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antiromney stop mitt? five candidates look to cut the front-runner down to size. the capitalist versus the middle class warrior. romney throws down the gauntlet taking about the politics of envy. now, president obama laid off workers as well. hailey barbour frees murderists and rapists. a lot to talk about. romney has gone two for two. he captured iowa and new hampshire in back-to-back victories. he's hoping to make it three for three in south carolina ten days from now. the magic number, 39%. romney's 2008 finish in the state, romney swept the victory well ahead of rivals with
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huntsman in third place. he captured seven of new hampshire's 12 delegates. nothing with the other five contenders dropping out at the moment. romney faces the biggest test, convincing south carolina conservatives he's their guy. >> there are people who want to elect a commander in chief, not a pos tor in chief. i'm hopeful to get great support in south carolina but i know i have a lot of work to do. >> garrett is following the romney campaign. what is mitt's first move heading into south carolina? >> it's interesting. his first move happened. last week, two days after they closed up shop in iowa, the romney campaign was in south carolina with two big endorsers. hailey is on one side and john mccain who ultimately won the
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state in 2008. split up the social conservatives on one side and win in military homes and in charleston and myrtle beach. what you saw in south carolina a week ago is what we are about to see in florida, the romney campaign will campaign in two states at a time, leapfrogging ahead of themselves. they debuted an ad today. i think you have to ready, if you want to take a listen. >> mitt romney. [ speaking spanish ] >> that's mitt romney speaking spanish in the ad. they are hoping to appeal to the hispanic community. they all went to john mccain four years ago. >> garrett, thank you. appreciate it.
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as all the antimitts plan their moves, romney is trying to make a positive out of what his fellow gop contenders see as a negative. attacks on the record at binge capital. >> we expected president obama to put free enterprise on trial and continue his rhetoric of envy and class warfare. we are surprised to see it coming from speaker gingrich and others. we invested in well over 100 different businesses. every investment designed to grow the business and make it more successful. >> nbc is owner of the weather channel. jennifer donohue, it's great to have you here. >> mitt leaves new hampshire in a position of strength. solidly 61% saying the economy was the big issue.
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experience is right up there with beating the president when we talk about the issues that matter the most. south carolina is known for bare knuckle politics. can anyone stop him since he has the momentum going south? >> in south carolina what people can do is bloody romney. that's what they plan to do. everybody but romney is going to make the case they are the leading contender. it's difficult. it's bigger than mccain's win. other candidates are going to throw a lot of blood on romney. the question is, if any of them can emerge as the alternative as we come out of new hampshire. we see a split and muddied field. what they stand to do in south carolina is damage romney. i think they are going to go after him on religion, on bane capital, which is getting conservatives like rush limbaugh very angry. potentially, there's a party divide going on that's going to
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play out for awhile now. >> jennifer, you talk about the bruising he's going to take in south carolina. a lot of people say they need to go around romney. instead of that, they need to blood clot around him. the super pack is spending $7 million while gingrich and perry plans to spend more than $5 million on ads in south carolina. just in that state alone. romney is reporting a huge, huge cash infusion this morning. in your estimation, how ugly is this going to get when all the money is now pouring in? >> the super packs are the x-factor in the campaign 2012. the candidates can put distance from them. they can say i don't have anything to do with the attacks. it's going to be interesting to watch. the grand pubas and the grand party say in the upcoming next week. santorum and perry, knock it
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off, knock the attacks off. romney is going to be the nominee. you are only handing more soundbytes for the democrats to use against romney in the general election. so, it's going to be striking to see, if you hear those voices get louder. they are anxious about it in the days upcoming to new hampshire. do they get louder and more infatic now that it looks like romney is going to be the nominee? >> a lot of people talking about who walks away with the number two position. that is ron paul. he says he's not going anywhere. listen to this. >> that's exactly what they said when i was single digits. he's reached his peak. there's only 9% or 8% of the american people who care about the liberty ron paul is talking about. now we are 20% to 25%. i would say the evidence is there. >> jennifer, what are the benefits and the dangers to mitt romney and having ron paul nipping at his heels?
