tv The Dylan Ratigan Show MSNBC January 9, 2012 4:00pm-5:00pm EST
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politicians, it's a small price to pay. >> reporter: 600 million. how did you enjoy being on our show? >> i found it to be spectacular. and i was curious, because now with the internet -- >> are you using sufficiently strong language to describe the experience? >> i'm going to give you a precise answer. the reason i found it to be so spectacular is that we're tracking the launch of this book. so what we notice, though, martin, is that we're thinking the "the today show" is a good place to communicate with a certain type of audience. twitter and other things are a good area. but your show uniquely provides access to the smartest and
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highly-motivated users, but you provide access to the international markets on the prestige of your accents. >> that's the reason. international sales. and you call the bankers greedy? are you kidding me? we just had a confession. the show starts now. good afternoon to you. a celebratory one around here. i'm dylan ratigan. the big story continues to be auction 2012. it's the eve of the launch. and the new hampshire primary, more importantly. so today the show is all about money and politics. the republican candidates are making closing arguments to gran it state it voters before they head to the polls tomorrow. >> i'm going to try to fix america. i'm not trying to fix the republican party. i'm trying to fix america. >> the best way to influence the
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party is win and win or do exceptionally well. >> we're running a grass roots effort. >> you have to have broad shoulders and you have to take the heat to be in the kitchen. >> mitt romney taking some heat in new hampshire since iowa. but the fact of the matter is he's a remarkably strong front runner. he was the governor in neighboring massachusetts. only two questions really for tomorrow, which is how big will romney's lead be and who will come in second? we all know who the real winners are in this election thus far. the super packs. that anonymous secret money that flies around assassinating characters. they spent $ 2 million in the gran it state. but romney is the target of that super pack money. and the super packs are dominating the air waves and the
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sunday morning nbc debates. >> governor, i wish you would state it's your former state running the pack. and you know some of them are behind it. >> of course, it's former staff of mine. of course, it's people who support me. i haven't seen the ads. and under the law, i can't direct their ads. >> so we start with ron mott. and the new paradigm of american politics, we have the politics and we have their anonymous friends who buy ads on their behalf who they can't talk to, but are good at sharp shooting opponents. what's the mood over there? >> a big day for you tomorrow. good luck with that. big day here in new hampshire for the candidates. we just were at an event with speaker gingrich. he packed his schedule full of seven events today. so he's running a bit behind schedule. but the super packs are raising
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the level of rhetoric here in this it race. mitt romney get iting attacked viciously by the former speaker yesterday in the meet the press debate. he laid down a slam dunk on mitt romney when the speaker said let's cut the bologna when mitt romney was trying to describe his career as not being one of a career politician, but one who wanted to help his state. around the state, they are campaigning hard trying to get out the last few votes. mitt romney well ahead in the polls. butt big story is his polling support has dropped over the past few days. it will be interesting to see how big a lead he will win. most people believe he will win. ron paul is in second. then there's a race for third between jon huntsman, who seems to be charging a bit. and then newt gingrich and rick santorum, whose sizzle from iowa seems to be fizzling. they are out trying to get the
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vote out. it's going to be an interesting day tomorrow. >> let's stay in new hampshire in manchester where we're find charlie matassy. charlie, i'll start with you. we watched the super pack money used masterfully by newt gingrich to assassinate mitt romney. how much of a dynamic is this new side bomb where you can't get people to vote for you, but you can spend money to make the other guy look worse? >> i don't think you see the same carpet bombing affect that you saw in iowa. it department make a lot of sense. the strategic call clous wasn't
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there to spend it it all in iowa. the playing field changes in new hampshire. you're going to get to a more iowa-like situation than you're seeing now in new hampshire when the super packs aren't playing an e nor o mouse role. >> when you look at the money, forget the weapon ri and the how it's used. we watched 16 million on the ground in iowa. of that, more than 100 million of economic activity with reporters and staffers and cab companies and hotels. it's as if the presidential election has become -- if you look at the mathematics, they are going to get $7 billion on the money on the ground. the presidential election has become bigger than the olympics and the super bowl combined when it comes to hotels and tourism. is it a good or bad thing for deciding who should set the policies of the nation?
