it's very, very dangerous. some people says if it goes to extreme, it becomes fascism, because big business and big gov

get together. >> willard couldn't land a punch, but his super pac is doing all kinds of dirty work for him. >> newt has a ton of baggage. he was fined $300,000 for ethics violation, before it helped cause the economic meltdown. newt supports amnesty, and teamed with nancy pelosi and al gore on global warming. >> newt continuing to remain positive, but how many punches can he take before cracking? >> joining me is nia malika henderson, a national reporter for "the washington post," who also follows the presidential race in the post-2012 election blog, and bob franken who's covered gingrich for years. bob, you've seen newt gingrich operate for a long time. how do you think he'll respond to this full-on political attack he's getting now? >> well, i suspect he has

figured out that the best offense is a good defense for the most part during the debates he could stand off to the side grinning lice a cheshire cat, but now he's the dumpee, the one who is getting all this. you saw he really sort of rolled with the punches. i suspect that he's going to be able to do that. i don't think his problem is what somebody else might say about him. it's what he might say. this is a guy who sort of takes the 50 monkeys at a typewriter attitude toward ideas. he just throwing them out. some are demonstrableably goofy. that's how i think he might be harmed, but he's a man that got angry at the president, because he didn't have the seat he wanted in air force one. are you telling me at some point he's not going to revert back to being newt, he can continue to play this? you are buying this conversion story that he's putting out,

bob? >> let's not forget that in politics, positive means negative, but sometimes the way that you can accomplish this is by just pretending that you're aloof, let the other people sort of flame out. don't forget this time he's trying hard to get a better seat on air force one. >> that might be true. i'm talking about conversion, not religious conversion, but political conversion. >> let me make one other point. >> go ahead, bob. >> in fairness, i think if you're going to be refer to mitt romney as willard, we should point out that newt gingrich has a real first name, leroy. >> leroy? i wish you told me that when we were on the education tour. hey, leroy, that would have been great. nia, let me ask you, as we watch leroy newt deal with these things. last night i've got to give bob

credit, newt did kind of take a couple zings, and even tried to turn one around. look at how he dealt with being called zany. >> i sometimes get accused of using language that's too strong. so i've been standing here editing. i'm very concerned about not appearing to be zany. >> kind of turned that one around, when leroy was talking last night. >> yeah, he did. it was the subtle way, i think, of jabbing at mitt romney, almost trying to draw him into maybe trying to swing at newt gingrich. he of course did not. that whole night. i think in some ways mitt romney owes michele bachmann like a box of chocolates or flowers, because she did his dirty work last night in going after newt gingrich. i think she landed a couple

blows, not only on him, but also on ron paul. she did with gingrich over this whole idea of fannie and freddie, a great argument there, the whole idea she was trying to run them into bankruptcy, as he was taking million, ron paul exposed as someone who the gop establishment, or even this is grass-roots tea party folks might not like because of his isolationist views. i think the real question for newt gingrich going forward, these next two weeks is does he have the money to mount a consistent argument, not only on fox news, but also on the air waves in iowa, and does he have those troops? does he have the precinct captains in those 99 counties who are going to get those people out in the dead of winter in iowa when it's going to be snowing, which everybody is bundled up. you look at his schedule, he'll be doing a book signing, he's going to his wife's concert here in d.c., not looking a lot like the schedule of other folks in

iowa and now on bus tours. >> i don't like it when people -- >> well, there's another characteristic about iowa that has to be remembered, that is that the republican party in iowa is dominated by the religious conservatives. newt gingrich potentially has some problems given some of the factors in his past. i think that we have to make sure that we keep our eyes on rick perry. rick perry is well financed. rick perry has been running a very clever commercial that appeals to these religious conservatives, so we can't discount him yet. >> nia, when you talked about the money and the organization, you also have to talk about the money that's going against him. look at what romney's pac -- willard has a super pac that has $3.2 million they are spending in iowa. and compared to newt, leroy, on

planning to spend $233,000. we just had an embed from nbc to show show us that we have this coming out of ron paul's campaign. they sent a mailer to iowa voters saying among other things gingrich is the latest flavor of the month, this particular flavor, however, will leave a bitter taste. so nia, not only is it a question does he have the money to fight, the question is that the guys against him are spending money to paint a bad picture of him. >> exactly. there's just been this wholesale dumping on newt gingrich, not only from his immediate rivals in this race, but from the washington establishment, folks like kathleen parker, george will, peggy noonan, the national review, they're big non-endorsement titled against gingrich. so this is what he's battling. he of course is taking this tactic he's pretty much not

going to fight dirty at this point. we'll have to see if he's able to do that, if he's able to mount some sort of message, into you so far he hasn't really been able to give a narrative or real argument for why he should be president. you have all these people who are saying this guy is zany, sort of the nutty professor, waving around a hand grenade with a finger on the pin. he hasn't been able to say, no, this is what i would do as president, this is the way i would govern. i think that will be a real challenge. he's got two weeks or so to mount his case while mitt romney has enough of a campaign not only in iowa, also in new hampshire, he got this big endorsement, mitt romney did, from the governor down there in south carolina. i do think he'll have a problem down there with those evan yell cals, but again, half iowa, who after new hampshire will look like a president? i think that will be a question. >> bob, i have to tell you this, the politics nation research department reports that newt's

real name is newton leroy. we won't forget it. and if you want to deny it, newt, bring me your birth certificate. i'll even meet you at donald trump's office so you can turn it over. bob and nia, thanks for your time. have a good weekend. ahead, for the first time since the penn state scandal exploded, we're hearing from the man who says he witnessed sexual abuse. but what did he do after? and what did penn state do? that's next. this new at&t 4g lte is fast. did you hear sam... ...got promoted to director? so 12 seconds ago. we should get him a present. thanks for the gift basket. you're welcome. you're welcome. did you see hr just sent out new... ...office rules? cause you're currently in violation of 6 of them. oh yeah, baby? ...and 7. did you guys hear that fred is leaving? so 30 seconds ago. [ noisemakers blow ] [ both ] we'll miss you! oh, facecake! there's some leftover cake. [ male announcer ] the new htc vivid. stay a step ahead with at&t 4g lte, with speeds up to 10x faster than 3g.

