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watch him play basketball, it's hard to see anything other than than a ripping point guard. fun stuff. well said, richard. our show begins right now. good afternoon. my name is dylan ratigan. we are back here for the start of another extraordinary week. an exciting one. 30 million jobs going to america's youth had this week. we stop at ohio state, university of chicago, but it starts day after tomorrow at the university of kentucky with the wildca wildcats. it's become clear that washington is nowhere near prepared to deliver the action we're going to need on 30 million jobs. it's rather everywhere else in america that has already woken up and smelling the coffee. northern california for one. austin, texas, another place
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that's all over this. unfortunately, we need washington for the big issues like taxes and trade. not to mention bank reform. we want to keep the conversation, however, going across the board. beginning in kentucky. so ahead of our trip, we have our own personal tour guide on the waves, cultures, and peculiarities of the show. congressman john yar moth joins us. what's our staff need to know? how can we arrive in kentucky in a fashion that's not only respectful, but celebratory of what your great state represents in this country. >> you ought to take a couple stops on the kentucky bourbon trail. there are a couple near lexington and you can sample some of the finest of beverages.
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that's a huge factor in our economy. about 30,000 jobs. billions and billions of dollars in business. it's a huge export product now. that's a good way to start. >> the problem is if i do that, congressman, if the show is a little out of focus that day, everybody will know why. let's talk about the unemployment issues in kentucky specifically. it's a good indication, i think, of a whole swath of states in this country that get largely ignored in the conversation that happens in new york and washington. 9.1% unemployment in kentucky right now. specifically, if you were to draw our attention to the most acute barrier to employment for young people in kentucky, what is it? >> well, i think right now it's education. we make great strides in education, but we still have a very low percentage of the population with college degrees. we have a lot of jobs that i think could be filled by
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kentucky residents if our post graduate education were higher. we have great initiatives working on that score. we have an incredible partnership here. ups is our bigger employer. 20,000 employees. we have a program called metro college. the university of louisville, the technical college system, and the city and state pay half of the tuition for their students who work at ups overnight. ups pays the other half. it's a very popular program. we have had more than 2,000 people go through. it 2,600 advanced degrees earned at our local institutions with ups paying part of the bill and the government paying the other part. there are ways we can get together and prepare more people for the workforce. >> one of the big issues i talk about all the time. whatever the program may be. if you do not have money coming in, whether it's the trade relationships, whether it's the tax code, whether it's the
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banking system, which are the three primary gates that effect large-scale money, trillions of dollars. if you don't have money coming in, it's very difficult to do anything. in your household, in your city, in your state, or in your country. there's only so much they can do in austin, texas, or st. louis or kentucky or ohio or chicago or wherever it is when they are faced with a bought congress that is facilitating the removal of money from america through a tax code with two sets of rules. what can people in kentucky do to help reconnect kentucky to washington, d.c. because right now washington, d.c. is disconnected from everybody. >> it is, but we have a great success story here that shows what can be done when government operates in the other way. we enacted in congress a few
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years ago an energy efficiency manufacturing credit so that if an energy-efficient appliance was manufactured in the united states, the manufacturer got a credit as well as the consumer getting it for buying it. because of that, general electric hosts a division here. the appliance and lighting division. they brought 430 jobs back from china to appliance park in louisville to build an energy-efficient water heater. they would not have done that if not for the tax incentive. there are ways to use our tax code in a way that creates jobs in america. and in very advanced technology businesses, which is what we're all trying to accomplish. >> here's one of the root issues. the benefits of a lot of these things that any of us talk about or participate in or do tend to
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be fairly diffused to a lot of people. 80% or 90% get a marginal benefit in the short-term from getting money out of politics, creating a fair trade policy, whatever it is. but in trying to resolve these it things with the diffused benefit to a lot of people, they tend to come with an acute liability for a small group of people. that group of people with the acute liability, because they are benefitting from the trade or suffer from the change in tax code are the most motivated people to deliver the most money to our congress to prevent these changes from happening. so you end up with 196 people providing all of the money for the super pacs. go down these lists. how do we manage for the highly-motivated, highly-powered individuals who are the most influential over our government