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>> it's like a traveling road show. we sort of all were in iowa last week and decamped. now we're in new hampshire. everybody is preparing to go to south carolina. and then florida. we're looking forward to warmer weather, i think, with south carolina and florida coming up. >> do you think to yourself, charlie, in england they do this in six weeks. everybody shows up. we fight with each other for six weeks. how did i find myself back on the road again? >> well, i'm a little polly annish about this. it's a good thing states take their responsibilities seriously. they pay close attention. we have so much attention being paid to the presidential race. for the country, it's a good thing to have this sort of saturation level coverage. it's great for business too. don't get me wrong. it's probably good for us as a people to have this vigorous, robust debate. >> then this a question for both
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of you. when you look at the polling, forget the polling on the support numbers for obama. when you look at the polling on americans who are demanding reform, who are saying if given a choice, majority of americans don't want barack obama or mitt romney to be president. the congressional approval ratings are at an all-time low. how is that manifesting on the campaign trail either through the quality or nature of the crowds? or by crowd sizes or any other variable? interested in whether you see a street manifestation of what we see in the polls? i'll start with matt. >> mitt romney tries to tap into that, which spurred the bologna comment from newt gingrich. but romney is trying to tap into it i'm an outsider not from washington. so you're frustrated with these guys, vote for me. whether that passes the test, we'll have to see.
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but there's a lot of excitement. and they are predicting record voter turnouts here in new hampshire tomorrow. so there's something going on. there's some excitement. people are excited about the election in some ways. >> how do you interpret this charlie? some say it's a sign things are more troubled because people are more motivated to vote. these e are like tea leaves. how do you look at it? >> when you look at the polling, it's a record level of instability in the numbers. people are upset with congress and politicians of all levels. you see that in the occupy wall street movement. they have disrupted a number of events here. one way is the ron paul message. here's a guy who has at least doubled his score from four years ago. listen to the heart of his message. it's a grim, dark speech. and he sees himself as a con
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fender. he has a constituency. that reflects the instability of the elect rat. >> listen guys, stay healthy. and get some sleep. we appreciate the low down. charlie and matt, thank you. coming up on this special, as we approach the two-year anniversary of the citizens united decision, look at that money fly. how that supreme court ruling has rocked the very foundation of our political process, corrupted it to the core, and how we're seeing the effects of those corrupted policies in every layer of every policy in this country. plus before there was occupy, there was the 99% moveme movement. you ever hear of that? and guess what they were galvanized around? the influence of money and politics. one of the original members will join us. and then the top ten reasons
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long before the occupy wall street movement became main street, global occupations all over the world, the 99% movement was already hard at work. for months, in fact, more than a year before. their primary focus, getting money out of politics. our next guest one of the original occupiers in zuccotti park and for that matter, an original member of the 99%.
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david degraw joins us from los angeles, where he's currently advocating the same language from the same resolution that was passed by a general assembly in new york last week. david has been with us on the show before. he's also editor of a website, which i recommend if you're looking for significant coverage of the occupy movement and the 99% movement. david, it's wonderful to have you back on the show. how are you holding up? >> good, man. thanks for having me back on. i appreciate it. >> i want to read everybody the amendment that was passed by the general assembly in zuccotti park on a resolution calling for "raising the level, this is a language from the new york occupation last week. we resolve to firmly establish that money is not speech. human beings are persons entitled to constitutional
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rights and the rights of human beings will never be grant odd to fictitious entities or property. give us briefly what the background is in terms of the rational for the choice of that language at the new york general assembly. >> right. well, as i have been talking to you about in the past, i have been talking to organizers throughout the country. i'm out here in l.a. now. and, you know, i'm looking -- everyone is working hard 24/7 fighting a battle here. sbleep is hard to come by. from a personal perspective, i'm at a place where i can't sustain being pulled in a thousand different ways. i'm trying to focus my energy into talking to organizers and see where we can find common ground. and obviously, occupy wall street is bigger than one issue. but, you know, if you peel back the layers on many of the issues that occupy is addressing, you
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can see that underlying that is money and politics. so no matter what your primary is, the underlying root cause comes down to money in politics. there are already thousands of groups within the occupy wall street movement who are organizing on a local level and building towards a national level to get money out of politics via a constitutional amendment. so a working group in new york just put this to the g.a. in new york city and passed this resolution, as you just mentioned. so now i'm out in l.a. talking to organizers hoping we can pass a similar solidarity resolution at the occupy l.a. camp that we passed in new york. and hopefully, we can build this throughout the country and coordinate with the working groups that are working towards this constitutional amendment. >> i want to talk about some of the polling data. we talk about the new hampshire polls. we might as well talk about some of the occupation polls. however, informal we may be.
