will never understand why they are doing that. that does it for us tonight. now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. have a great night. the democrats won today, but the contraception fight isn't over. alex wagner and chris hayes will join me on the latest. and joe scarborough will join me with advice for republicans. the fight over contraception and whether coverage should be required regardless of an employer's moral or religious beliefs. >> we are debating contraception all over again. >> at the end of the day, i don't think the republicans win. >> senate democrats defeated. >> the senate voted 51-48. >> the debate was intense, personal and at even times came down to gender. most republicans are for this. >> it's about a faith principle. >> democrats think very differently. >> what's to come about protecting the rights of corp.s? >> if you're putting your boss in charge of your health care decisions, something is wrong in the country.

>> the majority of employers are men. >> their conscious is more important than the conscious of women. >> it's absurd. >> what is the impact of republicans waging this fight now? >> you have a potential misstep by mitt romney. >> mitt romney yesterday saying for about an hour that he did not support the amendment. >> i'm not going there. and then reversing course. >> i didn't understand the question. of course i support the amendment. >> it's a classic mitt romney move, is it not? >> he took should be an easy slam dunk and served it to a controversy. >> it does not serve mitt romney well to talk about the issues. >> he doesn't have the common touch. this is why he keeps making all the mistakes. >> democrats are terrified of him. >> if you don't run chris christ christie, romney will be the nominee, and we'll lose. >> we have to find a replacement for this robotic plutocrat who could hold the attention of the can of tuna. today the united states senate

defeated the controversial blunt amendment to allow employers to deny insurance coverage of any medical treatment for any reason, based on any religious or moral objection. but by a surprisingly close vote of 51-48, with retiring senator olympius snow of maine. >> the closeness of the vote shows how high the stakes are for women this year. a republican led senate might pass this bill. a republican president like mitt romney would definitely sign it. senator blunt said on the floor earlier today that this issue is not going away. he may be more correct than he realizes. what we will make sure that women across the country are aware of what the republicans in the senate propose to do. they want to force women to surrender their health decisions to their bosses.

>> rick santorum isn't so sure a president romney would definitely sign it. >> we saw an insight into what's in the gut of governor romney yesterday. when he was asked the question about the blunt amendment. which is about a religious liberty amendment. so not imposing obama care's values on people of faith. not just churches, people of faith. when governor romney was asked that question, his knee jerk reaction was, no, i can't be for that. then after his consultants talked to him and then he came back, i didn't understand the question. maybe he did. maybe he didn't. but if i was asked a question like that. my gut reaction would be always, my gut reaction would be always to stand for the first amendment. you stand for freedom of religion. row stand for the first amendment rights. a lot will tell you what kind of president you will be when you haven't been briefed by your consultants and you're asked what's really going on here.

>> the press would like more clarification from mitt romney, but romney's handlers think he has said quite enough. >> i'm in favor of the blunt amendment. yeah, absolutely. >> joining me now, alex wagner, the host of msnbc's now with alex wagner and chris hayes. the host of "up with chris hayes." mitt romney had a rough time with this one. i want to play a little bit more of the romney setup when he was doing his reversal on this after initially saying of course i'm opposed to that because it makes sense to be opposed to it. and he started doing his rewind. he went on the boston radio show to explain in detail why this question was so confusing. let's listen. >> i didn't understand the

question. of course i support the blunt amendment. i thought testifies talking about a state law to prevent people from getting contraceptions. i thought it was some ohio legislation where employers were prevented from providing contraceptives. and so i talked about contraceptives and so forth. i really misunderstood the question. >> the question he was asked was -- the -- the reporter referred to it as the blunt rubio amendment. blunt being a congressional team campaign for romney. and rubio someone that romney has heard of before. not from ohio. >> this is not a great mystery. we've been talking about the blunt amendment for a while. there's so many puns here. mitt romney has been hit with a blunt instrument, et cetera, et cetera. i thought the reversal was telling. the other half of when romney initially said he wouldn't vote for the blunt amendment. he added an important part of the decision. which is i don't think politicians should get in the way of a husband's decision with his wife or a decision between a