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when it comes to restoring fairness in the country? >> you know what my answer would be and it's something i have been heavily involved in. that's publically-financed campaign system to begin with overturning the citizens united decision. and to eliminate the notion that money equals speech. until we get the big money out of politics, the average american has no voice, no fair shake, and the policies that do benefit a very few at the cost of very many are going to remain in place. this is the way the system has evolved. we have to change it. it's pretty easy actually. >> one thing i have discovered, and my own journalism around this beyond everything you just said, is the natural districts, is there gerrymandering? yeah. but you're going to have democrats and republicans living in self-selecting pools around
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the could ntry. because of those predisposed districts, and the lack of any legitimate primary challenger to the incumbent in that district. so if the democratic district, if nobody challenges the democrat, that is the critical point of disconnection that's allowing whoever is the nobility may be to be completely unresponsive to the electorate. how do we get more challenges for dominant districts for incumbent politicians to at least test them? >> well, again, i think you have to figure out a way to help the underdog candidate, or the less than well-funded candidate. have a competitive choice in the races. the way you can do that, there are a number of plans that have been conceived that allow you to
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demonstrate grass roots support and get government funding to make your race competitive. i don't know any other way to do that. but we can't relocate people just to get balanced voting. that's a problem with the divide in congress. the huge gap because most of us when we go home only hear from the people who support us. even though we may be way out on a limb, way out of touch with the core of america, we're still -- we think our ideas are being validated because that's all we hear. there have been a lot of scholarly work done on this about how we have sorted ourselves into like minded areas. the only way to do that is to encourage candidates who give them the resources to take on an incumbent. >> the conversation only gets more interesting by the day. i thank you for helping to facilitate that and send us the
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map of the bourbon trail. we'll give it to everybody after the show. >> okay. you're a little too early for horse racing season. you're a month early for that. but bourbon will work. >> we'll take a run around the track. we'll do a foot race. thank you, congressman. coming up, today here in new york city as syria and yemen erupt and iran cuts oil to parts of the west, basically the heat continues to rise. who can we trust, people? plus the u.s. senate candidate with quite the campaign slogan. fire everybody in congress. he's our specialist. then look closely. a waterfall that's a waterfall in our country right now. yosemite, it turns into a cascade of fire. we'll explain how it happens, when it happens, on this president's day on msnbc. [ male announcer ] we know you don't wait
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developments out of the middle east monday. u.n. weapons inspectors went back into iran today. this their second visit in less than a month. president obama will indeed sit down with the israeli prime minister in early march. meanwhile, iran and israel, as we all know, have been
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exchanging heated rhetoric. especially in recent weeks. there's renewed violence elsewhere in the region. yemen seeing an escalation ahead oaf the election to replace their current president, who has ruled more than three decades. and if that wasn't enough, republican senators john mccain and lindsey graham calling for the u.s. to consider arming syrian opposition forces. it wasn't long ago that we were talking about the same thing with libyan rebels. lots to talk about with the panel. imogen lloyd webber, tim carney. one, american energy independence. we have to get out of there. we have to get out of there now. that's not going to happen for a long time no matter what i say.
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the second factor, with the hypocrisy, who is paying who and this nonsense and depending on the country. it seems at some point we have to acknowledge that the united states is rationally creating an incentive for people to create nuclear weapons. the only way to get rid of the united states either as buying you off or going to kill you, you get that and you're free from daddy. which is a totally nutty incentive. >> but i think the oil angle gets overplayed. there's an ideology at play. you mentioned john mccain and george bush and people in the obama administration too. there's either ideology we need to spread democracy everywhere, or there's the, you know, powers rice doctrine that wherever there's some atrocity, the united states needs to intervene.
