conservatiativ conservatives. if it's way to early what time is it? >> "morning joe." stick around for chuck todd in studio in new york. take it away. mitt romney scored that decisive win in florida, beat newt gingrich by a bigger margin than gingrich won south carolina. can romney get back that inevitable air? gingrich vows he'll go to the convention saying there are 46 states left. will february give gingrich time to regroup for a southern shocker? also this morning we know the names of the biggest donors funding the super pacs, buying all of the negative ads we've been seeing. who are they? a handful of millionaires calling all the shots in politics. it's wednesday, february 1st, 2012, this is "the daily rundown." i'm chuck today. woo, let's get to my first read for the morning. what a difference ten days made this time. mitt romney heads to minnesota and nevada today after that decisive victory last night in

the sunshine state. romney beat newt gingrich by 14 points, 46% of the vote, more than the 12-point margin gingrich achieved in south carolina. rick santorum barely cracked double digits at 13%, ron paul who largely skipped florida won 7%. ron paul says they got a bigger share of the vote than gingrich and santorum combined. romney picked up all 50 of florida's delegates last night. he played to his strengths, he dominated urban areas in central and south florida. take a look at the map, though, all the orange counties in northern florida show by newt gingrich believe he has a path, a difficult one but a path forward to march, super tuesday and the week after where a bunch of southern primaries may vote more like the panhandle than miami-dade county. romney is a candidate made for florida in some ways and the exit polls show how he put his winning coalition together.

romney won 62% of moderates, dominated among wealthy invoters, six in ten a family income of more than $200,000 and romney won among the important cuban-american community and the gender gap, romney beat gingrich among women and 45% said electability the most important factor and romney beat gaining rich by a 25-point margin, 58-33. romney beat gingrich by 40 points among those who said strong moral character was important but gingrich leaded among voters who wanted a "true conservative" and "the right experience." romney still didn't close the deal with the base of the party, voters who identified themselves as very conservative chose gingrich by a double-digit margin and though romney came out ahead of republicans who said they somewhat support the tea party, gingrich won who said they were strong supporters of

the tea party. you see the core heart and soul of the party, the same group of folks we told you about in the nbc/"wall street journal" poll, southerner, conservative voters, strong tea party supporters, the heart and soul of gingrich support nationally and you saw it in the state of florida. the question is does that keep holding? on one hand gingrich can say i have a base, i ran a horrid campaign and if i just run a b minus campaign i can win a lot more states. can he? romney did his best to begin to shift the conversation back to the president. >> my leadership will end the obama era and begin a new era of american prosperity. mr. president, you were elected to lead. you chose to follow, and now it's time for you to get out of the way. >> rather than using his national platform to debut a new argument to are protecting himself from incoming fire from the right, he suggested that gingrich challenge will not be

at all damaging. >> our opponents in the other party have been watching and they like to comfort themselves with the thought that a competitive campaign will leave us divided and weak. but i've got news for them. a competitive primary does not divide us. it prepares us, and we will win. >> of course the romney campaign is also doing its best to make sure everyone knows gingrich did not exactly end the evening as a good sport. listen to mitt romney on the "today" show this morning. >> well actually newt didn't call after iowa or new hampshire. i called him after south carolina his win there and he didn't call last night. the other candidates called. i guess speaker gingrich doesn't have our phone number. >> interesting there, that mitt romney chose when asked the question about gingrich, chose to just go down that road. you can tell, this has turned bitter personally between the two of them. newt gingrich trying to keep himself in the game by ignoring

his loss and vowing that he plans to move forward in a somewhat rambling speech. >> the same people who said i was dead in june and july and said i was goine after iowa, i want to reassure them tonight we are going to contest every place and we are going to win and we will be in tampa as the nominee in august. >> 46 states of course he's on the ballot in 45 of them right now, but his rambling speech was more of a laundry list than anning ament of why voters should pick him next time. >> i will ask them to immediately pass the repeal of obama care. i will ask them to immediately pass the repeal of the dodd-frank bill. the very first executive order will abolish all of the white house czars. all of this is going to happen about two hours after the inaugural address, okay? before we get to go to the