husband and a wife. now there's no confusion there, right? that's a very clear stance. to rick santorum's point. here is someone where you have no idea what he believes. he literally lays out his ideology in one hour and the next tries to reverse it. >> here's where i think santorum is wrong. if you say, hey, when you see him answer a question, unmanaged by his handlers, you see how he's going to be president. no, you don't. the handlers will be sitting in the oval office, if he ever got there, telling him what he thinks. >> that is quite a fair point, actually. i mean, i thought the santorum attack was -- was effective. >> very. >> in terms of who his audience is. extremely effective. i'm just in awe of everybody marching off this cliff together. scott brown is in a heated race in massachusetts. in massachusetts of all places! and he is associating himself with this bill. let's be clear on what this would do. it would functionally gut everything about the affordable care act. right? if you are allowed to exempt

yourself for any moral qualm you have with anything, presumably employers would all the sudden be finding all kinds of new moral objections to anything that cost them any money. >> it would be the new cost control in the obama health care bill. the moral objection clause, in which we just start eliminating every provision of your health care. >> and you thought obesity was a moral sin, you wouldn't have to cover. >> or aids treatment. or aids treatment, right? >> life care. >> there are all kinds. so the broadness -- just even as a piece of crafted legislation that could plausibly become law. it is essentially a backdoor gutting of the entire entirety of the regime of the affordable care act. >> it's been driving republicans crazy, but it is hard to get crazier than rush limbaugh on this subject. let's listen to what rush had to say today about the georgetown law school student who was going to testify at the original hearing on this.

she was barred. then the democrats brought her in for another session. let's listen to what limbaugh said about that. >> the georgetown student who said she's having so much sex she's broke buying contraceptives and wants us to buy them. what would you call someone who wants us to pay for her to have sex? what would you call that woman? you call them a slut, a prostitute. mr. obama, president obama, do you agree with rush limbaugh that 99% of the women in america are sluts? will be the question. >> he really knows how to have a good time on his radio show. alex, the georgetown law school student responded. i would like you to read her response. >> cold read. no woman deserves to be disrespected in this manner. this language is an attack on

all women, and has been used throughout history to silence our voices. the millions of american women who have and will continue to speak out in support of women's health care and access to contraception prove that we will not be silenced. >> now, i want to think about what should we call rush limbaugh, and if we -- we got a graphic that we want to put up here, which is a graphic of rush limbaugh's life and his sex life. which you can now turn around and -- take a look at this draft. rush limbaugh was maried for the very first time in 1997. that ended in 1980. 1987. sorry. then a third wife, '94 to 2001. and he's still married to the fourth wife. so what we have there is a -- presuming -- if we were to presume that rush's hetero sex life began in 1977 and has run to the presence and perhaps

there's a dalience in the blank spots here and there, throughout that entire sex life he has produced exactly zero children. so this is a man who has not only been practicing birth control for well over 30 years, he has perfected it. absolutely perfected it. alex, for this guy to be the guy who is telling women how they should handle themselves with his flawless record, it seems to me, of, i guess flawless contraceptions. >> i would argue it's probably good for the national conversation that there have not be offspring from rush's many unions. i'm with sandra on this. i think this is reprehensible. we can joke about it, but this is absolute a war on women. this is absolutely trying to -- this has con flated the issue of sort of going from the very heated rhetoric around abortion

to the opposite end of the spectrum, which is basic contraception. it is totally counterintuitive to the idea of conservatism and the idea they shouldn't be involved in personal decisions to have the blunt amendment and to have panels of white men talking about women's choice issues. i mean, the fact that we are here as international dialogue is shocking. and the fact that republicans are not only not calling it out, but doubling down and that these measures are passing by a hair, by someone who is retiring is shocking. >> chris? >> i continue to bes a toupded. there's an amazing moment debate last night. -- that's why they booed. they booed the question being asked to him. let's get back to the things they win on. and then they can't helps themselves. it's like a death wish. why do they keep litigating this? and really there's a twitter hash tag use the 19th in