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so it's deed-help belief this is the u.s.'s job to do it. >> but, you know, i would like to have a shoutout for the will sewn yans and humanitarians. it's actually not such a dreadful time. in fact, the trend is our friend in the middle east. i think what we're seeing is it's incredibly positive. i think it's naive of us to think you have an arab spring and they it turn into switzerland. but the trendline is positive. we're seeing horrible regimes being topple d. we're seeing the syrian people, how brave are they? they have been oppressed and wiped out. >> state craft is not moral empathy. sometimes america has to deal with. you have john mccain saying we should be helping these people. but you're in a no-win situation. no-win situation with syria at the moment. when you're saying libyans and
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what's been left, the problems in egypt, you can see why the people are backing up and saying we don't want a power vacuum here. >> it's a small minority that's backing assad. the view that the antichaos people are that that's what these societies want is shortsight shortsighted. we just don't see in the medium term that's happening. the other thing about syria, it's not naive and childish to be on the side of freedom and democracy. because this has implications for the rest of the world. the reasons the russians and the chinese are supporting assad so strongly is those dictators want to stay in power. it is in the interest of america and the world to have more democratic views. >> so your -- how do you reconcile, though, the oppression in saudi arabia? the oppression in bahrain?
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how long can the united states go on television and proclaim freedom for the world while financing those that are allies who take that freedom away? >> i care about when we get involved. whether you're talking about iraq and afghanistan and then libya and now syria. so there's all sorts of things we do dipmatically. but u.s. sending soldiers or air support over there, you seem to be advocating doing that in syria. >> i'm not say iing that. but the best is the enemy of the good. i'm saying, okay, syria is different from libya, but intervention in libya worked. leading from behind was very successful. >> mission accomplished. >> it did. it worked. and i think you need to be thoughtful about syria in the same way. >> there's going to be a shift in policy. >> my concern is that this is about to be a massive incentive for everybody to get them a nuclear weapon so we'll leave
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them alone. that's what i would think if i was running one of those countries. at least if you want to deal with america, what we're proving is, because america is like daddy. we'll give you a lot of money if you're good, or we'll stomp upon your head and kill you. or they play daddy. >> the reason we won't intervene in syria, is because unlike libya. >> they have nuclear weapons. any way. let's talk about something more joyous, shall we? there's a recent study on america's allies. before you get too smug, although you should be smug. where's the list? at the table, we have two young american gentlemen of irish decent. a lovely woman from british decent. and another lovely young lady from canadian decent. and you can see why the four of
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us get along so well. you will see the most popular american ally -- >> not me. >> the californnadian. >> usa traaustralia, a close se. >> we're above the french. i'm okay with that. >> you're not in the competition with canada. you're in a competition with france. >> you're good. you're in. meanwhile, obviously, iran is at the bottom of the list. that doesn't take a rocket scientist. should we form a new alliance, tim, with canada, australia and great britain? those who speak english and have an imperial history. >> i'm a little embarrassed. we misspelled canada on that graphic.
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i want to know the 13% of the people who like north korea. >> that's an interesting fact. >> but it -- >> that's a good point. congress is at 10%. so north korea is doing better than congress right now. >> and iran is doing the same. >> but the common bonds of language is something to try to make a philosophical point. it's something we often underestimate in america because we are a melting pot and we have had a minority that has a different language as their first language. this is why sometimes when people worry about english as a second language, some of that is silly. but part of the reason we get along with the canadians and the britts and australians, and the irish a lot in my case, is because we speak the same language. >> we have two languages in canada. >> they are threatening to
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secede. >> not anymore. they decided they are happy in canada. >> they want to get rid of us though. >> i'm a republican. >> when the queen dies, they want to get rid of us. >> with all due respect, i don't believe there's a country on the earth at this point that was not ready to shed themselves of the legacy. >> but all the white people who were on the british empire, maybe we did better. maybe the people who suffered were the nonwhites. >> which were the slaves. >> one of the arguments people make about india eesz rise is having english has been a competitive advantage. >> for sure. and there's no question business has gone to india because of english-speaking labor force that does not exist in other countries. that's without question. it makes me feel good about my buddy in college that is teaching english as a second language. i feel better about his career. after this, with our canadian,
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british, and two irish americans, and north korea outrating our own congress. the green energy ceo running for senate who says it's time to fire the entire congress. our specialist joins the table after this. when you have tough pain, do you want fast relief?