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>> it's dangerous. paul got a lot of independent voters. in south carolina independents can vote in the primary. paul has a revolution going. it's a movement. he's a movement conservative. it would be unfair to the reality of what paul did not to recognize that paul is now surging. he was the only candidate who hadn't surged. huntsman had a surge in new hampshire. every other one had a surge before that. ron paul is now surging. to rule him out would be foolish. he can spend a lot of money and he's got a ground game and organization. he's got true believers. he can do damage to romney. >> when we talk huntsman in third place double digits, can reride this in south carolina? isn't he going to have more? >> it's difficult to see where huntsman goes from here. his father is going to sink more money into the race.
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huntsman doesn't have the financial where with all right now to do it himself. his coalition in new hampshire is made up of independents and democrats. i don't know how he takes it to south carolina. being that you do have a higher portion of evangelicals in that state. and you still have everyone else in the race. newt gingrich is down there going in with money. rick santorum. i don't see how huntsman fits into the equation and puts together the math to finish second or first to go on to florida. >> thanks so much for joining me this morning. i appreciate it. romney's fete of winning iowa and new hampshire has the republican party trying to figure out how to stop him and unite against a single candidate. the two groups want different
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qualities in their candidate. i'm joined by a chair women of the tea party express. nice to have you hear. a former romney strategist says getting the tea party to like romney is like selling rib eye steaks to vegetarians. they are not having it. is the view he's unacceptable likely to change given the new hampshire and iowa sweep? >> you know, the tea party movement, i have talked to them about what they have a problem with. it's the mandate in the state of massachusetts. i understand he says it's about state's rights and he did what he had to do as governor. the bottom line, it's a mandate. the people don't want a mandate whether it's from state or federal government. he has to reck size that. i can tell you, we are not -- i mean tea party express has not been opposing or supporting anybody. we are sitting back and watching and waiting, hoping the movement
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starts to go around somebody. since iowa when bachmann stepped aside, we have seen a shift. we have seen a shift toward perry and gingrich, quite honestly. ron paul has a huge following. i think south carolina is going to be a game changer. the movement is going around those cants. gingrich had strong ground game in south carolina for a number, i mean for months actually. perry has been there working it, too. it's going to be difficult to tell what's going to happen. those tea party activists in the state are engaged and want to make a difference. this is their time to do so. >> the tea party movement is a subculture. as you bring up the tea party, they rallied against the mandate. they raise revenues. the republican nominee we are seeing are who people are going to go around. the states of new hampshire and iowa went around mitt romney.
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>> it's not going to be able to be reconciled. that's what it is in massachusetts. he raised fees and revenues. now we are seeing senator jim demint say iing they are impresd by romney. where do you go from that standpoint if you can't get behind romney, what are your hopes at all? >> this is the thing. you are talking about actually two small states. the number of votes that were actually cast is, i think over 300,000. it's a small number across the country. you are going into south carolina and florida where they have two of the strongest tea party networks in the country. they elected governor nikki haley and tim scott. they have jim demint. >> hailey endorsed romney prior to new hampshire. >> thomas, that doesn't mean the people are going to fall in line and do what he says. look, it's our job to hold them
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accountable. if you are a tea party activist and you are elected on the principals and values we stand upon and you change the principals and values and going along with establishment, you will be voted out. >> are you going to vote him out in south carolina? >> this is what i'm saying. the people in south carolina are really upset with hailey right now. tea party activists are very upset. the governor knows it. she knows it. i don't know what's going to happen there. we don't get involved in state races. we only do federal races. the same thing in florida, charlie crist went up against arubio. he had all the money in the world. he's a great senator from the state of florida. same with governor rick scott. the media wants to push a narrative it's romney, romney,
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romney. we are not going to accept that. we are going to show we are engaged and paying attention and we are going to have an impact in presidential politics. this is the first time in the history of politics we have an opportunity to change the government and that's what we are going to do. we are not going to let all the work we did for 2010 and we know we have one time to repeal obama care. we are not going to let it go out the window and allow everybody to hand us what they want to. we are engaged in this, we are going to pay attention. >> amy, nice to see you this morning. >> thank you. a historic win for romney in new hampshire going two for two. how this could be like no other before it. tim tebow bringing magic to the denver broncos. will he bring it to a republican candidate? this bowl of strawberries is loaded with vitamin c.
