good morning, i'm chris jansing on to south carolina with the republican field that's dominated by two-time winner, mitt romney. >> tonight, we are asking the good people of south carolina to join the citizens of new hampshire and make 2012 the year

he runs out of time. >> he certainly had a clear cut victory but we're nibbling at his heels. >> here we sit tonight, ladies and gentlemen, with a ticket to ride and to move on. here we go to south carolina. >> romney got almost 40% of the vote in new hampshire. ron paul pulling in second. jon huntsman who staked on new hampshire could only manage third. so far, all six will hold on for south carolina which votes in ten days. mitt's momentum may be hard to stop, but challengers are trying. perry and gingrich will spend more than $5 million in ads in south carolina. joining me now is florida congresswoman, debbie wasserman schultz. good morning. >> good morning, chris. great to be with you. >> almost 40% in new hampshire for romney.

are you preparing for a romne romney/obama election? >> we are gearing up for the history. we have 20 paid staff. tens of thousands of phone calls as mitt romney put a for lease sign up in his manchester office as they move on to other states. >> that's part of the process, to be fair, congresswoman. >> no -- >> a lot of suggesting for all the changes that happened with the super packs, with the social media, romney's two wins speak to the strength of old fashioned, boots on the ground organization and money. would you agree with that? >> i would say that what yesterday's results for romney speak to are for him, he's probably thanking his stars that the primary came when it did because as the days went by, the

more new hampshire voters got to know him, the less they liked him. support was once near 45% in a state that is essentially his home state. now, he couldn't even break 40%. with every passing day, his support was dropping. when they zero in on the experience he says is important for people to elect him,itis as a corporate raider, someone who shut companies down. >> let me -- >> people think they should be in touch with. >> he answered that last night or made a statement about that last night. he was fired up in his speech. let me play a clip and we'll talk about it. >> sure. >> president obama wants to put free enterprise on trial. we have seen desperate republicans join forces with him. >> boo! >> this is such a mistake for our party and for our nation. the country already has a leader who divides us with the bitter

politics of envy. >> romney says he should not have to apologize for his success. what would you say to his comments? >> the bitter politics of envy? there's another example of how out of touch with working families and the working class mitt romney is. corporations are people. we shouldn't do anything to help people remain in their homes. we should let it hit bottom. that he likes to fire people. no matter what context, that is never pleasant. romney, because he has so much experience giving out pink slips enjoys it. let's look at when he said he's familiar with the people who are unemploy unemployed because he feared pink slips. the only familiarity he has is he handed out so many of them, chris. that's the difference and the contrast between mitt romney and the rest of the republican field. president obama who's been fighting for tax breaks for 95% of americans and put them in

place. 17 different tax breaks for small business owners. really starting to get this economy turned around and make it work and be fair for everyone in america, not just the successful. >> if romney goes on to be the nominee, there's a poll that shows out to be trouble. president obama loses in a match up. are you worried about that? are you concerned that the economy doesn't recover significantly? that it could turn out well for mitt romney? >> polls are not what we are focused on 11 months out from the election. if you look where we were when president obama took office and the economy was bleeding 750 jobs a month, now we have had job growth in the sector. unemployment is beginning to come down. we created 200,000 jobs in one month.

rescued the auto industry. we have made slow progress. we are going to pick up the recovery. if it was left to the republicans, particularly mitt romney, they would extend the bush tax breaks for the wealthy and not the tax cut to make sure we give middle class americans a tax break, too. that's the contrast. that's what we are going to focus on throughout the next election. as a result, i think americans will choose to send president obama back to the white house. they want someone there who has conviction. mitt romney stands anywhere he needs to and appears to be willing to say or do anything to get elected. >> thank you so much. >> thank you, chris. i want to bring in former republican presidential hopeful and one-time front-runner, herman cain. >> good morning, chris. >> you watched some of the returns last night. >> yes. >> i want to get your reaction. do you think anybody can get in the way of romney getting the nomination? >> i don't think so because of the momentum.