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according to a survey of occupy boston, their number one issue ending corporate personhood. again, the goal of the occupy movement 57% of the occupiers say undoing economic inequality. this is according to l.a. progressive, where you are. 59% of occupiers say they should focus on campaign financing. here's the most interesting number. 30% of occupiers the lack of a single focus gives the movement strength. and i'm interested in sort of how you feel you're being receive received in advocating the single point of focus, which seems to resinate with two-thirds of the crowds based on these informal polls with the one-third that are wedded to the less-focused agenda. >> i don't think there should be
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one focus. i'm not saying that. but i do think from my own personal perspective, i sent out an e-mail to 500 occupy wall street organizers asking them if they would support our efforts to organize along campaign financing. and the response was overwhelmingly, yes. people might not want to have one focus, and that's understandable, because it's a complex issue or complex set of issues that we are faced with and confronted with right now. but my focus and many people throughout the movement, i think the one issue that has the most consensus is clearly getting money out of politics, ending campaign financing, and the lobbying bracket. >> david, you know you have my wholehearted support as does the entire occupation movement as you seek to find this direction. and i know that the occupation movement is certainly a
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remarkably fortunate to have the level of commitment that not only you have, but so many folks that are involved with what's going on with this who have really forfeited income, sleep, and all the rest of it to do this. so thank you for joining us this afternoon. and we'll talk to you soon, okay, david? >> all right. thank you. really fast. martin luther king day, we'll be honoring the day. i'll be calling for a constitutional amendment. >> that's all on monday? >> that's on this monday. mr tin luter king day. occupydream.org. people can get more information. >> okay. occupydream.org. thank you. we look forward to seeing your actions. we'll talk to folks involved with that when it comes to next monday.
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the panel sitting here patiently listening to the conversation. what would the political world look like? i know there are certainly factions within the tea party that view electoral funsing. they point to the incumbency. what would be the implications be if the occupation movement let alone factions of the tea party movement were to take up this issue, sam? >> i mean, i think it's actually broader than the campaign. it's got to be a campaign that has to run. >> the question i'm asking for 2012 is we're not seeing them talking about the republican primaries. we see every national politician basically avoid it one way or the other. i wonder if you think there's enough juice on the ball with this in the corners to make it even into a question? >> both sides would are
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rushing -- >> outside pressure to do it. >> i think it absolutely will be a backlash. $16 million was spent by those packs on the iowa caucuses alone. that's going to snowball. 2012 will be a tipping point. you were talking about money out but this is going to be a tipping point. it's going to become an issue by november. it's going to be in our faces every day. >> you slept down at one of the original occupations. i'm interested in your perception of the potential for a movement. >> what i was most impressed with is that they weren't talking like the d.c. occupiers who were policy-oriented. it was all about democracy. they thought their voice in shape pg the world around them was being drown out. in all of that, they're right.
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i don't agree with the solutions that it -- >> there's one solution. let's just talk about that. forget the solutions. what's your point of view on the advocacy of getting money out of politics, and as a sub text to that, term limits. you can go -- >> i think that where the decisions are made isn't when it comes to the fact that the super packs get to run ads that try to persuade american voters. the problems is behind closed doors. it's lobbyists. if i try to build a common ground, it's the revolving door. it's the lobbying. it's the fact i would want every congressman and every cabinet member to have to report every meeting they had with a lobbyist. that the lobbying is more in cities. >> for 30 years, there's studies that show that policies end up getting settled in favor of the richest in this country. that's what it is.
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that's the biggest problem is that the mega wealthy have an inorder nant amount of political power. decisions get discued in their favor. >> you imagine if the whole occupation was on campaign finance? to get money out? you could have an interesting debate. the panel stays. symptoms of what ails us. the impact of citizens united on each of our lives and how one grass roots movement is fighting back. my wife and i have three wonderful children and they make my life just perfect. we were having too much fun, we weren't thinking about a will at that time. we were in denial. that's right. [ laughter ] we like our freedoms, but at the same time we have responsibilities to the kids and ourselves. we're the vargos and we created our wills on legalzoom.
