we happen to have our own mission to the moon. american energy independence, a problem we can solve with our people and ultimately free ourselves. but president johnson also led america through one of the most tumultuous times, the civil rights movement. he packed the civil rights act and the voting rights act. he was a man who understood that leadership at its best any way, matches a country's problems and a country's people to create jobs and solutions, which is why we're here once again for this friday, february 10th, 2012, on our crusade for 30 million jobs. good friday afternoon to you. i'm dylan ratigan. delighted to be seeing you once

again. live with the 30 million jobs tour. we are at the lbj library. we're seeking to learn and meet people and understand more about what we can do around this country, seeking to match the problems with the solutions to create the jobs. the republican front runners are facing off at the cpac gathering while we do this. >> of course, we can defeat barack obama. that's the easy part. believe me, november 6th will be the easiest day our next president is going to face. this country we love is in jeopardy, and it's more than just economic statistics that we read. it's the pain that so many of us feel in our hearts. for three years, we have suffered through the failures, not only of a weak leader, but of a bankrupt ideology. >> why would an undecided voter

vote for a candidate of the party that a party isn't even excited about? we need conservatives now to rally for a conservative to go into november to excite the conservative base, to pull with that excitement moderate voters and to defeat barack obama in the fall. >> we didn't forget about newt gingrich, he's coming up live in a few minutes. we'll bring it to you in that context. but win, lose, or draw, it's energy independence that's at the forefront of our greatest opportunity as a nation right now. not only do we need to find it, we have the resources necessary to find it. we discussed it wednesday with liz perez, the need to harness the motivation, skills, discipline, and competency of returning veterans andç match those skills with the clean energy jobs and efficiency solutions for the hydrocarbon energies we rely on so we cannot only have our independence, but create so many jobs.

at the end of our first interview, we issued this. >> i would love for you to come to texas and join us. would you make the trip? >> absolutely. i love texas. i have been out there a couple times. i was in austin a couple months ago, as a matter of fact. >> we'll see you here on friday. >> and indeed, it is friday and guess who is here? liz perez joins us now in austin. thank you for coming. >> thank you for having me. >> and in d.c., we have the former boss at shell oil, john hofmeister. we would love for the two of you to join hands along with so many of our oil and energy executives who understand this business and our veterans who have incredible motivation around this issue and in general. so we can seize the energy independence that america has been demanding and not been able to achieve for far too long. that's the force for 30 million

jobs. and that's a force for not only freedom, but safety. john, i want to start with you. what's the barrier to enrolling returning veterans to work with executives like yourself from the hydrocarbon business and executives in the green energy space to seize the efficiency and the transition that we're prepared to make in this country to seize our independence. what's the barrier? >> the barrier is just getting connected. how do we get inç touch with eh other? because there have been and will continue to be lots and lots of job requirements. the industry does a great job of skilling people, and in the houston area and other areas of texas, there are great community colleges that are there working with the industry to skill people up. i think we have to find the mechanisms that bring us together. a lot is done with social networking, but a lot can be done with outreach as well. >> you're nodding the whole

time. >> i'm nodding because i agree completely. we just need to get connected. this is really why i'm here today. and started gc green to not only myself get connected, but also connect veterans to meaningful jobs and also creating a solution for america's security. that's national security. >> why did it strike you as such a rational fit for yourself as a military veteran and an advocate for other military veterans to engage around the issue of energy independence? >> after serving in the navy and especially in logistics field in the navy and being deployed overseas several times, we all come back, i have come back with a different lens. coming back home and looking at solutions, part of that solution is not just talking about it, but getting our other veterans a hand and getting that training and connecting them not only with my firm or other firms and take a look at connecting with

other firms like shell, that we can create a more secure amqica, protect our future, and that future is in clean energy technology. >> john, there's clearly no shortage of veterans. there's clearly no shortage of fuel sources and an opportunity to develop those fuel sources of every size and shape. when you look at what we as a collective, we in the media and those in the country maybe not in the energy business, but we understand this issue, what should we be advocating for as a matter of policy? what can we be doing in social networking to help accelerate the connection between not just a veteran here and there, but millions of veterans to create the billions of megawatts of energy we burn every day? >> dylan, we have to get rid of the 20th century energy system because it's all dirty and