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do you think anybody now can get in the way of mitt romney getting this nomination? >> i don't think so because of the momentum. i'm not saying he's the nominee. i'm saying it's hard to argue with the momentum he's created coming out of new hampshire. >> herman cain on "jansing & co." last hour. you can expect an endorsement from herman cain later this month at the southern republican leadership conference. >> thank you, new hampshire. tonight we made history! [ cheers and applause ] >> so, mitt romney didn't just win new hampshire last night, he won big and became the first nonincumbent gop since 1976 to win the iowa caucus and the new hampshire primary.
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will the 2012 election year be the one to change politics as we know them? joining us now is presidential historian michael. michael, it's nice to have you with us this morning. romney made history last night. how much weight, how much does it really carry going forward given the margin of victory in new hampshire. he barely took iowa. it takes nothing away and probably given that iowa was a tie, it's not fight enough to repeal the rules of history. i think there are certain ways this race could be historic. one is we are likely to see more money spent by both sides than ever before in american history. super packs, we have begun to see how they are spending. president obama is trying to raise between half a billion and $1 billion in the times of a bad economy. it's going to change things. one other thing, you were
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talking earlier on the attacks of romney. it's often said senators have a hard time running for senate. that's because every vote they cast has been scrutinized, not all look great. i think a businessman may have the same trouble running for president under that kind of scrutiny. not everything may look great under this scrutiny. >> the laws he signed in massachusetts are coming to haunt him. president obama is trying to become the first president elected with unemployment above 6%. it's expected to stay above 8% next year. we are at 8.5%. can he do it with the tools of social media that helped him take the victory in '08? >> i think the obama campaign in 2008 is probably cutting edge. looking at the earlier moments
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like fdr in '36 and reagan in '84 with high unemployment rates, the way they won is to say things are not great but if you vote for our opponent, we are going back to the terrible crisis we were in when i became president. it's the choice of me or the other guy. that's what it's going to be in november. >> great to see you. thank you for your time. the bitter politics of envy. did romney draw the battle lines? controversial pardons for the mississippi governor. he goes free in the final days in office. i'm going to talk with the lawmaker working on legislation to prevent it from ever happening again. [ dad ] i'm usually checking up on my kids, but last year my daughter was checking up on me. i wasn't eating well. she's a dietitian, and she suggested i try boost complete nutritional drink to help get the nutrition i was missing. now i drink it every day and i love the great taste.
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joran van der sloot pled guilty to the murder of a woman he met at a casino. natalee holloway disappeared in aruba. van der sloot is still the main suspect in that disappearance. breaking news to report that justices ruling that a disabled teacher fired from a religious school cannot sue. it would interfere with their religious freedom. break down this case for us. >> thomas, the federal law said you can't sue a church for the decisions it makes in hiring people of different religions. you can't sue a catholic church for not hiring a jewish minister. the court rules from now on, you can't sue atu church organizati at all for any kind of discrimination involving people
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who transmit the church's message. this is a case out of michigan. a teach er, a call teacher that led students in prayer and taught classes in moth and social studies. she developed narcolepsy that caused her to fall into periods of deep sleep. when she came back, the church said no positions available you have to resign. she said i'm going to sue you, say you discriminated against me and violated the americans with disabilities act. they were retaliating. today, a unanimous supreme court said no, you cannot sue a church. the unanimous decision said it's important to enforce discrimination laws but the interest of religious groups who will teach, preach and carry out their mission is important.