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comes full circle through this issue of money in politics. . >> all these problems have solutions that are pretty obvious and simple. the only reason we don't enact the immediate solution is because of the excessive power of the effective industry. >> i feel that somebody raided my brain and made a commercial in the middle of the night. it's been two years since citizens united opened flood gates of secret money in politics. there isn't been this volume of it with this limited level of disclosure. republicans have always argued for transparency. democrats have argued for restrictions. the video you saw is part of an effort by people for the american way. it is their undertaking to get the supreme court ruling of 2010 reversed. the symptoms of the disease that money in politics are is obvious in the 2012 presidential election where campaigns and super packs with secret money are intent on raising cash, but on using it to manipulate the
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optics. not through edadvocacy. whether you hate newt gingrich or don't like mitt romney, a system that allows a super pack to take anyone out, e eventually it will be your politician in those cross hairs. joining us is marge baker. let's cut to the chase. your whole commercial is kitchen table issues. because money in politics prevents them from getting resolved. >> that's correct. the only answer we have to the toxic issue of money in politics is to amend the constitution. we're working with organizations with literally millions of members around the country and organizations including common cause, free speech for the people, move o amend, people for the american way, we're all working together as part of this umbrella called united for the people. we're working to call attention to the problems of citizens
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united and urge its amendment. urge the amendment to the constitution. >> a quick question then i'll release you to the panel. when you look at the history of constitutional amendments, to lower the voting age to 18, like that. it was a justice issue. it was unjust to send an american man or woman to war who couldn't even vote for the president. it wasn't a left or right issue. it was an unjust issue. era. in principle, a justice issue. men and women equal. but the prosecution of that campaign came from the left. and as a result, the era ultimately became perceived as a left amendment. how do people like you reach out to tim carney and others that are in the tea party that are in the conservative faction, the libertarian people that would be persuaded but might be alienated by the liberal politics that some of the organizations are
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into away from this issue? >> i think it's fair to say those in the constellation don't believe this is a partisan issue. it's not a republican or democratic issue. this is an issue that the american people care about. and the american people there, the polling as you show it, overwhelmingly people think there's too much corporate money in politics. >> the constitution has been amended 27 times. >> 17 times. >> women's rights and so forth. a lot of these years, what time scale are you looking at for this? >> grass root organizing. as we heard from the previous person you had on, this is a time to organize on the ground for people to express their views and go to their city councils and state legislatures and compel their elected officials to look at this issue. to understand the importance of amending the constitutions. this movement is going to grow.
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then we will see some real action. there have been ten resolutions already introduced in congress in the house and senate. it's fantastic those are in. right now, i think the organizing, which is what we're trying to do, is to try to help support that grass roots organizing. that grass roots pressure for amending the constitution. >> but a lot of us worry that when government gets in the business of regulating who can participate in political speech in what ways that it's an infringement on civil liberties. citizens united was a nonprofit group. they were trying to put out a dvd criticizing the woman who was the front runner to be president of the united states. and the fec was saying it's illegal for you to put out a movie criticizing this woman because it's too close to the election she's participating in. so maybe we agree on banks have too much control, but how do you draw the line between that and other groups that want to have
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their voice heard and think that doing it collectively is the most effective way to do it? >> there's a couple issues. one, the supreme court didn't have to take the radical step it did to unleash the power of corporate treasuries on the election system in order to deal with the issue. they didn't want to. there was so many ways they could have done it. they could have said it wasn't an election year. they reached out deliberately wanted to decide this decision in as big a way possible. what we have now is not political speech. we have money flooding the air waves so there is no debate. who is auctioning off the elections? >> tim brings up an interesting issue, though, which is -- we agree. the current auction process is an abomination. but tim brings up a valid
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question, which is let's say an amendment passes. now you have some control mechanism. you still, by the way, have massively distorted power for me and everybody else who hosts a tv show to shoot their mouths off. or whoever else it might be. there are other distorting aspects. money is not the panacea. or the amendment isn't. for all of us to think about, it's interesting to think what is the appropriate mechanism for political communication if, in fact, you're going to get involved with money, which is how we're currently purchasing communication? >> right now, our hands are tied. the supreme court said you can't do anything. >> but you can see that he makes a valid point. >> we have to have a rational regulatory structure. but right now, the court is saying we can't do anything. that's the problem. >> is the most important amendment one that deals with corporate personhood? because is it that it -- is that
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the key to the whole thing? corporations do not have the same rights as people. a lot of things fall into place. or what is the amendment? >> one important thing is i don't think the amendment right now, there's a healthy exciting dialogue going on now about what that amendment should look like so we can do the framework you're talking about. one way to go at it is deal with corporate personhood. >> or as the occupation did, to say money is not speech and corporations are not speech. that's what you call the full monte. >> we're trying to have the debate and use the anniversary of the citizens united decision to do the events to call attention. >> i think it's also important to keep voices like tim's, but others like mark meckler from the tea party patriots. i know these people have
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significant reservations with the functioning of the electoral system, as we do. but we offer -- they are good critics to issues. other times they have good points. there's room for a vigorous debate. i hope we can include all comers. >> i couldn't agree more. this is an exciting time we're in. >> marge baker, people for the american way. if they want to learn more? >> go to united4thepeople.org. >> a wonderful resource in addition to what's going on with the occupation and the folks who get money out. the list goes on. it's an interesting time. straight ahad, we say adieu to the panel. that was my version of french. it was pretty good. next highlights from our new top ten list of reasons to get money
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just in time for tomorrow's prima primary, we came up with a list of the reasons we should get money out of politics. it's at the top of the huffington post. but here's a peek at the top five reasons. here we go. reason number five. we have no trust in our elected officials according to the research center. one in four of us believe they can trust their government at all. we're particularly distrustful of those we vote for. reasons number four. voters think that cash is king. a cnn opinion poll from this thursday, a couple days back, shows a whopping 86% of us are of the believe that the biggest influence on our elected officials is pressure from their campaign donors at our expense. and if you look at the evidence, health care, banking, et cetera, we know they are right.