various balls that night, we are going to have a work period, because this is going to be a working presidency. >> what was fascinating about what beginning zrich lagingrichs name check, talked about keystone, talked about judges, talked about some things that he thought could motivate the base, didn't seem to talk about what he's going to do to somehow unify the party. he came out 45% approval rating with republicans. romney stumps in minnesota and then heads to nevada, where ron paul has been campaigning. newt gingrich will be in reno for an event and fund-raising. santorum will be in colorado where he promise today he'll give a give speech against romney's health care event. last night instead of using his national platform to make the big contrast with romney on health care, santorum decided to defend romney and he targeted

gingrich instead. >> i first want to congratulate governor romney. he ran a very spirited race, and he is to be congratulated for his resounding victory in the state of florida. you know what? in florida newt gingrich had his opportunity and said i'm going to be the conservative alternative and the anti-mitt, and it didn't work. he became the issue. >> rick santorum running for another slot on the national ticket? something to keep an eye on. team obama did not let romney have his day to himself. the president stopped by the washington auto show where he made a not so veiled shot at romney who he says opposed the auto bailout from the very beginning. >> it's good to remember that the fact that there were some folks who were willing to let this industry die because of folks coming together, we are now back in a place where we can compete with any car company in the world. >> and while mitt romney was dominating the cable air waves,

first lady took a little bit of romney spotlight, stopped by "the tonight show" where she talked about the president's rendition of al green. >> when people said he sang, i said i bet he sang al green. ♪ i he does that all day long. i can't sipping. >> you'd say he has a better singing voice? >> he absolutely does. >> you heard mitt romney sing? what did you think? >> i saw it in the green room. >> right. >> it's beautiful. >> beautiful. [ laughter ] [ applause ] >> but in all honesty watching the obama campaign now every tuesday as this primary gets more atntion and more focus, they seem to be trying to make sure romney doesn't own these nights by himself. with the first month of primary contests now in the books, mitt romney is back in the driver's seat for the republican congressman ronnie

ma mack, the victory in florida to me what was fascinating while he did incredibly well in the largest urban centers, the big, two of the big places who do well, south florida, the tampa area, i-4 corridor, it was amazing to look at the county map -- excuse me, saying county mack -- saying that he did struggle in the southern part of the state culturally which of course is the northern part of the state. thoughts? >> well, i think what's important to look at is if you look at some of the polling that you were talking about on the rundown, you know, mitt romney led on those that identify themselves with the tea party, and i think that shouldn't be overlooked. the state of florida -- to say that somehow romney didn't win in the state of florida with the heart and soul of the party is just not true. the people who voted yesterday and in this primary, they are the heart and soul of the republican party in the state of

florida. and i think what you saw was a clear advantage to mitt romney, because he understands that jobs are created in the private sector, not in government, and the issue of housing is so big in florida, i think speaker gingrich failed the opportunity to answer the question about his relationship with freddie mac. if he had done so it would have been much better for him but instead he kept ignoring that issue and so many people in florida have lost their homes. >> were you surprised that 38% of republicans that showed up to the polls, showed up to the polls, told our exit pollsters they weren't satisfied with this field. it seemed like a strikingly large number for people that actually took the time to vote. >> no, it's not shocking because i think what you're seeing is, there's so much energy in the republican party to beat barack obama and the reason is because

they're seeing their selves, families, friends, neighbors hurting and this economy is in such a place where the energy that's created in the republican party is, we want to get off the road to greece, and on the road to prosperity, and so you've got republicans who are energized, who are looking at all the candidates, and in florida, mitt romney was the strong overwhelming choice for republicans. >> but i guess what do you think the sentiment is about these folks, literally, almost 40% of republicans who bothered to vote said they're dissatisfied with this field. >> again, i think this is a natural part of a primary process. you got to look at the energy that's out there. the number of people who came out to vote was huge, and that shows a party that is strong, dynamic, and engaged, and that is -- i think if the democrats are looking at this saying there is a wave coming, because it's

not just republicans, but it's independents and even some democrats who have said we are on the wrong road right now, we need to get back to the road to prosperity. >> were you disappointed that turnout was down from four years ago? >> i think it was a fantastic turnout here in the state of florida. again as i traveled around the state this last week, the energy at events was fantastic. you could see people who were engaged, fired up and looking for a change in the white house. >> the hard numbers, it failed, the turnout failed to match four years ago. >> well mitt romney got more republican votes than any other candidate at any time. i mean this is a huge victory for mitt romney. it really shows strength within the republican party, and i think it's going to really propel him, you know, through february and march and on to the nomination. you know, i think that came from his strong performances at the debates. he was prepared. he had command of the issues.