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today's specialist is fed up with the rigged systems and what he calls the luting of america. barry ellsworth puts focus on ethanol production. he's now a candidate for the u.s. senate in the state of nevada, which has the highest unemployment and the most upside
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down or underwater homes in america. he joins us on the set today. bold move on your part considering that the primary mechanism of current politics is personal destruction. >> it is. we have the harry reid machine out there that wants shelley berk lee in office. i have two children that should probably be my grandchildren, but they are not. it changed the way i look at life completely. because of my background in finance, because of my background in starting green plains, i know i can fix the problem. if i had the chance. the problems are fixable. we need to rebuild the bush tax cuts. >> you need a culture of investment in america. it's not even rocket science. >> when i look at the people we have back there, they have been back there for 15 or 20 years.
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the only thing they know how to do is be in and run for office. i don't think they know how anything works. and it just infearuates me. i said, barry, why don't you quit complain iing about it and run for office? they have kids, they have jobs, they have debts. i don't have any of those things except the kids. i said quit complaining and go run. because i know i can fix the thing if they will put me in office. >> the housing crisis in nevada. how do you begin to fix that? i would love to hear specific plans that you've got. >> on the website, we put a petition up that when enough people sign it, we are going to send it to the governor and president obama. the banks don't take a loss when they do a short sale. we cover that. >> we the taxpayer. >> we the taxpayer covered that bank's loss. we have 16,000 kids and their
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paren parents. they are homeless in nevada. it's obscene. it's appalling we can't put a roof over those peoples' heads. you cannot foreclosure until you give 50% reduction. if the house is under water, $200,000. a $100,000 reduction in principle and let them refinance the whole thing at the best interest rate available, or 5%. >> you recognize that were you to succeed with a plan that you're suggesting, it would be so disruptive to the big banks it would render wells fargo and bank of america in need of global restructuring. >> yes, i do. and i would love them to be globally restructured. if they are too big to fail, they are too big to exist in my mind. >> you're ready to deal with the necessary bank restructuring? the reason we haven't dealt with the housing market is because no
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one wants to deal with the bank system. everybody is like forget about it. you're saying you're up for both. go ahead, tim. >> you made money selling ethanol, which was something that the federal government mandated people buy. which was subsidize on the federal and state level. i read through your reports and it was dependent on u.s. agriculture loans, the ethanol mandate, this was corporate welfare and you were profiting from it. is it something you regret? >> i don't regret it, but after i'll explain it to you more because it's a little lengthy. when exxon mobile gets a tax credit, most of that is from ethanol. the blenders tax credit that people talk about is an ethanol -- but the mandate. i agree. it was an ethanol subsidy. >> the mandate to force people to blend ethanol versus mtbe,
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which is a carcinogen, which was contaminating our ground water, which is what the oil company was using before. ethanol doesn't cause cancer. it can make you goofy. >> but it was ethanol industry who helped make it mandatory that they buy ethanol. isn't that corporate welfare? >> i'm not say iing it's wonderl and i didn't make them. and i understand what you're saying, but honestly some of it is propaganda by the oil companies. a lot of it. >> let's imagine you were elected president. would you abolish the ethanol mandate? >> the subsidies, yes. they can function by themselves perfectly now. >> and the mandate also? >> yes. >> okay. >> we have our answer. thank you. >> if you were to look -- forget the policy analysis.