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reason number three. 48% of american voters think most of congress is corrupt. openly. and with millions of dollars being pumped into the primaries alone, it's difficult not to raise your suspicions. number two. congress's main job, so you've been elected to congress. congratulations. get to work on not legislating or debating or dealing with energy trade. forget that. we're going to need you to raise money. it's a well-known fact that u.s. house incumbents are expected to raise $10,000 a week, and the freshmen as they are recruited in, are used in a hazing process to raise money to fund the party frequently spending 70% of their day dialing for dollars. and finally the number one reason to get money out of politics in 2012. quite simply, the candidate who raises the most money wins. that's called an auction. i pay the most.
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i get what i want. it doesn't matter what anybody else wants. that's the mathematical opposite of a democracy. certainly not the one that our forefathers envision ed. for the other five reasons we need to get money out, head over to the huntington post. auction 2012. ten reasons to get money out. coming up in the age of owner frustration, riots, protests. could the best way to get control of an unruly mob be to give them fewer rules? the author of a book set in the year 2057, where he says there's no government. [ male announcer ] imagine facing the day with less chronic osteoarthritis pain. imagine living your life with less chronic low back pain.
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who share your military values. for our free usaa retirement guide, call 877-242-usaa. imagine it. the collapse of america by financial meltdown. we are left with nothing but this manual. written by our next guest giving us instructions on how to survive in a society with no government. it may sound like every anarchist's dream, or some other people's nightmare. could we actually function in such a world? believe it or not, the work was written by a former economist for the federal reserve, david barker. the book is called "become to free america". what's your premise? >> that in the absence of government, society could still function. it would be very difficult to get there. the transition period would be chaotic and very bad.
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but eventually, free market institutions would step up and take over the functions that government does now. >> keep talking. >> okay. well, there are a lot of easy cases. think of roads and schools. we can imagine private companies handling those. we would probably do a better job. they would have tolls that vary with the time of day to reduce congestion and other innovations a government monopoly does not do. other things would be more difficult to imagine. such as security. if we had private arbitration instead of courts, people would agree a head of time. or security firms would provide protection for people. you would agree to follow a list of rules they had. they said we'll protect you as long as you don't violate those rules. >> let's back up and look at the current apparatus. where power is clearly
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constantly being breeched and corrupted in a relationship by threatened interests, health insurance companies, large banking system, or a nut maker or anybody else. they have the privilege of being able to send money to policymakers to make sure they don't screw up the game. it's like paying money to the government to protect the horse and buggy guys because you're threatened by the car. even though we have had this revolution in the way we do things, we don't want to do it. this is a fantasy you portrayed. i don't mean to overly -- how would i prevent the same corruption from occurring and being more prevalent? if and if you're going to go to private security, isn't that a trip to the dark ages? it's that a feudal structure? >> the problem you're talking about with money in politics, my approach would be to get rid of the politics instead of the money. the real problem is that government has this power to bestow favors on one group or
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another so they bid for those favors. if we simply take out the money, but leave the power, we still have the problem. because favors will still be given to different groups and people will still have power they shouldn't get. but if we reduce the power of politicians, reduce the power of government, then that becomes less of a problem. >> the only thing that gives rise in my head when you say that is, there is a tendency for those with power, in any environment whether private, public, no money, money, to either overly lookout for their own self-interest and certainly have a significant undervaluing to the weakest 10%, let's say, of a given group. thus we saw edwin mallory. if we don't have a cultural myth
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to nobility and great among the society, they become predators. and the argument for government, which i believe personally has some validity, is that the government is in place to inhibit some of the more predatory natures of power. >> two things. we need competition. competition tends to mitigate a lot of the problems. but if you have competing forces, that makes it difficult for one of them to have too much power. >> who sets the rules of the competition? >> the rules can develop on their own. >> you still need rules. in other words, you can't play football, we're all enjoying the nfl flayoffs right now. but you can't play a game without an agreement from the players ahead of time. 10 yards for a first down. those. >> those agreements can come through agreements between the parties. the other thing is culture.