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thomas? >> interesting development. pete, thanks for the update. appreciate it. south carolina voters woke up to a barrage of campaign ads this morning. will newt gingrich stay on the attack or go back to being mr. nice guy? plus, the family of the florida a&m university drum mayor who was beaten to death say it happened because he was gay. we are going to talk about the fallout. that and more after this. i'm embarking on a journey of epic proportion. i will travel, from sea to shining sea, through amber waves of grain, and i won't stop until i've helped every driver in america save hundreds on car insurance. well i'm out of the parking lot. that's a good start. geico, fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent, or more on car insurance.
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hampshire failed to pay off. he's not stopping attacks on romney's venture capitalist, either. listen. >> is he allowed to cite his record or not? are you allowed to criticize it or not? criticizing one businessman is not an assault on it. >> the tactics of newt and super pack supporters go too far. >> you know, the newt pack. got an idea for you guys. recut your ads on romney. and your tag line is, i am barack obama and i approve of this message. >> nbc is shadowing the campaign. ron, are we getting a sense that gingrich is going to begin backing off now that he's criticizeed from the right
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himself? >> good morning, thomas. i think we'll see more of that. the former speaker was not backing down at all about making questions and asking about mitt romney and that type of capitalism where in the words of governor perry, it's vulturism where there's money injected into a company to take controlling interest and extract it. workers in some respect lost jobs and lost their ability to make a living while the venture capitalists took the capital in the company and took off. mitt romney said on "today" show and last night in his speech, he called it desperate republicans on the front attacking. we asked speaker gingrich that question. he got three or four questions after the event this morning. here is his response to those questions. >> why is asking somebody to be honest and p candid, why is
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asking them to be accountable bad. i understand why he's throwing up the smoke screen. if he weren't the establishment candidate, it wouldn't last 30 seconds. >> he's got the super pack putting a bunch of ads on the air. we expect to see fireworks in the next ten days. >> we are all watching. thanks so much. i appreciate it. no one could be happier about the fighting than the democrats for his part. president obama is keeping his focus on the economy hosting a round table on the insourcing of american jobs. he's going to speak live in a couple hours. does romney's decisive victory change this game? joining us is former clinton white house staffer david and an adviser fur the bush/cheney
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campaign. romney took hits all over. he fire d back at his republica rivals and president obama, basically boiling it down to the politics of envy. it's something he was asked about on the "today" show. >> are there no fair questions about the distribution of wealth without it being envy? >> it's fine to talk about it in quiet rooms and discussions on tax policy and the like. the president made this part of his campaign rally everywhere he goes. he talks about millionaires and billionaires and executives and wall street. it's a very envy oriented attack. >> he's trying to draw the battle lines for the fight. will it work to deflect the label put on him, that's being put on him by the right of a millionaire job killer? >> you mean on the left -- >> no, the attacks are coming
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from newt gingrich. they are putting him out there and rick perry saying he's a vulture capitalist. it's coming from the right, not the left. they are doing the left's work. >> you are right. it's the left and the right. this is romney's achilles heel. there's no question about it he's very, very wealthy. the way he speaks to people, i like to fire people, it sends a message he's tone deaf and he cannot relate to the average american person as it relates to the economy. the question is whether or not it's going to be like 2004 all over again. i worked for the bush campaign. it it's similar. in the grand scheme of things, a good politician. the question is whether or not romney can shake away from the moniker and connection with the american people. i believe he can. i believe he's a person that connects with the average
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american out there especially when you put him in the context of working people, town hall meetings. it's when he does his best. when he's overly scripted, he trips up. >> every now and then in american culture and politics an issue goes from being a partisan football to a kind of nonpartisan trend. when newt gingrich went from calling occupy wall streeters bums who need to get jobs and take showers to a few days ago, what we witnessed was an issue becoming a nonpartisan populous issue. here is what that means. what it means is that if we are dealing with a cultural phenomenon, the entire country saying wait a second, this is not the america we want. it doesn't matter whether we put it in a partisan bottle or not. it has to be addressed in this campaign. it's a central theme of this
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campaign. which candidate is able to articulate how the people are feeling, say that i can relate on a personal level. that is going to be the winner of this campaign. >> as we talk about this, real quick robert, we talk about this because who is going to win the campaign is going to boil down to the independent voters out there. they might be upset with president obama right now, none seem to be flocking behind romney. so, where is the message going forward to them? take out the trivial fighting. where is the message to get them to come into this discussion and get their support? >> i learned from bill clinton. he said elections are about the future. you have to be able to articulate a vision of the future that says where we have been is not good. where we are going is going to be better. i think that is the key to recapturing independence in this country. independence looks at the economy and the political