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i think this is all really interesting and dead on, but let's go to tactical engagement. real life. the political process in this country is run through closed primaries largely control led b political parties largely financed. 196 people in america provide 80% of all the money for all the super pacs. so unless you have one of those people or some other peculiar set up, it's difficult to get power in this country because of the gerrymandering and closed primaries. there's a reason why 80% of the time, the same people are reelected and as they are reelected, that reelection of them has nobility is what allows them to get bought off and do all the things we hate. i would be interested in how you think you can navigate your way through a system that's designed to keep you out. >> it is designed. one of the things that angered me before is was he chased
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another guy out. he chased him out because he wanted shelley berkeley. people don't understand that they caused this economic calamity. they caused it. >> the democrats of the late '90s. >> 90-8 in the senate. to me, that shows the level of corruption. in my mind, only a fool would let wall street back into our banking system after the great depression. >> you're preaching to the choir at this table. how do you answer my question? how do you get around the fact that this is a system designed to make sure you don't get in? >> i work as hard as i can to get my name out there and tell the truth. i hope when people meet me, they
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want to vote for me. i know i got into the race a bit late. we're doing everything we can to get my name out there. every voter in the state will hear my name by the end of this week three times. and how they react to that, i don't know. because they are making it about birth control. so people are afraid. we have to vote for the person we trust. don't get your eye off the issue. we need to fix the financial problems. >> how does birth control play into this? >> what they are doing now. with what the republicans are doing, they want to get peoples' focus off the real issues. >> he's saying that's the latest wedge issue. >> before it was gay marriage. they get people afraid. >> i could not agree with that more. bar barry, it's a pleasure to meet you. we need more incumbent challengers. i respect your willingness to engage at that level. this is just the beginning. stay put. as you probably know, by now,
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we're headed back on the road this week for 30 million jobs. once again, talking about the ideas we lay out in our book "greedy bastards." we stopped by "the today show" for a conversation about some of those ideas. >> we need 30 million jobs. i know for sure i can't do that. in fact, i would be defined to anybody that could suggest they would do that. as a result, we have to all talk about what are the systems. what are the flows of money? every problem is a job. the knicks needed a point guard. jeremy lin got a job. solved a problem. >> he will probably keep it too. >> literally, the knicks needed a point guard. it was a problem. now jeremy lin has a job. you get my point. we would love to continue all these conversations with you on the road this week. this wednesday we're at joseph book sellers in lexington kentucky. thursday in columbus, ohio.
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kinder e garten? when it comes to happy, there may be a truth in that. our next guest claims our emotions have scientific logic behind them. if we crack the equation for the environments that drive our emotional states, we can all using these emotional equations live fundamentally happier and overall more successful. chip conley is the offer of "emotional equations." first off, hello. >> hello. >> greetings. >> it's good to be here. thank you. >> is everybody's equation different? is the equation for my happiness or my whatever it is a custom equation for dylan and is chip's equation different for you? and we go around the room? or is there a baseline that's
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applicable to everybody? >> based upon my experience on a couple years working with some of the luminaries in the psychology field, there's some universal truths about humanity. so the equations are common throughout. some equations may be more relevant to certain people. you can create your own equation. but the equation for happiness or anxiety is going to be common across all people. >> all right. should we review some? >> let's do some emotional math. >> i have some on my list from the preinterview. i can do that. or if there's a place you'd like to start. >> i'll let you go. >> uncertainty times powerlessness equals anxiety. >> that's probably the most relevant emotion we see in organizations in the u.s. today. so there are two components or ingredients. what you don't know and what you
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can't control. uncertainty is what you don't know and powerless is what you can't control. so you can create an anxiety balance sheet. create four columns. first column is what is it you do know about the thing that's making you anxious? the third column is what is it you can influence and column four is what you can't influence. >> it's what i know e and don't know. what i can influence and what i can't influence. >> think about what it is making you anxious. put that on paper. and fascinating 75% of the people who do this find they have more things in columns in the assets as opposed to the
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other two. sometimes you can look at column two and what is it that i don't know? who does know it? if i think my wife is having an affair, who can i ask? maybe i could ask my spouse or my boss. we think we should make the ask, but there's a great study where people had the choice of getting an electric shock now that's twice as painful as an electric shock they could get in the next ãmessage for those as a ceo for 24 get into this anxious state otherwise.