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a free market system will only work if you have the right culture. just as democracy only works if you have a culture that respects it. before elections, people would have said that's impossible. the winner of the election will just shoot the -- the loser will just shoot the winner. but we have a culture this doesn't happen. and this system actually works. the same is true of free market. >> well, it doesn't work that well. i have a lot of folks that says maybe it's better than china, but that's not saying much. >> that's very true. i think there are inherent problems with any system of power. but democracy works better than someone might have thought a few hundred years ago. markets can work well in a culture that respects and understands how marketing work. >> and imagine if the democracy hadn't become an actual auction market. we made -- it's interesting. if you add market, we have made the one thing you don't want to
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have via market, which is the market for power, a market. >> unfortunately, it's inevitable. >> i hear that. i hope you'll continue to join us. you add a wonderful twist to the debate. and i appreciate it. >> thank you very much. >> david barker. "welcome to free america." we'll take a break. hardball is next. chris live in new hampshire. first, something you don't see every day in politics. a moment of awe then tisty. when you have tough pain, do you want fast relief? try bayer advanced aspirin. it's not the bayer aspirin you know. it's different. first, it's been re-engineered with micro-particles. second, it enters the bloodstream fast, and rushes relief to the site of your tough pain. the best part? it's proven to relieve pain twice as fast as before. bayer advanced aspirin. test how fast it works for you. love it, or get your money back.
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misstatements, flip-flops, and lies in politics when a politician displays a rare moment of authenticity, it becomes a news story. remember the 2008 primary with hillary clinton? we experienced one honest moment on the 2012 campaign trail. i'm not talking about newt gingrich. in fact, it's not what he said at all, but what he didn't. when he refused to call mitt romney for the congratulatory call, he said much more about what he thinks of mitt romney than he ever has in a debate. being gracious is a character trait we aspire to. we may say the right thing, but how many actually mean the words, you played a great game? or the better man won today? and ifour coworker won, you
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may want to say a lot of things once the game is over, but good game probably isn't on that list. political races are filled with cheap shots. being more bruising, after all, even in football players don't go after each other's families on the field. at the end of play, yao supposed to pick up the phone and call the guy who beat you, possibly by lying about you or your spouse to say congratulations. i wish you the best. even though we know you wish he would get hit by a bus. newt gingrich joins a long line of public figures called sore losers. john mccain's challenger has yet to concede that election personally. while lebron james faked backlash for refusing to congratulate the magic. learning to be a good sport is a valuable lesson. when it comes to politics, the system we have isn't fair. you can say things about mitt romney, but you can't say he won
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or tied in iowa on a level playing field. he and the super pack supporting him outspent rivals by 7 to 1. that's the bought and paid for system we have. thanks. even with the super pack now backing newt, buying ads in south carolina, i find is refreshing that gingrich took a stand in iowa and told romney what he could do with his win. he did it without saying a word. >> interesting times. nice to see you, kelly. i want to conclude the show today with the reason for our celebratory tone. as you might have noticed over the past year, i was a little stressed out. any way, it was because myself and a remarkable group of people were working together over the past year to produce this book
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"greedy bastards", which goes on sale tomorrow. the and the website that goes with it, which is a set of maps. this is not just a marketing brochure. if you look at this, you'll see whether it's banking, trade, or health, energy, education, the actual breeches in 1994 by china, the tariff structure, the false month monopoly, if you want to have a better understanding of what it is that we are talking about and trying to talk about and trying to enlist people in talking about, those six maps on banking trade, energy, health, education, and politics is certainly the best front door we have had and had the privilege of being able to produce. the book comes out tomorrow. and
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