reference to the 19th amendment, which, of course, gave women the vote. and i am really watching this slightly awe struck. i genuinely can't understand the political thinking behind this. they've been so used to, the right, being on the right side of wedge issues if so long -- >> the right side to carve out the voting blocs -- >> politically, politically. >> that they assemble. >> and they would find some fourth grader who got kicked out of their classroom because she wanted to say a prayer. it would be a sympathetic story. they would do a drum beat. and insert the raw numbers. they would have a majority behind them. they've been so successful in doing that for so long. it's been a bedrock of their political strategy, that they cannot bring themselves to understand that they have like wylie coyote off the cliff, and their legs are circling, but they're no longer on solid ground. that's the only explanation. >> you mentioned how this worked in an election like scott brown

is facing many massachusetts. chuck schumer brought it to scott brown in the excellecomme made today. then you have limbaugh, who is the most famous republican in america. there's no senator as famous as he is. when he says something like that, it feeds into every republican candidacy. they carry some limbaugh burden with it. in massachusetts, that's going to be tough. >> i don't understand scott brown's position. i don't think it makes his battle easier. i talk to elder statemen of the party. there's all this retd rik going on. deep downside inside a lot of republicans are hon the couch trying to figure out what this means for the political party. >> alex wagner and chris hayes. "now with alex wagner" airs noontime. i won't look at the prompter. watch. watch. "up with chris hayes" is on saturdays 8:00 to 10:00 and sundays 9:00 to 11:00.

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men, just as they are driving mod ratds out of their caucus. >> that was new york senator chuck schumer today. one republican sounded that same alarm two weeks ago. >> they need to be very careful about how they push forward on this issue. if it stops being about freedom of religion. >> right. >> and starts being about contraception, then republicans will get routed in swing areas. >> joining me now, the host of msnbc's "morning joe" joe scarborough. joe, have they pushed it too far? have they pushed it back freedom of religion into contraception from the voter republican perspective? my wife is very pro-life, who has never voted for a democratic president in her life.

you have her and her friends sitting around breakfast tables, as i heard them a couple weeks ago saying what's happening to our party, that's a real problem. you know, lawrence, i think you'll agree with me. whether you think it's fair or not. republicans can talk about taxes and how taxes will go up if the president is reelected. they can talk about the bailouts. even though they were george bush's bailouts as well. they can talk about the president's health care plan. not exactly popular coast to coast. instead we've had a republican party focused on contraception. a practice that 99% of republican women engage in. republicans in swing states. democrats in swing states. independents in swing states. of course, on state sanctioned vaginal probes and a series of

other issues. like whether somebody is a snob because they think it's a good thing to encourage our children to go to colleges. there are all these distractions, including saying a john kennedy speech made someone want to throw up on their sweatest vest. there are all of these issues that are not only scaring independent voters, but they're scaring die hard republicans into asking, why are you guys focused on side issues that aren't going to help you win this fall? it's been a very bad month for the republican party. >> in 2008, the majority of voters were women. democrats won the women vote, 56% to 43% for the republicans. the republicans know this. they stare at these numbers. you must be talking to some republican who is are quietly in the back room saying what are we doing? how do we get away from this?

>> there's no doubt about it. and there's so many republicans that saw this year as a year that the party can win not only the white house. they can win the senate as well as the house of representatives. you know, lawrence, what is so crazy, if you look at, for instance, the gallup poll that was released today, mitt romney is actually a few points ahead of barack obama. but all that said, it looks like this is a party that is dependent on driving away women voters, independent voters and voters in swing states. again, i'm not hearing this from the do gooder, good government moderate republicans that always drive the base crazy. i'm hearing this from the base. i'm hearing this from people behind closed doors that are usually the fire breathers, that are saying why are we letting this president off the hook? why are we letting harry reid

off the hook? why are we letting nancy pelosi off the hook talking about side issues? again, not only that chase the other side away from us, but our own party away from us rgs and as long as we're talking contraception. whether the blunt amendment or the virginia amendment or alabama amendment. as long as we're talking about that, we have all of our talking heads. we have all of our politicians. we have all of our opinion pages obsessed on an issue that was resolved in 1965. i think that's when griswald was resolved. in memory of davy jones. >> all the monkees. i have a very young audience. >> this is an issue that was resol resolved -- i think republicans should probably get past it and go back to the president's

health care plan. the president's promise to let the bush tax cuts expire. and a lot of other issues that would poll well for the party. >> before you go, i want to get you on the horse race in the republican field. you broke my heart when you said it's over for santorum. it's official position of this show that we want rick santorum to be the nominee because i believe that gives the clearest possible debate you could have between real republican conservatism and the practical governance of president obama. i think obama would win the debate. i want to read you what karl rove said. he doesn't think it's over for santorum. i want to hear you case. rove said michigan was santorum's best shot at delivering a fatal blow to mr. romney, yet mr. santorum couldn't be mr. romney. they will realistically be at an end if he loses the buckeye state. although he could linger for weeks. so you have rove saying it's over if he loses ohio.