dangerous. we need to embrace a 21st century energy business that does the job in this century that the old system did in the last century. what it takes is a plan. we don't have a plan. we need a plan that takes into account from where we are for the next ten years. then ten to 25, then 25 to 50 years. we have had eight presidents and 19 congresss promise us energy independence and not a one of them, including the incumbent congress and white house, have a plan. no plan whatsoever, and when one party gets in, they reverse course from the other party. so it destroys what momentum you might have. if we don't get our act together, we're going to live off the 21st century system until it falls çover. then we'll be short of energy, out of jobs, out of money, and we're going to wonder what happened to us. >> and the opposite side of that equation is millions of jobs created by actually solving that

problem. it's interesting in talking with dr. james hanson from nasa, he put forth a concept, which is this american freedom dividend where we start to restore some of the pricing basis. 5% as it goes. then pay a dividend to everybody who is saving energy and tax those who are the dirtiest and most wasteful. what would be the next step for you with somebody like me and somebody like john. we have now connected. we're three people. we have a good amount of influence. what can the three of us do to enroll more veterans and other members of the media, if you will, which is our mutual constituencies to elevate this? >> you're doing it right now. this is what needs to be done is to talk about it it. that's the first step is to shift that mind set and to advocate about the need for change.

and what's happening in san diego, the navy is already shifting that block. what they are doing is they have created the great fleet in san diego. part of that great green fleet is creating a solution and that's in research and development. that's happening at oceanography. also happening here in texas. texas a&m, creating the solution. so to connect those dots with the research and developmentç d with the other firms, we also need to focus on, again, education. education and providing veterans with the tools that they need to continue in the clean energy field. i was not an officer, but there's a lot of enlisted folks getting out. army, marine corp., navy, air force. they may not have that science background, but there are still jobs for worker bees to go out there and build those institutes

to provide the research and development. to harvesting the crops for growth. what that is, what the navy is doing now is connecting the dots with our military. when the military goes green, guess what? america is going to start going green. >> do you agree with that, john? >> i do. i think there's going to be a continued focus on doing what they can with the limited funds that they have available to them. if we could marshall our forces, dylan, the way nasa did in the '60s to go to the moon, if we could have a plan to go forward where we'd come together, putting it all together in a way that it all works, what military people bring to the energy industry is knowledge acquisition and the other is discipline. energy is a dangerous business. no matter what form you're talking about, you need

discipline and knowledge acquisition. we could do a whole lot if we could just sit around the table as reasonable, practical people and develop a çplan. >> john, what i would love to do, i would like to schedule a meeting between yourself, myself, and officer perez and invite a few other folks and see if we with our resources can begin to elevate this conversation. would you be up for that john? >> absolutely. let's do it. >> all right. >> most definitely. really just uniting folks like operation free, which is a coalition of veterans for clean energy. there's more veterans out there just like myself. >> i do not doubt that. congratulations on what you have accomplished up to this point. john, thank you for your advocacy and your time. look forward to talking to both of you sooner rather than later.

take care. from our generation's mission towards energy independence, you just heard it, to the civil rights march of this generation. coming up, turning a failing war on drugs into a productive jobs war. russell simmons and david kennedy on how we can tackle the problems of prison and drug abuse with meaningful solutions. and in so doing, solve american major health problem, reduce our budget, and continue our march towards creating 30 million jobs. it is the social issues front and center at the cpac gathering in washington. we had a bid of santorum and romney. it's gingrich's turn. we'll have some of it live after this. you're watching the 30 million jobs tour live from austin, texas,ç where they produce two things. presidents and football players. much more from the lbj presidential library on the