he knows where he wants to go. he's got a plan to move this country on the road to prosperity, and i think you're seeing republicans saying that's what we want. >> all right, congressman mack, republican from florida, candidate for u.s. senate i guess it's back to focusing on the senate campaign now that the presidential race has left. >> you got it. >> thank you for coming. down but not out, newt gingrich not giving an inch right thousand. he's got the time. does he have the money and the organization? we'll hear the gingrich side next. plus anonymous no more, who are the millionaires behind the barrage of negative campaign ads? the super pacs have been revealed. first a look ahead at the president's schedule, a quieter day today. we'll see. even a tbd on a jay carney briefing. -one. -two. -three. -one. two. three.

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you will tell all of your friends in the other 46 states that there is a chance to nominate a conservative who knows what he's doing, who has done it before, and who has the courage and the determination to get it done. >> well that was newt gingrich saying he's not dropping out and will be back in florida for the republican convention but how does he bounce back and pof forward? joining me is florida campaign co-chairman bill mccolum. congressman, mr. attorney general thanks for joining me. >> glad to be with you. >> we know what happened in the last ten days, a pretty rough campaign. what was newt gingrich's message this last ten days? because for the life of me i haven't been able to figure it out. >> well, that's part of the

reason why we didn't win in florida pause we got lost and drowned in a sea of negative advertising. numbers show 99% of the nominee ads and pac ads were negative. beginning riches were almost that high, 53% for some one, i can't remember what the subset was. the truth is that this campaign is going to be won or last going forward on like a basketball game, or tournament i should say the nba tournament on how the gingrich campaign readjusts to what they've seen here in florida from the romney campaign, and gets the message out what the contrast is, what's the difference between newt gingrich and mitt romney in real substance, like on economic issues, on the tax plan or on the ush us that rick santorum's raising, over romney care and obama care and why should you be nominating newt gingrich instead of mitt romney? that's really the bottom line question, because voters want as clearly demonstrated they want

the candidate with better chance of beating obama and they want the conservative candidate and i think gingrich was not able to get his message out that he is the conservative candidate and the stronger one and better one with the better chance of beating obama. i think is he. i wouldn't be here with him if i didn't think so. i think we were outmessaged and outgunned with money in the campaign by four or five to one in this case. >> it didn't seem a stump speech went by without speaker gingrich mentioning the romney attack ads. do you think he let it get under his skin? the romney strategy seemed it hoped it knocked him personally off track. do you think the speaker took the bait? >> i don't think it was a personal thing. it's the fact in iowa he experienced not coming back with anything and he thought as i think is somewhat true if you let completely negative smear campaign go on, on the other side voters tend to believe the

worst and if you have the resources and newt unfortunately didn't have enough resources, the best thing you can do to combat that unfortunately is to be able to make the other guy look as bad or worse than you look. in this particular instance he tried that game and that's not going to work because romney has had more money. going forward, first of all i don't think it will be that kind of a campaign. i think he realizes that he can't come back and he's got to be more on message why people should choose him and secondly i think that in this particular instance the whole issue of coming back on romney as such, he just doesn't have the power to do that with, and therefore there's going to be a different strategy going forward, and i know that's been discussed. i'm part of the strategy team now. we'll have a strategy. in fact the bottom line of this is that newt gingrich has these ideas, big ideas, he has bold

ideas and mitt romney is a sort of steady as you go guy and when you look at the general election campaign that's what the voters have to see in the primary that the bold ideas and the reagan ideas are the ones that are going to really be important to defeat obama, and that's what gingrich is going to have to somehow get out in his messaging in the coming states. he has a lot of opportunity to do than we've only picked 80-some-odd delegates out of 1,144 you have to win, something like that. >> you've seen speaker gingrich's personal rating, governor mitt romney's personal rating get hit pretty hard in the middle of the electorate as they're watching this campaign. >> right. >> at what point does this campaign get to the point where it's destructive to the republican party as a whole? and if it gets to that point, when do you say you know what? enough of this. >> well, i don't think it's destructive to the republican party to have a debate like this. it's gone on for a long time. we have more media outlets,