you're saying it's over already. >> with all the candidates, and you know this better than me. you know this better than anybody. the past is always prologued. is anybody shocked he's going around saying erratic crazy things when he's mad? no. that's what gingrich has been doing for 30 years. is anybody surprised that rick santorum is picking fights? i mean, he wins iowa. you and i know, when somebody wins iowa and comes out of nowhere, that's when we look closely. are they going to be excited? too excitable? are they going to act like they've been there for in the words of vince lombardi? he goes and starts debating college students on gay marriage, instead of talking about his grandfather, instead of talking about blue collar concerns. instead of talking about bringing the manufacturing base back to america.

perhaps it's because these side issues, as the wall street said in an editorial page, are not side issues at all. maybe the economy, maybe getting americans back to work, maybe true tax reform, maybe true entitlement reform. maybe those are side issues with rick santorum. and like the wall street journal editorial page, i fear they are. he's incapable of running a disciplined campaign. he's incapable of running a disciplined message. even if he wins in ohio, there's no way he can catch up with romney's death storm machine going into tampa. i think this one is over. >> joe scarborough. the hardest working man at msnbc. three hours a day. 6:00 a.m. to 9:00 a.m. five days a week. thank you very much for joining me tonight. >> thank you, lawrence. appreciate it. >> and everyone should tune in tomorrow for special education town hall.

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tuesday, are saying we know he's going to be the nominee, just make this process stop to avoid hurting republicans who campaign. what do you say to those people who say make it stop? >> so he we can nominate another moderate republican. we've done really well when we've nominated the moderate. john mccain, bob dole, re-election of george h. w. bush. jerry ford. all of those folks have done great in the general election. wrong. >> joining me know joe klein and melissa harris perry. thank you both for joining me tonight. joe, your "time" magazine piece this week is entitled the hair fire manifesto, derived from something mitt romney said about lighting his hair on fire. we should also listen to that right now. >> we've seen throughout the campaign if you're willing to say really outrageous things that are accusative and attacking of president obama, that you're going to jump up in

the polls. i'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try to get support. >> melissa, he's burned all of his pair off trying to get support. there's not a hair left on his head. >> he sets out on fire, he puts it out. he sets it on fire. he puts it out. >> and he's pretending he hasn't been accusative of the president on anything. this is crazy. >> he hasn't called him a secret muslim. >> that's right. or a non citizen. that now counts as moderation. >> the greatest attack on the freedom of this country. >> he's a -- arsonist. we learned something really important this week, and it was a first time thing. there's actually something mitt romney won't say or do to get elected. >> which is what? >> call barack obama a secret

muslim. >> we're not giving him credit for that. >> the kind of things that goet gingrich and and santorum have imp implied. it shows limitations of this guy. if this guy is the moderate, why doesn't he have anything to say to moderates. moderates who have gotten elected like bill clinton and george w. bush had messages for the moderates in the center of the spectrum, but hals the other part. bill clinton ran against wel fair as we know it. george w. bush was a compassionate conservative. it turned out to be hollow, but he was trying to be nice. mitt romney has given moderates and independents, people in the middle of the spectrum, nothing. ed koch had a great slogan. he said if you agree with me on 9 out of 12 issues vote with me. if you agree with me on 12 out of 12 issues, see a psychiatrist. and mitt romney has been trying to please, you know, these right

wing crazies all the time. and it has severely damaged the guy. i mean, severely damaged. >> and when you think about the moves that bill clinton made to the center, to that side of the party -- >> the center. >> running electorally. he was doing nit the primaries. people think nixon suggest that had you can kind of ignore the primaries. you have to get started early. >> and you particularly can't ignore them in this kind of media environment. where, you know, we're not talking about going to talk to a quiet room. everybody has got a cell phone. anything you say is going to be available on sound, on television for a long time. you know what i heard when he said i'm not willing to set my hair on fire was not just a language about a moderation in opinion or attitude. it sounded to me almost like he was saying, i don't want this

