glenn" that is "hardball" thanks for being with us. "the ed show" with ed schultz starts right now. good evening, americans, welcome to "the ed show" from new york. rick santorum said he did not compare president obama to adolf hitler. well, i'll show you the tape and let you decide. this is "the ed show" let's get to work. maybe he's not the best guy after a while you found out things about this guy over in europe he's not so good of a guy after all. >> phony theology not based on the bible. >> rick santorum riding a radical wave to the top of the polls. his surrogates aren't helping. >> he's referring to radical policies. >> former congressman allan grayson and r.t.rybak on the latest remarks from rick santorum.

protesters in virginia delay on vote on the state's radical anti-abortion law. now terry o'neill will have the latest. in arizona, a sex scandal involving a romney state co-chair could cost the candidate big time. howard fineman is here with the latest. and outrage over a racist jeremy lin headline, and on air comments at espn. >> if there is a chink in the >> if there is a chink in the armor, where can lin improve his game? >> michael ear ric dyson has reaction. thanks for watching. the more radical rick santorum is the better he seems to do in the polls. santorum now up by 10 points nationally according to gallup, beating mitt romney 36% to 26%. he's mobilizing social conservatives. along the way he has said questionable things. last night in a church in georgia, santorum compared our

current political climate to the build-up to world warmerica sat on the sidelines too long in 1940. >> we are a hopeful people, we think it will get better, he's a nice guy. it won't be near as bad as what we think. this will be okay, oh, yeah, maybe he's not the best guy after a while you found out some things about this guy over in europe, he's not so good of a guy after all. but you know why what, why do we need to be involved. that is the op at the mystic spirit of america, sometimes, sometimes it's not okay. it will be harlder for this generation to figure this out. there is no event. >> santorum didn't mention games >> santorum didn't mention games but talked about a nice guy and this guy over in europe. if he was comparing president

obama to adolf hitler, this is shocking. country western singer hank williams, jr. made the same comparison last year and was fired. >> come on, come on. it would be like hitler playing golf with netanyahu, okay? >> santorum says he wasn't pulling a hank williams, jr. a reporter asked santorum at the was making a comparison between hitler and president obama, and santorum said this. >> of course not. the world war ii metaphor is one i've used 100 times in my career. if he wasn't comparing president obama to hitler he should explain who in the hell he was talking about. senator, could we have a name tonight? can you get one of your press people to put out a release and tell us exactly who you were talking about? rick santorum rarely takes responsibility for extreme rhetoric. last month at a town hall

meeting an audience member called president obama a muslim. santorum had nothing say in response. >> he is an avowed muslim. and my question is why isn't something being done to get him out of our government, he has no legal right to be calling himself president. >> well, i'm doing my best to get him out of the government. >> just like today, santorum avoided any responsibility. >> i don't think it's my responsibility, why don't you go out and correct it it's not my responsibility as a candidate to correct everybody who makes a statement that i disagree with. >> meanwhile, santorum's campaign staff could use a little coaching. his press secretarial y etary made a strange comment to andrea mitchell. >> there is a type of theological secularism, he was referring to the president's policies in terms of the radical islamic policies the president has.

>> stuart said she meant to say radical environmental policies, but kind of messed up and said radical islamic policies. ask yourself the question, do they sound similar to you? it might be a happy accident but this kind of rhetoric first up the trawl conservative base of the republican party, just like it did in 2008. >> that guy gets elected and hangs around with terrorists. >> who is the terrorists? >> obama. >> obama is a terrorist, don't you know that? >> obama is muslim, a terrorist himself. >> rick santorum can denny specific comparison president obama to adolf hitler, his spokesperson can say she meant to say environment when she said islamic, they know the power of language. what rick santorum said last night in georgia to me was very clear. he compared the challenges the country faces today with the peril the world faced in 1940.

to bring up any discussion of this guy in europe about our modern day political environment, i think is absolutely outrageous, he should be called on it. senator, former senator from pennsylvania, give us a name. who were you talking about? get your cell phones out i want to know what you think. tonight's question, do you think rick santorum was comparing president obama to hitler? text a for yes, b for no to 622639. go to our blog at ed.msnbc.com. we'll bring you results later on. i'm joined by former congressman alan grayson of florida running for the seat one more time after redistricting. congressman good to have you with us tonight. you've heard this rhetoric before. do you believe rick santorum needs to be held accountable and give us a name as to who he was talking about in europe back in the 40s, comparing it to president obama?