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gamesmanship going on in congress right now and they are disgusted. you have to be able to articulate to them a better future. it's what's going to win that group. when mitt romney went to negative campaigning and sort of sniping internally with other republicans, what happened to the independent support for him? it plummeted. it's a clear indication they are folks who want to hear positive solutions and a vision for the future. itis what's going to be critical of winning over independents in 2012. >> i want to get your opinion on what you think of rick santorum after iowa and new hampshire and now down to the south. you worked with him ten years. where do you think it goes? >> i don't know. the evangelical person who voted for him in iowa does not exist in new hampshire. that person does exist to a certain degree in south carolina. the majority of them are hard working blue collar republicans, if you will. the question becomes connecting
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with that audience or does ron paul pick up this support. can senator santorum capitalize on what he got out of iowa and pick up on south carolina and florida. i don't know the answer to that. the real question to that is what can stop mitt romney? he's going to be the republican nominee. i don't know that anything can stop him now. >> thank you, i appreciate your time this morning. >> thank you. here is a look at other stories topping the news. michelle obama pushing back about claims made in a book about her. she's challenging accusations she battled with rahm e manual. >> rahm and amy, his wife are some of our dearest friends. rahm and i have never had a cross word. i don't have conversations with my husband's staff. i don't go to the meetings. our staffs work together really well. it's more interesting to imagine this conflicting situation here
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and a strong woman but that's been an image that people have tried to paint of me since the day barack announced i'm some angry black woman. >> how do you deal with that? that image? >> i try to be me. >> a nuclear scientist in tehran was killed this morning. a motorcyclist strapped a bomb to the car the scientist was in. he worked at a iran yan nuclear facility. dive teams are searching for a toddler whose been missing for three weeks. they are searching the river in waterville, maine where a 20-month-old was reported missing. her disappearance has been declared a crime. the city of cordova, alaska is waiting for extra shovels to
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dig out of the snow they received. they reached out to other cities for help. when no one came, they called a manufacturer who promised new shovels delivered this weekend. it's cut off several roads around the state leaving them to induce avalanches with explosives. outrage across mississippi after hailey barbour handed out 200 pardons before leaving office. questions about how family members of victims should feel about his decision to be lenient to a group that includes four convicted murderers who worked at the mansion. brett favre's brother was one among those pardons. david joins me now. he introduced a bill that would change things and how they operate there. it's nice to have you on with me. explain how shocking it is to communities across the state and
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what do you think drove the governor to make so many pardons? they have a history of doing this in the state of mississippi before they leave. >> thank you, i appreciate the opportunity to be here. you are correct governors not just in mississippi but all states have a history of granting pardons on their way out the door. this number of pardons is shocking just in terms of the sheer volume. i think you can look back at the past three or four governors and the total number doesn't exceed 20 or 30. governor barbour pardoned over 200 people including 16 to 18 murderers. there's outrage across the state. it's actually, you know, folks are experiencing outrage. >> folks don't have recourse except for the legislature you are trying to get passed. what is it? >> there are three things. i have tried to pass a bill that
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would provide for notice to the district attorney and the sheriff and the victim's -- family members of victims before the pardon is granted so that a mechanism would be set up, a hearing held and those folks could at least, if nothing else, vent their feelings about what the governor was considering doing and state their reasons for why he shouldn't do that. then the governor could still grant the pardon if he was so inclined. i have not been able to get the bill passed. it's been killed by a veto. i'm not sure what happened in the house the past few years. two other measures i'm going to introduce this year. one would prevent those convicted of capital murder from the trustees at the governor's mansion. it's a path to the pardon. then, just recently, well as recent as this morning, the drafting of a bill that amends the constitution of the state of
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mississippi to prevent governors from granting pardons in the last 90 days of their term. now, none of those three measures would circumvent the constitutional per ogtive of a governor to pardon. it provides mechanisms so folks can be heard. >> we are waiting to hear how he's going to respond to this. mississippi state representative, david baria. thanks. is all greed good or is there such a thing as bad capitali capitalism? it's tim tebow time. they are trying to score an endorsement from the bronco's quarterback. the side bar comes next.