badly enough to really work extremely hard it it. and i think the sense that mitt romney feels like he sort of deserves to have it this time. that he's the inevitable front-runner is part of what is turning off primary voters. even when they disagree with santorum, they like that he's willing to do nearly anything to push himself to make things difficult for his family, to take a lot of criticism. that the republican party over the years has set the standard as someone who will take the tough stances or do the hard things, even when we disagree with them. that was george w. bush's stay the course narrative. he's not going to win voters with maybe i would like to be president, maybe i wouldn't. >> we have bloggers saying, you know, we want a new candidate. some of them saying ridiculous things like bobby jindal.

but former white house chief of staff, serious republican player is talking about this. let's listen to what he had to say. >> i don't think it's a broken convention, but it could be. i have a perfect candidate for president. his name is jeb bush, but he's not running. >> that is very deliberate mischemi mischi mischief. that's a man who measures every word he says. >> that's right. also jeb bush himself is talking to republicans in dallas last week said i used to think of myself as a conservative but now i don't know because of the negative fear mongering nonsense that these people are trying to sell. >> but this is what the president's strength has been able to do. the reason that the gop is in disarray is because as weak as so many people would like to say president obama is as inincumbent, he was strong enough to keep the jeb bush, the

nikki haley, out of the race. they said my bet is we're not going to put up a nominee who can beat the president. in four years it will be an open seat race. joe biden looks like an easy target. i'll take him on. this is certainly in part about the party. it's as much about the strength of president obama's ability to keep these sort of reasonable candidates out of the race. >> the party is in disarray because the boss of the republican party is rush limbau limbaugh. and you showed earlier the outrageous things that he said today. and i fully believe, and not one republican running for president will have the courage to say, rush, you went too far there. >> a couple years ago, one would try it. within the news cycle, they would retract the anti-rush statement. now they don't say a word. >> give them four years. part of it is you just kind of wait. you see if he destroys himself

in the course of the next four years. >> melissa harris perry airs saturday and sunday mornings. i know exactly when. from 10:00 a.m. to 12:00 noon. i was a little challenged on the msnbc schedule when i was talking about earlier guests' time slots. and read joe klein's piece in "time" magazine. thank you for joining me tonight. coming up, ann coulter is back in the rewrite. she's rewriting herself. sunday night she will help me raise money for a good cause when we appear together for a debate in washington. later, goldie taylor will join me discuss our surprising experiences with andrew breitbart. nsion checks... what we have here is the multi-point inspection. every time a vehicle comes into a ford dealership you'll be presented with one of these. we check the belts, hoses... brakes. tires and the pressures... battery, all your fluids... exhaust system, transmission... we inspect your air filter... it gets done,it gets done quickly and it gets done correctly. the works. oil change,

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when i first met andrew breitbart in los angeles many years ago, we liked each other. he was then working for the drudge report and helping arianna create the huffington post. he was overflowing with energy and he was fun to talk to about the untapped potential of the internet. we didn't discuss politics. we had a long lunch in santa monica without a word of politics. he showed he his first website on the laptop, brimming with the pride of a new father. he was just aggregating headlines back then. he eventually emerged as a public figure. i was surprised by the exstream overstatement that became andrew's trademark. but whenever i would run into him, we were always friendly and almost never discussed politics. the last time i saw andrew was in han this year on the night

before the primary. it's the kind of meeting that only happens on that climactic political weekend in new hampshire. you're walking down the street in manchester. you see someone you know. you fall into conversation as you walk along together. i was headed to a party that would be very unfriendly territory to andrew. but he had nothing to do. and he was always up for a party, so he tagged along. luckily there was a republican or two at the party who welcomed him with bear hugs, and i left long before andrew did. on my way out, i was not surprised toe see andrew seriously engaged with a famous member of what he considered the liberal media conspiracy. andrew had a tact that -- mercilessly over the years and the unbiased careful reporter had been expecting to happily live his life without ever meeting andrew breitbart, and because i brought andrew to a party that no one else would have dared to bring him too, now