>> of course, but rick santorum says things like that almost every day in the very same speech, ed, he said that president obama is the worst president we've had on security. the very worst. the worst president on the economy and said president obama wants higher gas prices. this is part of the villification and demonnizing you hear on glenn beck, rush limbaugh, sean hannity's show and articulating that for the same audience, the tea party fanatics who determine the republican primary. >> in the speech, wasn't he drawing a parallel what europe and the world faced back in 1940, and what we as a country face and what the world is looking at right now and said he was a nice guy but kind of made a mistake and it was very clear to me he was talking about adolf hitler and making the comparison to the president of the united states. is it a deliberate strategy in your opinion?

>> it's a deliberate strategy to villify the president, we have seen it before he was elected it won't work. 67 million americans voted for him last time, more than 67 million will vote for him this time. what he's doing is playing to that particular paranoid audience, the paranoid style of american politics and trying to make them angry and fearful of barack obama to the point they will support him, that is what he's doing and he is doing it consciously. >> we're talking about the man who now leads in the national poll by ten points over the closest challenger, mitt romney. what do you make of that? >> only a t iny fraction has anything to do with the republican primaries. the turnout in maine was less than one-half of one percent. 1.3 million people live there, 5000 voted in the primary to choose the next president. the fringe, the radical fringe. these are the people who are going to generate the opponent to barack obama in the next

election, god help us all. >> why would santorum's spokesperson say islamic policies when talking about environmental policies? >> again, it's no different from what you hear all the time on fox news and on hate radio. rick santorum, like millions of other americans, immersed in hate radio and fox news for decades. this is the result of it. he's the tea part difficult candidate. this is what you see, but there is a gaming chasm between the tea party and the rest of america, they will generate the neck republican candidate whether we like it or not. people would love to see a honest debate between two people with different points of view you won't see that because the tea party will choose a candidate that spews nothing but hatred. >> alan grayson great to have you us tonight. now r.t.rybak, vice chair of the democratic national committee. what do you make of what you

heard, what you've seen in the radical turns that we've seen rick santorum make on the came trail in the last week. >> it's nothing new, since the beginning of his career he has been addicted talking about sex, religion, anything that candy individual the country. we have a president listening to the baloney for years, and has been able to stay focused on creating jobs. 23 straight months of private sector job growth, drill it in their head, that is what we should be talking about. the fact of the matter is, can you imagine a president, santorum? can you imagine what he would do can you imagine what he would do with extremists in congress. can you imagine how he would shut down the government? the reality is we have a president who has listened to the most extreme things, calling his wife his baby mama, we can

go on and on, bom arack obama has not been distracted. the fact of the matter is he is running against people who have run so far to the extreme that they ruined the republican party and those moderates are complies it because they are letting the people with the extreme thoughts take over their party. that is their problem. because the reality is america right now will support a president who is going to be focused on jobs and that what is the president is doing. >> r.t., i'm not meaning to hang this you on, why does it take a cable host to ask rick santorum who the hell he was talking about? why aren't the democrats demanding he clarify exactly what he meant so everybody in the country will know this story that this is who the republicans are apparently endorsing right now, picking up more endorsements all the time. the christian conservatives are out behind rick santorum,