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there's a live rook at the cpac convention in d.c. the belly of the beast. the annual gathering of conservatives underway. newt gingrich about to make his pitch to the crowd. his wife introducing him as we speak. let's take a listen and see what

he has to say. >> thank you. what she didn't tell you, by the way, is i'm a very bad golfer. she just wouldn't say it. i want to thank dave bossy, who has been such a great friend. also on a personal note, i want to thank ralph hallow and cpac for recognizing last night tony blankly, who is such a great friend. [ applause ] >> and i want to thank the newt 2012 volunteers who have been here working and have made such a difference. we're a people-based campaign, and ourç volunteers are really important. [ applause ] >> you know, i have spoken at

cpac many times. and cpac was founded to challenge the republican establishment. the fact is, when ronald reagan came here in 1974 and gave his famous speech on bold colors, that was a decade in from reagan's first great national speech for barry goldwater, a time for choosing. when reagan campaigned in 1980, you could see the gap between the republican establishment and the conservative movement. reagan campaigned on supply-side economics, lower taxes, less regulation, more american energy, praise for people who created jobs, the establishment called it voodoo economics. the gop establishment has a single word they use with contempt for conservative ideas. they say they are unrealistic. so creating 16 million jobs

under reagan, unrealistic. ending the soviet union? unrealistic. and there was a brilliant piece written recently pointing out that the fight we were in against the republican establishment over the very question of whether we should have an anti-soviet campaign. the 1994 contract with america, unrealistic. the house republican majority of 1994, which by the way was elected by theç largest one-pay increase in american history. >> that's newt gingrich live at the cpac convention in washington, d.c. the only other candidate ron paul decided to sit this one out. all three who spoke today tried to woo the conservatives while there are plenty of attacks on one another. there was little said about attacking the nation's job crisis through reforming the banking system.

interesting. today's auction 2012 coverage is a texas-style mega panel. all with us here in austin. the politicians as we just saw with newt gingrich there, they are mastering the art of saying exactly the right things to manipulate the lizard brain while doing nothing to reform the tax code, trade policy, banking. have they just decided we're morons? >> right now, gingrich has painted the party as he being the true conservative. the rebel. the reality is, the republican party has been infiltrated and is dominated by conservatives. and the republican establishment rejects him. because he's simply not an effective leader. this is about newt gingrich not being an effective leader.

that's why he doesn't want to discuss the issues. >> it's interesting, krystal. i can't remember who said it. these politicians are like the samurai you find in a cave 30 years after the war ended waving their sword around and they are goingç to kill the american soldiers and it's 2012. we know that what you're doing is completely corrupt as you buy and sell tax favors and subsidies. we know that all you're doing is trying to trade power to decide who can sell favors unto thine constituents. and yet they continue swinging their sword around. do they realize? >> one of the recuring themes that has been funny to watch development throughout the primary is they keep saying these debates, we want to get into the issues. give us the chance to talk about the issues. we need to get questions. they have had 20 debates now. they have had plenty of opportunity to spell out their

issues. i'm sure newt gingrich is up for a lincoln douglas debate any time. and we don't hear it, because they want to hit the lizard brain. they want to convince people they are real conservatives. rick santorum wants to convince people that mitt romney is not a real conservative. and newt gingrich wants to throw bombs at everybody who is around him. >> the interesting thing, ari, when you look at the other side of the aisle and the housing t settlement, where he offers up billions of dollars for a trillions of dollars in fraud, you can't make that up. i'm still buying any house in america for $2,000. the advantage the president has is he can avoid the trade issues. he can completely avoid the tax issues. he can avoid the housing issues because he has these fools on the other side of the room. i don't á)imq9 ñ i do understand, the question is at what point and what can we

continue to do to end this? >> you're talking about 11% of houses being under water in the united states. >> i'm talking about 20% of houses being under water. >> you're talking about the problems. they are over there, one of the games is talking about social issues, which is an old republican tactic to get away from the economy and other big things. i think part of away we're seeing that if you read about lbj, what you see is he was dealing with southern conservatives in his own party. he was dealing with the vietnam protests. he was not out there trying to convince everyone his soul was pure. but for a long time, he got legislation passed by making deals. if you listen to some of these folks at cpac, i don't hear anything about deal making. the speech was about character, his marriage, his time and family and business, but he didn't say how he would get things done different than his rivals. >> and rick santorum came out

out of the gate and said, we don't want to compromise. we don't need to compromise. we need to do things our way. we don't want to work with the other side. echoing ari's thoughts, being here at the library, it's inspiring to see some of the things that he started that were started during that era. medicare, head start, the programs that really make a difference. it does restore your faith in the fact that government can do good and can make a real difference in peoples' lives. >> he was dealing with problems. think about selling integration. the civil rights act in the 1960s. what could be tougher thanç th? but he was a deal maker. he got it done. there's nothing wrong with being a practical politician. >> great to have you guys here. i didn't get to show you my crazy lightbulb. next, there's a saying here that as texas goes, so goes the nation.