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welcome back to "politics nation." a major day in the penn state sexual abuse scandal. today, for the first time, we're hearing from the man who says he witnessed sexual abuse in the penn state locker room 9 years ago. assistant coach mike mcqueary took the stand describing in graphic detail seeing sandusky standing behind a young boy with his hand around his waist. mcqueary then walked away in shock, returning less than a minute later. prosecutors asked him how close were you?

on the third look, i would say the showers -- i was maybe two to three yards, maybe six feet. did you go into the shower? >> no. did you say anything? no, i did not. i know they saw me. they looked directly in my eye, both of them. did either of them say anything to you? no. what did you do at that point? seeing that they are separated, i thought it was best to leave the locker room and i left the locker room. so in later testimony, he makes it very clear he told senior penn state officials exactly what he saw as we know they did not go to the police. joining me now is "daily beast" contributor buzz bissinger. he of course also is the author of "friday night lights." buzz, was today's testimony a dagger to the defense? >> well, i think it was a real

dagger to the defense, because the thing i take away from it, reverend, is the fact that his testimony today under oath was very, very consistent with his grand jury testimony. she said what he thought it was sexual intercourse. he was not 1,000% sure, but as you just read, what he describes, let the jury describe for yourself when you see a 60-year-old man with his arm around the waist and the kid has his arms against the wall. i didn't siam holes to shoot through, it was clear he should have called the police. he didn't. he definitely told paterno. paterno didn't even call anyone that day, because he didn't want to bother anyone on the weekend? what is that about? >> about of i get to paterno, let me go back to the original part. ma query says he told schultz

andcurlyy -- and then gary schultz denies he got the full story from mcqueary. he says, quote, did mechanic query relate what he saw in the locker room? answer, no, it was a very general way, no details. so, buzz, you have them -- their -- him clearly saying he told the superiors it was sexual, they're denying it. then you go to what you say paterno, what he told him. here this is interesting. quote -- paterno was shocked and sad, sat back in his chair. he said, i'm sorry you had to see that. it's terrible. i need to tell some people what you saw, and i'll tell you what we'll do next. obviously he told paterno a lot. you don't fall back in your chair shocked if you're not

telling you something. >> you're exactly right. he slumps back in his chair. he's shocked, as you say, i'm sorry you had to see that, so he must have told him something. what does he do? he does nothing. but he tells curley. the worst villain is schultz. he does add mir mcqueary saying he grabbed the boy's genitals, sandusky, dhaz normal behavior? not only that, schultz admits he knew about the original incident in 1998, and now he knows about an incident in 2002. c'mon, two incidents against the same person in four years? you don't put it together? you don't ask yourself if there is something disturbing. >> tell the viewers who schultz is again. >> gary schultz is the executive vice president at penn state, who was in charge of the police. that's why he would have been in on the meetings, and mcqueary

says, i thought i was going to the police, and schultz, in fact he's a d.a. in charge of the police. as i say, he knows about two incidents, not just one. he knows 1998, where no charges were filed, then he hears about this in 2002. >> so schultz knew about the '98 case, when he hears this about the guy grabbing the genitals, he not only hears something that i don't know how he considers it normal, but he also knows there's a history with the same person. >> exactly right. i mean, come on. any right-thinking -- a 14-year-old kid would say, wait a second. two alleged incidents? something is really off here. we must do something. this must be investigated. at the very least, schultz could tell his police department to investigate it. he does nothing. in his grand jury testimony he was extremely evasive. what do you think sexual misconduct is?

i don't know. it snowstormal to grab -- >> i've got to go, buzz. not only do you think you think it's probable cause, so does the judge. thank you for your time, buzz. >> hey, thank you. we'll be right back. cuban ca jun raw seafood pizza parlor french fondue tex-mex fro-yo tapas puck chinese takeout taco truck free range chicken pancake stack baked alaska 5% cash back. right now, get 5% cash back at restaurants. it pays to discover. ♪

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christopher hitchens, the writer, journalist and atheist died yesterday from pneumonia, after a long battle with cancer. he was 62 years old. i knew christopher, and can tell you, he was a man with strong convictions, never shied away from criticizing those in power, whether in politics or in religion. while we certainly did not see eye too aon a lot of issues, i always respected for what he fought passionately. we duked it out here on this network, sparring over religion. >> are you asking me or telling me? >> well, i'm the peace maker

here. >> get off your knees and stop groveling. >> people should not confuse go with those who represent him or misrepresent him. that's my main disagreement with mr. hitchens. >> morally serious p earn should welcome excommunication from the catholic church. >> make sure you note he mentioned the catholic church, i didn't. >> that was on a special edition of "hardball." his passion extended beyond political arguments. in the latest published piece, christopher hitchens said he wanted to tackle death head-on. quote -- i have decided to take whatever my disease can throw at me, and to stay combative, even while taking the measure of my inevitable decline. this is no more than what a healthy person has to do in slower motion. it is our common fate. that sounds like christopher,