really? is this the kind of rhetoric you support, why isn't the dnc going after this? >> well, a good yes, ed, one of those things we wrestle with the fact of the matter is we can either jump to attention every time rick santorum says something nutty or try to make sure we get the message out about what the president is doing on the economy. the president can run the country or try to respond every time rick santorum says something crazy that would take way too much time. >> this one definitely goes out of bounds from any of the stuff we've heard before. mitt romney has dob nald trump attacking santorum on radio. >> i see some of his views which are so out there that he's never going to win. he cannot win the general election. cannot win it. there's no gift, no christmas gift that could be given better than rick santorum to the democrats. they are just sal i vating at

that. >> do you agree with donald trump tonight, r.t.? >> well, i think it's exciting to think about that election, but i don't love the fact that some how we'll go back in the slime fest, the republicans want to do this to each other, that's cool but if they want to inflict it on the rest of us, not just democrats but the rest of the country look at an america that needs to be brought together, a president that has stayed focused on keeping us safe and creating jobs. a new poll shows 55% of republicans wish a different candidate was running for the nomination. who knows, you might see a totally different name when it's said and done. appreciate your time here on the "the ed show." answer the question at the bottom of the screen, share thoughts on twitter. we want to know what you think. up next, more highlight from rick santorum's radical weekend. oh, yes, there is more. joy-ann and e.j. dionne will be

here to talk about rick santorum attacks on faith and education. mitt romney has a new problem. his arizona co-chaired resigned amid a scandal. howard fineman is with me on that story. we're right back.

coming up, rick santorum is walking back ridiculous statement. he says the presidents that ha different theology. he wants us to believe he wasn't talking about religion. i'll ask joy-ann reid and e.j. dionne what they think. you won't believe what is going on in virginia it's the new battlefield for the republican war on women. today in that state, women were fighting back. the president of the national organization for women is here to explain. an espn anchor is suspended after racist remarks about jeremy lin, michael eric dyson joins me later. share your thoughts on twitter #edshow, we're right back.

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welcome back to "the ed show." rick santorum wrapped up radicalism big time in addition to comparing president obama to hitler, he said he wants the federal and state government out, i mean out of public education. and on saturday, he said this about president obama's agenda. >> it's not about you. not about your quality of life, not about your jobs. it's about some phony ideal, it's about some phony ideal, some phony theology, not a theology based on the bible, different theology, no less a

theology. >> later in the day santorum doubled down focusing on the president's mandate for birth control coverage. >> president has reached a new low in this country's history of oppressing religious freedom we have never seen before. and if he doesn't want to call his imposition of his values a theology, that's fine. but it is an imposition of his values over a church who has very clear theological reasons for opposing what the obama administration is forcing on it. >> by sunday, santorum had developed a new explanation for his theology comment. >> i wasn't suggesting the president is not a christian. i accept the fact the president is a christian. i was talking about the radical environmentalists, this idea that man is here to serve the earth as opposed to be good stewards of the earth. i think that is a phony ideal.

>> phony is a good word directed at the wrong person. i'm not buying it. you heard the tape. santorum said president obama was imposing a theology not based on the bible. that is a direct attack on the president's faith. i am joined tonight by joy-ann reid, msnbc contributor and managing editor of the grio, and e.j. dionne, senior fellow at brookings institute and columnist for ""the washington post."" >> is santorum going after president obama's faith to make sure he locks up the radical social conservatives and has this big separation between both he and mitt romney? what about that? >> you know, that looked like what he was doing, and then he wanted to say that wasn't what he was doing. what i would like to see, actually, if santorum gets the nomination, let's have a fourth debate, let's have a fourth debate dedicated to theology. rick santorum has every right if

he wants to, to talk about his own theology. president obama knows quite about theology, his hero is one of the theologians. i can't leave the hitler metaphor. i hope rick santorum when he says he didn't mean to do it, i hope that is right because i like to put a ban on hitler metaphors in american politics. the only people who should be compared to hitler are people who commit genocide against millions of people. every politician when they are about to go down that hitler road ought to have something in their heads that says "don't go there." >> it's not just president obama's faith santorum is calling in question. here is more. >> it's not just president obama's faith santorum is calling in question. here is more. >> the left in america has their own moral code in which they want to impose on this country. you can call eight it a world view, a theology, they have their own moral code they want to impose on everybody else