mores renation, there's repeating on the evening news. in the fall,by ma has $1 billion reportedly to spend, already out attacking romney more than anybody else right now but if newt prevails they'll be attacking him. the fact of the matter is that it's not so destructive as it is constructive, because we need to see who can stand up to this. remember, newt gingrich has come back now three times. >> right. >> if he comes back four times he gets on the map. i said this earlier, it's a little bit like the nba, the national basketball association playoffs. one team prevails in a game, they've got a certain strategy. the next game out they reconfigure that, they come back and offer very strong and that's the way this is going to play out. >> if you were, as part of the gingrich campaign, would you skip the february contest and sort of regroup, get your message together and start focusing the first big delegate day is super tuesday and then there are basically three in six

weeks, three giant delegate days in six weeks with a bunch of state primaries, one in march, two in april, would you skip february? >> i wouldn't skip february, but i would certainly look to the fact that it is going to be the telling time, march the 6th and march the 13th in particular, and that you've got some really good states for you that are coming up, so he's got to fund-raise during this month and the fund-raising went very well last night after his speech. that was a very good speech by the way and very well-received, after the speech type of analysis said that was a terrific message, and he raised a lot of money with it, plus he's got the chance now to go out and get the major donors in. he came out of the florida primary with more cash on hand and a better position than he did coming out of the south carolina primary. >> right. >> i think despite rick santorum wanting to get back in the race that's not going to happen. the base is going to consolidate around newt gingrich and that's what he's going to spend next

month doing the consolidation but he's not going to skip the races. he'll focus knowing the delegate count in those are not significant on super tuesday and the ones after that. >> congressman bill mccollum for speaker newt gingrich. is he going to call mitt romney to congratulate him? >> i don't know if they called each other after wins or losses. it's strange. i've been through these before. didn't have any concept of that. >> fair enough. thank you for coming on this morning. >> you're welcome, thank you. the other election return of the night came through money. romney was also the big winner in super pac donations, pro-romney pacs raised more than $31 million in 2011 and may have raised more in january. the pro-gingrich superpack raised $20 million. joining me is michael isikoff.

the big report is restore our future, the big romney super pac. what did you learn? >> well, a lot of really revealing information about the big money donors that are bankrolling these romney super pac attack ads that played such a big role in florida. about a third of the 17.9 million they reported in the last six months, seems to have come from big wall street hedge fund moguls, private equity kingpins. we counted seven $1 million donations in that report that was filed last night, more than 60 $100,000 or more. remember the presidential campaigns are limited to $2,500 increments, and here in this new era of super pacs, you could get

these giant checks, paul singer, elliott management, one of the really big money donors for the republican party, was one of those million-dollar donors, but take a look at some of these, you know, this overall super pac story, clearly tilts in the favor of the gop. >> it's unbelievable. i was going to say let's put up the graphic. the romney super pac, $30 million. crossroads, karl rove group $51 million in 2011 and the obama super pac $6.7 million. i think elizabeth warren will outraise the obama super pac. >> i asked bill burton, former obama press secretary, deputy press secretary, about that last night and he said well, remember that they had started with high hopes of $100 million and being on equal footing with the karl rove operation. >> whoops. >> they seem to be lagging well behind that.

they said we'll still try to meet our goals but the only question is when. now, you know, clearly when you look at these numbers, you see the gop advantage in the super pacs. but let's not forget that you know the obama financial juggernaut from the campaign is -- >> right. >> -- still out there. they report $140 million last night, a big reliance on those, on the bundlers, it looks like -- >> yes. >> -- as much as more than a third, possibly as much as a half of the money came from big money bundlers, so their big fund-raisers are maybe not equal with these big checks to the super pacs. >> right. >> but they're playing a role. >> michael isikoff, national investigative correspondent, lots more to go through with this. it's only been overnight you've been able to crunch this. we'll get more later. up next, facebook gets ready to friend wall street. we'll get a preview of the day in the market rundown, coming

up. plus the path to vuktr victn our deep dive, how mitt romney dominated florida and the delegate road ahead. the breakdown of what happened in the critical counties and the road ahead and what it says about romney's general election strategy but first today's trivia question, who was the last republican to win the presidency without winning the state of florida? tweet me the answe answeanswer @chucktodd and @dailyrundown. the answer coming up. jeff greenfield, this is up your alley. we'll be radio igt back. the employee of the month isss...