the fact he won in iowa. he wasn't expected to finish that strong. we knew he was going to win in new hampshire. he has momentum. another thing working in his favor, money. it's a big driver, unfortunately. >> we just got this, romney for president announcing they have raised more than $56 million so far in the primary. >> yes. >> $24 million for the fourth quarter. >> money will buy you organization, get your people out and it's what he's been able to do. he's going to continue it now. i'm not saying he's the nominee, i'm saying it's hard to argue with the momentum he created out of new hampshire into south carolina. >> let me talk to you about what's been a key part of the campaign. >> yes. >> you have not just democrats but perry going after romney for his record. you are a long-time businessman, what do you think? >> it was a mistake strategically. the people sitting around the

table aren't talking about bane capital. i was in the business world. that wasn't a government thing. so, to accuse him of eliminating jobs when you restructure companies to save them, sometimes you eliminate jobs before you rebuild them. i did it at godfather's pizza. >> you would have never gone there if you were in the race? >> no. i would do what i was doing up to the time i got out of the race. stay on a solid message. people want to know, what are you going to do to fix stuff. >> i need to say, bain capital is part owner along with nbc universal and the weather channel for full disclosure. you talk about if you were in the race. do you regret getting out? >> bittersweet. the sweet is, i don't have to have false things about me spun over and over and over. all it does is hurt a family. i don't wish that on anyone. the bitter part, yes, i would

love to be in there about my 9-9-9 plan. the biggest comment i got was keep 9-9-9 alive. go to cainconnections.com. >> caneconnections.com. you miss it? >> i do. >> people cheering for you? >> it was great. when i walked out doing the debates, i was having fun. that allowed me to be me. i think that's what connected with a lot of people, as well as the fact i put specific solutions on the table of how we solve some of the big challenges we have. >> let me ask you a couple tough questions, if i can. we asked viewers to write in and we picked a couple questions. now that all major candidates surged, do you think it diminishes your time in the lead? >> no, it does not. the time i was in lead helped to set the course for much of the discussion. i think it put pressure on the other candidates to get more

specific. as a matter of fact, if i were advising mitt romney at this point, since he is on a momentum roll right now, i would be advising him please get more specific. specifically as it relates to the economy. it's what people want to know. >> there have been two comparisons comparing the republicans economic plan. all of them give big tax breaks to the rich. that was the criticism of your 9 9-9-9 plan. >> that is the classic class warfare card we know the democrats are going to play. look -- >> is it class warfare if an independent organization analyzes these? partly because there was pressure they put out plans saying this means an additional tax break for that 1% of 100, 2000, 300, 400 a year. >> that's a distraction. people with money, they build

businesses and they create jobs. the way they frame it as a tax break, what about the -- what about the 14 million people who do not have jobs? the only way the 14 million people who don't have jobs, the 8 million underemployed. if you add them together, it's 18%. the only way they are going to get a job is for people with money to expand their businesses. there's pent-up frustration in business right now. i would be more concerned about unleashing the economic power in business today because they don't know what the tax rates are going to be. if obama gets elected they feel they are going to go back up. focusing on the wrong thing. >> you think it's unfair, the attacks on mitt romney. you think it's very hard to imagine a scenario where he doesn't get the nomination. will you endorse him? will you go out and campaign for him? >> even though i'm not seeking a position of president, i'm still pursuing my mission.

mission number one is to help defeat barack obama. whoever becomes the nominee, i will support that nominee. secondly -- >> you said to make an unconventional endorsement this week. >> yes. >> give us a clue here. >> unconventional endorsement. you know what a conventional endorsement is, they raise their hands and support this person for all these reasons. i want my endorsement to be part of a bigger message. i will make it on the 19th in a key speech i make. it will be unconventional. many people in the media may not like it. i happen to believe the people will love it. >> herman cain, good to see you. thank you for coming in. jim moran says he was refused recognition when he wanted to speak on the house floor yesterday. why? we'll ask him in a few minutes. he served as rnc chairman

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president obama hitting the road tonight for a big chicago fund-raiser. r & b singer will perform. tickets range from 44 bucks to 1,000. that's just the opening event. the president hopes hometown crowds will fork over $35,000 per couple for an exclusive fund-raiser later that night. michelle obama has not red the controversial book about her and her husband. there's no truth about the allegations.

she did not battle with former chief of staff rahm emanuel. >> rahm and amy, his wife, are some of our dearest friends. we have never had cross words. i don't have conversations with my husband's staff. i don't go to meetings. our staff work together really well. it's interesting to imagine this conflicted situation here and a strong woman and, you know, but that's been an image people have tried to paint of me since the day barack announced that i'm some angry black woman. >> yeah. how do you deal with that image? >> i just try to be me. >> you, too, can own one of rick santorum's sweet sweater vests. they will send you a genuine santorum for president sweater vest. the website says it's perfect for demonstrating solidarity. romney is looking past south

carolina to florida where he's trying to appeal to hispanic voters. he's even speaking spannic. >> a play ball. [ speaking spanish ] >> after eight years in office, former mississippi governor hailey barber leaves under a cloud of controversy. he considered running for president this year and he's been a republican star. he granted full and unconditional pardons to 193 criminals on the last day of office. five convicted murders and kidnappers. even for the broth everier of brett favre. ed rendell joins me now. good to see you, governor. >> good morning, chris. >> he granted 200 pardons, 17 to convicted murderers. what do you make of that? >> it's hard to assess without knowing the facts of each and every case.