while they insist and complain people of judeo-christian faith are intolerant of their moral code. >> joy-ann reid, is he implying the left in america is not judeo-christian, is this designed to help him with evangelicals, which he has to win? >> i have trouble believing anything rick santorum is doing is planned, because it seems like he is so unused to being the front-runner, he's letting for the with the campaign rhetoric, he's not used to speaking before the nation. every time i listen to rick santorum all i can think is projection. a guy who quite plainly has a goal of imposing his theology in a certain moral code he thinks is tied to the founding fathers, but uniquely his and a small

group of christian evangelicals, he wants to impose it on the nation. he feels the country should be governed by the rules of the catholic church. >> e.j., do you think rick santorum truly believes what he's saying or is he just trying to get people to draw distance between him and romney? >> i think joy-ann is exactly right. i think this is exactly what santorum believes. he's always believed this. and he can't get used to the fact that when he says things like this, it comes off diffently because he's subject to the scrutiny of a presidential campaign and i think he's actually helping mitt romney catch up with him in michigan but it does bother me when he seems to suggest that to be an environmentalist puts you outside the christian orbit. a great christian former head of the national association of evangelicals talked about creation care. he cares about global warming because he thinks that god gave us stewardship over the earth

and we have to be responsible about it. that is a christian view, not outside the framework of christianity to be an environmentist. santorum also said this. >> the idea the federal government should be running schools frankly much less that the state government should be running schools is anacronistic. i think it should be a process locally run, works with parents to provide the optimal opportunity for each child in america to get the education that they need. snot what the federal government or state government says that you should have. >> impoverished neighborhoods, where will the money come from, joy-ann? >> i'm so glad you played that clip, i have been wanting to talk about that since i saw it sunday. i wish bob schieffer had a chance to follow-up. what rick santorum is saying, he didn't go further and continue it, is that the federal government and the state government shouldn't be involved in education because people of

his ideology, they should not have to teach global warming, our kids learn about the environment. they don't want their kids to learn. that they want individualized education not to teach about science. >> we'd have a major gap between the haves and have-notes. we would be creating the >> a system in the third world, student have to pay to go to school. they believe in private education you home school or pay for it. >> e.j., i can't go without having you comment on this, i know morally near and dear to your heart, but how in the world could we have a public education system in this country if there was no federal money, if there was no state money? >> if you pulled all the federal and all the state money out of the schools, you'd be breaking the nation's promise to every poor kid that you'll have a shot at going to a decent school and if you work hard and study hard,

you have a way to advance. of course the public schools aren't perfect everywhere. of course we have to reform them. but pulling out state and federal money is exactly the opposite of what we need to do because our public system, forget the private schools, our public systems are so unequal, even with that money coming in. >> joy-ann reid, 679 e.j. dionne, thank you. the war on women's health care is in virginia as a series of radical measures await legislative approval, the governor says he'll sign them. terry o'neill, the president of the national organization for women will join me for the discussion. david koch says he's helping scott walker in wisconsin. how much help is he giving the union-busting governor? you're watching "the ed show" on msnbc, we're right back.