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opening bell just rang which means i'm a little late for this. becky quick, market rundown. >> the market just opening and we are expecting when things

settle out to see the dow is up by about 100 points today. we saw major gains through the month of january. the dow was up by 3.3%, which is impressive for the month but if you look at the s&p 500 it was up by 4.4% for the month of january so we are looking for big things now that we're in the first official trading day of february. as i mentioned they were up strongly today largely because of some manufacturing numbers we saw in china and germany that were better than expected. you mentioned that we have this facebook filing that we're expecting any time. we are expecting it at some point today and when we get the s1 filing that will show us a lot of things including revenue numbers from facebook, it will show us what some of the risks are, it will potentially give us a look at what their business plan is going forward. when you register to become a public company you have to give up more information. that's what the street's been waiting for. we also got numbers this morning, the adp employment report that showed a gain of $170,000 jobs in the private sector for the month of january. the market shrugged that off, that was in line with

expectations but of course markets's looking for better and better numbers. this could give us an indication for friday when we get the all-important government jobs report that comes out. now you need more than 170,000 jobs created to chip away at that unemployment number but at this point the market is looking for probably something that's about in line with expectations, 170 was the adp number and chuck we'll see what happens friday. >> seems like last month -- right, it is every month. >> comes quickly. >> becky quick, thank you very much. i am kirious how facebook plans on making money with their business. "the daily rundown" will be back in 30 seconds.

bottom of the hour, our post primary deep dive this morning. a closer look at how mitt romney won the state of florida. first we'll look at how the counties broke down for the various candidates. now get to the counties that really won this thing for mitt romney. first here is the county map which by the way technically newt gingrich won more counties than mitt romney, as you can see. mitt romney just happened to win the counties that actually have people a lot more people that live within them, and no, this was not some university of miami ploy on this. let me show you how mitt romney pulled this off. he did half of his margin victory won by over 200,000 votes, half of it basically came in five counties, the state of miami here, dade, broward, palm beach, plus tampa bay, st. pete and tampa, pinellas and hillsborough, something like 49%

of his margin simply came out of these five counties. it really was a stunning number. he won miami-dade by 38,000 votes. won it by almost 50%. just a huge number on that. let's look at what was another unbelievable number when you really think about it. 40% of republicans came out and viewed newt gingrich unfavorably. this is republicans. if you had a 40% unfavorable rating in a general election, that would be okay. it's not great, it's not something you want. it's about where president obama is in his personal rating with all of the elector raitt. newt gingrich 40% unfavorable with florida republicans. you think negative ads don't work? they work. the next thing that was probably the second most important number out of this and why newt gingrich and santorum want to go on. look at this number, 41% not conservative enough. among those folks who said mitt romney wasn't conservative enough, newt gingrich won 58% of

those votes. and that was with a 40% unfavorable rating. the base is still not with mitt romney. they believe mitt romney is not a conservative. at some point he's got to fix this problem and make conservatives believe on something he will be with them on, probably he's got to be in fiscal -- i've had some republicans tell me if mitt romney simply read mitch daniels' response to the state of the union and made that his stump speech he might win over some of the tea party on fiscal matters. as you can see here is another thing of romney' weakness. 38% saying somebody else should run. republican voters who actually showed up to the polls to tell us they want more people. that is a big deal, and part of the problem. now let's talk about the path ahead and why this is going to be a longer road than people have. if mitt romney won every single delegate from here on out which might be mathematically impossible, the soonest he can hit the 1,144 he needs is april 24th. if he wins 60% of all the

delegates from here on out, 60%, you go to june 5th. he would not reach half way until march 20th if he won all of them. the gingrichs and santorums will wait until at least march to see where things stand. the path ahead for mitt romney it's not going to be clear because there's too many delegates that are farther down the road and we'll see what happens if there truly is a conservative alternative. up be the ante, the republican campaign heads to nevada. first it's the white house soup of the day, cream of broccoli. i don't have much today. can't do another bush joke with broccoli, right? you're watching "the daily rundown" only on msnbc. 7 i love that my daughter's part fish. but when she got asthma, all i could do was worry ! specialists, lots of doctors, lots of advice...