there are some cases where pardons are appropriate. i pardoned two lifers. they had been in prison nearly 40 years, in their 60s and the victims families had no objections. they didn't support it, but no objections. they were not a threat to society and lived good lives in prison. without knowing the cases, it's hard to pardon. not on barber's part, but it's people who attack people who pardon those who commit a crime. ronald reagan pardoned a murderer who went out and murderer two highway patrolmen. it has to be used and used well. the end of term pardons in the amount hailey barber did raised questions. >> you mentioned the families, governor. in this case, in the key cases that have been written about,

the families are very upset about it. they said they were not consu consulted beforehand. is that something you did as governor? is that common? >> that's a mistake. i made sure in every pardon i handed out of anybody in prison that met their release, icon tacted the families, explained it. i didn't say if they objected we wouldn't do it, but i got their input. it's important. if hailey didn't do that, it eegs a mistake. he's usually careful about what he does. again, i p can't speak for what he does. the law gives governors the right to pardon. hopefully, they will use it judicio judiciously. is there possibility of mistake when you pardon someone? of course there is. that doesn't mean you should stop pardoning. it's hypercritical of republicans to say something to democrats when president bush gave almost as many pardons as

some democrats. >> one of the attack ads of all political ads. if he would run for office again, i could hear and see the ads playing out. is this a sign to you that maybe he's thinking he's getting out of politics all together? it seems like such -- >> i don't know if he's getting out all together. i think he'll always be an important player in the republican party. the only office he could run for is senate. this indicates he will not run for senate. the willie horton ad, that was bad. mike dukakis should have responded. the sainted ronald reagan did the same thing and pardoned people who went out and killed two california state patrolmen. we didn't fight back. sometimes we need to fight back more. >> it's why they pay you the big

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seen on the lower left of your screen pushed for republicans to return to washington and negotiate a full year payroll tax cut. c-span cameras were cut off, too. good morning. >> good morning, chris. >> second time in five days democrats are tried to force republicans back to work. were you surprised you were cut off? >> i wasn't surprised i was cut off. i was surprised they cut off the microphone during the pledge of allegiance to the flag. i thought that was a little premature and rude. i don't blame the person standing in for the speaker. the speaker is in south america, of course. but, this is one of those meanwhile back at the ranch kind of stories, chris. the media's attention is focused on the republican primary, but meanwhile, the house republican leadership has scheduled only

one full workday the entire month of january. worse yet, the freeze are supposed to be meeting on the payroll tax cut, employment benefits, medicare reimbursement for physicians. it's supposed to be going on now because it all expires in february. >> let me read you a statement from the republican spokesman. he says we were in a pro forma session where no business was scheduled. the chair has discretion. when the democrats were in majority, they did the same thing. was this an attempt to start negotiations or to em bar resz republicans? >> they are saying president obama can't make appointments to the consumer product safety commissi commission, the head of that, of course, was appointed as well as

to the national labor relations board because we are in session. if we are in session, we ought to be working, shouldn't we? we are going to vote on a couple post offices, then we recess for the republican retreat. we come back the following tuesday for the state of the union address, the only day we are actually working an entire day. i mean we are getting paid, but the chair of the conference, mr. camp, who is also the chair of the ways and means committee is in south america with speaker boehner. the democrats are all here because they assume we would be working on legislation, which is -- >> are the democrats all there? >> yeah, they have been in town. i have seen them this week and last week. i mean you have to ask why are we here if we can't get anywhere? the fact is, if the republicans aren't here, there's not much we can do. but, it does seem appropriate for at least the conference to

be going on and perhaps for the congress to be working more than one day in january. we have some tough issues, obviously. while it's interesting to watch the republican primary, i think it's more important to be going about the nation's business of trying to get our economy back on track and giving some certainty to america's work in terms of what they are going to be taxed on payroll tax, whether people are going to lose their unemployment benefits. it's a loss of $45 billion to the economy and whether under medicare physicians are going to be reimbursed or cut by 35%. these are important issues. it's not as though we have a long time to deal with them. all these authorizations expire in february. that's the point i was trying to make, chris. obviously, it's not a point house republican leadership wants made on the floor of the house or on shows like this. >> congressman moran, thanks for