the sound of feet crunching on the icy road. powerful language displayed on shirts, cheeks and arm bands. all greeted state lawmakers on monday walking to their meetings on the capitol. conversation was absent. >> sometimes you think it's more what you don't say than you do say. >> the republicans war on women reached the battleground state of virginia. today more than -- would define embryos as humans. another bill requires women seeking abortions to receive a

highly invasive trans-vaginal ultrasound first. right wingers see no issue with the state mandating this type of procedure. >> wait a minute they had no problems having similar to a trans-vaginal procedure when they engaged in the act that resulted in their pregnancy. >> the ultrasound bill has passed both republican-controlled houses in the state of virginia. here's how one legislator described women's reproductive rights last week. >> we hear the same song over >> we hear the same song over there, the very tragic human notes that are often touched upon involve extreme examples. but in the vast majority of these cases these are matters of lifestyle convenience, mr. speaker. >> lifestyle convenience? the majority of virginians opposing the ultrasound legislation. >> i'm trying to remind i am a

legal person i have a vote and opinion and a body which is my right to control. >> let's turn to terry o'neill, president of the national organization for women. terry, good to have you with us tonight. this is essentially, as i read it, the government mandating to a doctor that he must perform a procedure on a woman. do i have that right? >> yes, a medically unnecessary procedure. on a woman. in fact, ed, a number of women have been posting on blogs and on comments that their own experience with this procedure because sometimes in rare cases it is medically warranted, even when your doctor is doing it for your own good it's an unpleasant experience, often, often painful, it is not pleasant. to take that experience and make it state mandated, even when it's medically inappropriate, there are a number of women who have begun to say let's look at the state definition in fact the new fbi definition of rape.

and that would include vaginal penetration against the will without the consent of the woman. now -- >> is it rape in your opinion? >> i think it is. >> you do think it's rape? >> i think it is, ed, i do. >> clearly it's something that a woman would be forced to do so she would lose control of her body. >> it's non-consensual. if it's non-consensual penetration of her vagina i don't know what else you call it but rape. it is a -- it really i think rips the mask off the intention of the people and it's almost -- it's mostly men who are trying to criminalize abortion. this is not about protecting women. this is shaming women, this is about physically abusing women, anything they can do to keep this sort of political football of women's health.

it's really outrageous and when you consider that one in three women will have an abortion in her lifetime, the dreadful willingness to put women through an unnecessary invasive rape-like procedure is just astonishing. >> republican governor bob mcdonnell will support the legislation and will sign it. but what is happening in virginia clearly is a broader attack of what is happening on women's health. here's rick santorum what he had to say about pre hn natal testing. and the affordable health care act. >> one of the mandates is they require free pre-natat testing. why? free pre-natal testing ends up in more abortion and less care that has to be done because we

cull the ranks of the disabled in our society. >> yesterday santorum tried to clarify his comments but doesn't pre-natal testing identify really a wide range of issues? >> you know, yes, frankly, the united states needs a leader, a president who is both well-informed and honest. and we would not get that with rick santorum it's very clear. pre-natal testing is an integral part of pre-natal care for women. women are two to three times more likely to die in child birth if they don't get pre-natal care and infants are six times more likely to die before they reach the age of 12 months if their moms didn't get pre natal care. here is a man that wants to be president that doesn't think women should get basic pre natal

care. >> we will talk more about it later on the in the week. terry o'neill, thank you for your time tonight. these were photographs that are mine, that i sent to an individual that was meant only for their observation. >> a sex scandal in arizona involving a romney state co-chair means trouble for the mittster. howard fineman has the latest. david koch is admitting he's spending time and money to help scott walker fight his recall election. we'll have the latest. espn comes under fire for a flat out racist jeremy lin headline and comments made on air. >> if there is a chink in the armor, where can lin improve his game? >> michael eric dyson is here with reaction. direct rates side by side to find you a great deal, even if it's not with us.