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for general electric, here is ronald reagan. >> good evening. tonight john forsyth stars on the general electric theater. >> it was on this day in 1953 general electric theater premiered. the next year the show picked up a host, a movie actor some guy named ronald reagan. i think it worked out for him. the republican field in nevada are already flying on the negative ads. hear rick santorum's late's tack ad. >> who are these three cap and trade loving bailout supporting soft on immigration big government mandating politicians? now you know. >> huh. somebody was missing there. that's interesting. we'll talk about that in a second. i want to bring in my panel, alex wagner host of "now alex wagner" "the national review" ryan hans salam and the john

from the political review. >> rick santorum claims he's going to attack mitt romney today but i don't want anybody to watch it so i'm going to wait until today, not when i have a national platform. >> gingrich is his guy. he is going for the gingrich vote. this is not waiting for goudeaux but implode. i'm going to wait for a guy. he's betting that gingrich is going to dig a grave for himself and he'll be the person last left standing to get the conservative vote. >> the thing we learned in florida is there is still a chunk we can say as big as 38% of the party just in the state of florida, who showed up to the polls to say they're dissatisfied with the field. they're going to go somewhere. there is a none of the above vote. >> absolutely. >> newt gingrich has been the vehicle, does rick santorum become the february vehicle for that in. >> you know, i think the thing

about gingrich he doesn't represent a particular movement or constituency. he does represent generalized, vague anger where is rick santorum represents a set of ideas a lot of folks who are dissatisfied with mitt romney might not want to gravitate towards. it's the vagueness of the gingrich surge that was its appeal and now that's petering out, i'm not sure rick santorum can capture it. >> where does it go? because it's not going to mitt romney. >> santorum's problem is money. so this campaign what's different about it for me is that it's not just about the candidates. it's about people like sheldon adelson or santorum's case, foster frees, a guy nobody has heard about. a loot of the future of rick santorum how deep in his pocket foster frees and a couple of other guys who like him want to dig. if they want to fund his campaign he it pick up the

support you're talking about. if they don't he's just going through the motions. >> what's interesting about that point is rick santorum's campaign is high, he raised $2 million in june but ron paul raised three times that amount. >> it's chicken feed if you're in 46 states it doesn't go very far. >> newt gingrich is only in 45. he doesn't have to advertise in virginia. i want to look at the february calendar. what does newt do in february? i have a feeling he could finish third more often than a chance at finishing first. nevada on the 4th, and the 7th, minnesota, colorado doesn't count. maine somehow thinks it needs days to hold its caucuses g figure and february 28th a couple of primaries in arizona and michigan. ryan, where should newt gingrich make a stand, if anywhere? >> very good question. i think he'll not have a lot of luck in the northern tier

states. missouri would make sense because it has a bit of that kind of southern element to it. >> not on the primary ballot there. >> no, indeed. i think to demonstrate he has viability in the border states. that's an incredibly important component of a republican victory in the future. >> it's interesting as arizona to me is the one that stands out, except it's a winner take all state. they pulled the same florida deal, they took the penalty and half delegates, made it winner take all and i hear the gingrich campaign is hearing about skipping it. >> his goal in february should be to lower pgs examine eer exp. he has a bigger message problem as bill mccollum indicated to you. he has to figure out how to drive a message. he's lacking in the tacklet of politics. take time in february, get all of us to say that he's writing off february essentially to fight another day might not be so dumb. >> speaking of messaging mitt romney has to come one a conservative message.

he's basically say i'm already winning conservatives. here's what he said on the "today" show this morning. >> any request about the support of conservatives i think was cleared up last night in florida. people who called themselves conservative and very conservative overwhelmingly supported my campaign, tea partiers supported my campaign, so i'm hoping i can convince people in minnesota, nevada, arizona, colorado. >> it's inevitability trying to do, they're doing different math, they want to combine everything and if you do, if you're them would you do the same thing. you didn't win conservative or strong tea party but won all conservative and all tea party. >> did not so bad with born again and evangelicals. at the end of the day if mitt romney has any chance at the tea partiers it's those who want anybody but obama. he seems to be getting better on electability. i don't know that mitt romney can sell a red meat message that the tea partier also buy. >> he did not carry people who