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every presidential administration has its scars. some are able to create lasting solutions. the last time this happened in this country was during the civil rights struggles when lbj was able to create and pass the 1964 civil rights act. during the past 50 years in johnson's native texas, a lot has changed. but as the local chapter leader for the ncaap here in texas

tells us, their efforts have turned from the marches of the 1960s to the very institutions that they confront today. >> we have the same issues here. black folks couldn't go to public facilities. those laws had to be changed. you were fixing the whole country. folks who came here also brought things to this environment that demand a different kind of struggle. i was born in macon, georgia. i saw the killings and lynchings. based on the urgency, peopled involved. if you have a country that big next door, and those who fought for the same things, civil rights, voter rights, he gave us a bigger struggle. and more international in context as well. when you think about the loss of life, the loss of jobs, loss of

opportunity, many lives were destroyed. these people sacrificed a lot for ours. it doesn't stop here. we have to do the same thing today. we have to do the same thing today. we have a thing called structural racism. we have to fight the struggle where it is. in institutions in power and education for example. still a lot of gaps in learning and education. economics, you see a huge gap between blacks and whites in wages. it's an embarrassment nationally. we owe it to ourselves to change the battle. we can't do it unless we understand the battlefield has shifted. it starts where you are locally. get involved. school board meetings, city council, fight your battle there. austin, a university town. a lot of rich people here.

sometimes the struggles of people who are black and brown don't make the front pages. we have to ensure that it gets there. austin has been reluctant to get involved directly. through the initiative, we have a lot of folks dealing with issues. it takes cooperation. if you combine yourç strengths you can get things done. lbj was a symbol of that. if you get things done, we know that's a proper way to go forward. we have to be responsible for what we do. it's not just them, it's us. >> when we come back, the civil rights movement of our time. the failed war on drugs and a bought prison system in this country. two leading voices for the black community in america. ben chavis and russell simmons

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and mark meckler, both of them endorsing the ideas of our next guests. hot spotting advocate david kennedy. this segment aimed at one idea. the war on drugs is a monumental failure by any measure. drug consumption, cost, this failed experiment has reallyç turned into a breeding ground for a prison system that is based on racism. an african-american is ten times more likely to be incarcerated for the exact same drug crimes as a white american. in order to keep this drug war alive, we are paying an astronomical price. the cost of incarcerating 150,000 prisoners is $3.3 billion in 2010. and yet prescription drugs, pills, marijuana, are more prevalent in our society than

ever. it is time to start treating drugs for what they are. a massive public health crisis and funnel those wasted billions of dollars toward real reeducation and using people in the human capital that we are destroying in our society to harness and release it in our goal to create 30 million jobs. joining us, the man both dunn and meckler say is right, david kennedy. his book "don't shoot", demonstrates the power of understanding how to solve a problem. also joining us is ben chavis, chairman of the summit action network. and with us in new york, russell simmons, the chairman of rush communications and the founder of globalgrind.com. i'm going to start with you, david. you have a lot of endorsements around you that are emerging

around yourç methodology. give us some insight into exactly what it is you have been doing so that we can better understand it. >> so i work in some of the most desperate neighborhoods in the country. they are largely very historically damaged african-american neighborhoods. they have all kinds of issues and problems we need to pay attention to. there are a couple of things that are not part of the usual historical fabric that we've been dealing with that are doing tremendous damage. these are neighborhoods where if you are a young black man, one in 200 of you in these communities are killed by gunshot every year. they are neighborhoods that are driving the core american reality, which is that if you're a black man, one in three of you will go to prison.