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backyard brawls. how nasty is it going to get? >> it's going to get very nasty. we have seen huge television advertising by perry and gingrich's independent groups ripping romney. i think what's going to be fascinating here is whether we see the lee atwater tricks that worked in 2000. john mccain accused of fathering a multiracial child. not true. the most important thing to understand is the difference between here and new hampshire. only 31% of the people that make less than $50,000 voted for romney. the evangelicals in new hampshire did vote for romney. here, it's going to be fascinating knowing the huge role the christians play in the republican party. will they vote for a guy whose

faith is in missouri? it doesn't bother me. it may bother the bob jones christians. >> it is a very different electorate there. one suggestion has been in the way of 2000 in this whole attack that swirled around john mccain that the attacks may, indeed, in some cases center on mitt romney's mormon faith. what do you think is going to happen? >> i think it's overblown by the national media. it's a story line that's out there. it was there four years ago. people are past it. they are look iing for the best person to beat barack obama. voters are looking at what happened in new hampshire and iowa. if they have questions about faith or any other issue, they are going to ask him and vet him out. the spotlight will be on south carolina. >> the voters in south carolina is very different. two-thirds attend church every week. seven-tenths believe abortion should be illegal.

here is mitt romney's take on that. >> there are people who want to elect a commander in chief, they are not worried about a pastor in chief. it's not what i'm running for. >> good argument, dick? >> not in south carolina. he got through iowa and new hampshire without negative tv. what's going to happen here, newt is already doing it, the idea that mitt romney is the gordon gekko of capitalism, greed is good. we are going to hear about a business up in gaffeny, 200 people, the company that owned it put them in bankruptcy and put them out of work in south carolina. this idea that he's going to try to defend it saying i'm a capitalist. greed is good, put people out of business, then, by the way, we have had a history here of people coming in and bankrupting

our businesses and putting people out of work whether it's textiles and manufacturing generally. we have this guy who grew up privileged, part of the 1%, doesn't care about people who make less than $50,000 a year. he's going to have a hard sell between that and the idea he doesn't care about the religious issues that dominated the electorate here. >> it raises the question, we are seeing in the headlines, this is it in south carolina. if the conservatives are going to mount a serious opposition, a serious candidate to go against romney and have any chance for the nomination, they have to show strength in south carolina. is there anybody out there who can do it? do you see a scenario in which somebody emerges as the alternative to romney from south carolina? >> you know, i may be the contrary, but i think it's wide open. i look at the campaigns with

great games. romney is well known here. he's ramping up with his team here. a couple campaigns are going to surprise people. they have been here a lot. they have done a good job of connecting with people. this is a wide open race. south carolina picks presidents. i appreciate what all you guys and gals in the media have done promoting our state, reminding people we have a track record of determining our nominee. i think it's going to happen here. >> you think they are going to accept romney or like we have seen before, the votes get scattered over a wide field? we thought, frankly, it would be wid led more when all that was lost is bachmann out of iowa. nobody out of new hampshire, it doesn't look like. >> i thought the tigers were going to do better in the orange bowl, too. i stay away from predictions. this is the place it's going to happen. it's wide open and i believe it's going to come down to the

voters. the field will be more culled out by now. the fact of the matter is you guys in the media, the american electorate, primary voters know that south carolina is the place. >> dick, real quick, your predicti prediction? >> i think, you know, it's romney's to lose. however, if he keeps talking about not electing preacher in chief, he's going to run into a buzz saw in the up state of south carolina. this is not new hampshire. this is not iowa. this is a state where you have to have strong connections with the christian coalition bags or you are going to lose. you know, again, i think his economic position, pink slip comments hurts him with the blue collar base, also. i think it's not wide open. i think he could lose here. based on everything we have seen now, ten days out he shouldn't. it could get volatile quick. >> thank you, gentlemen. >> we have breaking news out of the supreme court in a unanimous

decision. a teacher fired for a disability from a religious school cannot sue. let's go to pete williams. pete, what was the ruling? >> this is a surprising decision, chris. first of all, it is unanimous, 9-0 with liberals joining the conservatives. none of them wrote separately to say a peep about it. they agreed so much. the second thing is, this is the first time the court ever addressed this issue. is there something different about the way a church manages its employees that the government can't touch. today, the supreme court said yes. here are the facts. a woman was a teacher at a lutheran school in michigan. two kinds of teachers, called or lay. called led students in prayer. she was a called teacher. she developed a disease known as narcolepsy that caused her to fall into deep sleep. she left for treatment. when she came back, they said we

have no open positions. she threatened to sue. it would normally be tree in any normal workplace. then the church fired her. the federal government sued saying they were retaliating against her. today, they said this cannot be brought into court. it is barred by an exception that it would interfere with the church's ability to decide who will teach the message and who will be the ministers. they wrote the opinion for you nan mus court. he says the interest of society of enforcing discrimination laws is undoubtedly important but so, too, is the importance of religious groups who teach their faith and carry out their mission. it's historic.