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welcome back to "the ed show." mitt romney has a brand new problem on his hands. remember romney is now the candidate who is supposed to be so great at running things and organizing things and surrounding himself with the correct people. well, romney's arizona co-chair, sheriff paul babeu abruptly stepped down after allegations he threatened his boyfriend if he revealed the relationship. the sheriff admitted he's gay but said he didn't know the man was here illegally. this is the same sheriff who has railed against illegal immigration and who made this political ad for senator john mccain's reelection. >> complete the dang fence. >> it will work this time. senator, you're one of us. >> this is about the last thing romney campaign needed, romney spokesperson said they supported the sheriff's decision to resign. santorum is closing in, three

points behind mitt romney. santorum and romney are still close in romney's home state of michigan. now, a veteran gop senator told politico if romney can't win michigan, we need a new candidate. mitch daniels door have become fist pounding. let's turn to howard fineman, editorial director of "the huffington post" media group. it's been two weeks tomorrow since the minnesota, missouri and colorado, rick santorum had the lead in the polls for a couple weeks. now this for romney, sort it out, what does it mean? who has the problems here? >> well, let's start with arizona. i think that is a close race, i think mitt romney by all rights should win it in part because there is a strong mormon population there. and he has ties in that part of the country. but the fact that it's close as

it is is significant. while the people in the santorum campaign are staying away from the sheriff's story, they say look, the guy wasn't part of romney's campaign in any active way, let's not jump to conclusions, let's not go there. in my cynical interpretation, that means they think it's having an effect they don't need to say anything. it is true that in these other primaries, conservative voters turn out, social issue voters turn out. evan al evangelicals evangelicals, nothing he needs at this point when his campaign and all his endorsers and surrogates seem to have no power to get in trouble, don't forget in south carolina, the governor endorsed mitt romney meant nothing. in minnesota tim pawlenty, the former republican governor endorsed mitt romney it meant nothing. so the endorsements have been no big help and this wasn't one. >> source told me that internal polling for the republicans in michigan rick santorum is doing

well with the social conservative, doing well with the tea partiers and surprisingly, doing well with union members. those reagan democrats are still alive. is that what will close it out for him in michigan? >> that will certainly help. and i happen frob his hometown of pittsburgh, i know how he worked the unions in pittsburgh, he had good relationships with the steelworkers, he was not a right-to-work guy in that state, because he was in pennsylvania. i think some messages from the union people out there are look, if we're going do have a republican nominee let's have one we worked with in the past, so i don't know there is the ve he vehement opposition. >> do you think the republicans will try to find somebody else if mitt romney can't win his home state in how big a deal is this and is mitch daniel a player?

>> there are several players. a couple things, i have been talking to a lot of the same senior institutional republicans here in washington around the country, i think if mitt romney loses michigan, it doesn't mean those people are going to embrace rick santorum. that is the first thing. i asked a couple senior people including a couple former republican senators, do you embrace rick santorum if romney loses the next round, they said no. i said does that mean you double down on mitt romney one last time? one guy said yes, the other guy said no. i predict what happens is that the establishment such as it is, will make one more bet on mitt romney, that he some how will use his money and clout to do well on super tuesday. if he doesn't do well on super tuesday, march 6th, forget it. the race will be on to find somebody else, whether mitch jersey or even though he said he is not interested, jeb bush is the one the insiders here really want.

that is the one they dream of, ed, whether they could get him, i don't know. >> i was in florida this weekend i heard that a few times as well. howard fineman, great to have you with us. >> thank you. >> david koch confirms his involvement in wisconsin. we have the details, next.

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outstanding, thanks for all the support and helping us move the cause forward. >> that was a blogger posing as oil billionaire david koch, prank calling wisconsin governor scott walker last year, very entertaining. at the time the real david koch told the new york times, he didn't know who scott walker was. that is no longer the case. in a new interview the normally secretive right winger praises his union busting efforts. he tells the palm beach post, what scott walker is doing with public unions in wisconsin is critically important, an impressive guy and very courageous, if the unions win the recall there will be no stopping union power. let me point out not one union dime is being spent on radio or tv ads in the badger state. that hasn't stopped david and charles koch from providing walker financial support. we're helping him as we should. we've gotten pretty good at this over the years. we've spent a lot of money in wisconsin, we're going to spend

more. the koch brothers group, americans for prosperity, which spent millions on ads attacking president obama is now spending $700,000 on anti-union ads in wisconsin. despite his deep pockets and enormous influence, koch is perplexed by the media coverage. they make me sound like a bully, do i look like a bully? do i have to answer that? another major screw-up. by people covering the jeremy lin story. there is a big learning curve on racial insensitivity that needs to take place in america. michael eric dyson joins me next. [ female announcer ] with swiffer wetjet,