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>> i got it. uncertainty and powerlessness. that was wonderful. let's do one more. happiness. the holy grail of human life. it's in our constitution. we're to pursue it. that's why we're here. the formula is wanting what you have divided by having what you want. is that correct? that equals happiness. a little confusing. >> so you have heard of the gross national happiness index. wanting what you have is appreciating what you have. having gratitude. practicing gratitude. so the fastest way to become happy is to feel some gratitude. and better yet, actually express it. to feel the gratitude without expressing it is like wrapping a christmas skprent not giving it
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to someone. so practicing gratitude. what's in the bottom? having what you want is to pursue gratification. so the act of pursuing happiness, the act of pursuing gratification has a lot to do with getting on the treadmill and constantly looking for the next object. when you have your object, now you want two more. there's a tendency for us, especially in american culture, to pursue and pursue. though the definition of pursuit in some of the dictionaries is to chase with hostility. so do we chase happiness with hostility? we often do. >> come here you little happiness. i'm going to get you. so wanting what you have i understand that. appreciating what exists here now. >> correct. >> having what you want seems like a recipe for disaster for the reasons you just described. because having what you want is a permanent never-ending cycle.
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>> whatever you get, you want twice as much. >> so how does that help? >> if we're here, we're pursuers by nature. the best way to get to happiness is to know you can't get off the pursuit treadmill for too long, but when you do, practice some gratitude. remind yourself. it's not to say you shouldn't pursue things in life. it says instead of spending all your time on pursuit, because you can't pursue gratification at the same time that you're practicing gratitude. it's almost impossible to do them at the same time. >> thus it the math. it's an absolute delight to meet you in person. >> thank you. >> and congrats on the book. >> i appreciate being here. when people have a lot of external chaos like we do, they look for internal logic. >> this is some good stuff. and you have a good endorsement from a man i respect. so compliments to you.
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thanks. coming up on "hardball," rick santorum coming under some criticism for his commentary. exploring whether rick santorum is channelling the reactionary right wing of the republican party that he's trying to win? and before we go, we all know why men like it. but now kelly goth tells us why women should dig the latest sports illustrated swim suit edition. [ coughs ]
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it's a fine monday here in. kelly is here with the rant. >> not too long ago after new
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year's, america is captivated by a sports contest. the contest for who will grace the cover of the "sports illustrated" swim suit e edition. it's the greem book of males. i'm one feminist that believes there's a lot in the issue for women to celebrate. let me explain. following in the footsteps of christy brinkley, this year's cover girl is kate upton. though her official weight is hard to pin down, she's compared to james manfield. in other words, she's a far cry from the skeleton model. most models are thinner than the general population. her agent admitted some of his colleagues thought he was crazy for signing the healthy-looking upton. as a friend said, she's not your typical model. she will eat anything, which is refreshing to hear. it comes at an interesting time.
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just last year. notch ral model management opened doors to those not overweight or underweight. the founder is a plus-size model herself who lost clients when she lost 50 pounds. at a healthy size 8, she was considered too big for traditional swim suit modelling and too small for plus size. cindy crawford said she and fellow super models would be considered too big to make it in the industry today. at her peak, crawford was a size 6. the average working model today, a size 2 or smaller and 5'10" tall. this is why i'm a fan of the "sports illustrated" swim suit issue. female beauty is celebrated in the fine form. some of my favorite images featured female athletes showing off their healthy physiques while playing sports. some of my other favorites, those featuring those and their
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wives, who were not super models, but look happy and healthy. joining upton in this issue? krystal rin. after losing weight, she's now a size 8. appare apparently, just right for "sports illustrated." she spoke of her past struggles with eating disorders. here's hoping seeing her and the other healthy ladies in the swim suit edition can give hope to other girls struggling to define healthy as beautiful. >> i conquer with you certainly. i would argue a lot of the production of the modelling architecture is done not by men. in other words, if you talk to men, i have no science to back this up other than my own community. men like women. men do not like

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