>> but tell us what you're doing. >> it's not okay. neither one of these things is all right. and what turns out to be true is that the community doesn't think it's okay. the guys on the corner don't think it's okay. law enforcement doesn't think it's okay. hardly anybody is driving the problem. it's 10% of the 5% of the young men on the streets at the core of this violence. and those parties, the community, law enforcement, community service, they are getting together and sitting down face to face with the 10% of the 5%. they are saying we know who you are and what you're doing.ç we all care about you. none of us want you dead or locked up. there's a couple things you're doing that has to stop. we want to engage with you so we don't have to bury you or lock you up. >> what have your results been? >> you get the absolute

elimination of street drug markets. you get 60% reductions in homicides in these neighborhoods. you get dramatic improvements in the lives of these guys that everybody is giving up on. it's pretty remarkable. >> russell, when you hear david and see the endorsement from a conservative west texas oil man, you see the endorsement from one of the cofounders of the tea party patriots, your thoughts about these ideas and the moment we find ourselves in where we can create, obviously, a potentially massive and very diverse coalition around a simple idea. >> well, no question that these kinds of ideas are useful. they are critical. we have to change the way we think. my experience with the drug laws growing up, all my friends died and went to jail. and i saw the damage that drugs did. but it wasn't the drugs so much,

it was the war on drugs. a lot of my friends were diseased. some grew out of it. some were in prison. most grew out of it. some were in prison. the ones who went to prison diseased came home criminal. and the cycle of these people going in and out created criminal culture in the streets. and it damaged wholeç communities. so we took diseased people and we put them back into communities as criminals and changed community's fabrics. that's an ongoing problem. that cycle of in and out of jail. we found that it's not helpful in terms of eliminating crime. in fact, it's the core of crime. the creation of crimes. that's the problem we're discussing. so to have a solution like this that's researched and ready to go and to ignore it, there's only one reason for that. it's because the prison industrial complex makes so much money incarcerating these people. so as long as they pay politicians to keep the laws on the books, i have had the

experience of fighting these laws, i have had the experience of going to work with people who cared and finding out that even if the politicians cared, the ones who were in debt to the complex never voted or raise d their voice to change the laws. we know this is a failed drug war. we know people are going to jail and not threatening to our community. we know when they come home, they will be a threat to our community. we have to make a change. >> listen. there's a remarkable amount of logic. that's an increasingly broad basis of support. you have a man sitting next to you who lived his life dealing with these problems. we see what the barriers are. all of these aspects, ben. what is it that we have to do next in order to get not only david more resources, but to

truly elevate the necessary pressures toç eliminate the strangle hold the index has taken on our country? >> david is definitely on the right track. we built a grass roots movement to change the rockefeller drug laws. we here at the lbj library. lbj signed the civil rights act, the voting act. that's what occupy the dream is emerge i emerging. we're going to challenge these issues. take the research and the study that david has done. but you have to involve the participants and people in the community. we're changing consciousness. your earlier segment with officer perez on the energy and the second segment with politicians. we have to get money out of politics. we have to have the institutional amendment. we have to deal with providing the 30 million jobs. we have to involve more than 30 million people to create the 30 million jobs.

we're on board. we have to work hard. we have to deal with green energy. at the end of the day, we're going to meet tonight here in texas, we're going to turn this situation around from the bottom up. >> and if you were to look at -- what is it that you need the most right now, david, to do more of this? >> i need him. >> i think you got him. >> let me interject. what ben is saying is important about the black church. it's the union between the black church and the unions and the black church and the occupy wall street people going together for occupy the dream. this isç a historical thing in that there's a collaboration that's going to make the difference. and again, it's not only the black church and the unions, it's the tea parties. it's the people on the right. this is not a conservative or a liberal or progressive issue.

this is an american issue. we're talking about people who spend $15 million to get billions out of our system. $3.3 billion in texas alone. for the politicians, they can't help it. the money out of washington is so critical. they are paying to keep those laws on the books. it's a small amount they are paying. but the return on their investment is too large to turn our head on and change this. >> and to that end, when you look at tim dunn, who is a west texas oil man, a conservative in this country, you look at mark meckler, who is a conservative in this country. you don't need a greater understanding that this is not a left or right issue than to understand the intensity of your support and the intensity of russell's support and the intensity of my support and all these individuals. david, you get the last word.