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welcome back to "the ed show." the big finish, racially insensitive comments about jeremy lin reached a new peak. after the loss to the hornets, an espn anchor said this. >> he's handled everything very well as you said unflappable, if there is a chink in the armor, where can lin improve his game? >> espn's mobile website showed

a headline saturday morning, for 30 minutes before it was taken down. the employee responsible has been fired. the espn anchor has been suspended for a month. he has apologized, on twitter, he has apologized, on twitter, he said my wife is asian, i would never intentionally say anything to disrespect her and that community. espn now says the same offensive phrase was used on espn radio here in new york, but the commentator is an employee of madison square garden and being evaluated. the problem is raising awareness. it was lampooned on "saturday night live."

>> he ternd kobe in kobe beef. >> he was like "hey, i ordered fried chicken." >> i thought we were having that kind of fun. >> apologize to the viewers at home, they were insensitive and lin-correct. he has been fired. >> let's turn to msnbc political analyst michael eric dyson, professor at georgetown university and author of the book "can you hear me now"? >> that is an appropriate title, can you hear me now, we have a learning curve that has to get straightened out. sort it out for us, professor. >> it's steep, brother ed. the reality is jeremy lin has taken the nba and world by storm. there is global awareness, international acceptance, there is profound asian pride, and yet it seems to be this stingy refusal among some people to acknowledge that this is a phenomenon all should embrace and some of these ugly stereostipes reassert themselves. they are more vicious because they are unconscious, i don't doubt the people crafting those phrases or who talk about that offensive phrase used by espn,

meant anything harmful but that is the point it's so deeply steeped in our own traditions, that we're unconscious and not aware, which also points to the fact we need to have more people of color not only in front of the camera but behind it as well making decisions. >> the commentator is an employee of madison square garden and being evaluated? what do you make of that? >> i guess that is one way of saying look, because we don't directly have responsibility for him, we cannot fire him, but msg we'll val wait him. what is the evaluation? he made an offensive statement. you can't hide behind personal relationships to defend your public prejudice. the man who put a plunger up the behind of an african was himself dating a black woman. your personal -- doesn't mean

you're not guilty of racial commentary or behavior, they need to be more aggressive. a lot more aggressive and deal with this, suspend him as well, when he returns he will be conscious of what he can and can't say. >> what has the jeremy lin story done for america when it comes to straightening out conversation when it needs to be straightened out, and non-offensive and correct? i mean we have seen social mores change over the year, a level of acceptance change over the years. i think we're going through one of most moments right now and a big wake-up call. your thoughts? >> it is a big wake up call. you put it brilliantly. people say we're being politically correct. one person's political correctness is another person's wounds and assault on their pride. asian pride is enhanced by this. we found an american hero, horatio alger in this young man who took the world by the horns and he's riding the wave of popularity and we need to

examine the kind of vicious bigotry that exists, racial symbolism and racial rhetoric we need to challenge ourselves on. we can't be casual and lazy, we have to be more aggressive. >> professor, when does jeremy lin become a tool of healing? he's throughout to play basketball, he's doing his job, he's doing what is expected of him but does he play a role in america understanding more? >> absolutely he does. whether you intend to or not. the fact he's a young asian man, yao ming was a great hero, this guy was not expected to be what he is, he's a tool of awareness, consciousness, raising our tolerance for those who are other, those who are not the same as, he's a minority within a minority dominated game, he brings attention to this and helps us understand we have to be sensitive to many minorities, not just one. >> michael eric dyson always great to have you with us. appreciate it.