report was standing there talking to andrew about news and politics. their opinions could not be more different, but they never raised their voices and they never stopped smiling. the public version of andrew was not the version i knew. i won't miss the public version of andrew. but the next time i'm walking down the street in new hampshire, i will think of him, and i will wish i could run into the andrew breitbart who i knew. joining me now, author of who is afraid of post blackness and crib tor to time. and goldie taylor. contributed to a part of msnbc news. so this news came across this morning of andrew's death. i started looking at twitter. i thought i might say something. then i saw goldie did. and then you did, tourre. doeldie's first tweet. i passionately disagree with

andrew breitbart, but a conversation ensued. we are both better for it. you got a lot of negative reaction to that. >> yeah, well, you know, all in a day's work. i had a, you know, a bad feeling about andrew breitbart for the first moment i heard his name and connection with the shirley sherrod issue, which is where most people know him. before that he was irrelevant to me, i could careless about who he was but we had a conversation that started on twitter. and people watched this. they joined in and watched us come to fist and cuffs. then that moved to conversation conversations. where i think i heard him.

certainly nobody will singing the theme song now that he's gone. but he's 43. and so am i. and the last thing i want is for my five children the day i die to have to deal with people trashing my name before i'm in the ground. when someone dies if they're going to be discussed on the show, it will not be for the purposes. i have a choice, i could not discuss this at all. or i would discuss it this way. this were ways to talk about whitney houston that i would not allow in the show. breitbart attacked me relentlessly, but now that he's gone, it's sad. and you got a lot of negative response.

>> i got a little bit. not what i've gotten on other things that i've said. death is disruptive. for the living. it changes how we feel about those who have died. it's not pip oksy. if people can do things to change how we feel about them, then surely death must be a thing to cause them to react differently about a person. the disagreements that we had, and we had many, are no longer relevant. i don't think people in heaven are sitting there talking about conservative liberalism. they have bigger issues to deal with we did the dennis miller show together about ten years ago when he was a drudge guy. we had a nice conversation. the public person who emerged to say if i'm over the top i will get more and more famous.

i don't know who that person is. and he did aal show via twitter it was supposedly starring me. the idea was dangerous and offensive. i found the whole thing funny, talking about racism no longer matters and we are mentioning racism when there's no longer anything like it. it's a very dangerous idea. and many of his ideas are offensive. i'm not going to argue with his legacy. he is gone. i'm going to remember him as a committed soldier for his side of things. and that's what he was. >> and we all had public fights with him. which is what i care about in this group tonight. he attacked me all the time. i've attacked him a bunch of times in this forum. but really, you know, when we saw each other on the street in manchester. none of that would come up. it wasn't who he was. >> if we -- if we had passed and he were here, he would be

trashing us, but that is not a reason or excuse for us to do that to him. i'm going to decide my level of engagement with him or with anything on my rules and not based on his rules. >> shirley sherrod released a statement which teaches people how to react to this. suffering in the limelight that he shined on her. she said the news of mr. breitbart's death comes as a surprise to me when i was informed of it this morning. my prayers go out to mr. breitbart's family as they cope through this very difficult time. what else is there to say? >> that's grace. that's grace walking. i mean, i am not ashamed to say that i am not long on grace. our friend toure knows when i get on the twitter machine and decide -- >> i'll follow you. >> and i'm fired up, it gets cranked up. i'm sure people won't be happy when i pass this way. but for someone like shirley sherrod, who suffered the way

she did, none of us suffered the way shirley sherrod did under andrew breitbart's rath. for her to come with this grace and say no matter how he lived, i'm going to respect him and his family, that's a standard to which we can all subscribe. if you call yourself a liberal, then compassion ought to be your first name. >> and for me, i got to tell you, i know my kids aren't watching the show tonight. but i can't feed into the flow of information when there is surviving children out there. a whack at people at this point. >> even if he were single and childless, a human being passes, i'm going to react to them differently. he was an extraordinarily controversial and challenging person in many ways. what he added to public discourse was very dangerous. but he's dead now. so now we're going to lay down our swords. >> last word. >> i don't know it's it's dangerous. andrew breitbart said someth