the world is with you if only the government understood that. >> no good american wants to live in an america where we are lo locking up an entire people. it's not right. and the more people see that, the more that common sense emerges. it's just wrong. >> i look forward to dinner tonight. not only with you two, but with tim dunn and mark meckler. thank you, guys, for showing the world what is happening. i look forward toç continuing this conversation when we have more time. russell, thank you so much. not only for your commentary, but your leadership and really your modelling of the future for so many of us as we have to deal with so many of these problems. russell simmons, david kennedy, ben chavis. straight ahead here, talk about overcoming obstacles and creating jobs. we'll tell you why they call austin the texas miracle. ♪ it'

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regained every job lost during the recession, but it has added tens of thousands of more. a huge change from just a few years ago, when the dot com bubble collapsed. losing jobs and tax revenue as folks moved elsewhere looking for work. how did they manage the texas-style turn around and how can other cities do the same thing? our next guest played a major role in bringing the city back. gary farmer is the former chair of opportunityç austin, which t the city of austin back on track. it's a pleasure to meet you. >> thank you, dylan. >> we talk about how is the answer. how would you define for us austin's how? >> austin, texas, has seen periods of robust growth. we have also seen periods where we have languished. we have learned from our history. we work at it. we find that austin does best when we work hardest.

so we put together a comprehensive, aggressive plan. it's a global plan. it has many elements to it. it's well-funded by public and private. it has all the elements you would want in a comprehensive economic development plan. >> it's interesting. i spent the morning with a group of entrepreneurs that meet on fridays on a regular basis. they were really inspiring for me. how does a city end up in a situation where you have people not through some policy, but through a self-organizing culture of creativity and investment that can get to this place? >> you know, we have texas dna. we're independent. we're hard-working. we like fair play. our particular community is one of the most innovative communities in the world. we're called the number one in the creative class. you have all these young, curious, independent folks that are trying to make their way. they find austin to be a very

viable place for them to start a business, grow a business, have a family, have a life. and so it's a phenomenal thing to watch the power of collaboration, big business and small business coming together in collaborative opportunities. it's just anç amazing culture really. >> it's been a wonderful experience. it's absolutely spectacular. give me a sense of what you're doing helps to foster and facilitate what we're all admiring in being here. >> our plan is called opportunity austin. number one, it's job recruitment and attraction. corporate recruitment and attraction. we are a national scope. we go all across the country. we understand that economic development is very competitive. >> what's your sell? >> our sell is primarily quality workforce, quality of life, a very predictable governmental regulatory environment, low tax,

cost of business advantage, it's predictable. >> so one thing that you left out of the cell is you here in austin happen to have the weirdest lightbulbs. this is a remarkably weird lightbulb that's made here in austin, which i think is indicative of everything we have talked about in the show, which is american energy independence. this burns 90% less energy. american jobs. it's weird. it lasts for 30 years apparently. it costs around $20. >> that's perfect. i think this particular company -- >> i think they are called fire flies. >> they just graduated from the austin technology incubator. we support the power of small business. fire fly is one of those. the great news, dylan, is there

it's going to revolutionize many things we do this in this country. >> that's a lightbulb. talk about weird. 90% more efficient. lasts 30 years. an absolute delight. thank you very much. congratulations on your success and your leadership in helping show other towns in this country what's possible. >> thank you so much. >> we are not moez siing out of here yet. a look at what we have learned here in austin and how we can all use it to continue our collective quest to create 30 million jobs for america. [ female announcer ] if whole grain isn't the first ingredient in your breakfast cereal, what is? now, in every box of general mills big g cereal, there's more whole grain than any other ingredient. that's why it's listed first. get more whole grain than any other ingredient... just look for the white check.

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expectations, this trip this austin has been. we have had a good time. on and off camera, including over at book people, they threw a wonderful event for us, where they keep it weird. i'm not sure how weird our shows were, but they were sure inspiring. >> most americans have no idea how rigged the market is in favor of fossil fuels. the real costs are the indirect ones. that's not a cost that a lot of people recognize. >> what we have now is voices on both the right and left that do not represent a majority of this country. yet because of citizens united and a lot of other factors, have a lot of money, which gives them huge microphones. >> if we don't get our act together as americans, we're going to live off the system until it falls over and we'll be short of energy, out of jobs, out of money, and we're going to