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behind anyone right now. rick perry calling himself the tebow of the iowa caucuses. that didn't pan out. in pittsburgh when miracles happen in denver. the steele city mayor lost a bet after denver won sunday's football game versus the steelers. look at that. he tebowed in front of a historic landmark. we wonder if boston's mayor is doing the same thing next week? we will wait and see. the ties of capitalism and the virtue of depending on it. remember this guy? >> greed, for lack of a better word is good. greed is right. greed works. greed clarifies, cuts through and captures the essence of evolutionary spirit.
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>> michael douglas as wall street raider there. a liberal group is resurrecting him. a lookalike will do a campaign for romney. my next guest who wrote a book on this is josh ksoman. he's here to talk about this. we joke about the gordon gekko, the embodiment of wealth. this is what the opponents of romney will utilize now, this larger than life figure to paint him in that life. take a listen to what rick perry said today. >> there's a real difference between venture capitalism and vulture capitalism. venture capitalism we like. vulture capitalism, no. >> he says he stands on a tree limb, ready to pick a carcass clean. >> i think mitt hasn't come
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clean and there's maybe good reason with what bain capital did. it will keep dripping out. he's been more of a parasite than a vulture. a parasite sucks life out of a living carcass. they transferred wealth from companies and employees to themselves. >> there are people born into wealth. people that work for wealth. is the narrative that the romney camp wants to paint now about being envious about wealth. even from the president obama election team to the envy of wealth. is it something the american public wants to hear? those working hard and struggling in this country? >> where mitt might slip up, might. he had a great night last night. he overstates what he did at bain. when he says he created 100,000
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jobs, he's got capital venture investments with businesses they did control. more than 90% of their activity was leverage buyouts, companies they did control. combining those that they did control. >> the mission statement of the company itself is to make money for its investors. it's not job growth. that might is have been a by-product but that was not the end game. >> and what they did, in leverage buyouts you buy that company by putting it in deep debt and then you try to pay off the debt. and the way you pay it off typically is starve the company from people, workers and captain tal investment and in the short-term, you increase profits and pay off the debt and in the long-term it hurts the businesses. and that is why those companies went bankrupt. >> it's a tough narrative if it sticks. thank you for being with us. >> absolutely. >> in america, we believe in a future
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. new details this morning on a tragic bus ride that left marching band member robert champion dead. his family said he was targeted in part because he was gay and his opposition to hazing fueled the fight that took his life. mr. chestnut, i want to start off by saying that you are suing the bus company for negligence but is the champion family interested in pursuing this as a hate crime? >> we are suing the bus company for negligence for a number of reasons, the bus was on and running and the air conditioning was on. we feel the bus has responsibility. the family does not feel it was a hate crime. this is -- robert champion being %ay may have been a reason but it's an embarrassment. this is a historically black college and university and the very idea of it was to offer opportunities to -- >> do they feel a responsibility for allowing a culture of hazing exist? >> that is what we are doing, we are holding them accountable for a environment that persisted for decades. now that they finally killed someone with this culture and because he was gay, it's a miscarria champion. he was taken way too early. >> thank you. absolutely. >> that will do it for me today, i'll see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. eastern. ds make stains i use tide boost to super charge our detergent. boom. clothes look amazing, and daddy's a hero. daddy, can we play ponies? right after we do foldies. tide boost is my tide. what's yours? [♪...] >> announcer: bank robbery certainly is a frightening crime. after all, bank robbers stole $43 million in one year. but identity thieves?
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