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victory in new hampshire. can he get the tea party behind him? we'll find out coming up. plus mississippi governor pardons 200 people in his final days in office including rapists and murderists. then, the family of a band member killed after a hazing attack. they say they are not looking to stop the music, but will their search for answers lead to more arres arrests? chris? >> thank you. voters in south carolina getting bombarded by thousands of campaign ads. >> rick santorum, a record of betrayal. a hypocrite who can't be trusted. >> you are seeing a president adopt policies which affect our economy based on what is not right for the worker but their politics. >> decades ago, gingrich goes to washington. romney runs pro-choice.

gingrich found guilty of ethics violations. >> he's the conservative, rick santorum. champion, leader, reformer. >> melissa harris perry is host of a new show debuting next month and professor at tu lane university. bob is with the manship school of communications at louisiana state university and the author of daisy petals and mushroom clouds. good morning to both of you. sorry about the lsu loss. we won't go there. let's talk about the ads. voters in south carolina have seen, listen to this number. 5500 presidential campaign ads. that's nearly twice as many as in the entirety of new hampshire. all the candidates except huntsman are running ads. add in the super packs, on and on and on. are we in oversaturation? are we going to be oversaturated? >> we are at a point of

oversaturation. part of what happens in this bombardment, especially when it's negative, we shrink it. the findings, when it gets this ugly and there's this much commercial activity, they feel everyone is lying. the system feels broken rather than thinking you can go pick the one person who is honest. >> let me show you what the campaigns and their supper packs have spend. pro-gingrich, $3.6 million. how does this change campaign strategies? i know legally, they are not supposed to talk to the superpacks. how has it changed the face of the presidential campaign? >> for one thing, it gives the candidates the ability to run the high road and let the low road be occupied by the super packs. while not coordinated are run by people who are allies to them.

the superpacks can do their dirty work for them. i would agree with what melissa said but also add, you have a situation in south carolina that is a state about the size of louisiana, 4.5 million people, not really big media markets. the people are going to be bombarded. it's to the point of it's not the question of how many ads can you run, but what are the quality of the ads? is anybody going to breakthrough? you are going to see a couple ads breakthrough and set the narrative or play into the existing narrative. it's likely to be the one emerged from new hampshire and romney. >> is that what people are looking for, the one ad? like the last cycle, i am not a witch? >> maybe. >> i think -- >> go ahead. >> go ahead. bob? >> i think -- what i think is likely to breakthrough is

something that connects to an existing narrative. in a situation like this, you don't want to be in a position where you have to educate voters and give them new information. you want to rely on information they have. voters have a lot of information about romney and binge capital and the image a previous guest talked about. the gordon gekko of capitalism. it has a better chance to gain a foothold with the 9.9% unemployment rate. i would look for the super pack helping gingrich to plug into the narrative. >> yeah, gingrich blames his loss in iowa on negative ads. let's play a new ad attacking romney on his abortion record. >> he governored pro-abortion. he appointed a pro-abortion judge. put planned parenthood on a state medical board but failed to put a pro-life on the same

board. mandated health care with taxpayer funded abortions. massachusetts moderate, mitt romney, he can't be trusted. >> this is a very important issue to voters of south carolina. >> this is exactly the kind of ad that does the work. what the nasty ads do is shrink. people don't bother coming out. if you convince people there is some candidate who is so critically important on an issue either against them or for them, this is a person if i go vote for them, it's going to make a big difference on the one issue i care about, that can be the one thing that breaks through. if everybody is a nasty guy, they are all lying. if there's one thing i care about, that i deeply believe in and you can tell me this person will protect or reject that one right, that could be enough to get me out to the polls. they are hoping the pro-life piece will be that issue.

it's not clear in 2012, with this economic crisis whether the pro-life issue remains the issue for south carolina voters. >> melissa, welcome to the msnbc family. bob, thank you. good to see you again. >> melissa's new show starts here in february. today's tweet of the day comes from a friend of the show. charles blow. quote, i have seen more people doing the electric slide at a family reunion than voted for perry tonight. laughing so hard about to hurt myself. charles.

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