described themselves as conse e conservati conservative. >> he carried only -- >> misstated. >> he did aggregate them. ryan i want to play a little clip quickly, crossroads is up with an attack ad on president obama and it struck me as if they realized uh-oh, we're taking our eye off the ball. they're going after him on solyndra again. >> solyndra goes bankrupt, the fbi is investigating and who pays the bill? we do. no jobs, just more red ink. >> it seems as if and we just saw the super pac story just a stunning republican dominance on super pacs, democrats really not in the game right now. maybe this motivates them, who knows, but at this point how damage, how much does the republican party need at crossroads to be fighting the general election with president obama? >> you say you have a pa innapl of organizations who have

tremendous resources and bodies on the ground who can burn a message forward and among conservatives funding the organizations their sense, right or wrong is that you have a lot of media organizations that are amplifying the democratic message. >> jonathan are you having flashbacks to '04, all of the democratic groups focused on president bush, not crazy about john kerry. >> in chicago they're trying to rerun 2004 where obama -- >> is bush. >> and a mitt romney is john kerry. they have similarities beyond both being from massachusetts, a stiff quality, doesn't necessarily connect so well with voters but this super pac deal, chuck, is the big story of 2012. obama folks are not going to raise $1 billion. that's out the window. >> no. they're going to be matched dollar for dollar but what karl rove said in '04 was he thought that they kept, they didn't do

the act at the time it was the whole 501c4, they didn't play that game and there was no cohesive democratic strategy and they felt they were wasting money. we might be seeing the same thing on the republican side. >> maybe but you're talking about a bottomless pit, unlimited amounts of money a very few, small number of individuals can pump into our politics, almost like an oligarchy type of situation where we have these people who are so wealthy and they can pervert our process. it's frightening. >> we'll take a quick break and we'll let you disagree right after the break. trivia time. who was the last republican to win the presidency without winning florida? anybody here get it? that silence means you did get it because the answer is silent cal coolidge, in 1924, florida had six electoral votes and they went to the democrat which of course was john w. davis. you knew that of course.

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let's bring back the panel, alex wagner, ryan, jonathan alter. you wanted to respond quickly. >> i think the simple case is this, campaign fund regulations since 1974 has driven us in the direction where the parties are more polarized. the parties can't raise soft dollar organizations. the money is going to be spent. it's either going to go to the campaigns or to the shadow organizations. >> money finds a way. it's just like jeff goldbloom in "jurrasic park." >> transparency, which we all agree we need. can't we agree to find out before the primaries who's

getting the money? >> and the contention there's not coordination on message is totally ludicrous. >> let's talk about the delicate road ahead. 5% of all delegates available have been awarded, 5%, why if you're newt gingrich would you say there are four giants coming up, march 6th, 419 delegates at stake. april 3rd, if texas is on april 3rd. either going to be april 3rd or 17th, maybe even the 24th, but texas could be a giant in this, not necessarily a great state for romney. april 24th is a big romney week, then, of course, if we still don't know who's going to win, june 5th is a big national primary from california to new jersey. you look at this map, of course, newt stays in, right, alex? >> setting aside the logic, there's the ego. there's the angry man who

feels -- he's 68 years old, this is the end of the road for him, this is a personal mission, there's no way he's dropping out. you heard him last night, here's angry. he's angry at romney, angry he's coming from behind, angry from the liberal media. i think he needs message deliberating. >> how to court gingrich and talk him off the ledge? >> i'm not sure they can, i think they have to vanquish him and shame and humiliate him. his supporters have to court and bring those folks on board, these angry voters you are talking about, who are reluctant to get behind anyone, but i don't know about courting gingrich himself. >> i think newt in the race helps romney. the more he describes romney as a massachusetts moderate the more it helps in the general, so as far as i'm concerned, romney

is in good shape having newt nipping at his heels. >> counter c.w., all right, we'll see. shameless plug, fast. >> noon today we'll have jay hogan gidley. >> biggest and best article on romney and bain capital is in the current national review, check it out. >> i want to plug "bloomberg review." there's a great piece on the way newt uses coded language. >> he sent it to me and i meant to plug it sooner. jeff, i'm sorry, your real friend here is jonathan alter. that's it for this edition of "the daily rundown." we'll see you back in d.c. tomorrow. up next is chris jansing. at 1:00. don't miss my friend andrea mitchell. [ degeneres ] what's more beautiful than a covergirl? two covergirls.

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